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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction. User was warned for this post | ||
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
On July 09 2011 09:24 Demand2k wrote: I find the notion of owning a gun originally designed to kill human beings absolutely ridicilous. Why exactly does "having heard it all before" entitle you to immunity from criticism on the subject? OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada. In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction. But those are boring  lol | ||
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Mczeppo
Germany319 Posts
Yeah lol i thought exactly the same... ^^' | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 09 2011 09:24 Demand2k wrote: I find the notion of owning a gun originally designed to kill human beings absolutely ridicilous. Why exactly does "having heard it all before" entitle you to immunity from criticism on the subject? OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada. In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction. Tactical type shooting events are recreational, and you can hunt with any firearm. What's wrong, exactly, with hunting with a better balanced, lighter rifle made out of composites, instead of something made out of wood? | ||
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EGfanBoi!DemuFtw
United Kingdom46 Posts
My friend has a big old trigun poster... but he feels anything else would be violent. does that count? - Hide Spoiler - My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off. HAHA WHAT A MORON User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
I don't plan on being a victim. Owning and training with a Mossberg 590 is what I do to make sure I won't be a victim even in a worst case scenario. Yes, it's unlikely, but it does happen. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On July 09 2011 09:20 OsoVega wrote: You can own a grenade launcher. I think they're marketed as flare guns. I'm not sure about extra restrictions on the launcher. Explosive ammo is not available, though, so it's pretty much a non issue. I'm not sure if they are able to fire military M203 rounds but they look the same and can fire flares. They're mostly just show pieces. Depends on the state. The Federal Government doesn't have a problem with it, but you have to register every individual grenade as a "destructive device", store the grenades in line with the federal regulations on explosives, and have the proper license. And pay a $200 tax on each round. | ||
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sMi.EternaL
United States162 Posts
In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction. This is where you're woefully misinformed! Hunting rifles are generally of a higher calibre, heavier round and higher grain load than virtually anything the military uses. Their entire purpose is to kill big game. IE: Deer around 180-200lbs, Bear 200-500lbs+, Elk/Moose 500lbs++ etc For example: The M16 which fires a .223/5.56 round is essentially (*disclaimer: for ease of explanation!) the same as a .22 rifle. It was designed to wound enemy combatants because a wounded enemy takes 2-3 people out of the fight (the other 2 enemies have to care for their downed comrade as well as use up precious resources like water/food/medical stuff) as opposed to just 1 dead enemy. OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada. In Switzerland virtually every single home has a firearm and they have the lowest crime rate in the world. Very peaceful country and yet everyone has weapons, would you call them paranoid? (This is just a very broad statement/example, I realize there's much more to it than that :p) Also, the OP calls it a "home defense" shotgun but it's still just a shotgun not unlike the thousands of other shotguns people use to hunt with. The only difference is that it's his personal choice of weapon in the event that he ever needed it for self defense. I have my sidearm next to my bed, it's just a pistol that I love to shoot at the range but it's what I'm most comfortable with so you could call it my "home defense" weapon. Your home defense weapon could be a baseball bat or a can of spray paint. You're just reading far too much into it! Going to the firing range is really a very fun hobby. It teaches you much in the areas of self control and patience. Anyone can fire a weapon, but to get those perfect 1inch groupings at 500yds takes a lot of practice and training. It's not different than say, a pitcher who spends a few hours throwing a baseball at a tire learning a curve ball or slider. Everyone has their own hobbies that make them happy and fills their day. Shooting just happens to be one of mine as well as the other folks that have posted so far. Along with the list of weapons I posted earlier I forgot to add that the one sidearm I've always wanted and am hoping to someday own is a Wilson Combat 1911 Tactical Elite :D They run a minimum of ~3500$ but they're absolutely beautiful and they fire as smooth as glass. Someday...  | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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sMi.EternaL
