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Smurg
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3818 Posts
February 02 2005 20:45 GMT
#161
Complaining about 15% tax?? I assume you're talking about income tax? Our income tax in Australia is 48.5%.
AirMouse
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada106 Posts
February 02 2005 20:55 GMT
#162
The only regret I have about Canada is the crappy health care system. Although it's free, It can take forever to get into see a specialist or get surgery. Alot of times, It'd be faster/better if I just drove down to USA and paid for it.
softer
Profile Joined January 2005
Norway104 Posts
February 02 2005 21:15 GMT
#163
The thing that really kills me is the insane beer prices we have ;(
Visualize success, but dont believe your eyes
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
February 02 2005 21:28 GMT
#164
On February 03 2005 05:45 Smurg wrote:
Complaining about 15% tax?? I assume you're talking about income tax? Our income tax in Australia is 48.5%.


If your earning over 60,000 a year...

We have a sliding scale you know.

I think we could make some improvements on our treatment of the environment. Australia is such a nice place tho

Oh and wogs do suck ass. Lebs too, or are they wogs?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
February 02 2005 21:30 GMT
#165
The worst thing in our country is most definitely Labor voters tho
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
February 02 2005 21:36 GMT
#166
the thing i hate the most about canada is how the entire nation is forced into this bilingual bullshit, when it's only spoken in two provinces; quebec and new brunswick. New Brunswick is the only province in the entire country that needs bilingulism. other then in montreal, there is very little english used in quebec. and from ontario onward towards the west, there is zero french.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 02 2005 21:41 GMT
#167
On February 02 2005 14:51 Muhweli wrote:
I don't have anything bad to say about finland so i'll do USA instead:
USA is a damn warmongering promised land of extra fat people with no intelligence whatsoever, but a very distorbed picture about their place as the world leaders.


Ill bash Finland for you. They banned Donald Duck for nudism LLOLOL
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 02 2005 21:46 GMT
#168
On February 02 2005 15:21 JazZ[AutO] wrote:
George Bush
Debt
People who think our Country is the best in the world
51% of the country
Anyone who lives in the south except for Florida, and especially Texas and the Bible Belt
Most Republicans
Foreign Policy
George Bush
George Bush's Cabinet
Drinking Age
Constant Wars
Politicians
illegal immigrants
White Trash
Nascar
MTV
American Made Cars
Fat People (Despite what people say they are not even close to a majority)
The huge ammount of people who are very well off and won't share the wealth with the less fortunate
Pop music


I wish everyone would stop bashing the United States, just because of how a certain someone runs the government does not mean everyone agrees with it. All hate leads to is war and that is just useless killing.


hmm well amen.
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 02 2005 21:48 GMT
#169
On February 02 2005 15:35 Smorrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2005 14:34 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Hmm! Crappy politicians, extremist muslims, retarded laws and rules, crappy tv... hmm dunno anything else


Yeah, we're having crappy politicians, extremist muslims and too many turks.. I have to disagree on the laws & rules thing tho.. Compared to other countries I think it's pretty good to live here... having good school support and shit >.< And what's wrong with the TV? ;P


Goede tijden slechte tijden is one of the most viewed shows for 10 years now? Do i need to say more about our tv lol?

Laws and rules suck when im talking about, environment rules, laws on expanding your house, high taxes are ok but they charge texas on insane things like, if your father dies when you inherit his money you must pay tax over that? Thats just ridicoulous.
LazySCV
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
United States2942 Posts
February 02 2005 21:49 GMT
#170
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{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 02 2005 21:50 GMT
#171
On February 02 2005 15:55 jtan wrote:
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On February 02 2005 15:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
our prime minister is a priest
and we have polar bears walking in the street

haha artpost-.-


Their princess is a heroine whore
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 02 2005 21:57 GMT
#172
Oh and to all people complaining about taxes, whiners! Finnish people or swedish people have enourmous taxes if I remember correct. Canadians and Americans have relatively low taxes compared to scandinavia and some other western europe countries. I think

Ironmentality are you aware communism is something different than socialism?
AsHRaK
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland250 Posts
February 02 2005 22:03 GMT
#173
yeah .. but scandinavian avarage salary is also enourmous .
come play my game.
FBS1
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom875 Posts
February 02 2005 22:14 GMT
#174
UK

Sporting facilities.
Shitty broadband.
Shit weather.
Channel 5.
The cost of driving.
Shitty police force.
Overpaid train drivers. 30 grand they get.
Total bollox public transport. _Very_ unfriendly staff. Unreliable buses and trains. Expensive.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
February 02 2005 22:16 GMT
#175
On February 02 2005 15:07 Famouzze wrote:
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On February 02 2005 15:06 Energies wrote:
Aboriginals.


aren't those the people who owned your country in the first place, and you white ppl stole it from them?


