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A very important thing to add, if this hadnt been said.
Run on gravel or something else soft surface. You will kill your knees and legs from continues impacts on asphalt!
Maybe yes diet is good for weight loss, but you will need to step up your eating anyways, and you might kill your muscles if you dont eat enought.
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On June 02 2011 14:57 inimenesc wrote: This is quite good but i am wondering, is 10-30min running a day enought cardio for elite squads? I do about 6h(3x2h) cardio every week + 5x5 gym workout(x3 a week), it is hard, but i like it.
What are elite squads?
On June 02 2011 14:54 StorkHwaiting wrote: Who in the bloody hell regularly eats 4000 calories? Holy jesus.
Doubt many people average 4000 cals a day, but I've seen plenty who eat this number one a somewhat consistent basis. I mean just two meals eating out and you have about hit it. Guarantee you there are tons of people eating 3000 calories a day on a regular basis which is really an insane number for a sedentary person.
On June 02 2011 14:47 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 13:58 forgotten0ne wrote: The recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply gave what I did, and said several times that it was extreme. Yes a guy posting unhealthy health advices with stupid pseudo scientific stuff like "drink gallons of water everyday" does prove the stupidity of the internet. You're doing much more harm than good. If anyone wants to lose weight. Just go to a real doctor. Don't ever take health advices from random unknowns the internets.
Agree with this for things like specifically what to eat, or exactly how much to eat. That said, you can learn plenty of basic nutritional concepts and intelligent eating concepts from the internet if your smart and don't blindly accept everything you read as fact.
Things like understanding what causes weight loss, or basics or portion sizes and calorie estimation are more than learn able from right off the web.
On June 02 2011 15:08 inimenesc wrote: A very important thing to add, if this hadnt been said.
Run on gravel or something else soft surface. You will kill your knees and legs from continues impacts on asphalt!
Maybe yes diet is good for weight loss, but you will need to step up your eating anyways, and you might kill your muscles if you dont eat enought.
While saying it will kill your knees and legs is a bit of an overstatement, it is still incredibly valid point. If you have access to dirt or grass trails they are much better to run on as the impact force if absorbed much better which drastically reduces the chance for running related injuries.
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"and am training to become an Officer in the U.S. Air Force, whom will one day compete for a position in one of the most elite teams in the world: USAF Pararescue."
And for asphalt, i did running on asphalt, every day 6.2km, about 45mins normal jog.
It was hard on my knees, maybe because i am 2.03m tall!
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but in order to have motivation, you need to be healthy
completely untrue.
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Probably the best advice I can give for losing weight: start with fasting for a few days, so your body gets used to feeling hunger. Then when you resume eating, drop breakfast and dinner completely, get a decent meal for lunch, doesn't even matter much what it is, can be McDonalds or a Pizza if you feel like it. Some small snacks are fine if you feel like it, however just eating once a day to me at least seemed to be the easiest. (Alternatively you can eat normally for a day, then fast the next day, etc, this is probably healthier, however, harder to keep up) Healthy? Probably not. But your weight will drop like a stone. I went from 129kg to 95kg in less than half a year.
Don't bother with exercise before your weight is low enough to allow you to exercise without getting injured or just putting yourself off exercise forever. Once you do start exercising, resume eating three times a day, just watch the total calorie count.
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On June 02 2011 13:54 Voltaire wrote: You don't lose weight by: Lifting weights Doing situps Doing pushups Going on diets without exercising
mod edit - terrible image.
I don't know how you do push-ups, sit-ups, or lift weights without burning calories, but I think you might be doing it wrong.
And "you don't lose weight by going on diets without exercising"? How do you think people starve to death?
If you use more calories than you take in, you lose weight. Simple as that.
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On June 02 2011 15:13 inimenesc wrote: "and am training to become an Officer in the U.S. Air Force, whom will one day compete for a position in one of the most elite teams in the world: USAF Pararescue."
And for asphalt, i did running on asphalt, every day 6.2km, about 45mins normal jog.
It was hard on my knees, maybe because i am 2.03m tall!
You were curious if 10-30 minutes a day was enough to be in the squad. Question comes down to what sort of times do you need to run to be able to get in?
I would say 30-60 minutes per day of running would be much better, especially since your talking about a career that requires good fitness.
On June 02 2011 15:18 sulliwan wrote: Probably the best advice I can give for losing weight: start with fasting for a few days, so your body gets used to feeling hunger. Then when you resume eating, drop breakfast and dinner completely, get a decent meal for lunch, doesn't even matter much what it is, can be McDonalds or a Pizza if you feel like it. Some small snacks are fine if you feel like it, however just eating once a day to me at least seemed to be the easiest. (Alternatively you can eat normally for a day, then fast the next day, etc, this is probably healthier, however, harder to keep up) Healthy? Probably not. But your weight will drop like a stone. I went from 129kg to 95kg in less than half a year.
Don't bother with exercise before your weight is low enough to allow you to exercise without getting injured or just putting yourself off exercise forever. Once you do start exercising, resume eating three times a day, just watch the total calorie count.
