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On September 11 2014 01:43 xM(Z wrote:
it's not an actual product and you can't touch it. you just believe in the definition of it, the definition advertisers gave you.
you're not born with it, it's not a character trait. it's a manufactured illusion who bends your perception.
I agree obviously our perceptions are being influenced by the media and we get definitions from our culture and lots of them are wrong and bad and blah but yours are a weird set of criteria to determine if something exists. like... concepts and theories and emotions and math "exist"
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On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven?
Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done.
Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him.
Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less.
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Please help me... I posted this question in a Dota 2 blog reply, and would really appreciate how to solve this question, thank you! ...
Shoot, I'm trying to think of how to solve this using statistics, and I feel really stupid right now, but I cannot remember.
My question is, what is the chance of the favored team winning a Bo7, if they have a 60% chance to win an individual game.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/juNf9o5.jpg)
Using the binomial distribution formula above, I would sub in x = 4 (as that is the victory condition), and take the sum of subbing in n=4,5,6,7, with the p value being 0.6 obviously. I'm getting wonky results though, and negative binomial distribution doesn't seem correct either (probably because it's used for something completely different).
Going through the distributions I've been taught: beta, chi-square, t, f, error, gamma, weibull, poisson, exponential (special case of gamma), or uniform... Definitely none of those are used to solve the problem. Any help would be much appreciated, it's bugging me too much.  (I'm not trying to solve this with the brute force method, as that is quite easy [but time consuming] with a little branched tree giving all possible events)
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On September 11 2014 06:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:Please help me... I posted this question in a Dota 2 blog reply, and would really appreciate how to solve this question, thank you! ... Show nested quote +
Shoot, I'm trying to think of how to solve this using statistics, and I feel really stupid right now, but I cannot remember.
My question is, what is the chance of the favored team winning a Bo7, if they have a 60% chance to win an individual game.
Using the binomial distribution formula above, I would sub in x = 4 (as that is the victory condition), and take the sum of subbing in n=4,5,6,7, with the p value being 0.6 obviously. I'm getting wonky results though, and negative binomial distribution doesn't seem correct either (probably because it's used for something completely different).
Going through the distributions I've been taught: beta, chi-square, t, f, error, gamma, weibull, poisson, exponential (special case of gamma), or uniform... Definitely none of those are used to solve the problem. Any help would be much appreciated, it's bugging me too much. (I'm not trying to solve this with the brute force method, as that is quite easy [but time consuming] with a little branched tree giving all possible events)
You're getting wonky results because Binom(7,4) doesn't exclude the fact that the team wins all 4 games immediately and thus the next 3 aren't actually played out.
You're looking for 4 successes before 4 failures in sequential Bernoulli trials (and obviously it would be between 4 and 7 total trials).
This smells like some use of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_distribution
Assume all games are played out, even if the team wins 4 in a row and wins it already. This doesn't change the probabilities since the probabilities of a team winning 4-0 or a team winning 4-0 plus all possible sub events are equal.
So just take the CDF of the Binomial for (# heads >=4) or (# tails < 4) where P(heads)=.6 in 7 games
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On September 11 2014 04:11 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven? Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done. Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him. Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less.
Yup. I'm more of the mainstream type, so I'd leave out the "confess with your mouth" (or at least understand it's distinct from some "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior" formula, pointing to the people identified as heaven-bound or highly faithful in the Bible not generally saying--or often even consciously thinking--any such thing).
But otherwise, a decent summary. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who works in you." The grace of God is paramount, but it is ultimately going to come with good works. Of course, because our good works come straight from God, we have no justification for self-righteousness or pretentiousness. We should always seek to do good, not to impress God, but as a thanksgiving offering to God for God's grace in our lives.
As for denominations, pick the one that's right for you. A quick guide below:
+ Show Spoiler +
First off, think of type of church on basically two axis.
One axis is the traditional Catholic to Protestant spectrum.
Catholics think the Pope is the head of the church on earth, heir to the disciple Peter's seat of leadership among the apostles. They are slightly more likely to talk in terms of good works rather than faith, and are more focused on the wisdom of tradition and less so on the authority of the bible. Priests cannot marry and must be men. Aesthetics are often very intricate and grand. The communion (mass) is the center of the service, not the sermon.