The didn't own shit they just occupied it. Is it too much to ask to not commit crimes learn proper english and at least once in a while...bathe?
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
February 02 2005 22:34 GMT
#176
On February 03 2005 07:16 Energies wrote:
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On February 02 2005 15:07 Famouzze wrote:
On February 02 2005 15:06 Energies wrote:
Aboriginals.


aren't those the people who owned your country in the first place, and you white ppl stole it from them?


The didn't own shit they just occupied it. Is it too much to ask to not commit crimes learn proper english and at least once in a while...bathe?


The High Court actually ruled the notion of Terran Nullis void, and that Aboriginal Native Title does exist.

I suppose one could say the Aboriginals do have a good claim to Australia, but we (the evil white rulers) refuse to give it back. The whole situation is a joke.

Our judges and legal system are way too soft. Lenient sentences for criminals and left wing hippy judges are ruining us!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-02 22:39:49
February 02 2005 22:35 GMT
#177
On February 03 2005 01:19 IronMentality wrote:
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On February 02 2005 21:25 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On February 02 2005 20:48 IronMentality wrote:
I flipping hate tax and spend Liberals who want to raise taxes on everyone to pay for health care for the already middle class and rich people.

I hate Liberal people who think Ronald Reagan was an idiot when the Middle Class had the most wealth, and more people climbed from poor to middle class and wealthier income brackets then during any other adminstration in U.S. history.

Bill Clinton was a horrible President because he did jack shit after the 1993 WTC Bombing in our country that was meant to be a 9/11, 3 embassies lost overseas, had multiple chances to take out Osama and the Al-Qaeda network while it was still developing and did nothing for fear of 'hitting a mosque,' in particular after we accidentally hit a Chinese embassay. Same goes for how our air traffic security system was structured, we still only allow 2 Arab people to be searched before entering the plane, because Liberals don't want to be racist despite roughly 99.9% of the people trying to kill American interests are Islamic Extremists.

I hate people who say the American economy is the worst since the Great Depression when unemployment is roughly 5.4%, and anything around 5% is considered full employment of the population.

I hate how our tax system has been structured since under JFK that allowed outsourcing companies to start up in 1992 from a former General Electric Executive to start taking American manufacturing jobs for everything from textiles to microprocessing, to aerospace boards, to now even automobiles and airplanes.

90% of what was made in the U.S. was consumed by Americans in 1995, since NAFTA it's dropped to 75%.

I hate how President Bush spent way too much money, we need to be more fiscally conservative to the ideals of Ronald Reagan who left a $550M surplus as a two-term governor of California, the largest state in the U.S. in the 70s. Cutting taxes during wartime is fine, but we didn't have to spend so much on ridiculous BS.

What's even worse is the pork barrel spending. What, $20B a year is wasted for congressmen helping there consitutents? Maybe this could be used to give health care to all the uninsured Americans with low cost drugs, not making a park look nicer.

No Federal Education Standards, while America has the finest educational Colleges on the face of the Earth, our High School students and younger aren't learning the proper material and are far behind the rest of the world.

I don't like how America won't add Poland to it's special VISA program, as Poland has been a staunch ally of the U.S. -- and would've been I think the only country in Europe to re-elect President Bush if they had a say in the election last Nov. (I'm also 90% Polish and my great grandfather nearly died getting to the U.S. from there)

I hate how people say we should reduce defense spending, or say the U.S. is purely an imperialistic country...

We helped stop advancement of imperalism in World War 1. In World War 2 we freed Europe from fascism. We then gave out the Marshall Plan and took Europe from poverty to prosperity. We also freed more in Europe under the evil grasp of Communism from the Soviet Union... I don't know any other country before in the past willingly gave money to a country as Japan and helped build it into one of the largest economic powers after it was destroyed...

