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On July 05 2011 23:36 yosisoy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:18 Grettin wrote:On July 05 2011 23:16 yosisoy wrote:
This condition is hilarious. Can I make up a condition where I kill people and forget about it? And then have my friends and family confirm that I indeed do that often?
And yes, this situation is retarded. Do you understand that this is real condition? No one made up nothing. jesus christ how people can be stupid. My made-up condition could be real too. Would it be cool with you if he murdered her in his sleep due to a condition? You are responsible for your actions! Even if you are asleep! If you do things in your sleep that harm others you are a danger to society and anyone around you should be notified of your condition. Also, that should be no one made up anything.
This has actually happened, he went scot free for the same reason.
People can do a lot of crazy shit in their sleep you know?
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On July 05 2011 22:40 Asrathiel wrote:
If he knew he'd done that regulary before, WHY THE FUCK did he let her share his bed? If she was sick and it was cooler, surely he could have swapped beds...
This. The guy clearly planned this. Why didn't the jury realize this?
By the way, I'm sick of various authorities not recognizing clear-cut cases such as this and using sex offender charges as political weapons or statistics as basis for pork barrel projects. Especially those wankers who compiled a list of "sex offenders", most of whom were 16 or 17 year olds whose only sin was to have sex with partners 1 year younger.
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a) If a 16 year old girl I didn't fully trust was 'ill' and needed to sleep in my room because it's 'cooler', I'd gladly sleep in the 'warmer' room. I don't need to have sexsomniac or read about that crap on Wikipedia to know that's fucking common sense.
b) Age of consent? Why is that even being discussed? You're forgetting the last word in that phrase: "consent". There was NO consent whatsoever.
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On July 05 2011 23:26 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 23:22 ComaDose wrote:
My girlfriend will be so glad to learn this is a real condition.
Who else was home?
Why was this 16yo girl staying with them
and why was she comfortable enough to go crawl into this mans bed?
How does the wife feel about this unconscious adultery?
Where is the rest of this story?
Most importantly, why didn't she stop him? All very good questions, indeed. Assuming he was indeed asleep...why the hell would a 16 year old crawl into his bed? I mean, it's not like with 4 year olds who can't sleep and wanna be with someone??? a) if she knows him well enough, then why didn't she know about the condition? b) if she doesn't know him well enough, what on earth is she doing in his bed then? Everything about this is just weird.
Unusual, for sure, but I doubt there's anything weird about the situation. She probably knew him to be totally normal and decent man, i.e. a person who does not rape other people. It might be unusual, but is it really such a feat to sleep in a bed (which was probably large as he has a wife) with another person in it?
The story is interesting for sure, but people are sometimes blessed with some privacy, and the whole story will probably never be revealed to the public. But I think people are assuming too much about the events. Neither of the stories tell anything about what happened after she woke up, so question like "why didn't she stop him" is already assuming things. Maybe he was spooning her, and she just ran off as soon as she woke up. Or if the sex indeed lasted till the end, maybe from her perspective, the two choices she saw were "get raped" and "get raped and beat up".
And can you really imagine a situation where 41 year old man says to a teen girl "oh btw, I have sex with people while sleeping" or anyone else for that matter "you know uncle Stephen, he fucks people in his sleep". At least I personally don't know much about my friends' and family's sex habbits.
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fully grown 16 year old girl cant disengage intercourse with a sleeping man? :O
the logistics of such an event are baffling.. gotta be a pretty specific set of angles to even... bizarre case
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I dont see a problem with this. If he was not the one to tell her to sleep in his bed he obviously had no intent of this happening. It is not really careless to assume that noone will go to sleep in your bed after you have fallen asleep. Poor girl though, I really hope she does not get to hurt by this.
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What I can't help but wonder is how the fuck you rape someone in your sleep. It's not exactly the easiest thing to get your dick into a girls vag unless shes already wet and presenting it to you. If she had any clothing on how is he going to do this in his sleep? Why can't she just wake him up?
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I 'suffer' from that sometimes.
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If the girl didn't give consent, he must be guilty of at least a lesser charge, even if he has this disorder.
The facts behind the situation are strange at best though....
