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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10970 Posts
June 29 2017 18:21 GMT
#12701
I'm so happy I don't live in your world.

Having 5-10 year age diffrence is pretty normal and thats just a fact.
Its only a problem if one party isn't even ~25.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 29 2017 18:22 GMT
#12702
On June 29 2017 23:25 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2017 15:02 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 29 2017 11:09 IgnE wrote:
On June 29 2017 09:37 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 29 2017 07:44 IgnE wrote:
On June 29 2017 06:26 JimmiC wrote:
To me the issue is the power structure in the relationship if it's with like a 19 year old or something I see it. But times long ago you were done school ready to start work or pump out kids not to mention as a women you had very few choices. Now at 16 you are still pretty coddled and taken care you don't the Independence to create you "self" or whatever. One of the psychologists that frequent this page could probably explain the dangers of that huge of a age gap at such a young age in a clinical sense.

And then the whole other issue is what type of 29 year old wants a 16 year old. I get they might be attractive and "pure" or something. But 0 life experience comparatively. You are going to likely become the caretaker more then a partner.

There is also the whole slippery slope argument. If 16 is ok how about 14, 12? The longer some one can wait for a "adult" relationship the better.


if 16 isnt ok how about 18? 20? 28?


The problem is not that she is 16. The problem is there is an age gap, an income gap, and a cultural Capitap gap.

It's much like fucking your boss is not the same as fucking a hooker which is not the same as fucking your maid which is not the same as fucking your wife.

Power dynamics happen for all kinds of reasons and when there is a disproportion of power then problems arise.

You're taking about someone who is old enough to be run his own business versus someone who can't even vote. The amount of power and social capital each person has is massively disproportionate.

To put it simply, if she were just 5 years older she'd be old enough to drink and it would still be ridiculous for her and the 30 year old to spend that much time together.

From a legal standpoint we are forced to make arbitrary lines, that is correct. Arbitrary lines like age, social relationship, and cultural relationships. Rules like bosses fucking staff, parents fucking children, etc... these arbitrary lines are drawn because at some point we have to put down on paper that which in truth is always vague and contextual.



and so we cannot escape the slippery slope. we will fall no matter what.


There is ZERO slippery slope.

The more equal two people are, the more likely their relationship works out and is fine. The less equal the are then the less likely that their relationship works out.

There is ZERO slippery slope.

Slippery slope happens when you actively forgive disparities in equality just because you think 16 is young enough for a 30 year old while others think 5 is old enough for a 30 year old.


Isn't a slope with infinite friction just as bad?!?


Everything's a slope if you're pedantic enough.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 29 2017 18:34 GMT
#12703
On June 30 2017 03:21 Velr wrote:
I'm so happy I don't live in your world.

Having 5-10 year age diffrence is pretty normal and thats just a fact.
Its only a problem if one party isn't even ~25.


In your world of 10 year age gaps, how often is it a poor 45 year old married to a rich a 35 year old? How often is it an old lady with a young guy? Or do you often find that it's an older person in high social standing or wealth with a younger person of lower standing or wealth?

Power disparities are always awful.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 29 2017 21:26 GMT
#12704
Why are you making an argument that people should only date people within their own social-economic class?
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 29 2017 21:36 GMT
#12705
On June 30 2017 06:26 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you making an argument that people should only date people within their own social-economic class?


There are more ways to be equal than just socio-economic class. Relationships where only one person offers anything is not a relationship.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 29 2017 21:45 GMT
#12706
from a practical perspective relationships are really difficult if the two people aren't equal. not that it's impossible but it's very likely there's going to be issues.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 30 2017 01:36 GMT
#12707
A friend posted that he might have Lyme disease, is there a tactful way to tell the people recommending him to a School of Herbal Medicine to fuck off?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 30 2017 01:48 GMT
#12708
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 30 2017 01:53 GMT
#12709
On June 30 2017 10:36 Zambrah wrote:
A friend posted that he might have Lyme disease, is there a tactful way to tell the people recommending him to a School of Herbal Medicine to fuck off?


give them a copy of this book

https://www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise-Campaign-Established-Knowledge/dp/0190469412/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498787597&sr=8-1&keywords=death of expertise
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
June 30 2017 06:55 GMT
#12710
On June 30 2017 10:53 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 10:36 Zambrah wrote:
A friend posted that he might have Lyme disease, is there a tactful way to tell the people recommending him to a School of Herbal Medicine to fuck off?


give them a copy of this book

https://www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise-Campaign-Established-Knowledge/dp/0190469412/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498787597&sr=8-1&keywords=death of expertise

Haven't read that one. Was going to recommend:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3272165-bad-science

Reading the reviews, they look like they send a similar message on the topic of quackery. So whichever one you want.

But just tell your friend to listen to the doctor. He/She studied for years to learn how to treat diseases. Why would you rather listen to some random schmuck on the internet than that obvious expert. And if you doubt the advice he/she is giving you, get a second opinion from another doctor. Notice how it says doctor and still not random person on the internet? Yeah.

But there is actually a well known natural remedy to cure Lyme disease: penicillin
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 30 2017 07:21 GMT
#12711
On June 30 2017 15:55 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 10:53 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On June 30 2017 10:36 Zambrah wrote:
A friend posted that he might have Lyme disease, is there a tactful way to tell the people recommending him to a School of Herbal Medicine to fuck off?


give them a copy of this book

https://www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise-Campaign-Established-Knowledge/dp/0190469412/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498787597&sr=8-1&keywords=death of expertise

Haven't read that one. Was going to recommend:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3272165-bad-science

Reading the reviews, they look like they send a similar message on the topic of quackery. So whichever one you want.

