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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-07 13:51:45
November 07 2016 13:45 GMT
#10521
What is the best expression to start up a conversation with someone in a bad mood?

Here's my story; I`m working for Prosecutor's service as an investigator and sometimes there're complainants who only can speak English. Normally I say "G'day" to start a conversation with someone I do not know, but in this case this sounds ridiculous because anybody can see that this is definitely not a good day for him/her.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
November 07 2016 14:01 GMT
#10522
You could go with "morning" or "evening", usually used as a short for "good morning", but i hear this, especially if said in a grumpy voice, often as meaning "It's way too early to talk, stop bothering me"
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 07 2016 14:29 GMT
#10523
I think when you're speaking to someone you don't know, going with the most formal introduction is the best - that would be good morning, good afternoon, etc. I think that while you could leave the "good" out, it sounds too informal... Something that I'm more likely to say with coworkers.

Maybe morning to you is another option. I think more than anything, it's the tone you say it in, than what you say. So in your case, I wouldn't be very upbeat when saying, just very formal and kind of robotic. Same idea when someone is sour after losing a sport but you shake hands for sportsmanship as a formality.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-07 14:59:40
November 07 2016 14:49 GMT
#10524
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 07 2016 15:01 GMT
#10525
The reason why so many pro firearm people are so skeptical is because of look around you. Many if not most democrats here argue that the world would be a better place with no guns... So while it might be "little" things like getting them registered now, later it'll be banning more and more. First you'll say no assault rifles and automatic weapons. Next time, you'll go after the next thing, like large magazines or bullet size, etc. Few years later we will look at what the next most dangerous thing is and start tackling that. The issue is that there will never be zero firearm related deaths as long as they exist, so people trying to lower those homicide rates will always have something to grab at.

It surprises me that so many people on the forum here are so ignorant to the perspective of pro-firearm people, to not see their argument for it. People imo make it all seem like a really black and white issue. I think that "freedom" is a tough thing to quantify.. Like not having a gun, you still have freedoms, just can't have a gun, so are you giving up your freedoms, idk. Some people on the forum get ticked off here and say muh freedoms to things I say sarcastically.

I think that a big brother government would be more efficient when it comes to things like homicide rates, car fatalities, work place conditions, etc... sure. But enough people get pissed off, and it's tough to quantify exactly why people get pissed off, but they do, feeling like they are all little ants in an ant colony with everything setup to do what society wand them to do... and people don't like that, and they emotionally lash out. And hence you get things like Trump, who if you have a rational argument, most people wouldn't vote for.

We try to maximize social happiness, but there's other things that satisfy human traits like jealousy, sense of power, and those things like the seven deadly sins or whatever, which imo we don't take into account well in our social cost benefit analysis. I did a few CBA in cooperation with the city government during my degree, and I wasn't happy with how it was done, it only took into account the tangible things, put them into dollar amounts. No mention of emotional factors, which agreeably are hard to quantify. Anyway, a bit of a rant, but I think instead of looking at 40% of people as crazies, it's maybe a good idea to try and understand their position more. We're all born the same, so taking the perspective that 40%+ of people are stupid in their opinions on this.

My position is that some more regulation would be fine, but from taking looking at some of the arguments here, I'm not conviced that people have the view I have, and most would go too far, so halting progress in the front isn't a bad option for me compared to what it one day could be. Same idea as many Republicans denying global warming not because they don't believe it... But because it may be the most effective way to fight people who have the perspective of an environment vs economy balance that goes past your ideas.

Written on phone, apologies for any poor grammar and structure.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5161 Posts
November 09 2016 15:12 GMT
#10526
Which is more coercive: blackmailing or bribing?
Is it different when you compare the lightest blackmail vs bribe and stack that up against the harshest blackmail vs bribe?
Does it have to do with your own constitution? Is there a cutoff point where one overtakes the other if you slowly harshen the blackmail/bribe?
Taxes are for Terrans
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 15:26:19
November 09 2016 15:26 GMT
#10527
bribing is not coercive at all; you can take the money or you can not take the money. it's a choice.

blackmail is when someone has your sister in a barn somewhere, threatening to kill her if you don't do what he says.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5161 Posts
November 09 2016 15:38 GMT
#10528
Are you sure a bribe is a choice? What if you're given $10 000 000 to look the other way while a gang goes on a rape and killing spree, while you're the only one knowledgeable of the situation?
Taxes are for Terrans
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 16:04:43
November 09 2016 16:01 GMT
#10529
On November 10 2016 00:38 Uldridge wrote:
Are you sure a bribe is a choice? What if you're given $10 000 000 to look the other way while a gang goes on a rape and killing spree, while you're the only one knowledgeable of the situation?

