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On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote:
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic. Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight. As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up. On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights. As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone. Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote:
TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO. We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote:
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo? Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that. It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education. See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
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On June 28 2011 21:36 Stevensl2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote:
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic. Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight. As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up. On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights. As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone. Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore. On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote:
TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO. We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with. On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote:
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo? On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that. It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education. See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit. I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
huh? protein and fat are both sources of calories.
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On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
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On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb.
Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes.
Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
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So many things wrong with the OP's diet I do not know where to begin.
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On June 29 2011 00:57 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb. Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
You need to read his statement again. He didn't say it is not a good idea, but opposite. The double negative must have confused you. If you are an English native speaker I would suggest reading more books, brain needs its exercise as well.
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On June 29 2011 00:59 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote:
So many things wrong with the OP's diet I do not know where to begin.
Don't bother, I think you explained everything in "part 1"  . It's not worth it.
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On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh
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On June 29 2011 01:09 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:57 Shinobi1982 wrote:On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb. Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it. You need to read his statement again. He didn't say it is not a good idea, but opposite. The double negative must have confused you. If you are an English native speaker I would suggest reading more books, brain needs its exercise as well.
 my bad
Edit** sorry
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On June 28 2011 13:13 forgotten0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote:
I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested. You're seriously "Fox News - The Poster". You take an entire wealth of information someone presents, find one part that you disagree with, and focus on that, saying because of it, all other information is clearly crap. Please, learn to rate, and learn to read. I even said it was extreme I didn't recommend it.
Oh, I disagreed with a lot more, but it was 3AM or so and attacked the most important part of your post.
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On June 28 2011 21:36 Stevensl2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote:
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic. Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight. As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up. On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights. As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone. Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore. On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote:
TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO. We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with. On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote:
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo? On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that. It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education. See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit. I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
Are you serious? I question your credentials as a fitness instructor and "nutritionist."
Calories are a freaking unit of measurement. It's not a physical thing like protein and fat are. jeez. Be it carbs, protein, fat, or wtv else you have, you are always "burning Calories."
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This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe.
I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat.
On June 29 2011 01:12 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh
Kills my knees
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On June 29 2011 04:52 Osmoses wrote:This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe. I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:12 KimJongChill wrote:On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh Kills my knees
There is truth. It's not too hard to find. Read this OP:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180919
And if it's killing you're knees it is 99% chance user error unless you are recovering/suffering from a serious knee injury.
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On June 29 2011 06:00 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:52 Osmoses wrote:This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe. I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat. On June 29 2011 01:12 KimJongChill wrote:On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh Kills my knees There is truth. It's not too hard to find. Read this OP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180919And if it's killing you're knees it is 99% chance user error unless you are recovering/suffering from a serious knee injury.
That's the gospel according to eshlow, and you're one of his disciples. As for the knee, I don't know wtf it is, but whenever I put weight on it while bent a nerve in right on the side of my left kneecap cries uncle.
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I've lost and kept off 30 lbs. over the past year by simply eating less. If your goal is weight loss, that's all you need. No stupid fad diets, no intricate meal plans and calorie counting. Just gradually consume less and eat a bit healthier over time, that way you're actually changing your eating habits instead of following some strict diet only to slip and then regain weight.
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On June 29 2011 06:15 Corbie wrote:
I've lost and kept off 30 lbs. over the past year by simply eating less. If your goal is weight loss, that's all you need. No stupid fad diets, no intricate meal plans and calorie counting. Just gradually consume less and eat a bit healthier over time, that way you're actually changing your eating habits instead of following some strict diet only to slip and then regain weight.
I agree 9000%
I go by an incredibly simple rule: The best way to stop being overweight is to stop doing the things that make you overweight. (In most cases)
If you are not happy with your weight and you have high in sodium and fat foods in your diet, your solution is incredibly simple. Eat an 8oz steak instead of a 10oz and trade the fast food home made food and you'll lose weight pretty fast (in most cases).
For me at least, it's a lot easier to stop doing what makes you fat instead of continuing to do it but trying to counterbalance it with exercise. (Though exercise certainly doesn't hurt).
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You do realize your body needs more then just protein right? Those protein powders and the pills you can take are all just a waste of money. How about you actually eat a balanced diet and work out? Plenty of fruits and veggies. If you have to eat meat have it only once a day. If your a vegetarian do the proper research to ensure your getting all of your vitamins and minerals you need. There is a huge problem in this country, lets have a diet of pure protein and ill get in shape! Vegetarians don't normally have a problem with getting protein.. Only vegans do but you can add some very simple foods to your diet to remedy this problem that you can buy at any health food store.