But just tell your friend to listen to the doctor. He/She studied for years to learn how to treat diseases. Why would you rather listen to some random schmuck on the internet than that obvious expert. And if you doubt the advice he/she is giving you, get a second opinion from another doctor. Notice how it says doctor and still not random person on the internet? Yeah.

But there is actually a well known natural remedy to cure Lyme disease: penicillin

Oh but this doctor has bought something that for me looks equivalent to an MD from Dodgy University of Homeopathic Naturohealing. Also, it says in this unregulated advertisement that their products is doing all these things that the regulated information about the mainstream medicine doesn't claim. Further, in this link there is an anecdote, from another practitioner and stakeholder in the alternative treatment with what for me looks roughly like an MD, where everyone treated by this medicine immediately gets better.

Good luck! :/
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 30 2017 07:24 GMT
#12712
A serious disease attracts those alternative idiots like lightbulb attracts flies, it's unbelievable. People I haven't heard from for years suddenly appear with their "advice" as well as complete strangers. I don't even understand what do they gain from that, did their tribal magician tell them that they will get better only when they get ten more victims?

When it comes from people I care about, I try to be polite, but to complete strangers I have no problems saying that I am not interested in stupid nonsense.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12038 Posts
June 30 2017 07:58 GMT
#12713
On June 30 2017 16:21 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 15:55 Acrofales wrote:
On June 30 2017 10:53 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On June 30 2017 10:36 Zambrah wrote:
A friend posted that he might have Lyme disease, is there a tactful way to tell the people recommending him to a School of Herbal Medicine to fuck off?


give them a copy of this book

https://www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise-Campaign-Established-Knowledge/dp/0190469412/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498787597&sr=8-1&keywords=death of expertise

Haven't read that one. Was going to recommend:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3272165-bad-science

Reading the reviews, they look like they send a similar message on the topic of quackery. So whichever one you want.

But just tell your friend to listen to the doctor. He/She studied for years to learn how to treat diseases. Why would you rather listen to some random schmuck on the internet than that obvious expert. And if you doubt the advice he/she is giving you, get a second opinion from another doctor. Notice how it says doctor and still not random person on the internet? Yeah.

But there is actually a well known natural remedy to cure Lyme disease: penicillin

Oh but this doctor has bought something that for me looks equivalent to an MD from Dodgy University of Homeopathic Naturohealing.


This is something that annoys me to no end. It is basically impossible to find a doctor that does not have one of those. And the apothecaries sell homeopathic bullshit right next to actual medicine.

I know that there is a demand for this bullshit among stupid people, but please. Your business is to heal people, not to sell them bullshit that does exactly nothing.

The parents of my girlfriend are really into this stuff. They also really suck at causal arguments. So every time they come here, they bring a shitload of useless sugar pills, because you "have to help your body stay healthy". We have a whole cupboard of that shit. Every time one of us gets sick, they claim it is because we don't take enough of the shit. Not on the fact that we work with lots of different children throughout the city. Or the fact that we meet dozens of different people in sneezing range at university. And i have talked to them. It is impossible to make them understand this. Whatever i say just sounds like "I don't care about your daughters health" to them.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 08:05:41
June 30 2017 08:03 GMT
#12714
Reading this thread while my $100-per-syringe shot absorbs in my hip really reinforces my feeling of intellectual superiority

edit: this may come out the wrong way, so even though I am aware that the explanation ruins the moment, I meant it like "here I can observe people presenting various anti-medicine idiots they meet while I am casually benefiting from the state-of-the-art product of modern medicine"
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 30 2017 13:48 GMT
#12715
there is something to be said for improving your overall health if you are afflicted with a particular malady. i'm sure even the doctors here see tons of fat people who still down cola and pizza and fried chicken every day while taking advantage of modern medicine's miraculous exogenous insulin and wondering why they are still killing themselves
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 30 2017 14:29 GMT
#12716
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 30 2017 14:36 GMT
#12717
You are mixing two very different things up here. Modern medicine will very gladly and sometimes even obnoxiously tell you that you should eat well, keep a healthy weight and stay generally fit. There is nothing even slightly disputed about it and if you really know a doctor that tells a diabetic patient that he can eat whatever he pleases as long as he fixes it up with insulin after, this doctor is as big an outcast to modern medicine as a homeopath - and in my country, he'd probably lose his license pretty fast.

The problem is with people who claim that everything can be fixed with a diet that's particularly hip right now or which they have just thought of in their dreams last night and with people who claim that only "natural medicine" and similar bullcrap is the solution to everything. These are just idiots, or sometimes also golddiggers, if they happen to sell said medicine or somehow monetize said diet.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 14:46:48
June 30 2017 14:45 GMT
#12718
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12038 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 16:50:57
June 30 2017 16:50 GMT
#12719
On June 30 2017 23:29 JimmiC wrote:
Or if dinner is taking to long drives to mcdonalds hets meal comes home and still eats more dinner then me.


Your uncle is a cannibal and you are a ghost. What a difference an e makes.

And yeah, i didn't mean stuff like "eat healthy and exercise", i mean "gulp down 10 homöopathic pills each morning to "help your body be healthy".
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 30 2017 16:58 GMT
#12720
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