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Well there was a very famous case back in 2005 i think it was, Where a guy who was getting wasted at a party had very little sleep the night before, He woke up having sex with a girl at the party, she reported to the police that it was as if she had woken the man up when she was trying to get him off her, the man later turned himself into police,
His life was obviously ruined people calling him a rapeist even though it was well documented that he had sexsomnia , 2 of his X girlfriends appeard in court if i recall correctly and gave evidence that he used to have sex with them and not remember the next day
Because the women had said "it was as if i woke him up" the man was later cleared.
My oppinion on the story : As far as i am aware some newspapers in england reported that he went down and made a cup of tea, then came up and had sex with her again, that to me is the only sketchy part but then again i have a cousin who sleep-eats all the time, and i know people who sleepwalk heavy so..
Once again a jury of our peers hopefully could make better sense of it then i could.
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On July 05 2011 22:36 Rarak wrote:
Ahh isnt it a bit convenient that a sexominiac invited a 16 year old girl into his bed? Rediculous
good spelling on ridiculous, i don't think he invited her as in the op it says she was told to sleep there cause it was cooler + it also says that he did not know she was there due to him being asleep when she came in
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This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in the last couple of weeks. This is just retarded, it's still rape? Isn't it?
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On July 05 2011 22:46 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:44 Warble wrote:On July 05 2011 22:40 Provocateur wrote:
If you have sexsomnia maybe you shouldn't sleep in the same bed as a 16-year-old girl? An adult like him should know better. The article says he was already asleep in the bed, so it sounds like someone else told her to sleep there. They would have found him guilty if he was the one who had told her to sleep in his bed. I don't know who told her to sleep there. I read several articles about this and none described the night thoroughly. I also totally ninja edited provocateur and rarak by putting the "he didn't know she was there" thing in after the first reply. Was my mistake.
Perhaps you ninja'd them, but it also says so in the first article. Since the article is very short, I don't see why people would reply condemning a man without gathering more information.
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If he knew he suffered from "sexomania" then why did he invite the girl to sleep in his bed? IMO, this is total bullshit and this guy should be locked up.
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United States43365 Posts
If he has no control over it then he's not to blame but he's still a risk to the public. He is responsible for taking appropriate steps to prevent this. However if someone else put the girl in his bed I find it difficult to find fault with him. Perhaps put a sign on his door.
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On July 05 2011 22:52 vijeze wrote:
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in the last couple of weeks. This is just retarded, it's still rape? Isn't it?
Not really, it is a true thing that happens in england, some people are very bad sexsomniacs, and others will just roll over and go back to sleep, i have watched 2 documentarys on the matter and i can assure you this is a very real problem, I really dont think he could be held accountable for his actions if indeed he did not know the girl was there.
Just imagin waking up the next day and being told you are a rapeist when you were sober the night before went to sleep normal and then you woke up being a rapeist not really fair id say.
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On July 05 2011 22:51 teekesselchen wrote:
It's the major problem of all jurisdisdiction. Nobody can know what happened for sure, often enough not even victims and witnesses (beeing neutral, even towards oneself, can be an almost impossible, some would say always impossible, thing).
I think clearing the charges is, in general, the best way to go, even though it can be very cruel.
"I'ld rather let free a hundred criminals than punishing a single innocent" - I don't know where this quote comes from, but I always agreed with it.
The lack of witnesses is probably why nowadays rape cases don't need witnesses. So long as the act is confirmed (via admission or testing), if the alleged victim says it was not consensual and their testimony is found to be credible, it will generally result in a conviction.
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What's funnier is the first page full of "he shouldn't have invited her over!"
People are just reading the headline after all.
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Everything else aside, the whole idea of telling a 16-year-old girl to go "share the bed" of a 43-year-old man because his room is cooler is incredibly inappropriate, sexsomniac or not. (I can't believe I'm the first one to say this.)
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On July 05 2011 22:55 KwarK wrote:
If he has no control over it then he's not to blame but he's still a risk to the public. He is responsible for taking appropriate steps to prevent this. However if someone else put the girl in his bed I find it difficult to find fault with him. Perhaps put a sign on his door.
Oh god, what would that sign read? "Enter at own risk, we are not responsible for your virginity!"
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That's a pretty unfortunate condition to have.
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>Hear about this on radio
>See thread about it on TL
>Post kewl storie about it.
And ya, pretty crazy... the guy on the radio said any guy could totally use this as an excuse for ANYONE.... whether it works or not, still got a good shot (according to him)
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On July 05 2011 22:55 KwarK wrote:
If he has no control over it then he's not to blame but he's still a risk to the public. He is responsible for taking appropriate steps to prevent this. However if someone else put the girl in his bed I find it difficult to find fault with him. Perhaps put a sign on his door.
LOL put a sign on his door... I hope that at least they require him to get help after court. Poor girl  I wonder if she tried to wake him up during.. or is it hard to wake someone up with sexsomnia? MAAAAAAAN this is just fucked all around.
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I feel terrible for the girl- whoever told her to sleep in the same bed as this guy was an idiot.
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At the end of the day, he still forcibly had sex with an unwilling 16 year old girl, correct?
Sure it sucks for him, but don't forget the victim.
I just want to know who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to tell this underaged girl to go share a bed with a 43 year old man WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS CONDITION.
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Fenrax
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To me this is a compeltely wrong judgement. Why would he even allow a young girl to stay overnight at his house if he knows about his problem? Why didn't he tell her to not come even remotely close to him?
And on top of that why is he a free man with his condition? If I start running around beating people up while asleep you better put me in a straight jacket and lock me up until my problem is solved. And what if from now on every rapist just claims that he was asleep? He could even make her a tea and call her a dirty bitch so this isn't that far fetched.
This was rape and he has to be punished for it.
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wow rapists all across the world must be so pissed they didnt think of this. no wait seriously i just bang whatevers in my bed. no i dont wake up if they scream. how do i get there pants off? cant remember. you are free to go sir. WINNING.
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On July 05 2011 22:57 Warble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 22:51 teekesselchen wrote:
It's the major problem of all jurisdisdiction. Nobody can know what happened for sure, often enough not even victims and witnesses (beeing neutral, even towards oneself, can be an almost impossible, some would say always impossible, thing).
I think clearing the charges is, in general, the best way to go, even though it can be very cruel.
"I'ld rather let free a hundred criminals than punishing a single innocent" - I don't know where this quote comes from, but I always agreed with it. The lack of witnesses is probably why nowadays rape cases don't need witnesses. So long as the act is confirmed (via admission or testing), if the alleged victim says it was not consensual and their testimony is found to be credible, it will generally result in a conviction. Could you link to a source? It's not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to read more about that. The idea that a single person's word against another's is enough for conviction is deeply disturbing to me.
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So if he knew of his sexsomnia problems because of his experiences with his wife... why would he still have the girl sleep on his bed?
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