There is still the implication that were you to tell anyone, you'd be subject to similar violence so it would be at least in part blackmail.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 09 2016 16:22 GMT
#10530
On November 10 2016 00:38 Uldridge wrote:
Are you sure a bribe is a choice? What if you're given $10 000 000 to look the other way while a gang goes on a rape and killing spree, while you're the only one knowledgeable of the situation?

now you're just trying to excuse your greed.
to translate your question: how much, payed in human lives, is my happiness worth?. gl with justifying that but it's still not coercion.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 09 2016 17:45 GMT
#10531
fuck politics men, who knows something about http://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
A new theory of gravity might explain the curious motions of stars in galaxies. Emergent gravity, as the new theory is called, predicts the exact same deviation of motions that is usually explained by invoking dark matter. Prof. Erik Verlinde, renowned expert in string theory at the University of Amsterdam and the Delta Institute for Theoretical Physics, published a new research paper today in which he expands his groundbreaking views on the nature of gravity.

In 2010, Erik Verlinde surprised the world with a completely new theory of gravity. According to Verlinde, gravity is not a fundamental force of nature, but an emergent phenomenon. In the same way that temperature arises from the movement of microscopic particles, gravity emerges from the changes of fundamental bits of information, stored in the very structure of spacetime.
i love emergence as a thing.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 09 2016 18:21 GMT
#10532
On November 10 2016 02:45 xM(Z wrote:
fuck politics men, who knows something about http://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
Show nested quote +
A new theory of gravity might explain the curious motions of stars in galaxies. Emergent gravity, as the new theory is called, predicts the exact same deviation of motions that is usually explained by invoking dark matter. Prof. Erik Verlinde, renowned expert in string theory at the University of Amsterdam and the Delta Institute for Theoretical Physics, published a new research paper today in which he expands his groundbreaking views on the nature of gravity.

In 2010, Erik Verlinde surprised the world with a completely new theory of gravity. According to Verlinde, gravity is not a fundamental force of nature, but an emergent phenomenon. In the same way that temperature arises from the movement of microscopic particles, gravity emerges from the changes of fundamental bits of information, stored in the very structure of spacetime.
i love emergence as a thing.


It's an interesting alternative to both Lambda-CDM and MOND models. Glancing at the conclusions of the paper, they do acknowledge that work still needs to be done (namely addressing their use of the present day Hubble constant, and their assumption that dark energy dominates over matter in the early universe) before emergent gravity has a chance of replacing current models of dark matter.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
November 09 2016 21:03 GMT
#10533
Considering it is theoretical physics, my guess is that noone understands it. Stuff is crazy.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 09 2016 23:42 GMT
#10534
On November 10 2016 03:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 02:45 xM(Z wrote:
fuck politics men, who knows something about http://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
A new theory of gravity might explain the curious motions of stars in galaxies. Emergent gravity, as the new theory is called, predicts the exact same deviation of motions that is usually explained by invoking dark matter. Prof. Erik Verlinde, renowned expert in string theory at the University of Amsterdam and the Delta Institute for Theoretical Physics, published a new research paper today in which he expands his groundbreaking views on the nature of gravity.

In 2010, Erik Verlinde surprised the world with a completely new theory of gravity. According to Verlinde, gravity is not a fundamental force of nature, but an emergent phenomenon. In the same way that temperature arises from the movement of microscopic particles, gravity emerges from the changes of fundamental bits of information, stored in the very structure of spacetime.
i love emergence as a thing.


It's an interesting alternative to both Lambda-CDM and MOND models. Glancing at the conclusions of the paper, they do acknowledge that work still needs to be done (namely addressing their use of the present day Hubble constant, and their assumption that dark energy dominates over matter in the early universe) before emergent gravity has a chance of replacing current models of dark matter.

Does it actually predict anything? Or is it just a parametrisation of observations? It does connect to measurements, right?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 10 2016 00:22 GMT
#10535
On November 10 2016 08:42 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 03:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 10 2016 02:45 xM(Z wrote:
fuck politics men, who knows something about http://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
A new theory of gravity might explain the curious motions of stars in galaxies. Emergent gravity, as the new theory is called, predicts the exact same deviation of motions that is usually explained by invoking dark matter. Prof. Erik Verlinde, renowned expert in string theory at the University of Amsterdam and the Delta Institute for Theoretical Physics, published a new research paper today in which he expands his groundbreaking views on the nature of gravity.

In 2010, Erik Verlinde surprised the world with a completely new theory of gravity. According to Verlinde, gravity is not a fundamental force of nature, but an emergent phenomenon. In the same way that temperature arises from the movement of microscopic particles, gravity emerges from the changes of fundamental bits of information, stored in the very structure of spacetime.
i love emergence as a thing.


It's an interesting alternative to both Lambda-CDM and MOND models. Glancing at the conclusions of the paper, they do acknowledge that work still needs to be done (namely addressing their use of the present day Hubble constant, and their assumption that dark energy dominates over matter in the early universe) before emergent gravity has a chance of replacing current models of dark matter.

Does it actually predict anything? Or is it just a parametrisation of observations? It does connect to measurements, right?