Sorry, but this just isn't smart. As you say its not healthy which makes it a bad way to lose weight. Yes you'll probably lose weight doing this since its hard to eat 2000+ calories in one sitting, but I suspect most people will have a hard time actually following this, your going to be damn hungry most the time.
It also doesn't address the real issue at hand which is poor eating habits. It replaces one habit of unhealthy, overconsumption with an alternative take which essentially becomes an unhealthy way of eating less. Once the person is done he will probably just revert back to his old ways and regain the weight. Diet shouldn't be thought of as dieting in my opinion but as actually changing your diet to something that is healthy and sustainable over the long term.
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i work out and i'm healthy but i'll never be fully sexy and slim cuz i love eating too much especially cheddar. oh well.
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L_Master, i am more thinking. If you are in army you will get into combat situation that can last few days. I am not sure if 10-30mins are enought for the best from the best.
Sulliwans method is selfkilling in my opinion, it might work but you will feel crap all time!
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On June 02 2011 15:31 d_so wrote: i work out and i'm healthy but i'll never be fully sexy and slim cuz i love eating too much especially cheddar. oh well.
You can go my route and run 100 mpw. Being able to eat 3500+ calories a day and maintain weight is pretty nice. This was like 40% of my initial desire to run high mileage was that I wanted to be able to eat a shit ton and not continue to gain weight.
On June 02 2011 15:34 inimenesc wrote: L_Master, i am more thinking. If you are in army you will get into combat situation that can last few days. I am not sure if 10-30mins are enought for the best from the best.
Sulliwans method is selfkilling in my opinion, it might work but you will feel crap all time!
As I said above, it probably isn't. 30-60 minutes a day would be much better. Anything less than about 20 minutes for a run is pretty worthless if your already in okay shape (assuming you are given your goals).
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Actually, at least I didn't feel crap at all when doing it. First week or so I felt hungry, after that, the body got used to it I guess and I felt better than I did before I started.
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I'm a biochemistry major who has just gone through studying metabolism, obesity, nutrition, etc. From what I have read in the OP, this sounds like a pretty ideal plan.
A few comments I will add (forgive me not reading through 5 pages to see if it has been covered). -Weight management comes down primarily to caloric consumption as you stated. That should be the first focus of any person following this diet. Your intake does NOT need to be as extreme as 1300 calories, you just need to take in fewer...though obviously extreme changes will bring about more rapid results. 10 m&m's a day will amount to 10lbs a year. Cut those 10 m&m's, and you will lose 10 lbs a year, it doesn't take much! Try just halfing your food intake and see what happens (4000->1300 is more than halfing). Once you reach your target weight be sure to readjust your caloric intake! You don't want to waste away!!!
-I do have some issue with primarily living off protein powder if not for the supplements. To be healthy you NEED to eat a wide variety of foods, just watch the calories! Second, you really do not need much protein per day, your body does not even know how to process any excess. Keep it under 200% DV in most cases. Also remember that not all fats are bad, but do aim for oils over saturated fats. You do need some (which your diet seems to have a little of, good).
-Exercise with caution. Realize that exercise greatly increases appetite and if you do not regulate your diet, you could easily eat more than you burn off which only WORSENS your weight situation. I might suggest focusing initially on reducing caloric intake, then once adjusted begin exercising. It will help with self-discipline, I believe. Some people may find they actually lose weight better WITHOUT heavy exercise (still stay active), and then turn to exercise when they want to build back up muscle mass. I do agree though that exercising can help establish the proper mindset which is key. Buddies help.
-Now a personal testimony to caloric intake. I am 6'1" and weigh roughly 145lbs wet. My ideal weight is circa 180lbs. I don't watch what I eat...I pretty much live on fast food and other junk. However, I don't eat much, maybe 1,800 Cal/day. I actually struggle eating as much as I should because of a medication I took for a while that diminished appetite (off it now, it has rebounded slightly). My point is not the fact that my appetite is artificially decreased and thus im skinny, but that you can eat whatever you want and be skinny if you just eat less. A diverse 2,000-2,500 Cal/day diet is pretty much all you need once your weight is where you want it. Don't take seconds!
-Lastly, way to go man! I'm stoked for you able to accomplish so much in such a short period of time. I salute you
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A lot of misinformation in this thread.
You lose weight by your body burning more calories than you are providing it with.
All these people saying that doing weights or whatever, or only dieting will not help you lose weight are idiots. In certain scenarios they are right, but isolated they are simply false.
I lost ~30kg in a 4-5month period late last year/earlier this year, and can lose weight on demand nowadays. Eat less and try to exercise. Bam.
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On June 02 2011 14:54 StorkHwaiting wrote: Who in the bloody hell regularly eats 4000 calories? Holy jesus. Did a quick google search, the average American eats 3,790 calories.
http://www.diet-blog.com/06/do_americans_eat_3790_calories_per_day.php
Again, we Americans are so disgusting fat, it's hideous, grotesque, putrid. Seriously, put down the fork, don't get the super size, put down the second beer, you fat disgusting blobs. The occasional vegetable instead of cake and cookies won't kill you. You're not obligated to eat all the food on your plate.
