On June 03 2015 18:36 Cascade wrote: The sexism here is pretty scary.
When confronted with reasoning and thought, some people will just narrow their minds and call everyone not agreeing with them "SJW" without even realizing the absurdness of this. Don't bother.
ur nearly at 10k i hope u have a blog planned out, im looking forward to it (p.s can i get a random shoutout)
This blog is to be considered as my 10K blog, so sorry for your shoutout d:
On June 03 2015 03:32 xM(Z wrote: stop with the swj-ing dude. go outside, find a girl, tell her the phrase then ask her is she's offended. is she says "no", slap yourself then move on.
there is no way you can construct a language with a syntax that will be equal(in phrasing) for every stinking human on this planet.
this shit - "Hits like a truck", is very offensive. my <xxx> were hit by a truck and died. how can you be so inconsiderate!?. stop trivializing my pain.
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior. i started using it every time people are out of touch with day to day realities. in general, it's ok to theorize ideas/concepts/phrasings and their meanings, but to expect them to apply unconditionally to real life is smugness. the bolded part is your mistake. there is no everyone's. actually, you'd be surprised how less of "everyone's" you have there. i don't know why you like to assume that everyone you perceive as a victim, is on your side or is even a victim.
as an exercise, go to a girl and tell her she has at least one undesirable propriety and see how that goes. i'd be offended.
As I mentioned earlier, there is quite a lot of research done on this, and there is no doubt that there is extensive discrimination going on. It is less clear exactly what the causes are, but there are some studies giving hints about that as well. So instead of these personal attacks about how out of touch I am, I suggest go and check up some of the research, because I assume you haven't. wikipedia is good place to start. As you probably won't click the link, afraid that it'll conflict with your world picture, let me quote the first two sentences:
Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism affects both men and women, but primarily women.[1][2][3] It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles,[4][5] and may include the belief that one sex or gender is intrinsically superior to another.[6]
I think "throw like a girl" can definitely be assumed to perpetuate stereotypes and gender roles as they mention. But I assume you will dismiss the entire field of research as a bunch of "SJW-ing"?
On June 03 2015 03:32 xM(Z wrote: stop with the swj-ing dude. go outside, find a girl, tell her the phrase then ask her is she's offended. is she says "no", slap yourself then move on.
there is no way you can construct a language with a syntax that will be equal(in phrasing) for every stinking human on this planet.
this shit - "Hits like a truck", is very offensive. my <xxx> were hit by a truck and died. how can you be so inconsiderate!?. stop trivializing my pain.
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior.
I bet it doesn't You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol.
And besides, what do you expect? People are going to inject their philosophies and values into any sort of conversation or debate, as well as try to argue from other perspectives. It's really easy to write people off as SJW (not SWJ), but instead you should be focusing on their statements. Saying "lol SJW" is basically an ad hominem.
On June 03 2015 03:32 xM(Z wrote: stop with the swj-ing dude. go outside, find a girl, tell her the phrase then ask her is she's offended. is she says "no", slap yourself then move on.
there is no way you can construct a language with a syntax that will be equal(in phrasing) for every stinking human on this planet.
this shit - "Hits like a truck", is very offensive. my <xxx> were hit by a truck and died. how can you be so inconsiderate!?. stop trivializing my pain.
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior.
I bet it doesn't You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol.
And besides, what do you expect? People are going to inject their philosophies and values into any sort of conversation or debate, as well as try to argue from other perspectives. It's really easy to write people off as SJW (not SWJ), but instead you should be focusing on their statements. Saying "lol SJW" is basically an ad hominem.
In Romanian it probably spells out SWJ. I think Romanian is pretty close to Italian, and in Italian it'd be more like "social warrior of justice".
On June 03 2015 03:32 xM(Z wrote: stop with the swj-ing dude. go outside, find a girl, tell her the phrase then ask her is she's offended. is she says "no", slap yourself then move on.
there is no way you can construct a language with a syntax that will be equal(in phrasing) for every stinking human on this planet.
this shit - "Hits like a truck", is very offensive. my <xxx> were hit by a truck and died. how can you be so inconsiderate!?. stop trivializing my pain.
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior.
I bet it doesn't You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol.
And besides, what do you expect? People are going to inject their philosophies and values into any sort of conversation or debate, as well as try to argue from other perspectives. It's really easy to write people off as SJW (not SWJ), but instead you should be focusing on their statements. Saying "lol SJW" is basically an ad hominem.