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On July 06 2011 00:33 Wr3k wrote:
What I can't help but wonder is how the fuck you rape someone in your sleep. It's not exactly the easiest thing to get your dick into a girls vag unless shes already wet and presenting it to you. If she had any clothing on how is he going to do this in his sleep? Why can't she just wake him up?
Maybe he just Groped/Dryhumped/poked her?
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On July 06 2011 00:33 Wr3k wrote:
What I can't help but wonder is how the fuck you rape someone in your sleep. It's not exactly the easiest thing to get your dick into a girls vag unless shes already wet and presenting it to you. If she had any clothing on how is he going to do this in his sleep? Why can't she just wake him up?
We're not talking about lying flat unconscious sleep. You can be in a state of sleep with your eyes open and your muscles working. I am a terrible liar when asleep, I can be woken, hold long conversations about how I'll get up in just a minute, make promises, agree to things to do later that day, argue etc and have zero recollection of it later. You just get used to it and tell people to ignore you when you're in that state and leave a note for when you wake if they need you to do something.
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Oh not rape at all, just another baller version of surprise sex. 
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The only reason you'd think this is a made up condition is because you've never shared a bed with someone for an extended period of time. It's pretty easy to wake up in the middle of having sex, or, more often, to be awake but in a completely unaware mental state. It's not hard to imagine someone who is completely unaware through the whole thing.
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On July 06 2011 00:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 00:33 Wr3k wrote:
What I can't help but wonder is how the fuck you rape someone in your sleep. It's not exactly the easiest thing to get your dick into a girls vag unless shes already wet and presenting it to you. If she had any clothing on how is he going to do this in his sleep? Why can't she just wake him up? We're not talking about lying flat unconscious sleep. You can be in a state of sleep with your eyes open and your muscles working. I am a terrible liar when asleep, I can be woken, hold long conversations about how I'll get up in just a minute, make promises, agree to things to do later that day, argue etc and have zero recollection of it later. You just get used to it and tell people to ignore you when you're in that state and leave a note for when you wake if they need you to do something.
Once I walked (probably 20 minutes on foot) to the shops when I was like 5-6 (so I have no memory of this) and neighbours found me and took me home. I did a lot of crazy stuff.
I am glad however I don't walk around my street raping people....that I know of...
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This exact situation was raised in the book "Invisible Man." I'm of the opinion that you can't really be responsible for a crime you can't remember committing. How effective can a punishment be for a crime you can't remember? It's not exactly going to deter you from doing it again, since you did it unconsciously.
That being said, there are some cases where you would be responsible... like if the unconscious crime was a result of your own actions (drinking for instance). But as for a crime committed because you went to bed? I'd say the worst you could accuse the person of is negligence.
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Wow, this is just...wow. Half of me thinks this is super pro. I mean:
JUDGE: So, you raeped a 16 year old. What do you have to say for yourself?
Mr. Davies: SEXOMNIA!
JUDGE: Oh, ok.
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Profit!!!
On the other hand...the conclusion to the South Park episode NAMBLA comes to mind. "Dude, they have SEX with CHILDREN."
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On July 05 2011 23:13 Fenrax wrote:
To me this is a compeltely wrong judgement. Why would he even allow a young girl to stay overnight at his house if he knows about his problem? Why didn't he tell her to not come even remotely close to him?
And on top of that why is he a free man with his condition? If I start running around beating people up while asleep you better put me in a straight jacket and lock me up until my problem is solved. And what if from now on every rapist just claims that he was asleep? He could even make her a tea and call her a dirty bitch so this isn't that far fetched.
This was rape and he has to be punished for it.
from the information given, it seems that he was recently ( as in during the court hearing) declared a sexsomniac, whether or not he knew is not known.
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On July 06 2011 00:29 Hypemeup wrote:
I dont see a problem with this. If he was not the one to tell her to sleep in his bed he obviously had no intent of this happening. It is not really careless to assume that noone will go to sleep in your bed after you have fallen asleep. Poor girl though, I really hope she does not get to hurt by this.
This.
I don't see why everyone is looking for someone to blame whenever something bad happends. We can't know for sure that whoever invited the girl into this fellas bed knew about his condition either. A sad story for everyone involved.
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I dont buy this. I "suffer" from this :D and my wife just shoves me off the bed and says get the hell off.(she is 115 lbs). When your sleeping its not hard to get tossed. There is more to the story then told
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