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Simberto
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DarkPlasmaBall
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 05 2015 03:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think it's supposed to be a toothbrush. Check it out. I thought it was supposed to clean your ears !? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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Thieving Magpie
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On July 05 2015 02:33 Simberto wrote: Yeah no, much too troll. Not buying it. it's for really dog my mom uses it all the time helps her back, teeth, and migraines too legit to quit it | ||
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ImFromPortugal
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 05 2015 13:17 ImFromPortugal wrote: Will we ever achieve physical immortality ? You mean like vampires, where they hit a certain age/ physique and just stay like that forever? I'd imagine we could find ways to continue to increase our longevity, but immortality sounds a bit farfetched. | ||
The_Templar
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On July 05 2015 13:17 ImFromPortugal wrote: Will we ever achieve physical immortality ? I think it's possible. Most likely it won't happen in the next few centuries though, and whether it's even possible is something I don't think science is close to figuring out? | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On July 05 2015 13:17 ImFromPortugal wrote: Will we ever achieve physical immortality ? Not in our lifetime, and who cares what happens after that?  | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 05 2015 13:17 ImFromPortugal wrote: Will we ever achieve physical immortality ? Even if we could, it would be forbidden in the same way as human clones. So theorically, yes, in practice, no. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24403 Posts
On July 05 2015 16:24 OtherWorld wrote: Even if we could, it would be forbidden in the same way as human clones. So theorically, yes, in practice, no. You know China is going to clone people as soon as they can, probably before. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On July 05 2015 16:24 OtherWorld wrote: Even if we could, it would be forbidden in the same way as human clones. So theorically, yes, in practice, no. Why do you think that it'll be banned? It'd just be medicine getting increasingly good at handling diseases and age-related conditions, and the average age would skyrocket, and at a certain point people maybe wouldn't be completely immortal, but would live long enough so that most would die from "unnatural causes", such as car accidents or whatever, before they die of age/disease related things. Which would effectively make you immortal. I don't see the ethical problem with that. Maybe I misunderstood exactly what was meant by immortal in the original question. People will always be able to be killed (by other people), but we will be increasingly good at treating maladies. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 05 2015 16:40 GreenHorizons wrote: You know China is going to clone people as soon as they can, probably before. China has allegedly started human cloning in order to do therapeutic cloning, and they also started reproductive cloning of animal and vegetable species. However both of those are ethically way different from human reproductive cloning (which is what I meant by "human clones"), which is largely condemned by countries in the world, including China : The prohibitions contained in the text could be misunderstood as covering all forms of cloning. Having voted against the Declaration, the Chinese Government would continue to adhere to its position against reproductive human cloning, while maintaining strict controls over therapeutic cloning. It is also worth it to note that China probably has the potential to do reproductive human cloning by now (they just wouldn't live very long), yet they don't do it (or at least don't announce it). So yeah, it's possible that they'll start to do reproductive human cloning soon, although I'm unsure if the benefits they'd get from it would be worth it, but it's also very likely that they won't. On July 05 2015 16:47 Cascade wrote: Why do you think that it'll be banned? It'd just be medicine getting increasingly good at handling diseases and age-related conditions, and the average age would skyrocket, and at a certain point people maybe wouldn't be completely immortal, but would live long enough so that most would die from "unnatural causes", such as car accidents or whatever, before they die of age/disease related things. Which would effectively make you immortal. I don't see the ethical problem with that. Maybe I misunderstood exactly what was meant by immortal in the original question. People will always be able to be killed (by other people), but we will be increasingly good at treating maladies. Hmm yeah we didn't understand the question the same way. It's very possible that medicine will get increasingly good at treating age-related conditions, leading to an vast increase of longevity for human beings ; and you can't ban that ; but I understood the "immortality" part of his question as complete immortality, which would [take this with a lot of caution, I'm no expert in the field] theoretically be possible with extra-quick cell regeneration. | ||