Protestants believe in the "priesthood of all believers" and think that religious ceremonies are symbolic rather than miraculous. They tend to place a higher emphasis on the bible and salvation by grace, and correspondingly are more likely to talk in terms of predestination. A simple aesthetic is often preferred, with a liturgical emphasis on the sermon.
In rough order from most Catholicish to most Protestantish:
Catholic
Eastern Orthodox (actually farther Catholic than actual Catholics on ceremonial-ism)
Episcopalian/Anglican (ranges from practically Catholic to actually Presbyterian)
Lutheran
Methodist
Baptist
Presbyterian
The second metric is complicated (I will give extreme and oversimplified descriptions). Think of a triangle:
......................Liberal
...................../...........\
..................../.............\
..Evangelical______Fundamentalist
Mainstream/Mainline is somewhere in the middle.
Liberals tend to focus on Jesus to exclusion of other parts of the bible. Major emphasis on the idea that salvation isn't necessarily about what religion you put on your census form. (Invisible church) Often a very strong emphasis on social justice and poverty reduction. Generally pro-gay and pro-choice. Usually politically liberal.
Evangelicals tend to be more charismatic, modern in form of worship, and have an emphasis on going out and converting people. Megachurches are usually evangelical. Social mission is often minimized, outside of evangelism. Tendency to say fairly little about the Bible at all, and go for a more "experiential" kind of religion. Politically mixed, and often prefer not to talk politics in church.
Prosperity Gospel are an offshoot of Evangelicals who are very insistent that faith will reward you with health and money. Other Christians, even other evengelicals, tend to be skeptical, and point to a lack of biblical grounding.
Fundamentalists are the good old classic bible-beating hellfire-invoking guys (yeah, guys, not so much with the women pastors here). In many ways they look very ultra-catholic in terms of social positions and the insistence of the rectitude of tradition.
Most actual churches are somewhere in the middle, mixing elements. Mainline churches are most central, with a mixture of liberal social positions, the Evangelical aversion to politics, and a concern with the entirety of scripture.
Named denomination usually says very little about position on this spectrum. Look instead for keywords. Numbered churches (First Methodist) are generally liberal or main-line. "Bible" or "Fundamental" mean Fundamentalist. "Non-denominational" or a name that sounds like a brand of juice drink might be evangelical.
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Rofl, I'm not looking to join a religion guys. I posted that as a joke.
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Wow, that was definitely easier than what I would have thought Xes, much appreciated  . Your explanation makes perfect sense, so thank you very much! Can't believe I was getting confused about that. I quickly made a graph to relate the chances of winning an individual game to a series, maybe it helps someone with betting or something (although assuming that games in a series are independent from each other is a hefty assumption).
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/G26RDxo.png)
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On September 11 2014 10:21 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 04:11 Joedaddy wrote:On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven? Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done. Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him. Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less. Yup. I'm more of the mainstream type, so I'd leave out the "confess with your mouth" (or at least understand it's distinct from some "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior" formula, pointing to the people identified as heaven-bound or highly faithful in the Bible not generally saying--or often even consciously thinking--any such thing). But otherwise, a decent summary. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who works in you." The grace of God is paramount, but it is ultimately inseperable from good works. Of course, because our good works come straight from God, we have no justification for self-righteousness or pretentiousness. We should always seek to do good, not to impress God, but as a thanksgiving offering to God for God's grace in our lives. As for denominations, pick the one that's right for you. A quick guide below: + Show Spoiler +
First off, think of type of church on basically two axis.
One axis is the traditional Catholic to Protestant spectrum.
Catholics think the Pope is the head of the church on earth, heir to the disciple Peter's seat of leadership among the apostles. They are slightly more likely to talk in terms of good works rather than faith, and are more focused on the wisdom of tradition and less so on the authority of the bible. Priests cannot marry and must be men. Aesthetics are often very intricate and grand. The communion (mass) is the center of the service, not the sermon.
Protestants believe in the "priesthood of all believers" and think that religious ceremonies are symbolic rather than miraculous. They tend to place a higher emphasis on the bible and salvation by grace, and correspondingly are more likely to talk in terms of predestination. A simple aesthetic is often preferred, with a liturgical emphasis on the sermon.
In rough order from most Catholicish to most Protestantish:
Catholic
Eastern Orthodox (actually farther Catholic than actual Catholics on ceremonial-ism)
Episcopalian/Anglican (ranges from practically Catholic to actually Presbyterian)
Lutheran
Methodist
Baptist
Presbyterian
The second metric is complicated (I will give extreme and oversimplified descriptions). Think of a triangle:
......................Liberal
...................../...........\
..................../.............\
..Evangelical______Fundamentalist
Mainstream/Mainline is somewhere in the middle.
