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On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote:
I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
You're seriously "Fox News - The Poster". You take an entire wealth of information someone presents, find one part that you disagree with, and focus on that, saying because of it, all other information is clearly crap. Please, learn to rate, and learn to read. I even said it was extreme I didn't recommend it.
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I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
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On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote:
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
-There is nothing wrong with eating plenty of good fats (meats, nuts, etc)
-Using your spare 30 minutes to do "cardio" is an absolute waste unless you're doing HIIT. That 30 minutes would be much better spent getting in a compound lifting session. building muscle will do much more for you long term burning calories and changing body composition.
-A lot of "personal trainers" are quite misinformed.
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On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote:
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic.
Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight.
As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up.
On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting
"uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights.
As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote:
TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with.
On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote:
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education.
See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
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On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows?
edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
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On June 28 2011 14:27 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows? edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
My current diet is actually VERY paleo. I don't drink milk. I wake up, eat 2 eggs, a piece of ezekiel bread, and organic oatmeal. For lunch, I make myself a huge salad of spinach, lettuce, broccoli, cucumber, carrots, bell pepper, misc seeds, and extra virgin olive oil with lemon and ginger for dressing. I top it off with fish of my choosing. Those are the only major meals I do, otherwise I'm snacking on nuts and veggies. Fruits are avoided as they're mostly sugar, and one of the major purposes of the paleo diet is to avoid sugar. Also avoid yellow vegetables and potatoes.
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On June 28 2011 14:27 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows? edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
Glad to see decaf and pyree jumped on this.
Anyways, I think fruit is just fine on a paleo diet, he just didn't include them.
From heresay, I know that fruit is perfectly fine for most peoples diet. If you are trying to diet down to extremely low levels (I.E probably less than 8%), most BB's and all that will normally cut it out due to the sugar content.
In fact, I'm not too sure on this subject. I'm going to research it myself! I'm sure someone trustworthy will ring in on this one.
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On June 28 2011 14:42 Catch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:27 Dromar wrote:On June 28 2011 13:47 phyre112 wrote:
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows? edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet. Glad to see decaf and pyree jumped on this. Anyways, I think fruit is just fine on a paleo diet, he just didn't include them. From heresay, I know that fruit is perfectly fine for most peoples diet. If you are trying to diet down to extremely low levels (I.E probably less than 8%), most BB's and all that will normally cut it out due to the sugar content. In fact, I'm not too sure on this subject. I'm going to research it myself! I'm sure someone trustworthy will ring in on this one.
I don't know shiz about paleo, but as Tim Ferriss put in his book, The 4-Hour Body, fruit isn't "natural," because people in the past didn't get to eat all kinds of fruit 12 months a year.
Think they had Florida oranges in December? Not a chance...The only exceptions to the no-fruit rule are tomatoes and avocadoes...Otherwise, just say no to fruit and its principal suigar, fructose, which is converted to glycerol phosphate more efficiently than almost all other carbohydrates. Glycerol phosphate -> triglycerides (via the liver) -> fat storage.
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On June 28 2011 13:13 forgotten0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote:
I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested. You're seriously "Fox News - The Poster". You take an entire wealth of information someone presents, find one part that you disagree with, and focus on that, saying because of it, all other information is clearly crap. Please, learn to rate, and learn to read. I even said it was extreme I didn't recommend it.
Here's the part I don't understand. If you don't recommend it, why did you post it as part of your guide?
I'd bet the p00n could go on about other issues, but the diet alone is enough. Your weight loss plan is based on eating such a small diet. You recommend an hour or less of actual exercise a day. And virtually none of that exercise is aerobic (10 mins of running does not count.). While this is an improvement for a lot of people, it simply wont produce anything like the results you're talking about unless you're also eating almost nothing. The diet you recommend is the cornerstone of your weight loss plan, whether you realize it or not.
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On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
Indeed, it's not that simple.