In Romanian it probably spells out SWJ. I think Romanian is pretty close to Italian, and in Italian it'd be more like "social warrior of justice".
And yet the term is written in English and he found it on TL... but I suppose being Romanian is telling.
On June 03 2015 03:32 xM(Z wrote: stop with the swj-ing dude. go outside, find a girl, tell her the phrase then ask her is she's offended. is she says "no", slap yourself then move on.
there is no way you can construct a language with a syntax that will be equal(in phrasing) for every stinking human on this planet.
this shit - "Hits like a truck", is very offensive. my <xxx> were hit by a truck and died. how can you be so inconsiderate!?. stop trivializing my pain.
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior.
I bet it doesn't You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol.
And besides, what do you expect? People are going to inject their philosophies and values into any sort of conversation or debate, as well as try to argue from other perspectives. It's really easy to write people off as SJW (not SWJ), but instead you should be focusing on their statements. Saying "lol SJW" is basically an ad hominem.
In Romanian it probably spells out SWJ. I think Romanian is pretty close to Italian, and in Italian it'd be more like "social warrior of justice".
And yet the term is written in English and he found it on TL... but I suppose being Romanian is telling.
So your genius argument is "Of course he is sexist, he is romanian!"? Bigoted Nationalism being so much better than bigoted sexism, of course.
On June 03 2015 03:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: [quote]
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior.
I bet it doesn't You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol.
And besides, what do you expect? People are going to inject their philosophies and values into any sort of conversation or debate, as well as try to argue from other perspectives. It's really easy to write people off as SJW (not SWJ), but instead you should be focusing on their statements. Saying "lol SJW" is basically an ad hominem.
In Romanian it probably spells out SWJ. I think Romanian is pretty close to Italian, and in Italian it'd be more like "social warrior of justice".
And yet the term is written in English and he found it on TL... but I suppose being Romanian is telling.
So your genius argument is "Of course he is sexist, he is romanian!"? Bigoted Nationalism being so much better than bigoted sexism, of course.
It's an old, rather stupid meme on TL that Romanians don't get sarcasm. I don't see how that applies here but I am sure that's what he meant.
which was - someone with an infatuation for an/his idea/cause/crusade, whichever that may be)
and never thought it's an actual thing or that it could be a thing with it's own definition, history, background and so on. in romanian it would be: warrior, for, justice, social. i totally misspelled it, my bad, but i was at least half right when i used it (based on its definition). still, i'd like to think that i added something besides sWjs.
On June 03 2015 03:32 xM(Z wrote: stop with the swj-ing dude. go outside, find a girl, tell her the phrase then ask her is she's offended. is she says "no", slap yourself then move on.
there is no way you can construct a language with a syntax that will be equal(in phrasing) for every stinking human on this planet.
this shit - "Hits like a truck", is very offensive. my <xxx> were hit by a truck and died. how can you be so inconsiderate!?. stop trivializing my pain.
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior. i started using it every time people are out of touch with day to day realities. in general, it's ok to theorize ideas/concepts/phrasings and their meanings, but to expect them to apply unconditionally to real life is smugness. the bolded part is your mistake. there is no everyone's. actually, you'd be surprised how less of "everyone's" you have there. i don't know why you like to assume that everyone you perceive as a victim, is on your side or is even a victim.
as an exercise, go to a girl and tell her she has at least one undesirable propriety and see how that goes. i'd be offended.
As I mentioned earlier, there is quite a lot of research done on this, and there is no doubt that there is extensive discrimination going on. It is less clear exactly what the causes are, but there are some studies giving hints about that as well. So instead of these personal attacks about how out of touch I am, I suggest go and check up some of the research, because I assume you haven't. wikipedia is good place to start. As you probably won't click the link, afraid that it'll conflict with your world picture, let me quote the first two sentences:
Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. Sexism affects both men and women, but primarily women.[1][2][3] It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles,[4][5] and may include the belief that one sex or gender is intrinsically superior to another.[6]
I think "throw like a girl" can definitely be assumed to perpetuate stereotypes and gender roles as they mention. But I assume you will dismiss the entire field of research as a bunch of "SJW-ing"?
there is discrimination, there is sexism and women have it worse than men(i never claimed otherwise). i tried to say that you're not fixing those problems and that you are making them worse because you get stuck on syntax and semantics instead of having facts/statistics to back up your claims.
every time i see someone going all out on a phrasing/syntax issue and its offensive value, it's like: hi, don quixote. that's not a dragon.
