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On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote:
Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
Well some people are collectors which is true for almost any type of item you can buy...
Some people target shoot for sport/fun... and shotgun shooting at clay pigeons is really fun also.
My dad has been in a weekly pistol shooting league since before 99% of tl was born, if not more.
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On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote:
Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing.
The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month.
Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too.
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The thread lives! I just returned from a solid 6 hours at the range. Sighted in my new AR and shot the hell out of it to break it in. I was happily plinking away at 200-300 yard silhouettes for the rest of the day.
After today though, I'm in the market for a new trigger. The standard mil-spec 10+ pound trigger gets rough after a couple hundred rounds. I was noticeably jerking my shots because I couldn't control my pull well.
This will probably be the replacement:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=247530
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On July 09 2011 13:30 susySquark wrote:The thread lives! I just returned from a solid 6 hours at the range. Sighted in my new AR and shot the hell out of it to break it in. I was happily plinking away at 200-300 yard silhouettes for the rest of the day. After today though, I'm in the market for a new trigger. The standard mil-spec 10+ pound trigger gets rough after a couple hundred rounds. I was noticeably jerking my shots because I couldn't control my pull well. This will probably be the replacement: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=247530
10 pound trigger is definitely a little heavy for something as light as the typical AR. I like it on the M-16 A4 though, with the heavier barrel. Horrid on an M4.
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I've got a m1911 airsoft gas pistol :D
![[image loading]](http://www.asgc.co.nz/images/we-049a.jpeg)
use it to shoot at targets in my backyard as well as play a little airsoft. Plan on getting an electric powered airsoft assault rifle soon as 15 rounds is just not enough when playing.
plan to get a real 1911 eventually once i bother to get a gun license, but probably won't get anything beyond that
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On July 09 2011 13:03 OsoVega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote:
Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =) The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing. The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month. Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too.
My only problem is that I operate under the assumption that most people are irresponsible assholes. (pretty true so far) And the more irresponsible assholes who conceal carry, the higher the chance that an altercation will escalate beyond fistcuffs to full on shooting.
I agree that more responsible people having guns is ok (not necessarily a good thing but something I can live with) but I just don't think many people are responsible.
Maybe I'm just a pacifist pussy but I'm downright scared of guns, and luckily I can walk on the streets here without fear of being shot.
I understand that maybe over there you guys are more trigger happy and comfortable about weapons but over here, when a policeman pulls out his gun it's a big fucking deal, especially if there is not a good enough reason.
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=112908&sid=32969369&con_type=3
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
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On July 09 2011 13:49 johanngrunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 13:03 OsoVega wrote:On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote:
Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =) The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing. The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month. Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too. My only problem is that I operate under the assumption that most people are irresponsible assholes. (pretty true so far) And the more irresponsible assholes who conceal carry, the higher the chance that an altercation will escalate beyond fistcuffs to full on shooting. I agree that more responsible people having guns is ok (not necessarily a good thing but something I can live with) but I just don't think many people are responsible. Maybe I'm just a pacifist pussy but I'm downright scared of guns, and luckily I can walk on the streets here without fear of being shot. I understand that maybe over there you guys are more trigger happy and comfortable about weapons but over here, when a policeman pulls out his gun it's a big fucking deal, especially if there is not a good enough reason. http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=112908&sid=32969369&con_type=3But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
Well, one of the popular ones is Cowboy Action Shooting, which is basically dressing up and pretending you're in a bad western, except you actually have to reload, doing the crazy shooting tricks and stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_Action_Shooting
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I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
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On July 09 2011 13:49 johanngrunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 13:03 OsoVega wrote:On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote:
Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =) The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing. The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month. Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too. My only problem is that I operate under the assumption that most people are irresponsible assholes. (pretty true so far) And the more irresponsible assholes who conceal carry, the higher the chance that an altercation will escalate beyond fistcuffs to full on shooting. I agree that more responsible people having guns is ok (not necessarily a good thing but something I can live with) but I just don't think many people are responsible. Maybe I'm just a pacifist pussy but I'm downright scared of guns, and luckily I can walk on the streets here without fear of being shot. I understand that maybe over there you guys are more trigger happy and comfortable about weapons but over here, when a policeman pulls out his gun it's a big fucking deal, especially if there is not a good enough reason. http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=112908&sid=32969369&con_type=3But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
I think all you have to do is look at the example of CCW holders in the United States. Your fear simply doesn't happen in the US where people do conceal guns in public. The irresponsible assholes just aren't the people who go through the effort of getting a license, let alone carrying a gun everyday. The people who do, know what kind of responsibility it is to carry a gun.
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On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote:
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car.
How the hell can you shoot without a gun?
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On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote:
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Swords are safer than guns how?
In fact, a sword takes more training to use safely and responsibly than a gun. Without the range advantage on an intruder. And they're rather hard to use in enclosed spaces.
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On July 09 2011 14:02 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote:
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it. Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car. How the hell can you shoot without a gun?
What? How can you type without being able to read?
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On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote:
Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
There are sports and games for guns, i personally enjoy trap shooting (moreso then other hobbies, or maybe because i limit myself to only trap shooting like 5-8 times a year)
Pistols are fine for the occasional shooting range, though i find it to be shallow in interaction (not like shotgun trap shooting) and dont prefer it.
@OP
Mossberg 590? I envy you, i have a 500 thats a bitch to strip to clean.
Though, op, would you ever be intrested in trying sporting trap shooting than just shotgun home defense? Try it.
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On July 09 2011 14:08 seppolevne wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 14:02 Chargelot wrote:On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote:
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it. Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car. How the hell can you shoot without a gun? What? How can you type without being able to read?
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend
I can read, thank you for your response, good sir.
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On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote:
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Spoken like a true protoss player...
Terrans need guns sadly... =p
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On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote:
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Those are pretty good odds considering it's about a trillion times more likely for your family to be around your guns than random strangers breaking into your house. The fact that you don't plan on owning guns because you think you'll shoot your family is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.
I don't own a gun, and never have, but I would consider it after I buy my own property someday. Responsible adults should own at least one gun in our society. If you think you're too irresponsible to own a gun, I respect that decision, but asserting that other people are also that irresponsible assumes too much.
I suppose should add that I play terran! 
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Soap that video looked awesome! I wish I had a place like that set up nearby.
Also, fuzzy_panda that airsoft 1911 is so boss! very jealous of it. I -had- an airsoft model of a beretta (love their guns since they are from my city, go baltimore!) but my dad, being the mechanics nerd he is, took it apart to play with all the peices boldly claiming he could put it back together.
when he put it back together, he had peices left over he didn't remember what to do with, which he then lost...
If you like really beautiful guns, a google image search of beretta will really make you want to check on your savings account haha.
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Careful guys, stay away from retarded arguments!
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
Skeet shooting, trap shooting, sporting clays & tactical courses (pop up targets and such) Just to name a few.
It's pretty hard to find a tactical shooting course and before you can use them(in most places) you have to take a safety course most likely offered by the host gun club. However, it's quite simple to make your own if you have a good bit of safe land in the country.
Skeet and trap shooting are very common though. Essentially there's a machine that throws clay discs into the air and you have to shoot them with a shotgun. There are different variations but that's the basic idea.
There are a lot of other things you can do as well if you have a good property to shoot on. Shooting water filled bottles and baloons etc
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I have to say I'm impressed there has been so few bans in this thread.  This is a typical topic where people tend to spurt out all kinds of agitated shit.
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