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On June 28 2011 21:36 Stevensl2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote:
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic. Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight. As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up. On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights. As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone. Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore. On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote:
TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO. We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with. On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote:
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo? On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that. It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education. See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit. I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
The idea that you're even asking this question as a "certified fitness instructor" is the reason I haven't bothered to try and do such a thing myself. It's mind boggling that you're sticking with this idea. Once again - Protein, carbohydrates and fat (as well as alcohol) contain energy. That energy is MEASURED in Calories. Calories are not separate from carbs and fat and protein. They cannot be burned separately because they are measuring something, they do not independantly exist. That's like me looking over to my left and saying "I see some inches outside my window." What? You're not making ANY SENSE.
On June 28 2011 14:59 Karliath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that. Indeed, it's not that simple. First of all, it technically doesn't matter how many calories you eat. What matters is how many calories your body absorbs. Secondly, if what you eat ends up going to your muscle tissue and not fat, I'm sure most people won't mind.
True to an extent. Weight lifting can help direct energy into muscles (helping in your "body composition") but really, Calories are the king here, everything else are the court officials. If you aren't eating enough, or are eating too much it doesn't matter what else you're doing, exercise and lifestyle only go so far in helping.
On June 28 2011 14:59 Karliath wrote:
From taking specific supplements, eating certain foods, and engaging in muscular contraction at specified times around a big meal, you can minimize the release of insulin, increase the speed of gastric emptying, and increase the 'amount of calories' that goes into muscle tissue.
Everything you mentioned here is true, but it all still pales in comparison to the fact that if you are eating too much, you are going to get bigger, and if you are eating too little, you are going to get smaller. These things matter when you're already at a "healthy" size.
On June 28 2011 14:59 Karliath wrote:
Besides, as other people have pointed out, eating less calories can help, but you risk putting your body in starvation mode. (Quick aside: your body actually goes into a mini-starvation mode every time you don't eat for a long period, such as when you're sleeping, so your breakfast or following meal is largely converted into fat) In order to stop that, you should have at least one day a week where you eat whatever you want, calories be damned. A spike in caloric intake is good. It makes sure that your "metabolic rate (thyroid function and conversion of T4 to T3) doesn't downshift from extended caloric restriction."
Again, no - starvation mode is bullshit. I've posted the studies before, but I can do it again if you'd like. "starvation mode" only happens when you're actually STARVING... That is, not eating anything for a week on end. Simple dieting does not have anything close to this fact, and if anything metabolic rate is UPREGULATED in temporary fast.
That said, if you're just starting a diet, it's nice to have a "cheat day" to help ease yourself into it... kinda like putting your feet in the pool to adjust before you just jump all the way in. Just have the goal that you're eventually going to phase that out too, and don't let yourself go TOO overboard on that one day - you're not going to eat a whole pizza and a pint of ice cream, or you're ruining everything you've already done.
On June 28 2011 15:07 3 wrote:
I need this. Bookmarking it for later. Thanks
Don't. This entire thread, as well as the OP is hugely full of mis-information. Do some of your own research, as there are GREAT resources out there on the internet, but make sure that you're listening to articles and books, rather than people. People are very often full of shit, unless they can cite actual sources for information when asked.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote:
Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit.In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
All truth. In fact, as low as .8g/pound/day is enough for an endurance athlete who's not trying to actively build muscle.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote:
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
So true. Any time you hear a nutrition "fact" on the internet, even if you think it just "makes sense" like starvation mode, get a source. Take a nutrition class - often, they're fun, and if they have a lab component you'll get to cook things, or plan out diets, etc. Even take two or three, or a focused one like "sports nutrition" or one for people with diabetes or other health concerns. It's always good to learn.
On June 28 2011 21:18 Olsson wrote:
Stay away from dairy? DRINK MILK! The loads of calcium helps to burn fat aswell as strenghetning your bones. Drink atleast one milk a day I would recommend but then again it's not my guide.
Milk is good if you tolerate lactose well, I agree. Personally I drink a little over a quart a day with no problems. It's a great source of energy from the fat (assuming you aren't drinking *blech* skim milk.) and protein from the... well, protein. Actually a lot of the calcium in milk isn't absorbed by your body, it's leeched out by the protein content. But that's ok, it's got a lot of other benefits. Drink it if you can IMO.
On June 29 2011 00:57 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb. Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
You mis-read. Decaf deadlifts something like 500 pounds himself iirc. Yes, it's only dangerous if you're doing it wrong. I've personally injured my knees pretty badly due to improper form, but... I fixed my form, gave myself recovery time, and now I'm good to go.
