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On June 06 2011 09:45 TALegion wrote:
Okay, i'm probably going to regret asking this, but I don't see how this is SUCH a big deal.
It was a prank, was it not? Not malicious, aggressive, sexual intent.
Gender is irrelevant. They weren't raping the kid. It was a prank. If it were men and they were fairly and correctly judged, it'd still be just a prank.
Maybe it was a bit vicious of a prank, but people here are saying they should go to jail, get raped, and are comparable to murderers. I honestly don't get why people are reacting to harshly. It was a fucking prank. Some people do get carried away when commenting on threads like this (I won't speculate as to why that is), but I still don't think the subject should be dismissed as an innocent prank.
When a prank involves sexual harassment, and is uploaded online for all to see (potentially scarring the victim for life socially and emotionally), things becomes a little more serious. Serious enough to press charges? It's not my place to say. Serious enough to take some disciplinary measures and start a conversation? Absolutely.
There is no question about it, the consequences would have been far greater if the genders were reversed. That in itself is an interesting phenomenon, and perhaps something to think about. If gender equality is selective, why do we even use the word equality?
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Asjo dropping knowledge.
As the days go by, fewer and fewer people on this forum can present a point in a valid manner and provide interesting reads. Thank you, sir.
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On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand.
This is basically how I feel.
If it was 3, 14 year old boys who've done it, the media would go into a feeding frenzy over it. I still can't believe the mother of the victim, words escape me.
Also to the people saying "he liked it". How the hell do you know if he liked it? He just got publicly humiliated. He got pinned down by 3 girls. Stripped naked, while they taped it and then they uploaded the video to you tube(which got removed). What in the world makes you think he would like being humiliated like this? Either some people here are trolling or got a few screws loose in their head.
This was no prank. The girls knew what they were doing, they held him down, stripped him all the while they taped the event. Then they uploaded the video to youtube for everyone to see. This does not even fit into the category of a prank, this is bullying to an extreme. Just like not long ago with the other bullying case we had where the kid slammed the bully onto the concrete.
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On June 06 2011 10:57 Eknoid4 wrote:
Males complaining about gender double standards is pretty hilarious.
if you're a white male you benefit from double standards more than any other demographic in the country.
[citation needed]
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On June 06 2011 10:08 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 09:50 Brethern wrote:On June 06 2011 09:45 TALegion wrote:
Okay, i'm probably going to regret asking this, but I don't see how this is SUCH a big deal.
It was a prank, was it not? Not malicious, aggressive, sexual intent.
Gender is irrelevant. They weren't raping the kid. It was a prank. If it were men and they were fairly and correctly judged, it'd still be just a prank.
Maybe it was a bit vicious of a prank, but people here are saying they should go to jail, get raped, and are comparable to murderers. I honestly don't get why people are reacting to harshly. It was a fucking prank. So is I set fire to your car I shouldn't go to jail if no body got hurt? Tangible damage isn't really applicable in this situation. And why are people to so fucking convinced that this kid is emotional wrecked and scarred for life? For all anyone here knows, he'll be fine in a month. He's in 5th grade. He can rebound pretty quickly.
Maybe because they were molested as kids?
It's the internet and most are agreeing on something.
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i haven't really read most of the comments... but i get the sense that everyone here thinks the girls should be subjected to more punishment than they got
the crime IS the attitude...are you saying manslaughter is the same as first degree murder? *sorry, i have a very sarcastic side, which literally just wants to type its way in here...just imagine what i could say here...patience is a thing i need to learn...argghgahgasg...anyways i'm being serious here...*
say 3 boys stripped a girl and taped it without her consent
there would be the REASONABLE assumption that the motive was sexual exploitation...
check the news next time and see if you can find a case where an underaged girl was stripped just for humiliation by men...actually you'll be lucky to find even a single case...most cases will be rape...and it happens EVERY day.
our scenario is BULLYING...the girls had no other intentions in mind
nowhere do i see the girls stripping the boy in order to SODOMIZE him. if this were their intention, then yes, they should be prosecuted to the fullest degree. It's really sad how people are over-reacting as if it's a gender equality issue...well i'm glad about the discourse... i just want to propose the idea that the two genders deserve the same rights and punishments...however due to certain historical circumstances, we have to observe that when a male gender perpertrates a crime it's usually for worse intentions than the female gender...if we can PROVE the girls had some intention of raping the boy, then yes, they really deserve some cell time and the heat they are getting. however this is quite difficult, due to the good behavior that the vast majority of females show.
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On June 06 2011 11:22 IzieBoy wrote:our scenario is BULLYING...the girls had no other intentions in mind
nowhere do i see the girls stripping the boy in order to SODOMIZE him. if this were their intention, then yes, they should be prosecuted to the fullest degree. The way you say that, it sounds as though nothing short of rape and murder should be punished.