God damn, if we wanted oil we could just forcefully take it or drill it ourselves...

I'd love to drill for our own oil in Alaska but liberals/Democrats won't let it happen. (hopefully it does now)

Oh, I'd also like to build a Oil Refinery for once in the United States. Oil a barrel should be $35 not upwards to $50 but a Oil Refinery hasn't been built in the U.S. since 1976 (start of the Carter adminstration). Then maybe our airline industry will be profitable again. I hate Democrats for not allowing this to happen.

I hate how we don't offer more tax breaks or subsidize more research into Hybrid Cars/Hydrogen Fuel Cells. We shouldn't be dependent on other people for our energy and the environment should be cleaner. Let American companies flippin do research to make the world more clean from fossil fuels. There the best to do the task...

Oh well, that's just a rough put together of things.


Apart from the rather vulgar taste in categorizing people and expressing no shortage of hatred for various such categories, there are several faults in your claims:

1) Reagan's fiscal conservatism really can't be substantiated in his presidency. Both national spending and deficit increased radically during his presidency.
2) The First World War had almost nothing to do with Imperialism, nor did it stop imperialism.
3) Although the contributions of the United States in WW2 fundamentally affected the post-war geopolitical conditions, "freeing" Europe from "fascism" is rather characteristic of the imbecile political categories which have unfortunately been the dominant trend of American nationalistic thinking in recent times.
4) The United States had nearly nothing to do with "freeing" Europe from "communism", which was largely accomplished by the voluntary Soviet withdraw from Europe, but did much to contribute to the causes of the cold war in the beginning.
5) Your use of historical examples are selective and dishonest at best, rather representative of a kind of idealism-cum-nationalism which has plagued the country for a century.

There's not too much else I can disagree with in your post, apart from rather obvious exaggerated claims such as "people who say the American economy is the worst since the Great Depression when unemployment is roughly 5.4%, and anything around 5% is considered full employment of the population."




Hrm. When Germany is marching in Downtown Paris, and England is down to it's last $2 Billion Dollars, and FDR starts the Lend-Lease Act to help them out, I'd say the U.S. fighting off Imperialist Japan and Germany is infact, freeing Europe from fascism.

As is the Marshall Plan. When Communist parties are getting large percentages of elections and Europe lays in poverty, we simply built Europe. There is no arguing that.

The United States outspending the Soviet Union on defense weaponry led to the collapse of the Soviet Union itself. The U.S.S.R. spent 50% of it's GDP on Nuclear Weapons and its military funding. However, there economy was no where close to our size after it boomed in the 1950s, 60s under JFK, early to mid 70s under Nixon, and the greatest expansionist years (1982-1989) of U.S. economic history, the Reagan years.

As far as Reagan's fiscal conservatism. He left a $550M surplus as a two term governor of California. And just in case anyone forgot, the Democrats controlled Congress from the Great Depression up until 1994 when the Republicans finally won a majority under Bill Clinton's Democratic presidency in both the House and Senate.

The Republican Congress would go on to shutdown HillaryCare, or the nationalization of 1/7th of the U.S. economy (Health Care obviously), keep tax rates low, CUT spending, and bring about the budget surpluses of the 1990s.

To suggest the U.S. had nothing to do with freeing Europe from communism is ridiculous. Please, how many people would still be living in poverty in Eastern Europe today if the U.S. did not challenge the Soviet Union. Hell, if we did nothing, they'd have an oil monopoly in the Middle East at the present moment.

As far as the economy, it's been growing I think on average of around 4% since a few quarters after 9/11. That's unbelievable growth, period.


FDR's switch from neutrality to non-belligerency (in actuality, undeclared war) was resolved upon long after the fall of Paris and when it became clear that Britain would sustain her will to resist Germany. Neither the Lend-Lease nor the destroyer for bases deal were very significant in the outcome of the war (on the other hand, the sending of millions of American soldiers which you do not mention was). The United States had a large part to play in the "liberation of Europe" but to this date the Soviet invasion of East Germany is called the "liberation of East Germany", not meaning very much. Meaning even less is the ideological category of Fascism, which is inaccurately attributed to every non-leftist dictatorship. Then again, the principle point is that the United States largely relied on the Red army as the principle instrument of winning the war in Europe.