United States162 Posts
On July 09 2011 10:08 Soap wrote: I'd much rather have a shotgun for home defense, handguns can be pretty dicey in close quarters because of their lesser stopping power. This is another common misconception. It's completely true that a large number of handguns don't possess any stopping power but this is due to the calibre of the weapon, not because it's a handgun. The most common calibre (9mm) is jokingly called a peashooter by military and law enforcement alike. The reason being it was also designed as a wounding round and is easier to carry a higher number of rounds since they're obviously smaller/lighter. Their popularity stems from their being so common/cheap and the capacity to deliver a higher count of rounds-down-range-accurately due to less recoil. However, if you hit a combatant at close range with a .45 calibre round.... He won't like the results. If you hit a leg that leg will go out from under him, an arm will become completely useless and center mass will knock him on his ass. (Fun rhyme from training.) The drawbacks (for people not properly trained or familiar with their weapon) is that a .45 will deliver a higher "kick"/recoil and make subsequent shots less accurate. This is easily fixed and 99% negated with proper training and practice. In the end all rounds are subject to different factors negating their effect. A 500lb behemoth of a man on bukoo amounts of drugs probably won't feel anything less than a shotgun slug so... take it for what it's worth. Shotguns obviously DO have immense stopping power but they're also unwieldy and sometimes hard to maneuver in tight spaces (hallways, going around corners, doorways etc) they also present a much larger target for your assailant to see, identify and then possibly wrestle away from you or get in too close for you to effect a shot. This can happen with any weapon but a sidearm is much less likely as he's never ever too close and with proper weapon control he won't have a chance to wrestle your weapon away. I thought assault rifles were illegal to own in Canada...Going to do some research now! I've always wanted to own an AR-15 In the US at least, the AR-15 is not considered an assault rifle. HOWEVER, it CAN be modded and/or turned into an assault rifle. But, you can't (easily) legally purchase an AR-15 that is considered an assault rifle. There are a few general rules that make an assault rifle but the biggest point is this: - Has to be capable of multi-round firing with a single trigger pull (IE: burst fire, fully automatic) AR-15s are Semi-Automatic by default, 1 round per 1 trigger pull EDIT: Just went and looked since I have no idea what Canada laws are but here's what I found: The Government of Canada classifies the AR-15 (and its variants) as a restricted firearm. For anyone wanting to lawfully own an AR-15, they must first pass a "Canadian Non-Restricted Firearms Safety Test", and then a "Canadian Restricted Firearms Test". | ||
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Zug
12 Posts
The NATO rounds 9mm and 5.56x45 mm were NOT designed to maim or whatnot. A .45 will NOT knock you off your ass. A .223 (English unit designation for 5.56 mm; though there are some pressure differences associated with these) is pretty similar to a .22... you know except for the 2,000 fps. The NFA act of 1934 allows the possession of class 3 weapons such as machine guns and grenade launchers (assuming they were registered before the 1986 ban), as well as such things as suppressors. If there are individuals here who are truly interested in learning more about firearms, you should consider visiting the many firearm enthusiast boards such as www.ar15.com or www.thefiringline.com. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On July 09 2011 10:51 Zug wrote: I love how much mis-information always gets spread in firearm discussions on gaming websites. Even people who should know better, like the above poster Eternal, perpetuate this shit. The NATO rounds 9mm and 5.56x45 mm were NOT designed to maim or whatnot. A .45 will NOT knock you off your ass. A .223 (English unit designation for 5.56 mm; though there are some pressure differences associated with these) is pretty similar to a .22... you know except for the 2,000 fps. The NFA act of 1934 allows the possession of class 3 weapons such as machine guns and grenade launchers (assuming they were registered before the 1986 ban), as well as such things as suppressors. If there are individuals here who are truly interested in learning more about firearms, you should consider visiting the many firearm enthusiast boards such as www.ar15.com or www.thefiringline.com. I think it's fair to say that a .45 will knock you on your ass. No, it won't physically knock you over but unlike the 9mm, it will almost always drop you with one shot to the torso or legs. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
But there's nothing wrong with using a handgun if one feels it suits him better, I merely stated my opinion to address those "wtf a shotgun" posts. | ||