Liberals tend to focus on Jesus to exclusion of other parts of the bible. Major emphasis on the idea that salvation isn't necessarily about what religion you put on your census form. (Invisible church) Often a very strong emphasis on social justice and poverty reduction. Generally pro-gay and pro-choice. Usually politically liberal.
Evangelicals tend to be more charismatic, modern in form of worship, and have an emphasis on going out and converting people. Megachurches are usually evangelical. Social mission is often minimized, outside of evangelism. Tendency to say fairly little about the Bible at all, and go for a more "experiential" kind of religion. Politically mixed, and often prefer not to talk politics in church.
Prosperity Gospel are an offshoot of Evangelicals who are very insistent that faith will reward you with health and money. Other Christians, even other evengelicals, tend to be skeptical, and point to a lack of biblical grounding.
Fundamentalists are the good old classic bible-beating hellfire-invoking guys (yeah, guys, not so much with the women pastors here). In many ways they look very ultra-catholic in terms of social positions and the insistence of the rectitude of tradition.
Most actual churches are somewhere in the middle, mixing elements. Mainline churches are most central, with a mixture of liberal social positions, the Evangelical aversion to politics, and a concern with the entirety of scripture.
Named denomination usually says very little about position on this spectrum. Look instead for keywords. Numbered churches (First Methodist) are generally liberal or main-line. "Bible" or "Fundamental" mean Fundamentalist. "Non-denominational" or a name that sounds like a brand of juice drink might be evangelical.
Speaking to the bolded part for the benefit of those with questions about what it means to be a Christian: I would emphasize that salvation can not come from "good works." But, "good works" can and should be evidence of salvation.
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On September 11 2014 10:40 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 10:21 Yoav wrote:On September 11 2014 04:11 Joedaddy wrote:On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven? Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done. Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him. Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less. Yup. I'm more of the mainstream type, so I'd leave out the "confess with your mouth" (or at least understand it's distinct from some "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior" formula, pointing to the people identified as heaven-bound or highly faithful in the Bible not generally saying--or often even consciously thinking--any such thing). But otherwise, a decent summary. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who works in you." The grace of God is paramount, but it is ultimately inseperable from good works. Of course, because our good works come straight from God, we have no justification for self-righteousness or pretentiousness. We should always seek to do good, not to impress God, but as a thanksgiving offering to God for God's grace in our lives. As for denominations, pick the one that's right for you. A quick guide below: + Show Spoiler +
First off, think of type of church on basically two axis.
One axis is the traditional Catholic to Protestant spectrum.
Catholics think the Pope is the head of the church on earth, heir to the disciple Peter's seat of leadership among the apostles. They are slightly more likely to talk in terms of good works rather than faith, and are more focused on the wisdom of tradition and less so on the authority of the bible. Priests cannot marry and must be men. Aesthetics are often very intricate and grand. The communion (mass) is the center of the service, not the sermon.
Protestants believe in the "priesthood of all believers" and think that religious ceremonies are symbolic rather than miraculous. They tend to place a higher emphasis on the bible and salvation by grace, and correspondingly are more likely to talk in terms of predestination. A simple aesthetic is often preferred, with a liturgical emphasis on the sermon.
In rough order from most Catholicish to most Protestantish:
Catholic
Eastern Orthodox (actually farther Catholic than actual Catholics on ceremonial-ism)
Episcopalian/Anglican (ranges from practically Catholic to actually Presbyterian)
Lutheran
Methodist
Baptist
Presbyterian
The second metric is complicated (I will give extreme and oversimplified descriptions). Think of a triangle:
......................Liberal
...................../...........\
..................../.............\
..Evangelical______Fundamentalist
Mainstream/Mainline is somewhere in the middle.
Liberals tend to focus on Jesus to exclusion of other parts of the bible. Major emphasis on the idea that salvation isn't necessarily about what religion you put on your census form. (Invisible church) Often a very strong emphasis on social justice and poverty reduction. Generally pro-gay and pro-choice. Usually politically liberal.