So if someone were to restrain you in the middle of the street and strip you naked, then post the video of it online, you'd be perfectly fine with that, as long as they had no other intentions in mind?
It's a violation of basic personal rights. That doesn't become acceptable just because someone thought it would be funny.
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On June 05 2011 16:02 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 15:59 MethodSC wrote:
The girls should be expelled at the very least. If this was 3 boys on 1 girl there would be so much outcry the boys would probably spend time in juvy along with many many charges. Equal crime requires equal punishment, regardless of who is committing it. There should be no use of double standards since every person has equal rights. If they lived in Edmonton they would have been. According to the OP video, the school says they "can't charge them because it was off school property" but every fight ever found out about by the Edmonton Public Schoolboard has everyone fighting and anyone witnessing getting either an expulsion or heavy suspesions. On the way to, on the way from, or in the midst of any potential school activity is under school jurisdiction as far as any bullying is concerned. I even know someone who got suspended for flaming someone else on facebook when I was in highschool.
Not entirely I was routinely beat up after school in elementary here in Edmonton and the teachers wouldn't do anything about it because it was off school property. That I don't care about to much because one of them got/is heavily addicted to hard drugs while the other one OD'd . Although my dad who crusaded against the system to help make it so hard assed like it is now.
Incidents like this also happened to me in middle school (albeit not nearly as extreme) where I was picked on by a bunch older girls. To the people here saying things like you should have been stronger, wtf man, being stronger than people older and therefor much more developed than you BEFORE you hit puberty; because that's reasonable. Girls at that age are absolutely vicious and are more developed than boys in that age group.
It is reasonable to expect though that the schools should have power over incidents that happen both at school and transport to and from it, anything less would be just lazy and criminally negligent. There needs to be a drastic shift in how societies deal with bullying starting asap, show people that just because things seem historically ironic doesn't make them right. Punish these girls as you would anyone at that age and mental capacity who had completely humiliated some one like that.
To those he say they would have enjoyed it: good for you, you probably would have. However he clearly didn't enjoy it, he was the one in that situation not you.
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i agree that this is absolutely ridiculous that these 3 girls would get away with it but if three boys did that they'd pretty much be castrated and put on some sex offender list.
plus those florescent green and blue crocks are horrible.
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On June 06 2011 11:39 Synistre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:22 IzieBoy wrote:our scenario is BULLYING...the girls had no other intentions in mind
nowhere do i see the girls stripping the boy in order to SODOMIZE him. if this were their intention, then yes, they should be prosecuted to the fullest degree. The way you say that, it sounds as though nothing short of rape and murder should be punished. So if someone were to restrain you in the middle of the street and strip you naked, then post the video of it online, you'd be perfectly fine with that, as long as they had no other intentions in mind? It's a violation of basic personal rights. That doesn't become acceptable just because someone thought it would be funny.
you have a good point. regardless of intentions, their actions are wrong.
however, i think there are still 3 points that bothers me
1) if i were violated, i think it's my call whether to forgive or not..
the mom of the boy has the right to pardon the girls (assuming she's acting out the boy's will) without facing so much heat from the public
2) if it were 3 boys who did this, they would be judged based on the assumption that they had worse intentions than girls.. whether this is gender inequality is debatable
3) the root of this problem is still unclear... it seems to derive from some kind of win-lose desire to feel schadenfreude... if people can all work together for win-win and to trust each other, this world would be a more productive place.
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On June 05 2011 20:43 nihlon wrote:Feminists are also not a hive mind and the action of a few doesn't not represent all of them. Just like atheists or other groups where a wide range of people fall under.
The actions of a majority or substantial minority, however, do.
It's reasonably accurate to say that atheists would probably react negatively towards school-sanctioned prayer, no?
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In what world is this a fucking harmless prank? 3 kids intentionally video taping an act that is literally one fucking step away from what is rape. Sure it's 3 girls, but for fucks sake had it been 3 guys on 1 girl it the news would have taken it so much further than just a prank.
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IMO, if 3 older boys took the clothes off of a girl, but didn't rape her... it'd still be charged as a rape crime. IMO, this isn't really bullying, it's more like some sort of torture.
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On June 06 2011 04:48 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:58 King[Neikos] wrote:On June 06 2011 03:47 Euronyme wrote:On June 06 2011 03:37 King[Neikos] wrote:On June 06 2011 03:25 Phenny wrote:
To be fair, I highly doubt many people would tell their parents if this happened to them. Based purely on what I know about people and nothing substantive but I feel strongly that this would be the case. Thats my point, you cant say you know you son/daughter better than anyone else when they dont even trust you for delicate or sensitive matters. And that is the case as you just said with most people, parents are the ones that often know less about their own children. On June 06 2011 03:26 Euronyme wrote:
America's justice system is based around 'eye for an eye' and revenge. Ofcourse that would be the reason. What else?
