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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
"Poor like an immigrant" or "Weak like a dwarf" it is true that immigrant on average are poorer that non-immigrant, and dwarfs will be weaker on average as well. Still, I think rubbing it in by using phrases like that perpetuates a negative connotation to these often discriminated groups, and thus contributes to the discrimination. So it's not a matter of factual correctness, but a matter of not rubbing in negative connotation of discriminated groups. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45290 Posts
On June 02 2015 22:46 Thieving Magpie wrote: Those are under your patriarchal guidelines with the assumption that that is the only valid value. An since you live in a patriarchal society with heavily misogynistic views, you cannot fathom even the remote possibility of defining different values to the same observed action. Regardless of whether you live in a patriarchal or matriarchal society, men (on average) hit harder than women. That's a fact, not a value. So while we say it to men as a putdown in our patriarchal society, we probably wouldn't say it in a matriarchal society frequently at all (because while the fact remains the same, we would value women more and not go out of our way to point out inferiorities). However, we wouldn't say that "you hit like a girl" is a compliment; instead, the putdowns would just be aimed towards things men do worse (because it's sex reversal). So in a matriarchal society, we would be more likely to hear something like "You're as dirty/ lazy/ hairy as a man" (or some other negative stereotype for men) as an assigned putdown to a woman, but that doesn't mean it's currently a compliment in our society. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On June 03 2015 13:13 AssyrianKing wrote: Why isn't there a Liquepidia for LOL ? I'd guess because other ones do it perfectly well and there's no need for TL to have their own independent one. there's this one for instance http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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helpman176
128 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On June 03 2015 14:31 IgnE wrote: I think he means "laughing out loud." oh. well if he means the other lol i answered it | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On June 03 2015 03:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard. just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie. my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that. i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 03 2015 17:07 xM(Z wrote: just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie. my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that. i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase. I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people. It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On June 03 2015 17:14 Cascade wrote: I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people. It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties. but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course. all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going. | ||
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helpman176
128 Posts
If a dude hits like a girl, it is very important to call him out on it! | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 03 2015 17:31 xM(Z wrote: but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course. all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going. I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23657 Posts
On June 03 2015 18:36 Cascade wrote: The sexism here is pretty scary. This is nothing. It gets way worse. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 03 2015 18:36 Cascade wrote: The sexism here is pretty scary. When confronted with reasoning and thought, some people will just narrow their minds and call everyone not agreeing with them "SJW" without even realizing the absurdness of this. Don't bother. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10852 Posts
Is it 100% PC? Probably not. Is it discriminating or anything like that? No. Is it worth making a fuss about? No and you look stupid for doing it. There are many more important battles to fight. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On June 03 2015 18:53 OtherWorld wrote: When confronted with reasoning and thought, some people will just narrow their minds and call everyone not agreeing with them "SJW" without even realizing the absurdness of this. Don't bother. ur nearly at 10k i hope u have a blog planned out, im looking forward to it (p.s can i get a random shoutout) | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On June 03 2015 18:35 Cascade wrote: I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry. i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior. i started using it every time people are out of touch with day to day realities. in general, it's ok to theorize ideas/concepts/phrasings and their meanings, but to expect them to apply unconditionally to real life is smugness. the bolded part is your mistake. there is no everyone's. actually, you'd be surprised how less of "everyone's" you have there. i don't know why you like to assume that everyone you perceive as a victim, is on your side or is even a victim. as an exercise, go to a girl and tell her she has at least one undesirable propriety and see how that goes. i'd be offended. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
yeah all that oppression of black users by the white nazi mods | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23657 Posts
On June 03 2015 19:49 ahswtini wrote: yeah all that oppression of black users by the white nazi mods And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The childish belittling of serious issues is just part of being on the internet, even on TL lol. | ||
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