Evangelicals tend to be more charismatic, modern in form of worship, and have an emphasis on going out and converting people. Megachurches are usually evangelical. Social mission is often minimized, outside of evangelism. Tendency to say fairly little about the Bible at all, and go for a more "experiential" kind of religion. Politically mixed, and often prefer not to talk politics in church.
Prosperity Gospel are an offshoot of Evangelicals who are very insistent that faith will reward you with health and money. Other Christians, even other evengelicals, tend to be skeptical, and point to a lack of biblical grounding.
Fundamentalists are the good old classic bible-beating hellfire-invoking guys (yeah, guys, not so much with the women pastors here). In many ways they look very ultra-catholic in terms of social positions and the insistence of the rectitude of tradition.
Most actual churches are somewhere in the middle, mixing elements. Mainline churches are most central, with a mixture of liberal social positions, the Evangelical aversion to politics, and a concern with the entirety of scripture.
Named denomination usually says very little about position on this spectrum. Look instead for keywords. Numbered churches (First Methodist) are generally liberal or main-line. "Bible" or "Fundamental" mean Fundamentalist. "Non-denominational" or a name that sounds like a brand of juice drink might be evangelical.
Speaking to the bolded part for the benefit of those with questions about what it means to be a Christian: I would emphasize that salvation can not come from "good works." But, "good works" can and should be evidenced as a result of salvation.
Quite right. Edited to clarify that the works are a result of, but are not identical to, salvation by grace.
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On September 11 2014 11:12 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 10:40 Joedaddy wrote:On September 11 2014 10:21 Yoav wrote:On September 11 2014 04:11 Joedaddy wrote:On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven? Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done. Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him. Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less. Yup. I'm more of the mainstream type, so I'd leave out the "confess with your mouth" (or at least understand it's distinct from some "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior" formula, pointing to the people identified as heaven-bound or highly faithful in the Bible not generally saying--or often even consciously thinking--any such thing). But otherwise, a decent summary. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who works in you." The grace of God is paramount, but it is ultimately inseperable from good works. Of course, because our good works come straight from God, we have no justification for self-righteousness or pretentiousness. We should always seek to do good, not to impress God, but as a thanksgiving offering to God for God's grace in our lives. As for denominations, pick the one that's right for you. A quick guide below: + Show Spoiler +
First off, think of type of church on basically two axis.
One axis is the traditional Catholic to Protestant spectrum.
Catholics think the Pope is the head of the church on earth, heir to the disciple Peter's seat of leadership among the apostles. They are slightly more likely to talk in terms of good works rather than faith, and are more focused on the wisdom of tradition and less so on the authority of the bible. Priests cannot marry and must be men. Aesthetics are often very intricate and grand. The communion (mass) is the center of the service, not the sermon.
Protestants believe in the "priesthood of all believers" and think that religious ceremonies are symbolic rather than miraculous. They tend to place a higher emphasis on the bible and salvation by grace, and correspondingly are more likely to talk in terms of predestination. A simple aesthetic is often preferred, with a liturgical emphasis on the sermon.
In rough order from most Catholicish to most Protestantish:
Catholic
Eastern Orthodox (actually farther Catholic than actual Catholics on ceremonial-ism)
Episcopalian/Anglican (ranges from practically Catholic to actually Presbyterian)
Lutheran
Methodist
Baptist
Presbyterian
The second metric is complicated (I will give extreme and oversimplified descriptions). Think of a triangle:
......................Liberal
...................../...........\
..................../.............\
..Evangelical______Fundamentalist
Mainstream/Mainline is somewhere in the middle.
Liberals tend to focus on Jesus to exclusion of other parts of the bible. Major emphasis on the idea that salvation isn't necessarily about what religion you put on your census form. (Invisible church) Often a very strong emphasis on social justice and poverty reduction. Generally pro-gay and pro-choice. Usually politically liberal.
Evangelicals tend to be more charismatic, modern in form of worship, and have an emphasis on going out and converting people. Megachurches are usually evangelical. Social mission is often minimized, outside of evangelism. Tendency to say fairly little about the Bible at all, and go for a more "experiential" kind of religion. Politically mixed, and often prefer not to talk politics in church.
Prosperity Gospel are an offshoot of Evangelicals who are very insistent that faith will reward you with health and money. Other Christians, even other evengelicals, tend to be skeptical, and point to a lack of biblical grounding.
Fundamentalists are the good old classic bible-beating hellfire-invoking guys (yeah, guys, not so much with the women pastors here). In many ways they look very ultra-catholic in terms of social positions and the insistence of the rectitude of tradition.