Edit: about sarcasm + romanian. i don't know if we don't get it but we just don't use it here like you do(every time/with every occasion, just to sound smart and to make others feel stupid. when being or pretending to be smart, we don't enjoy shitting on on the one who doesn't know. being smart is just enough). it's very rarely used here. most of the times an insult or joke is used/preferred. sarcasm is left to literature and politics.
On June 03 2015 19:11 Velr wrote: Calling people out for using the phrase „hits/throws/catches like a girl“ seems not really reasonable to me… FFS i know Girls/Women that use this sentence when they fail badly at throwing/catching).
Is it 100% PC? Probably not. Is it discriminating or anything like that? No. Is it worth making a fuss about? No and you look stupid for doing it. There are many more important battles to fight.
If you live in a society that thinks using a group of people as representative of human weakness, vileness, or negativity; and that it is not only normal, but is a practice you feel should be defended and justified, then you are living in (and enforcing) a society that is discriminatory to that group. It doesn't matter if its calling someone feminine to define them as weak or calling someone a nigger because their skin is dark--your willingness to perform, enforce, and defend that practice is revealing of what your inner intentions, thoughts, and opinions of others are.
On June 03 2015 19:11 Velr wrote: Calling people out for using the phrase „hits/throws/catches like a girl“ seems not really reasonable to me… FFS i know Girls/Women that use this sentence when they fail badly at throwing/catching).
Is it 100% PC? Probably not. Is it discriminating or anything like that? No. Is it worth making a fuss about? No and you look stupid for doing it. There are many more important battles to fight.
If you live in a society that thinks using a group of people as representative of human weakness, vileness, or negativity; and that it is not only normal, but is a practice you feel should be defended and justified, then you are living in (and enforcing) a society that is discriminatory to that group. It doesn't matter if its calling someone feminine to define them as weak or calling someone a nigger because their skin is dark--your willingness to perform, enforce, and defend that practice is revealing of what your inner intentions, thoughts, and opinions of others are.
But girls in general are weak in the sense of physical strenght, your not lying, your not insulting, you are stating a fact. And even them, you are saying it withouth the intention of insulting the "girls" as a whole.
Its like, in spanish, I don't know in other contries, "pinche" is a word that is used as an insult, but it also has another meaning that its one of the assistants of the cook, so dpending on how you use it it could be an insult or not, and in my opinion saying you hit like a girl, is not meant to be an insult towards woman.
On June 03 2015 19:11 Velr wrote: Calling people out for using the phrase „hits/throws/catches like a girl“ seems not really reasonable to me… FFS i know Girls/Women that use this sentence when they fail badly at throwing/catching).
Is it 100% PC? Probably not. Is it discriminating or anything like that? No. Is it worth making a fuss about? No and you look stupid for doing it. There are many more important battles to fight.
If you live in a society that thinks using a group of people as representative of human weakness, vileness, or negativity; and that it is not only normal, but is a practice you feel should be defended and justified, then you are living in (and enforcing) a society that is discriminatory to that group. It doesn't matter if its calling someone feminine to define them as weak or calling someone a nigger because their skin is dark--your willingness to perform, enforce, and defend that practice is revealing of what your inner intentions, thoughts, and opinions of others are.
But girls in general are weak in the sense of physical strenght, your not lying, your not insulting, you are stating a fact. And even them, you are saying it withouth the intention of insulting the "girls" as a whole.
Its like, in spanish, I don't know in other contries, "pinche" is a word that is used as an insult, but it also has another meaning that its one of the assistants of the cook, so dpending on how you use it it could be an insult or not, and in my opinion saying you hit like a girl, is not meant to be an insult towards woman.
And if you called someone a "Broke ass, convict nigga" because statistically, african americans imprisoned and of a lower social class than whites in america--are you being accurate or are you being derogatory?
And if you call someone weak because they embody feminine aspects--are you really calling the person weak, or femininity weak?