It doesn't help the boy and it doesn't help the girls. How it doesnt help the boy? help me here i fail to see the logic in that, offenders are walking away without consequences after committing a crime, which tells them and any other person in the country that they are free to do that as many times as they want without having to worry about anything. To me it helps the boy showing him that the system and society in which he lives in punishes this kind of acts being done to other people, and it helps the girls shown them that they cant just do whatever the hell they want with other people. LOL. You're talking as if this was a murder by some hardcore batshit child abuser. It was a couple of young girls force undressing a young boy. You really want that to go through the justice system? "offenders walking away without consequences after commiting a crime".. Wow seriously? They're kids for christ sakes. Justice to me is not about punishment, it's about helping people. I don't think this is a serious enough crime (honestly, is it even a crime?) to warrant being called a criminal. Might as well sue the toddler who finger painted on your walls for disturbing of peace, and destroying private property. If a law exist against it you could do it, crime is a crime, and it warrants punishment from the law that is there to prevent that from happening and to punish (sorry for being redundant) the individuals that do it. Their kids? thats all? so, what if they shot at someone? their kids so its okay? and dont come saying its a different matter, its a crime, law exist, law should be enforced and criminals judged. What if they were all grown ups, 20-30 years, wouldnt it be a crime? wouldnt the victim take it to the court? why is it different just because "they are kids". Enlighten me on how justice helps people be letting them walk off like they hadnt do anything. Are you seriously saying that shooting someone and taking off someones clothes is the same thing, and should deserve the same punishment? Haha you can't get much action with the ladies I guess ^^ It is different because kids have worse judgement, and should be excused in a bigger extent. Are you serious? "Why is it different because they're kids [...] instead of being 20-30". This has gotta be the most fucking stupid question /statement in the entire thread. Alot of people do stupid shit when they're kids that they would never do when they get older.
Why do you quote to respond when you arent even reading what i write? Where am i saying both crimes deserve the same punishment? im saying both actions are crimes, and as crimes they deserve judgement. Again your argument is pointless, you just say because they are kids things are different, so again, enlighten me, if a kid kills someone does it have less impact because they are kids and they do stupid stuff when they are young? A crime is a crime, then fact that some crimes might be worse than others, does not make lesser crimes stop being crimes. And this time please, read before answering.
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On June 06 2011 12:03 IzieBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:39 Synistre wrote:On June 06 2011 11:22 IzieBoy wrote:our scenario is BULLYING...the girls had no other intentions in mind
nowhere do i see the girls stripping the boy in order to SODOMIZE him. if this were their intention, then yes, they should be prosecuted to the fullest degree. The way you say that, it sounds as though nothing short of rape and murder should be punished. So if someone were to restrain you in the middle of the street and strip you naked, then post the video of it online, you'd be perfectly fine with that, as long as they had no other intentions in mind? It's a violation of basic personal rights. That doesn't become acceptable just because someone thought it would be funny. you have a good point. regardless of intentions, their actions are wrong. however, i think there are still 3 points that bothers me 1) if i were violated, i think it's my call whether to forgive or not.. the mom of the boy has the right to pardon the girls (assuming she's acting out the boy's will) without facing so much heat from the public 2) if it were 3 boys who did this, they would be judged based on the assumption that they had worse intentions than girls.. whether this is gender inequality is debatable 3) the root of this problem is still unclear... it seems to derive from some kind of win-lose desire to feel schadenfreude... if people can all work together for win-win and to trust each other, this world would be a more productive place.
Addressing point 1, she does have the call if the criteria you stated has been filled.
However, we, as the public, have the right to express what we think about her decision. Frankly, I think its foolish not to press charges. She has every right not to press charges, but I can still say what I think about them.
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It is so refreshing to see the mother not pressing charges. Americans are way to court happy. I know if i was that kid i would flip on my parents if they pressed charges.
People shouldnt compare boys doing this to a girl and girls doing this to a boy because it isn't the same as much as we would like it to be.
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On June 06 2011 13:19 splinter9 wrote:
It is so refreshing to see the mother not pressing charges. Americans are way to court happy. I know if i was that kid i would flip on my parents if they pressed charges.
And if it was your daughter being stripped by three older boys?
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On June 06 2011 13:21 Nightfall.589 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:19 splinter9 wrote:
It is so refreshing to see the mother not pressing charges. Americans are way to court happy. I know if i was that kid i would flip on my parents if they pressed charges. And if it was your daughter being stripped by three older boys?
that a different situation i wouldn't be happy with that.
in the neighborhood i grew up in you may as well kiss your social life good bye if you ratted on a couple of girls.
The mother also doesn't want the girls to go un punished she just doesn't want to press charges.
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OP, the mothers response is fine. She probably knows these girls' parents. They are all kids. People need to learn to not be so quick to jump to legal action when a situation can be handled in a civilized manner among a community.
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On June 05 2011 14:50 Sephy69 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand. This is exactly what's wrong with the world -_-
yeah, that is really screwed up
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