Most actual churches are somewhere in the middle, mixing elements. Mainline churches are most central, with a mixture of liberal social positions, the Evangelical aversion to politics, and a concern with the entirety of scripture.
Named denomination usually says very little about position on this spectrum. Look instead for keywords. Numbered churches (First Methodist) are generally liberal or main-line. "Bible" or "Fundamental" mean Fundamentalist. "Non-denominational" or a name that sounds like a brand of juice drink might be evangelical.
Speaking to the bolded part for the benefit of those with questions about what it means to be a Christian: I would emphasize that salvation can not come from "good works." But, "good works" can and should be evidenced as a result of salvation. Quite right. Edited to clarify that the works are a result of, but are not identical to, salvation by grace.
Depends on the denomination really.
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On September 11 2014 11:37 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 11:12 Yoav wrote:On September 11 2014 10:40 Joedaddy wrote:On September 11 2014 10:21 Yoav wrote:On September 11 2014 04:11 Joedaddy wrote:On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven? Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done. Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him. Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less. Yup. I'm more of the mainstream type, so I'd leave out the "confess with your mouth" (or at least understand it's distinct from some "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior" formula, pointing to the people identified as heaven-bound or highly faithful in the Bible not generally saying--or often even consciously thinking--any such thing). But otherwise, a decent summary. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who works in you." The grace of God is paramount, but it is ultimately inseperable from good works. Of course, because our good works come straight from God, we have no justification for self-righteousness or pretentiousness. We should always seek to do good, not to impress God, but as a thanksgiving offering to God for God's grace in our lives. As for denominations, pick the one that's right for you. A quick guide below: + Show Spoiler +
First off, think of type of church on basically two axis.
One axis is the traditional Catholic to Protestant spectrum.
Catholics think the Pope is the head of the church on earth, heir to the disciple Peter's seat of leadership among the apostles. They are slightly more likely to talk in terms of good works rather than faith, and are more focused on the wisdom of tradition and less so on the authority of the bible. Priests cannot marry and must be men. Aesthetics are often very intricate and grand. The communion (mass) is the center of the service, not the sermon.
Protestants believe in the "priesthood of all believers" and think that religious ceremonies are symbolic rather than miraculous. They tend to place a higher emphasis on the bible and salvation by grace, and correspondingly are more likely to talk in terms of predestination. A simple aesthetic is often preferred, with a liturgical emphasis on the sermon.
In rough order from most Catholicish to most Protestantish:
Catholic
Eastern Orthodox (actually farther Catholic than actual Catholics on ceremonial-ism)
Episcopalian/Anglican (ranges from practically Catholic to actually Presbyterian)
Lutheran
Methodist
Baptist
Presbyterian
The second metric is complicated (I will give extreme and oversimplified descriptions). Think of a triangle:
......................Liberal
...................../...........\
..................../.............\
..Evangelical______Fundamentalist
Mainstream/Mainline is somewhere in the middle.
Liberals tend to focus on Jesus to exclusion of other parts of the bible. Major emphasis on the idea that salvation isn't necessarily about what religion you put on your census form. (Invisible church) Often a very strong emphasis on social justice and poverty reduction. Generally pro-gay and pro-choice. Usually politically liberal.
Evangelicals tend to be more charismatic, modern in form of worship, and have an emphasis on going out and converting people. Megachurches are usually evangelical. Social mission is often minimized, outside of evangelism. Tendency to say fairly little about the Bible at all, and go for a more "experiential" kind of religion. Politically mixed, and often prefer not to talk politics in church.
Prosperity Gospel are an offshoot of Evangelicals who are very insistent that faith will reward you with health and money. Other Christians, even other evengelicals, tend to be skeptical, and point to a lack of biblical grounding.
Fundamentalists are the good old classic bible-beating hellfire-invoking guys (yeah, guys, not so much with the women pastors here). In many ways they look very ultra-catholic in terms of social positions and the insistence of the rectitude of tradition.
Most actual churches are somewhere in the middle, mixing elements. Mainline churches are most central, with a mixture of liberal social positions, the Evangelical aversion to politics, and a concern with the entirety of scripture.
Named denomination usually says very little about position on this spectrum. Look instead for keywords. Numbered churches (First Methodist) are generally liberal or main-line. "Bible" or "Fundamental" mean Fundamentalist. "Non-denominational" or a name that sounds like a brand of juice drink might be evangelical.