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Zug
12 Posts
As far as terminal ballistics go, most people I've met judge ammunition by two criterion: penetration depth in ballistic gelatin and bullet expansion. That is to say you want the bullet to go deep enough in human tissue to strike vitals and if possible you want the round to expand as much as possible to increase the likely hood of harming vitals. One foot of penetration in ballistic gelatin is the threshold many use. Quality 9mm or .45 cal ammunition will both attain this depth. Furthermore a .45 is only 0.07 inches bigger in diameter to start with and this difference doesn't change much after expansion (say 0.78 inches versus 0.86 inches after expansion). Now I'm not a real authority. There's likely more that goes into terminal ballistics such as the size of the temporary wound channel and so on. I don't have sufficient knowledge to comment on that. At the end of the day, if your caliber meets minimum criteria (which both do) then what will truly matter is shot placement. Edit: Soap, I wasn't really ragging on you. I apologize if it seemed that way. Shotguns most certainly do make good home defense weapons. If ever possible, I'd prefer to defend myself with a long gun over a pistol. You know, on that note an AR might not be a bad home defense gun. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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ratMortar
Canada282 Posts
First guns my dad bought were a remington 870 pump-action shotgun and a 710 30.06 Hunting rifle. I've never fired the 710 but I really liked skeet shooting with the pump action. Shortly after, he bough a Yugoslavian Simonov 7.62 for the 1950s. I really liked it cause it had the look of a real war rifle; even had a fuck flip open bayonnet. He bought this one from Marstar.com. At this point my brother bought a VZ-58, which is a really shitty replica of the AK-47. Doesn't feel like it at all and has a lot of problems but it's the one I've shot the most on the range since it's more accurate than the Simonov. When my dad started Duck hunting he found the 870 Remington to slow to pump so he bought himself a Baikal Semi-automatic shotgun. I don't know the exact model but it's pretty slick. After that he wanted to buy a Browning HP handgun but they were a little expensive so he bough a shitty chinese replica off Marstar again. I honestly hate this gun. They did such a shitty job manufacturing it that it hurts your hands cause of all the rough edges on it. Unfortunately it's the only handgun he owns, and being Canadian means it's not worth buying more than 1 handgun. Next, it wa my dad's 50th birthday so me and my brother bought him a little .22 Ruger. That fucking thing is so damn accurate. It's probably the berst gun in terms of affordability to quality ratio. The Ruger 10/22 is damn fine nice. My dad later went deer hunting and fired the Remington 710 a few times and found that at the range he needed, it was a bit difficult. (The land he bought was an open field of a few kilometers so deer in the distance was so hard to hit). He decided to by himself something bigger and this is where the .338 comes in. Military green with a bipod and muzzle break, the Lapua .338 Police is a heavy weapon to carry and it makes a shitload of noise. But in terms of range and accuracy it's one of the top ammunition in the world. Only downside is the cost of bullets which is why he bought all the necesary gear to reload shells himself. the scope by itself on this gun was 1200$ plus the cost of the rifle easily made this the most expensive one of his collection. Lastly, we heard that a guy in montreal was moving back to France so he was selling all his guns. When my dad heard one of them was a double barrel Browning, he went to pay the guy a visit and I went with him. This guy is selling a 1200$ shotgun for 400$ and he's including a lambs wool carrying bag which is actually worth more than 400$. But my dad at this point doesn't want to spend money on another gun so be makes an offer for 300$. It felt so wrong at the time but the guy said yes so that was one more gun added to our locker. Sorry I don't know all the models of guns. I don't shoot most of them; only the ones with cheaper bullets. As for buying one for myself, i have my license but the only thing I would really consider buying is an M-14 and then buying all the composite material and modifying it (I fucking love that special forces modifactions for that gun). But this would cost me anywhere between 1400$ to 3000$ and I just can't spend that much right now on a gun I'll only use at the range. Maybe if I see someone selling one for cheap... Cool thread OsoVega, you got me all nostalgic. On July 09 2011 11:30 hellbound wrote: So jealous of you people, living in a disarmed community is crap Almost happened here, thank God for Conservatives. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc. How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun. Thanks =) | ||
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