EPTDon't get me wrong, our version has issues too, because some saving money also isn't always the best course of action and the system isn't rich enough to afford the best medicine for everyone, but it's at least getting somewhat better.
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Don't get me wrong, our version has issues too, because some saving money also isn't always the best course of action and the system isn't rich enough to afford the best medicine for everyone, but it's at least getting somewhat better. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On July 01 2017 02:14 xM(Z wrote: there is a case to be made here for some plants (garlic and candida as an ex: it kills more strains than any antibiotic, tested and approved by science) but other than that, where's Jesus?; i want someone to touch my sickness away. Afaik you need to ask the king of england to do that. (But i think it mostly works if your have scrofula) I do not know if the queen is also capable of curing you with a touch. But the damn arrogant elitist monarchs stopped curing the people in the 19th century. Egoistic pricks. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Many drugs come from plants. But also, micro organisms. I wonder which has the most to offer though. I know Streptomyces genus is the most abundant donor of molecules for antibiotics, but I don't know if there is a raw pro- versus eukaryota number. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22664 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Maybe there are hard limits on what is possible in this universe and we should just put c at infinity instead of ~300000 km/s Or just put 300000 km/s = infinity. Can you do that in maths? Put a number = to infinity? Or is that just dumb?  | ||
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Buckyman
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 03 2017 00:01 Ghostcom wrote: Close to infinity relative to what? It was a thought experiment I had. Is halfway through infinity closer to infinity than any other random value? It can't be, since anything less than infinity is infinity away from becoming infinity. Which is weird, but at the same time, made me wonder whats the closest you can ever get to infinity. Hence the question. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
infinity is not a number, it's an abstraction. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On July 03 2017 00:53 Thieving Magpie wrote: It was a thought experiment I had. Is halfway through infinity closer to infinity than any other random value? It can't be, since anything less than infinity is infinity away from becoming infinity. Which is weird, but at the same time, made me wonder whats the closest you can ever get to infinity. Hence the question. Infinity is really weird. I would suggest going to an introductory analysis class to get a better understanding about how weird infinity is. A fun example is the "infinite hotel". A hotel has infinite amounts of rooms, all of which are full. Another guest arrives. What does the guy at the counter do? + Show Spoiler + He has everyone move to the room which has the next number. So the guy in room one goes to room two, the guy in room two goes to room three, etc... The new guy then moves into room number one, which is empty. Ok, ok, but what if an infinite amount of people appear on the doorstep? + Show Spoiler + Still no problem. Just have everyone move to the room with double their number. One goes to two, two goes to four, etc... everyone still has a room, and all the rooms with uneven numbers are free, so you can fit infinite people in there easily. But wait, there is more. Because infinity isn't equal to infinity. Sometimes it is, but there are infinities that are larger than others. Namely, there are infinities where you can count all of the thing in them, and there are those that you can't count. If you are interested in this, take a look at cantors diagonal arguments, they are really fun, and not that hard. This is the difference between the amount of rational numbers and the amount of reals. There are countably infinite amounts of rational numbers, but there are uncountably infinite reals. So, one could say that there are infinitely more reals than there are rationals. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 03 2017 01:34 Simberto wrote: Infinity is really weird. I would suggest going to an introductory analysis class to get a better understanding about how weird infinity is. A fun example is the "infinite hotel". A hotel has infinite amounts of rooms, all of which are full. Another guest arrives. What does the guy at the counter do? + Show Spoiler + He has everyone move to the room which has the next number. So the guy in room one goes to room two, the guy in room two goes to room three, etc... The new guy then moves into room number one, which is empty. Ok, ok, but what if an infinite amount of people appear on the doorstep? + Show Spoiler + Still no problem. Just have everyone move to the room with double their number. One goes to two, two goes to four, etc... everyone still has a room, and all the rooms with uneven numbers are free, so you can fit infinite people in there easily. But wait, there is more. Because infinity isn't equal to infinity. Sometimes it is, but there are infinities that are larger than others. Namely, there are infinities where you can count all of the thing in them, and there are those that you can't count. If you are interested in this, take a look at cantors diagonal arguments, they are really fun, and not that hard. This is the difference between the amount of rational numbers and the amount of reals. There are countably infinite amounts of rational numbers, but there are uncountably infinite reals. So, one could say that there are infinitely more reals than there are rationals. These are all things I am aware of. I've read and watched vods on all these topics. The reason for my question is not from my lack of knowing anything about infinity, but the sheer scale of it. I understand most people would rather pretend that it isn't a real thing, treating it more like a theism than an actualization. But if I am to believe that infinity is real and not simply mathematician's version of "And because Jesus" that Christians always use, step one would have to be getting a better idea of what to actually think about when thinking about infinity. The idea that 1 watermelon is as close to infinity melons as infinity minus 1 melons is amazing and scary at the same time. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On July 03 2017 04:07 Thieving Magpie wrote: These are all things I am aware of. I've read and watched vods on all these topics. The reason for my question is not from my lack of knowing anything about infinity, but the sheer scale of it. I understand most people would rather pretend that it isn't a real thing, treating it more like a theism than an actualization. But if I am to believe that infinity is real and not simply mathematician's version of "And because Jesus" that Christians always use, step one would have to be getting a better idea of what to actually think about when thinking about infinity. The idea that 1 watermelon is as close to infinity melons as infinity minus 1 melons is amazing and scary at the same time. Which part of you can't do algebra with infinity did you not get. infinity - 1 is meaningless. It's simply infinity. So, no. "infinity - 1" is not just as close to infinity as 1. You may have watched youtubes, but you clearly didn't understand them if that was your take away message... | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
The reason it's confusing is because inf > inf + 1, which isn't a thing because you can't +- numbers with inf. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 02 2017 23:20 Thieving Magpie wrote: What's the closest you can get to infinity? Is it even possible to get close to infinity? What is the closest you can get to any mathematical concept? It's like asking how close one can get to a Lorentz group. It's not a question that makes sense. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
now there's a concept | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On July 03 2017 04:07 Thieving Magpie wrote: These are all things I am aware of. I've read and watched vods on all these topics. The reason for my question is not from my lack of knowing anything about infinity, but the sheer scale of it. I understand most people would rather pretend that it isn't a real thing, treating it more like a theism than an actualization. But if I am to believe that infinity is real and not simply mathematician's version of "And because Jesus" that Christians always use, step one would have to be getting a better idea of what to actually think about when thinking about infinity. The idea that 1 watermelon is as close to infinity melons as infinity minus 1 melons is amazing and scary at the same time. If you grasp these concept you'd be able to answer your own question. While you can extend arithmetics to include infinities (it comes at a cost), the most intuitive way is probably too think of numbers not as abstract arithmetic objects, but as the number of things in a set, (Cardinal numbers) as in the above formalism. In that formalism the answer to your questions are straight forward: all natural numbers are equally far away from infinity (they are infinitely far away). Half of infinity is infinity. So there is no continuous path from real numbers to infinity. It's an isolated object in a topological sense. Infinity is the limit of paths or real numbers though (although actually not really in the strict sense of limits...), which is kindof cool. It's like the topologists sine curve approaching the y-axis in that sense. Actually infinity is like zero in some ways. Which positive number is closest to zero? What's zero times two? | ||
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