Speaking to the bolded part for the benefit of those with questions about what it means to be a Christian: I would emphasize that salvation can not come from "good works." But, "good works" can and should be evidenced as a result of salvation. Quite right. Edited to clarify that the works are a result of, but are not identical to, salvation by grace. Depends on the denomination really.
Not really. Even Catholic doctrine emphasizes this point, though to a lesser extent than say, Presbyterians. From the Catholic Encyclopedia on Grace: "More important than the moral causality of grace is its physical causality, for man must also receive from God the physical power to perform salutary works. Without it, activity in the order of salvation is not only more difficult and laborious, it is altogether impossible." Salvation is "worked out" as in Philippians, because God is at work in the elect. Chrysostom put it thus: "You do not hold of yourself, but you have received from God. Hence you have received what you possess, and not only this or that, but everything you have. For these are not your own merits, but the grace of God."
It is true that there are some fringe groups that disbelieve these doctrines, but they are common to almost all of Nicene Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, and most Protestant).
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On September 11 2014 12:09 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 11:37 Thieving Magpie wrote:On September 11 2014 11:12 Yoav wrote:On September 11 2014 10:40 Joedaddy wrote:On September 11 2014 10:21 Yoav wrote:On September 11 2014 04:11 Joedaddy wrote:On September 04 2014 00:27 Epishade wrote:
I’m looking to join a christian religion, but there are so many different denominations to choose from. Which one’s the correct one to believe in so that God will let me into Heaven? Don't let denominations get you mixed up~ Religion is about what people do. Christianity is about whats been done. Believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the grave. The gift of salvation is free. You don't earn it by picking the right denomination, or by doing good deeds. You just have to reach out and accept it. Invite Jesus into your heart and you will be in Heaven with him. Remember, Being a Christian doesn't mean you're sinless. But, as Christians, we ought to sin less... and less..... and less. Yup. I'm more of the mainstream type, so I'd leave out the "confess with your mouth" (or at least understand it's distinct from some "I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior" formula, pointing to the people identified as heaven-bound or highly faithful in the Bible not generally saying--or often even consciously thinking--any such thing). But otherwise, a decent summary. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who works in you." The grace of God is paramount, but it is ultimately inseperable from good works. Of course, because our good works come straight from God, we have no justification for self-righteousness or pretentiousness. We should always seek to do good, not to impress God, but as a thanksgiving offering to God for God's grace in our lives. As for denominations, pick the one that's right for you. A quick guide below: + Show Spoiler +
First off, think of type of church on basically two axis.
One axis is the traditional Catholic to Protestant spectrum.
Catholics think the Pope is the head of the church on earth, heir to the disciple Peter's seat of leadership among the apostles. They are slightly more likely to talk in terms of good works rather than faith, and are more focused on the wisdom of tradition and less so on the authority of the bible. Priests cannot marry and must be men. Aesthetics are often very intricate and grand. The communion (mass) is the center of the service, not the sermon.
Protestants believe in the "priesthood of all believers" and think that religious ceremonies are symbolic rather than miraculous. They tend to place a higher emphasis on the bible and salvation by grace, and correspondingly are more likely to talk in terms of predestination. A simple aesthetic is often preferred, with a liturgical emphasis on the sermon.
In rough order from most Catholicish to most Protestantish:
Catholic
Eastern Orthodox (actually farther Catholic than actual Catholics on ceremonial-ism)
Episcopalian/Anglican (ranges from practically Catholic to actually Presbyterian)
Lutheran
Methodist
Baptist
Presbyterian
The second metric is complicated (I will give extreme and oversimplified descriptions). Think of a triangle:
......................Liberal
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..Evangelical______Fundamentalist
Mainstream/Mainline is somewhere in the middle.
Liberals tend to focus on Jesus to exclusion of other parts of the bible. Major emphasis on the idea that salvation isn't necessarily about what religion you put on your census form. (Invisible church) Often a very strong emphasis on social justice and poverty reduction. Generally pro-gay and pro-choice. Usually politically liberal.
Evangelicals tend to be more charismatic, modern in form of worship, and have an emphasis on going out and converting people. Megachurches are usually evangelical. Social mission is often minimized, outside of evangelism. Tendency to say fairly little about the Bible at all, and go for a more "experiential" kind of religion. Politically mixed, and often prefer not to talk politics in church.