It isn't predictive. It's basically an argument that the laws of gravity should change to these new emergent/entropic ones, instead of trying to preserve them by adding dark matter. The arguments themselves are based on "natural constants", and the results fit known facts such as Einstein Field Equations.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 10 2016 02:54 GMT
#10536
On November 10 2016 09:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 08:42 Cascade wrote:
On November 10 2016 03:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 10 2016 02:45 xM(Z wrote:
fuck politics men, who knows something about http://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
A new theory of gravity might explain the curious motions of stars in galaxies. Emergent gravity, as the new theory is called, predicts the exact same deviation of motions that is usually explained by invoking dark matter. Prof. Erik Verlinde, renowned expert in string theory at the University of Amsterdam and the Delta Institute for Theoretical Physics, published a new research paper today in which he expands his groundbreaking views on the nature of gravity.

In 2010, Erik Verlinde surprised the world with a completely new theory of gravity. According to Verlinde, gravity is not a fundamental force of nature, but an emergent phenomenon. In the same way that temperature arises from the movement of microscopic particles, gravity emerges from the changes of fundamental bits of information, stored in the very structure of spacetime.
i love emergence as a thing.


It's an interesting alternative to both Lambda-CDM and MOND models. Glancing at the conclusions of the paper, they do acknowledge that work still needs to be done (namely addressing their use of the present day Hubble constant, and their assumption that dark energy dominates over matter in the early universe) before emergent gravity has a chance of replacing current models of dark matter.

Does it actually predict anything? Or is it just a parametrisation of observations? It does connect to measurements, right?


It isn't predictive. It's basically an argument that the laws of gravity should change to these new emergent/entropic ones, instead of trying to preserve them by adding dark matter. The arguments themselves are based on "natural constants", and the results fit known facts such as Einstein Field Equations.

Isn't predictive? What does that mean? So it doesn't connect with any measurements? Not falsifiable?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 10 2016 03:44 GMT
#10537
On November 10 2016 11:54 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 09:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 10 2016 08:42 Cascade wrote:
On November 10 2016 03:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 10 2016 02:45 xM(Z wrote:
fuck politics men, who knows something about http://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
A new theory of gravity might explain the curious motions of stars in galaxies. Emergent gravity, as the new theory is called, predicts the exact same deviation of motions that is usually explained by invoking dark matter. Prof. Erik Verlinde, renowned expert in string theory at the University of Amsterdam and the Delta Institute for Theoretical Physics, published a new research paper today in which he expands his groundbreaking views on the nature of gravity.

In 2010, Erik Verlinde surprised the world with a completely new theory of gravity. According to Verlinde, gravity is not a fundamental force of nature, but an emergent phenomenon. In the same way that temperature arises from the movement of microscopic particles, gravity emerges from the changes of fundamental bits of information, stored in the very structure of spacetime.
i love emergence as a thing.


It's an interesting alternative to both Lambda-CDM and MOND models. Glancing at the conclusions of the paper, they do acknowledge that work still needs to be done (namely addressing their use of the present day Hubble constant, and their assumption that dark energy dominates over matter in the early universe) before emergent gravity has a chance of replacing current models of dark matter.

Does it actually predict anything? Or is it just a parametrisation of observations? It does connect to measurements, right?


It isn't predictive. It's basically an argument that the laws of gravity should change to these new emergent/entropic ones, instead of trying to preserve them by adding dark matter. The arguments themselves are based on "natural constants", and the results fit known facts such as Einstein Field Equations.

Isn't predictive? What does that mean? So it doesn't connect with any measurements? Not falsifiable?


It doesn't make any new physical predictions. It tries to explain the properties of the cosmos in ways that do not involve dark matter. It and the Lambda-CDM model both serve to explain stuff like CMB radiation, the accelerating expansion of the universe, the distribution of galaxies etc. Since they "fit existing facts" and don't make new predictions existing experiments won't falsify them. There may be new experiments that could be devised to distinguish between them, or objections based on theoretical grounds (like in 2010 after Verlinde's initial paper there were some criticism to it claiming it broke quantum coherence and stuff like that).
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
November 10 2016 04:57 GMT
#10538
I was messing around on wikipedia and found a list of Nixon's poltical opponents and for some reason Joe namath was on there. when I went to Namath's page it didn't mention a single thing about politics. so why in the world was he on the list?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_list_of_Nixon's_political_opponents
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 10 2016 05:04 GMT
#10539
On November 10 2016 13:57 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I was messing around on wikipedia and found a list of Nixon's poltical opponents and for some reason Joe namath was on there. when I went to Namath's page it didn't mention a single thing about politics. so why in the world was he on the list?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_list_of_Nixon's_political_opponents


A mistake apparently.

http://www.enemieslist.info/enemy.php?ID=147
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 05:09:12
November 10 2016 05:07 GMT
#10540
On November 10 2016 14:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 13:57 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I was messing around on wikipedia and found a list of Nixon's poltical opponents and for some reason Joe namath was on there. when I went to Namath's page it didn't mention a single thing about politics. so why in the world was he on the list?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_list_of_Nixon's_political_opponents


A mistake apparently.

http://www.enemieslist.info/enemy.php?ID=147


I don't know why but I find this slightly disappointing. I was hoping that Nixon was just really really mad after super bowl 3. still pretty entertaining though
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