On June 29 2011 06:05 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 06:00 decafchicken wrote:On June 29 2011 04:52 Osmoses wrote:This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe. I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat. On June 29 2011 01:12 KimJongChill wrote:On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote:
Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat? there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh Kills my knees There is truth. It's not too hard to find. Read this OP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180919And if it's killing you're knees it is 99% chance user error unless you are recovering/suffering from a serious knee injury. That's the gospel according to eshlow, and you're one of his disciples. As for the knee, I don't know wtf it is, but whenever I put weight on it while bent a nerve in right on the side of my left kneecap cries uncle.
There's a lot of shit to wade through when it comes to diet and nutrition. In the end, find something you believe in that's study-supported, try it, and see if it works for you. That's what I've done with paleo, and my learning has extended from there because I find this an extremely interesting subject.
As for that knee - you've probably got bad form, and a pre-existing condition. Get it checked by a doctor, and get your squat form checked by someone who knows what they're talking about. I'd personally recommend listening to "eshlow's disciples" in the TLHF thread, or even heading over to a powerlifting/olympic lifting forum and asking them to take a look.'
On June 29 2011 06:15 Corbie wrote:
I've lost and kept off 30 lbs. over the past year by simply eating less. If your goal is weight loss, that's all you need. No stupid fad diets, no intricate meal plans and calorie counting. Just gradually consume less and eat a bit healthier over time, that way you're actually changing your eating habits instead of following some strict diet only to slip and then regain weight.
100% true. If you're overweight to begin with, listen to this man. Now, if you're already at 11% bodyfat looking to get that six pack - it's going to take more effort (calorie counting, proper macronutrient portions, some decent activity levels) but still nothing ridiculous. Start with a diet you're able to follow, and work from there. Remember that this is not something you do for a week or a month or even a year, it is a LIFESTYLE CHANGE.
On June 29 2011 06:36 Marine0945x wrote:
You do realize your body needs more then just protein right? Those protein powders and the pills you can take are all just a waste of money. How about you actually eat a balanced diet and work out? Plenty of fruits and veggies. If you have to eat meat have it only once a day. If your a vegetarian do the proper research to ensure your getting all of your vitamins and minerals you need. There is a huge problem in this country, lets have a diet of pure protein and ill get in shape! Vegetarians don't normally have a problem with getting protein.. Only vegans do but you can add some very simple foods to your diet to remedy this problem that you can buy at any health food store.
I eat meat with every meal. Breakfast Bacon and Eggs, Lunch a can of tuna or a salad with grilled chicken. Dinner some kind of meat and broccoli/carrots, once in a while sweet potato/potato/white rice. It's not bad to eat meat (unless it's processed) but it's probably not 100% necessary either. Just get what your body NEEDS. You can probably do that without the pills and the powders, I agree.
On vegetarians, I just think it's a stupid Idea, but if you plan it well enough it can be healthy. Whatever makes you happy I guess.
Good god I hate nutrition threads, but I hate poor information even more =/. Can't help myself.
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I am not a big fan of these extreme diets.
I've lost 30 pounds (now constant 180lbs since 2years) just by beeing more active in generall + jogging for 20 minutes every morning.
Beeing more active is the mainpart with this and its quite simple, here some examples:
- Just walk instead of drive, walk every distance you can walk (thats every distance that is within 45 minutes of walking range). Sometimes I didnt touch my car in weeks.
- Go out! With friends, girls, dancing, alone to your favorite café, doesnt matter. The world is out there and you want to see it.
- When someone is calling and asking you to help with anything/ play some soccer with them/ or with a crazy idea for an adventure... just do it. Dont be lazy.
- Only some little food restriction: Limit chips and burgerking (these were the main problem for me, choose your one or two things)
These are little things that are not extreme and actually give you a much more fun life.
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Best way i know (ive been 72.6kg since over 8 years with 182 cm):
Eat a heavy breakfast from monday to friday, saturday normal, sunday light.
For lunch dont mix things like potatoes or bread with other stuff (meat or fish with vegatables).
For dinner a fruit/salad based food.
Drink at least 1 liter of water a day, 2 is great, personally i drink at least 3.
Do 10 minutes exercise 2 times a day, and on weekends at least 1 hour a day. Personally i go to a swimming pool 20 minutes a day (i have a office job, so i move almost nothing).
meat 2 times a week, fish 3 times a week, rest mainly salad/fruit (does not apply for breakfast, you can eat whatever you want there, just not very unhealty stuff like hamburgers.
Once a week eat little (basicly always eat less than you would normally do).
Final note about drinks: mostly avoid alcohol and drinks like coca cola. You can drink alcohol once every 2 weeks, just dont overkill with it or you will freak out your metabolism.
Mayb it helps :D
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