Prosperity Gospel are an offshoot of Evangelicals who are very insistent that faith will reward you with health and money. Other Christians, even other evengelicals, tend to be skeptical, and point to a lack of biblical grounding.
Fundamentalists are the good old classic bible-beating hellfire-invoking guys (yeah, guys, not so much with the women pastors here). In many ways they look very ultra-catholic in terms of social positions and the insistence of the rectitude of tradition.
Most actual churches are somewhere in the middle, mixing elements. Mainline churches are most central, with a mixture of liberal social positions, the Evangelical aversion to politics, and a concern with the entirety of scripture.
Named denomination usually says very little about position on this spectrum. Look instead for keywords. Numbered churches (First Methodist) are generally liberal or main-line. "Bible" or "Fundamental" mean Fundamentalist. "Non-denominational" or a name that sounds like a brand of juice drink might be evangelical.
Speaking to the bolded part for the benefit of those with questions about what it means to be a Christian: I would emphasize that salvation can not come from "good works." But, "good works" can and should be evidenced as a result of salvation. Quite right. Edited to clarify that the works are a result of, but are not identical to, salvation by grace. Depends on the denomination really. Not really. Even Catholic doctrine emphasizes this point, though to a lesser extent than say, Presbyterians. From the Catholic Encyclopedia on Grace: "More important than the moral causality of grace is its physical causality, for man must also receive from God the physical power to perform salutary works. Without it, activity in the order of salvation is not only more difficult and laborious, it is altogether impossible." Salvation is "worked out" as in Philippians, because God is at work in the elect. Chrysostom put it thus: "You do not hold of yourself, but you have received from God. Hence you have received what you possess, and not only this or that, but everything you have. For these are not your own merits, but the grace of God." It is true that there are some fringe groups that disbelieve these doctrines, but they are common to almost all of Nicene Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, and most Protestant).
Hence why I said depends which doctrine. I remember reading the original quakers would literally just sit around in a room and not even speak until god himself made them speak. They're no longer like that now--but whole gammut of how much your salvation is connected to works has been explored.
But yes, even Catholic dogma separates works from faith (to a degree) although to a lot more degree than the actual practice of catholicism.
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On September 11 2014 03:48 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 01:43 xM(Z wrote:
it's not an actual product and you can't touch it. you just believe in the definition of it, the definition advertisers gave you.
you're not born with it, it's not a character trait. it's a manufactured illusion who bends your perception. I agree obviously our perceptions are being influenced by the media and we get definitions from our culture and lots of them are wrong and bad and blah but yours are a weird set of criteria to determine if something exists. like... concepts and theories and emotions and math "exist"
for me, there's a clear difference here: things that are not real, that don't exist, have this thing, this attribute-property-like effect that when they disappear, nothing changes.
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When the snow melts, where does the white go ?
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On September 11 2014 22:32 Mackh wrote:
When the snow melts, where does the white go ?
In short, the white is due to light which reflects differently off melted snow. This could be found with a simple google search.
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Read some color theory. Snow isn't emitting white light... As a compound or element changes its crystalline structure, so do its physical properties, one of them being color of course.
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On September 11 2014 22:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:32 Mackh wrote:
When the snow melts, where does the white go ? In short, the white is due to light which reflects differently off melted snow. This could be found with a simple google search.
ask-and-answer-stupid-questions -> I just tried to follow the theme here
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On September 11 2014 22:46 Mackh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 22:38 The_Templar wrote:On September 11 2014 22:32 Mackh wrote:
When the snow melts, where does the white go ? In short, the white is due to light which reflects differently off melted snow. This could be found with a simple google search. ask-and-answer-stupid-questions -> I just tried to follow the theme here
Fair enough, but it's supposed to be for stuff you can't google reliably.
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Wow. So much killing of Joy.
The white from the snow turns into froth on the rivers as the melt makes them rise in their banks. Eventually it makes its way out to the sea, where it drifts down and turns the creatures at the bottom of the ocean as white as snow.
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On September 11 2014 23:03 Yoav wrote:
Wow. So much killing of Joy.
The white from the snow turns into froth on the rivers as the melt makes them rise in their banks. Eventually it makes its way out to the sea, where it drifts down and turns the creatures at the bottom of the ocean as white as snow.
We need an "ask about stupid answers here!" thread.
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