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oGoZenob
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Simberto
Germany12044 Posts
As far as i understand, there does not seem to be any real physical reason that makes aging and death necessary, except that it was evolutionary useful. Of course, strong immortality is an entirely different thing alltogether. You would at least need some sort of backup system in case of accidents (Which leads to problems with the question of whether a backup of you is actually you), and even then at some point that backup system could break. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On July 05 2015 13:17 ImFromPortugal wrote: Will we ever achieve physical immortality ? Firstly I do believe there will time when we achieve enough scientific knowledge to be able to live forever. I can see this happening in a couple of different ways. There's the biological way where we figure out exactly what causes us to age - and use drugs to stop this process. Then through technological means, where we'd have the choice be able to upload our consciousness Matrix style into a purely electronic domain. Both of these will happen, it's just a matter of time. Science fiction becomes science fact. Michio Kaku did a speech on technology and the human mind, and how he sees a potential future for humanity, and it's pretty wacky stuff - beaming your consciousness on a laser beam across the expanses of space into an avatar for example. We've got scientists today who've connected cats up to computers, and digitally imaged what the cat is actually seeing. It's very basic imagery currently, but it'll only get better over time. I watched one of the World Science Festival VODs on YouTube where one of the scientists doing this work spoke on it, it's fascinating. Each step we take towards unlocking how the brain works, takes us a step closer to immortality. There's an interesting thought experiment which goes as follows: Brains are just biochemical computers, if you recreated every neuron.. a 1 to 1 mapping of every connection in your brain recreated electronically, what would you end up with? A waste of time, or consciousness on some level? There's a time coming criminals where we'll know for a fact if you're guilty of a crime or not, by imaging your brain in real time. Current lie detectors fail in this area, The Green River Killer springs to mind who had 2 or 3 lie detector tests all of which he passed.. Meanwhile he continued to kill. And for me it's unlocking the secrets in the mind what will lead to immortality. On July 05 2015 16:24 OtherWorld wrote: Even if we could, it would be forbidden in the same way as human clones. So theoretically, yes, in practice, no. Not it wont. Are you telling me that when this technology (either on the biochemical or technological level) Is fully understood, that every corporation in the world isn't going to want to sell it? That every person will demand access to it? It will be the Holy Grail, a product that everyone without question will want. It'll stand as testament to humanity's progress, and the final nail in the coffin for religion. I understand the moral stance you take, but when push comes to shove, and in light of immortality, I don't feel even you would say no. Think of what we could achieve if we still had the minds of Einstein, Dirac or Feynman about. So we can get there on our own. It's just a matter of time. But, now let's add in The Technological Singularity. "The technological singularity is the hypothetical advent of artificial general intelligence (also known as "strong AI"). Such a computer, computer network, or robot would theoretically be capable of recursive self-improvement (redesigning itself), or of designing and building computers or robots better than itself. Repetitions of this cycle would likely result in a runaway effect — an intelligence explosion — where smart machines design successive generations of increasingly powerful machines, creating intelligence far exceeding human intellectual capacity and control. Because the capabilities of such a superintelligence may be impossible for a human to comprehend, the technological singularity is an occurrence beyond which events may become unpredictable, unfavorable, or even unfathomable." This is on our horizons too. Again.. It's just a matter of time. There's a couple of works of fiction that spring to mind in this regard, the first is a short story by Isaac Asimov called The Last Question, and another by Greg Iles called Dark Matter which revolves around scientists creating a quantum artificial intelligence. Engrossing read, weaving the story of how this vast intelligence's consciousness is created from the void of electronic circuits. The Technological Singularity deserves a thread all of it's own frankly. Terrifying to think of the possible outcomes from this event. Would we end up with SkyNet, a bunch of psychopathic robots hell bent on our destruction, or a benevolent entity looking to help and guide us? A coin flip in my eyes, when one considers how capricious and nefarious humans can be at times. But you know what? Somewhere out there will be a scientist who'll flip the switch to find out. | ||
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