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Focusing entirely on losing weight is wrong. There's more to the diet than that. The OP doesn't have a single vegetable in his meal plan
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After skimming through this thread, theres a lot of misleading information that may negatively effect someone trying to lose weight. As a student studying in this area (Kineisiology), I feel that I have to intervene.
To lose weight, one should change his or her diet and physical activity levels (exercise). Ofc losing weight = calories in < calories out(spent). Nevertheless, the process of losing weight isn't that simple. Retention/relapse and motivation are main things people struggle with whenever they are attempting to improve themselves. Things to keep motivation and retention levels high are things people need to figure out on their own or with help from professionals(informational) / (friends+family = emotional).
The best exercise for overweight people is just to walk for ~30 min or whatever ACSM's standard is. Walking (@moderate pace) allows the heart to work not as hard while obtaining max stroke volume. Anything over that makes heart rate increase = bad for overweight people. Hypertension, heart attacks, etc. can occur if you over stress the heart (being overweight increases your risk). Also, your joints will be under less stress upon impact (surface you run/walk = minimal difference) if you walk compared to run.
You should never starve yourself / fast then eat right after. To put it simply, body = wtf when you starve for prolonged periods of time; then after you eat = body converts what you eat into fat bc it doesn't know when is your next meal.
Diet = temporary changes; Diet + Physical Activity = perma changes. Optimal physical activity = cardio + str training (even for overweight people).
I was going to let my blog fade out until summer semester starts, but it looks like I'll have to start it back up now. BLOG Here, I answer questions (w/ more details) concerning health, physical activity, and psychological aspects of training. There's already an answer about running/walking(vo2 & heart), some other physiology, and a supplemental ppt.
Other places you should visit are the TL health and initiative thread (although you have to weed out some of things they say) and ACSM's website.
tldr: Refer to an expert or do your own research about weight loss. A lot of people talk out off their ass. Never take any weight loss supplements. Walking = best exercise. If you are serious about losing weight, you'll stick to it w/ a plan that keeps ^motivation & ^retention. Visit creditable sources & my blog if you personally want to ask a question.
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sorry bro you re not what you eat you re what you absorb big difference research for something called enzymes
i work and own own buisness of health i know what im talking about
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Run --> Vomit --> Run some more
Works.
Okay not really, just throw every damn thing that's edible out in your house, replace it with fruits, chicken breast, brown rice and vegetables. You don't even need to work out.
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Ive read most of these posts and im quite shocked, dont give false hope to an overweight person that they can lose all of their extra weight just by reading a guide on the internet. The Diet OP is using is not healthy in anyway, going from 4k calorie intake to a 1.2k will litterally fuck your body up, and it is not healthy at all, do something like that but abit more gentle.
If you want to lose weight, make a deal with yourself, i did the following about 1 year ago
1. Go to the gym twice a week for a workout of 1 hour. 2. Stop "Over eating"(I know when im full, dont stuff it down your throat) 3. Do 1 cardio activity each week for a duration for 30 minutes(Biking, running, swimming, it doesnt matter really matter just get your pulse up)
If we say you burn an estimate of 2500 calories on this workout each week, its not something marvellous, but the important thing is that you do it and that you get used to working out. If you enjoy these activities you will have extra energy, and after 2-3 months you can increase it, maybe do it 3 times a week, or do cardio for 1 hour each week. Now the important thing is that you reward yourself, but dont go and be like:"I ran for 1 hour today so i can eat more", save up money and buy something expensive. I set the following goal,
1. Squat twice my own weight 2. Bench 90% of my own weight 3. Deadlift 150% of my own weight
Reward: Use 1.8k Dollars on a new mountainbike
I had 3 months and the goals were realistic for me, i could see them in the horizon, i trained like a madman, i had a goal that i needed to reach in order to have fun. at the last week of before the 3 months i FINALLY reached the bench and i was so happy i almost started crying in the gym.
My current goal is
1. Squat 225% of my own weight 2. Bench 100% of my own weight 3. Deadlift 175% of my own weight
If i succeed i get to buy a new pc screen since i got an old shitty one.
This all comes down to the fact that you need to discipline, remeber that you dont workout for other people, you do it to yourself. To find out if you really wanna start such a big project and if you have the motivation i usually do the following. Flip a coin, heads if you do it, tails you dont, when you flip it, when its rotating in the air, if theres a hope that it lands on heads, this is usually indication that this is something you really want to do. If not, well you can guess the rest.
Before i started working out i was unable to run 250 meters without losing my breath, now i run 10km twice a week to supplement weight training 4 times a week and i try to bike 200km each week.
This takes time, it takes blood, sweat and a ALOT of sacrifises. A personal victory for me was the other day at a carnival where i ran home after it was done, i was called a "Sportsfreak", by a couple of girls and one of them shouted that i was cute, truth be told, i was running home to watch the GSL Super Tournament (HuK, Bomber and Nestea was playing, so had to see it)
TL;DR - Set goals that are achivable for you, in the start set it for a week, as you progress set bigger goals, and brag about your shit so it makes you feel good, because YOU did it for YOU.
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I don't think I could survive with having cottage cheese for dinner every day.
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