On June 03 2015 03:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: [quote]
false equivalency.the phrase "hits like a truck" is not demeaning to trucks and actually has a positive connotation since it implies a truck hits hard.
just like the phrase "hits like a girl" is not demeaning to all girls. that wasn't the point though. i wasn't equivalenting anything. the idea there was about offense/getting offended because that is what is troubling to Thieving Magpie.
my believe is that even if no girl will be offended by the phrase "hits like a girl", Thieving Magpie will still dedicate his life and try to change it based on his own perception of what offense/offensive is/means/entails. i find his whole endeavor futile. i can purposely create offensive phrases just to give meaning to his life. how about that.
i'd work the people and not the phrasing/syntax. once you cure someone of being offended, he will remain like that for life, not until the next offensive catch phrase.
I feel all of you guys are completely missing the point... it is not about offending people.
It is about associating discriminated groups with undesirable properties.
but those undesirable properties could be only in your head. i don't see anyone making polls to find out the amount of girls discriminated and with that particular undesirable propriety; so all everyone is doing here, is assuming stuff then swj-ing because they know better of course.
all i'm saying is that your theory does not (fully)apply to real life but you don't care about that as long as you get your holy war going.
I'm trying to make sense of your post, and I am struggling a bit, partially because I don't know what swj-ing is. I don't care for the personal analysis either, thanks you very much. I think (part of) my point is that the undesirable properties are not only in my head, but in everyones, which may be part of the cause of the discrimination. And gender studies is a huuuuge field of research, so don't be so quick to assume things haven't been done. Not that I understand exactly what you claim hasn't been done though. But I am not sure if that addresses your standpoint. Anyway, I don't see this conversation going anywhere good, so I think I'll just drop it, sorry.
i learned about swj on TL. it means social justice warrior.
I bet it doesn't You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol.
And besides, what do you expect? People are going to inject their philosophies and values into any sort of conversation or debate, as well as try to argue from other perspectives. It's really easy to write people off as SJW (not SWJ), but instead you should be focusing on their statements. Saying "lol SJW" is basically an ad hominem.
In Romanian it probably spells out SWJ. I think Romanian is pretty close to Italian, and in Italian it'd be more like "social warrior of justice".
And yet the term is written in English and he found it on TL... but I suppose being Romanian is telling.
So your genius argument is "Of course he is sexist, he is romanian!"? Bigoted Nationalism being so much better than bigoted sexism, of course.
That is not even close to anything I said lol. I was merely pointing out that Social Justice Warrior is an English phrase and abbreviated as such SJW, and that he may have jumped the gun on his ad hominem claims and misunderstanding statements and that that would have been eerily familiar to the TL joke about Romanians not understanding sarcasm. Not sexism... but it was an off-topic joke that I didn't need to make; sorry for the confusion.
On June 03 2015 19:11 Velr wrote: Calling people out for using the phrase „hits/throws/catches like a girl“ seems not really reasonable to me… FFS i know Girls/Women that use this sentence when they fail badly at throwing/catching).
Is it 100% PC? Probably not. Is it discriminating or anything like that? No. Is it worth making a fuss about? No and you look stupid for doing it. There are many more important battles to fight.
If you live in a society that thinks using a group of people as representative of human weakness, vileness, or negativity; and that it is not only normal, but is a practice you feel should be defended and justified, then you are living in (and enforcing) a society that is discriminatory to that group. It doesn't matter if its calling someone feminine to define them as weak or calling someone a nigger because their skin is dark--your willingness to perform, enforce, and defend that practice is revealing of what your inner intentions, thoughts, and opinions of others are.
But girls in general are weak in the sense of physical strenght, your not lying, your not insulting, you are stating a fact. And even them, you are saying it withouth the intention of insulting the "girls" as a whole.
Its like, in spanish, I don't know in other contries, "pinche" is a word that is used as an insult, but it also has another meaning that its one of the assistants of the cook, so dpending on how you use it it could be an insult or not, and in my opinion saying you hit like a girl, is not meant to be an insult towards woman.
And if you called someone a "Broke ass, convict nigga" because statistically, african americans imprisoned and of a lower social class than whites in america--are you being accurate or are you being derogatory?
And if you call someone weak because they embody feminine aspects--are you really calling the person weak, or femininity weak?
Both. Annnd both. They're not dichotomous, nor are they mutually exclusive.
#100% this keep "hits like a girl" but turn it into something positive. i'm not considering it to be negative or derogatory anyway. just different. different can be good, right?
#100% this keep "hits like a girl" but turn it into something positive. i'm not considering it to be negative or derogatory anyway. just different. different can be good, right?
I would of pegged you as more of the kid at ~1:05 but I'll call this progress.
You sure messed up that acronym a bunch of times lol. 
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