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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
November 13 2016 20:45 GMT
#10561
On November 14 2016 05:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Does food cook by getting it to a certain temperature or keeping it at that temperature for some time?

For example, you put beef roast into the oven, you know you want to get the inside temperature to say 70C, so you set the oven to 175C, and eventually thermodynamics does its thing, and the convection of air in the oven, and heat conduction in the food. In this situation, the food would keep increasing its temperature asymptotically to 175C. But say you had an oven that kept the temperature of food constant, would keeping it at that temperature longer make the food taste different?

What exactly do you mean? Slow roasting?

And yes, a lot of things make food taste the way it does. How fast you cook meat has a huge influence on its texture and it's flavour.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5237 Posts
November 13 2016 21:15 GMT
#10562
I'm no food chemist by any means (yes, food chemistry is a thing), but I do know of this: Maillard reaction. It's basically how flavours at higher temperatures are created. Now this is only one of the things going on.
I'd say that you need certain T values to get the reaction in the thing you're cooking, if it needs x time at y T, I can't tell. But bread for example needs a set amount of time in the oven to rise a decent volume. But this is more an assumption than knowing what I'm talking about.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 21:29:32
November 13 2016 21:27 GMT
#10563
On November 14 2016 05:45 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 05:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Does food cook by getting it to a certain temperature or keeping it at that temperature for some time?

For example, you put beef roast into the oven, you know you want to get the inside temperature to say 70C, so you set the oven to 175C, and eventually thermodynamics does its thing, and the convection of air in the oven, and heat conduction in the food. In this situation, the food would keep increasing its temperature asymptotically to 175C. But say you had an oven that kept the temperature of food constant, would keeping it at that temperature longer make the food taste different?

What exactly do you mean? Slow roasting?

And yes, a lot of things make food taste the way it does. How fast you cook meat has a huge influence on its texture and it's flavour.


How fast you cook meat isn't really what I'm asking.

Using low temperature for a long time achieves a more even temperature distribution in the food, and hence more homogenous. Meanwhile cooking quickly for a short time creates a large temperature gradient in the food, so you have a seared outside, or whatever other reaction happens at higher temperatures. Hence the characteristics of the food are very different and not comparable.

What I'm asking is about two foods that have identical temperature profiles, just one of them was held at that temperature for longer.

On November 14 2016 06:15 Uldridge wrote:
I'm no food chemist by any means (yes, food chemistry is a thing), but I do know of this: Maillard reaction. It's basically how flavours at higher temperatures are created. Now this is only one of the things going on.
I'd say that you need certain T values to get the reaction in the thing you're cooking, if it needs x time at y T, I can't tell. But bread for example needs a set amount of time in the oven to rise a decent volume. But this is more an assumption than knowing what I'm talking about.


I guess you're right, all it really comes down to is the rate of reaction in the food. See the idea of having bread in the oven for a long time, I would think is so the bread has time to get warmer, but I suppose it might be as well because the yeast reacts slowly, I don't know,
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2016 12:23 GMT
#10564
On November 13 2016 14:27 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 14:17 Epishade wrote:
If I'm marooned on a life-raft with a few other people, is it common courtesy to let them know they can eat me after I'm dead, or is that just sort of an unspoken rule that whoever dies first will get eaten? Is it a dick move if I expressly tell them I wish to be buried at sea after I die, still intact.

I doubt there are protocol for common courtesy regarding this. :D Anyway I don't think they will care too much about what you wished for in that situation. Do you expect them to respect your wishes and die because you didn't give them permission to eat you? I think most would be deep into survival mode at that point, and just do whatever to stay alive.

But yeah, I have no real information about this ofc. Would be interesting to know how this kind of scenario has played out when it's happened in reality (and someone lived to tell the tale).