First of all, it technically doesn't matter how many calories you eat. What matters is how many calories your body absorbs. Secondly, if what you eat ends up going to your muscle tissue and not fat, I'm sure most people won't mind.
From taking specific supplements, eating certain foods, and engaging in muscular contraction at specified times around a big meal, you can minimize the release of insulin, increase the speed of gastric emptying, and increase the 'amount of calories' that goes into muscle tissue.
Besides, as other people have pointed out, eating less calories can help, but you risk putting your body in starvation mode. (Quick aside: your body actually goes into a mini-starvation mode every time you don't eat for a long period, such as when you're sleeping, so your breakfast or following meal is largely converted into fat) In order to stop that, you should have at least one day a week where you eat whatever you want, calories be damned. A spike in caloric intake is good. It makes sure that your "metabolic rate (thyroid function and conversion of T4 to T3) doesn't downshift from extended caloric restriction."
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I need this. Bookmarking it for later. Thanks
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I have always had trouble finding my own way to lose weight, talked to alot of people who all said the same thing.
decided to buy a new bike, and started using it to work (12.5km so 25km a day) and ive only really started wednesday but when i got on the weight sunday or saturday (i forget) i had already lost around 2kg in such a short amount.
Its not easy losing weight and im my oppinion the hardest is finding a way that works for your needs
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Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit.In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
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On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote:
Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite.
1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet.
2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."
Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
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On June 28 2011 11:19 rayout wrote:This is why I feel bad seeing people running - they are consuming their muscle and not really burning fat. Walking would be so much better 
there are reasons to run other than just burning fat. and walking is just inefficient running. i also run to relieve stress. i guess if i was jobless i wouldn't have as much stress, and i'd also have a lot more free time so i could just walk inefficiently all day. so yea, feel sorry for people with jobs, because unemployment would be so much better.
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On June 28 2011 16:28 Karliath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote:
Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite. 1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet. 2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
You can call him whatever you want, but he is right.
There's so much garbage advice on this thread it's just mind boggling to see from a "semi-expert" point of view. I have over 10 years (own) experience in bb related diets/training regiment. And before you come with the "nice story bro but do you have a degree in nutrition?". I might as well have with the amount of information I have acquired over the years.
And besides if you need strategic view of SC2 are you going to ask Dustin Browder or IdrA for advice.
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On June 28 2011 18:48 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:28 Karliath wrote:On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote:
Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite. 1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet. 2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well? You can call him whatever you want, but he is right. There's so much garbage advice on this thread it's just mind boggling to see from a "semi-expert" point of view. I have over 10 years (own) experience in bb related diets/training regiment. And before you come with the "nice story bro but do you have a degree in nutrition?". I might as well have with the amount of information I have acquired over the years. And besides if you need strategic view of SC2 are you going to ask Dustin Browder or IdrA for advice.
I would ask Day[9], obviously.
In any case, there's no point debating with you; you're just as bad as the last guy. Yet, it seems I can't help myself.
I do hope you understand that I never spoke against his views about a diet high in protein, but the way the second half of his post belies the first half. On second though, you do not explicitly say what "he is right" about. I can then only assume from your second paragraph that you care not for his talk about protein, but agree with him in the opinion that a lot of the posts in this thread are BS.
Be assured, I concur as well. I am simply mocking the way you two seem to believe that you are better than the rest. Pray tell me, just how do you define a "semi-expert?" Experts be damned, any 6th grader who has heard of the scientific method can tell you that multiple trials must be held to promote accuracy. Unfortunately, your "10 years (own) experience" is worth naught by itself. That's not to mention that whatever diets/training regiment you practiced may not work as well for other body types and the like. Did some of your bb buddies follow the same regiment with you? Unfortunately, that's still not good enough, technically and scientifically. Did other people on bb forums find success too? Oh wait, that's on the internet, a land of BS. You have as much proof as anyone else
I must point out again that I'm not saying all the posts in this thread are correct. Yet you two seem to believe you are better than the rest. I just find that to be foolish. Indeed, you are probably more knowledgeable than some, but I am sure that many in this thread believe themselves to be just as knowledgeable and correct as you are. Giving a few lines about how much experience you've had doesn't count as proof. You have as much proof as anyone else, which isn't to say your regiment is 'wrong,' just 'incredible' as everyone else's advice. Unless medical studies are actually cited, I don't think you can give actual proof. And let's face it, that's never going to happen.