The nonsense about Reagan's arms build-up forcing the Soviet Union into bankrupcy is one of those idiotic nationalistic legends which is only believed incidentally by ideologues. To compare the GNP of the Soviet Union to the United States is disingenious. One might similarly claim that Germany should have bankrupted the USSR into the ground in the 1940s. I understand that people take a liking to kicking the fallen enemy when he's down, but patriotic myths have to yield to more realistic evidence. Neither Reagan nor the CIA foresaw the collapse of the Soviet Union even when the event was occuring under their noses. Relatively speaking, the GNP ratios of the USSR and the United States were more favorable to the USSR in 1980 than any time in history:

GNPs in 1950
USA: 381 billion
USSR: 126 billion
in 1980:
USA: 2.6 trillion
USSR: 1.2 trillion

Relative Shares of Gross World Product
1960- USA: 25.9%, USSR: 12.5%
1970- USA: 23.0%, USSR: 12.4%
1980- USA: 21.5%, USSR: 11.4%

Therefore the claim that US economic growth was superior to Soviet growth during the cold war cannot really be substantiated. Furthermore by the 80s the USSR became the world's largest producer of steel, petrol, and other strategic resources traditionally led by the USA.

If we analyse Reagan's speeches and public statements, they reveal nothing about an economic policy designed to force the USSR on the defensive.

Instead, if you were not unduly prejudiced against the USSR, and instead analysed the internal history of the country, it would become evident that the broad corrosion in faith against the state and self-consciousness of party corruption were the principle events which led Gorbachev to declare his glasnost and perestroika policies, largely without external pressures, which led to the massive erosion which the USSR experienced in the later decade.

There seems to be a double standard played here. You say that the democrats controlled congress then, whereas Republicans control congress now and we have yet to see a decrease in spending. It's undeniable that Reagan himself pushed the military budget to unprecedented proportions. It's also undeniable that the double standard played; whereas Reagan gets credit for statistical growth, democrats get censured for deficit spending.

Since you're fond of statistics, I would like to point out that nowhere in Eastern Europe have GNPs radically improved from the 80's. In many cases they are worse off. The greatest aid given to the former Eastern Bloc following the collapse of the USSR was not the United States but the FRG.
How did the United States contribute to the division of Europe?
During the Second World War, Roosevelt (and the American public as a whole) regarded the Soviet Union as the principle ally, often ahead of Britain. There came also the utopian vision that constrained around the international body of the United nations, the Soviet Union would become a cooperate member of the international community and therefore post-war territorial arrangements were placed on a basis of good faith rather than prearranged agreements. (Roosevelt did not understand Stalin nor the Russians, but Churchill did. Hence the infamous percentages agreement in 1944.) This inability to negotiate the limits of Soviet military advance until the very end of the war was a prime factor in the division of Europe into east and west blocs. During the 50s, the Eisenhower administration refused to take seriously Khruschev's efforts at detente, even when the latter voluntarily withdrew from her finnish naval bases and Austria. The problem of the Cold War was never communism and capitalism, the contest of two economic systems. The problem was the military presence of two superpowers in the center of Europe. The Roosevelt and Eisenhower did not understand this, Ronald Reagan did not understand this and I am afraid you do not understand this.

Suffice it to say that its ridiculous to claim that the USSR would have a monopoly on mideastern oil. As early as the 40s she withdrew from Iran, which was the last instance of Soviet military presence in the mid east (as opposed to the United States), apart from various half-hearted attempts to woo the Arab states and Egypt, the only other intrusion of the Soviet Union south of her frontiers was the war in Afghanistan.
SeBASTa
Profile Joined September 2003
China1147 Posts
February 02 2005 22:36 GMT
#178
i bash China(mainland) for:
-its corrupted bureaucracy(most serious in central and west china)
-in some metropolitans,there're lots of arrogant people who think they are leading a perfect life style.....
-CCP want to attack Taiwan by force
-I guess CCP will deprive HongKong of its autonomy 40 years later......

En Taro Terran
Aqeloutro
Profile Joined October 2002
Spain614 Posts
February 02 2005 22:39 GMT
#179
Too much D's on our xDDDD's
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
February 02 2005 23:29 GMT
#180
Hum when it come to taxes, when we buy anything, we get a 15 % taxes.

Each year, the government takes a part of my dad salary ( they take everyone salary), which is 52 % for him.
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