I still don't get why cannibalism is such a big deal. It's one of the old issues that some people still consider of great importance, even though one would thing that we as a civilization have grown out of it. There is nothing immoral about eating a dead person, unless you kill people to get meat on purpose. I am not saying there is nothing wrong - my biology friends have told me that eating human meat is quite dangerous, in particular because of prion diseases (you should never touch the nervous system of someone else from your species), but all the reservations we have against it are rooted in tribal times where it had to be prohibited, otherwise people would kill each other for food, or in religious beliefs. If someone told me in a life or death situation that I should not eat his body after his death because he just wishes so, I would just tell said person to go fuck themselves.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12181 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 12:42:37
November 14 2016 12:41 GMT
#10565
On November 14 2016 21:23 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 14:27 Cascade wrote:
On November 13 2016 14:17 Epishade wrote:
If I'm marooned on a life-raft with a few other people, is it common courtesy to let them know they can eat me after I'm dead, or is that just sort of an unspoken rule that whoever dies first will get eaten? Is it a dick move if I expressly tell them I wish to be buried at sea after I die, still intact.

I doubt there are protocol for common courtesy regarding this. :D Anyway I don't think they will care too much about what you wished for in that situation. Do you expect them to respect your wishes and die because you didn't give them permission to eat you? I think most would be deep into survival mode at that point, and just do whatever to stay alive.

But yeah, I have no real information about this ofc. Would be interesting to know how this kind of scenario has played out when it's happened in reality (and someone lived to tell the tale).


I still don't get why cannibalism is such a big deal. It's one of the old issues that some people still consider of great importance, even though one would thing that we as a civilization have grown out of it. There is nothing immoral about eating a dead person, unless you kill people to get meat on purpose. I am not saying there is nothing wrong - my biology friends have told me that eating human meat is quite dangerous, in particular because of prion diseases (you should never touch the nervous system of someone else from your species), but all the reservations we have against it are rooted in tribal times where it had to be prohibited, otherwise people would kill each other for food, or in religious beliefs. If someone told me in a life or death situation that I should not eat his body after his death because he just wishes so, I would just tell said person to go fuck themselves.


As you said it has dual backgrounds.The major reason is diseases, parasites, viruses and whatever else that is 100% compatible with the other human host. Else roaming armies would have commonly eaten the enemy dead after tribal times. The other is of course keeping your friends and population alive. Especially as people get weak they should get more susceptible to diseases and increase the risk. (There are cases of parasites only residing in humans surviving until modern times due to cannibalism.)

In a famine situation with modern medicine a possibility in the near future it seems very logical to eat other people. Not sure if everyone can compensate for both nature and nurture being against it though.
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 13:31:54
November 14 2016 13:30 GMT
#10566
On November 14 2016 06:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 05:45 Acrofales wrote:
On November 14 2016 05:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Does food cook by getting it to a certain temperature or keeping it at that temperature for some time?

For example, you put beef roast into the oven, you know you want to get the inside temperature to say 70C, so you set the oven to 175C, and eventually thermodynamics does its thing, and the convection of air in the oven, and heat conduction in the food. In this situation, the food would keep increasing its temperature asymptotically to 175C. But say you had an oven that kept the temperature of food constant, would keeping it at that temperature longer make the food taste different?

What exactly do you mean? Slow roasting?

And yes, a lot of things make food taste the way it does. How fast you cook meat has a huge influence on its texture and it's flavour.


How fast you cook meat isn't really what I'm asking.

Using low temperature for a long time achieves a more even temperature distribution in the food, and hence more homogenous. Meanwhile cooking quickly for a short time creates a large temperature gradient in the food, so you have a seared outside, or whatever other reaction happens at higher temperatures. Hence the characteristics of the food are very different and not comparable.

What I'm asking is about two foods that have identical temperature profiles, just one of them was held at that temperature for longer.

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 06:15 Uldridge wrote:
I'm no food chemist by any means (yes, food chemistry is a thing), but I do know of this: Maillard reaction. It's basically how flavours at higher temperatures are created. Now this is only one of the things going on.
I'd say that you need certain T values to get the reaction in the thing you're cooking, if it needs x time at y T, I can't tell. But bread for example needs a set amount of time in the oven to rise a decent volume. But this is more an assumption than knowing what I'm talking about.


I guess you're right, all it really comes down to is the rate of reaction in the food. See the idea of having bread in the oven for a long time, I would think is so the bread has time to get warmer, but I suppose it might be as well because the yeast reacts slowly, I don't know,


Yeast actions are prior to baking : yeast are living cells that eat and reproduce in the dough (fermentation). They strive at 25-30°C, not at oven temperatures.

Any cooking involves several reactions, that all have different optimal temperatures (some of them are only slower at lower temperatures).

For bread, CO2 pression in the dough will always increase with temperature, yeast will die at 60°C, yeast enzymes stop working at ~75°C, amidon changes state at ~80°C, the reactions needed for the "inside" of the bread end at ~90°C. Then water will start to turn to vapor. Since crust reactions start at 125°C and stop ~200°C, you are on a timer to get the crust to temperature without drying the inside.
(taken from presentation (in French))

You can set a temperature around one specific reaction, but I don't think any food has a taste determined by a single chemical reaction.

Low temperature cooking on meat tastes great, but different.. "perfect" eggs, cooked for up to hours at 61-65°C (just below temperatures where yolk starts to solidify) are Interesting, but different.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 14 2016 18:18 GMT
#10567
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?

"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 14 2016 18:27 GMT
#10568
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 19:06:53
November 14 2016 19:05 GMT
#10569
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
November 14 2016 19:19 GMT
#10570
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 19:23:06
November 14 2016 19:22 GMT
#10571
On November 15 2016 04:19 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.

Maybe it's reasonable under the circumstances where I'm left in some uncertainty but since that was my last message I'm worried about sounding aggressive. Not that I should, really, it's actually him being a dick and not keeping me informed... but eh.

And he logged off without contacting me which is certainly irritating. How hard can it be to send a fucking PM "hey sorry I didn't get to send it Friday or this weekend but I'll do it today or tomorrow". Just send it. Takes 5 seconds ffs.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2016 19:27 GMT
#10572
On November 15 2016 04:22 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 04:19 Acrofales wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.

Maybe it's reasonable under the circumstances where I'm left in some uncertainty but since that was my last message I'm worried about sounding aggressive. Not that I should, really, it's actually him being a dick and not keeping me informed... but eh.

And he logged off without contacting me which is certainly irritating. How hard can it be to send a fucking PM "hey sorry I didn't get to send it Friday or this weekend but I'll do it today or tomorrow". Just send it. Takes 5 seconds ffs.


I wondered who on Earth would feel bad about reminding someone who has their money to proceed with their part of the deal in a timely manner.

Then I saw what country are you from
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 14 2016 19:32 GMT
#10573
On November 15 2016 04:27 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 04:22 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:19 Acrofales wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.

Maybe it's reasonable under the circumstances where I'm left in some uncertainty but since that was my last message I'm worried about sounding aggressive. Not that I should, really, it's actually him being a dick and not keeping me informed... but eh.

And he logged off without contacting me which is certainly irritating. How hard can it be to send a fucking PM "hey sorry I didn't get to send it Friday or this weekend but I'll do it today or tomorrow". Just send it. Takes 5 seconds ffs.


I wondered who on Earth would feel bad about reminding someone who has their money to proceed with their part of the deal in a timely manner.

Then I saw what country are you from

I'm from French Canadia, where we're supposed to be dicks :o
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
November 14 2016 19:46 GMT
#10574
On November 15 2016 04:32 Djzapz wrote:
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On November 15 2016 04:27 opisska wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:22 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:19 Acrofales wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.

Maybe it's reasonable under the circumstances where I'm left in some uncertainty but since that was my last message I'm worried about sounding aggressive. Not that I should, really, it's actually him being a dick and not keeping me informed... but eh.

And he logged off without contacting me which is certainly irritating. How hard can it be to send a fucking PM "hey sorry I didn't get to send it Friday or this weekend but I'll do it today or tomorrow". Just send it. Takes 5 seconds ffs.


I wondered who on Earth would feel bad about reminding someone who has their money to proceed with their part of the deal in a timely manner.

Then I saw what country are you from

I'm from French Canadia, where we're supposed to be dicks :o

Shouldn't you be a connard then, not a dick? What are you even doing on an English-speaking forum?
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 14 2016 19:47 GMT
#10575
On November 15 2016 04:46 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 04:32 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:27 opisska wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:22 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:19 Acrofales wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.

Maybe it's reasonable under the circumstances where I'm left in some uncertainty but since that was my last message I'm worried about sounding aggressive. Not that I should, really, it's actually him being a dick and not keeping me informed... but eh.

And he logged off without contacting me which is certainly irritating. How hard can it be to send a fucking PM "hey sorry I didn't get to send it Friday or this weekend but I'll do it today or tomorrow". Just send it. Takes 5 seconds ffs.


I wondered who on Earth would feel bad about reminding someone who has their money to proceed with their part of the deal in a timely manner.

Then I saw what country are you from

I'm from French Canadia, where we're supposed to be dicks :o

Shouldn't you be a connard then, not a dick? What are you even doing on an English-speaking forum?

I'm treacherous by nature.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
November 14 2016 21:38 GMT
#10576
On November 15 2016 04:47 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 04:46 Acrofales wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:32 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:27 opisska wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:22 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:19 Acrofales wrote:
On November 15 2016 04:05 Djzapz wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
On November 15 2016 03:18 Djzapz wrote:
What's the equipment exchange etiquette for the following scenario? I oftentimes buy stuff on forums and the process is you talk to someone, send them the money, then they send the stuff to you.

Currently I'm buying something from a dude and we've been talking for a week, the guy has 85 positive trade ratings and 0 negative trade ratings but I'm getting impatient. First we had to transfer the registration of the item, he said it was going to be done Monday last week (7 days ago). On Wednesday I contacted him to see if it was done and he gave me the reference number and he had omitted to contact me about it. On Thursday the transfer was processed and I let him know, so he could ship, I specified to please leave me a tracking number so that I could be at home to receive it, and he said "Ok I'll ship it Friday provided I'm not called into work".

Since the item is now registered to me, I'm not too worried because he has no choice but to send it to me or he could get in trouble. But now it's Monday and he hasn't bothered to contact me to say "I haven't been able to ship it out" or "I shipped it out and here's the tracking number". No comms from him since Friday.

I just checked and he's online right now in "Private messaging" so as far as I know he's in the process of sending me the tracking number, but I don't know. How long should I wait before I ask for an update, considering I asked for an update on the registration on Tuesday last week since he didn't get it done on Monday like he said he would?


I mean is it a car, boat, ATV, motocycle or a gun or what are you buying you have to register to your name? I'd say provided you were courteous, and just chimed in asking for an update you're in the green.

I also don't know how you paid for this or how much you paid for it. I personally these days would opt for something where my bank can digitally reclaim funds in the event of skeeziness but that is me.

I paid $275 through EMT which can't be refunded. It's a pretty small risk considering he has very positive reviews but expediency is nice... and communication is very nice.

Anyway I'm not quite sure how to politely ask... something like "Hey X, have you had a chance to go to the post office yet? Thanks"

Hi X,

Please let me know when you send my <item>.

Maybe it's reasonable under the circumstances where I'm left in some uncertainty but since that was my last message I'm worried about sounding aggressive. Not that I should, really, it's actually him being a dick and not keeping me informed... but eh.

And he logged off without contacting me which is certainly irritating. How hard can it be to send a fucking PM "hey sorry I didn't get to send it Friday or this weekend but I'll do it today or tomorrow". Just send it. Takes 5 seconds ffs.


I wondered who on Earth would feel bad about reminding someone who has their money to proceed with their part of the deal in a timely manner.

Then I saw what country are you from

I'm from French Canadia, where we're supposed to be dicks :o

Shouldn't you be a connard then, not a dick? What are you even doing on an English-speaking forum?

I'm treacherous by nature.


This is the frenchest thing I've read in a good long while.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
November 15 2016 08:26 GMT
#10577
Seems my cat is weaving a plot to assassinate me. What should I do in this situation?
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 08:34:04
November 15 2016 08:33 GMT
#10578
On November 15 2016 17:26 Thouhastmail wrote:
Seems my cat is weaving a plot to assassinate me. What should I do in this situation?

Feed it. It better be something good.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
November 15 2016 09:22 GMT
#10579
On November 15 2016 17:26 Thouhastmail wrote:
Seems my cat is weaving a plot to assassinate me. What should I do in this situation?

Assassinate it faster.

Or bribe it with catnip.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
November 15 2016 16:09 GMT
#10580
Cascade and Acrofales are a bit too extreme in solving your cat problem; best take a middle ground.

Assassinate your cat, by eating it.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
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