I would like to turn your attention again to the manner in which StickNMove writes. After giving his own nutrition advice, he says:
Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice.
Do you truly not find this as laughable as I do? Must I explain why it is so wrong?
What gives him more claim to the truth than anyone else? If you had similar views on protein eating, you might agree with him easily. But what about someone else who doesn't?
Of course, he could be a medical expert himself. He could have research to prove his point. Do I demand that proof be given? Of course not, that's foolish. But until then, his advice is just as unbelievable (or believable) as everyone else's. Just be reminded, however, that you may not be so much more of a "semi-expert" as some people here believe themselves to be too.
Oh, and since you seem to agree with StickNMove so much, let me quote him for you.
if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
Since you don't appear to have either, I guess you won't be posting any advice of your own. Good day.
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On June 28 2011 19:19 Karliath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 18:48 Shinobi1982 wrote:On June 28 2011 16:28 Karliath wrote:On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote:
Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite. 1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet. 2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well? You can call him whatever you want, but he is right. There's so much garbage advice on this thread it's just mind boggling to see from a "semi-expert" point of view. I have over 10 years (own) experience in bb related diets/training regiment. And before you come with the "nice story bro but do you have a degree in nutrition?". I might as well have with the amount of information I have acquired over the years. And besides if you need strategic view of SC2 are you going to ask Dustin Browder or IdrA for advice. I would ask Day[9], obviously. In any case, there's no point debating with you; you're just as bad as the last guy. Yet, it seems I can't help myself. I do hope you understand that I never spoke against his views about a diet high in protein, but the way the second half of his post belies the first half. On second though, you do not explicitly say what "he is right" about. I can then only assume from your second paragraph that you care not for his talk about protein, but agree with him in the opinion that a lot of the posts in this thread are BS. Be assured, I concur as well. I am simply mocking the way you two seem to believe that you are better than the rest. Pray tell me, just how do you define a "semi-expert?" Experts be damned, any 6th grader who has heard of the scientific method can tell you that multiple trials must be held to promote accuracy. Unfortunately, your "10 years (own) experience" is worth naught by itself. That's not to mention that whatever diets/training regiment you practiced may not work as well for other body types and the like. Did some of your bb buddies follow the same regiment with you? Unfortunately, that's still not good enough, technically and scientifically. Did other people on bb forums find success too? Oh wait, that's on the internet, a land of BS. You have as much proof as anyone else I must point out again that I'm not saying all the posts in this thread are correct. Yet you two seem to believe you are better than the rest. I just find that to be foolish. Indeed, you are probably more knowledgeable than some, but I am sure that many in this thread believe themselves to be just as knowledgeable and correct as you are. Giving a few lines about how much experience you've had doesn't count as proof. You have as much proof as anyone else, which isn't to say your regiment is 'wrong,' just 'incredible' as everyone else's advice. Unless medical studies are actually cited, I don't think you can give actual proof. And let's face it, that's never going to happen. I would like to turn your attention again to the manner in which StickNMove writes. After giving his own nutrition advice, he says: Show nested quote +Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. Do you truly not find this as laughable as I do? Must I explain why it is so wrong? Of course, he could be a medical expert himself. He could have research to prove his point. Do I demand that proof be given? Of course not, that's foolish. But until then, his advice is just as unbelievable (or believable) as everyone else's. Just be reminded, however, that you may not be so much more of a "semi-expert" as some people here believe themselves to be too. Oh, and since you seem to agree with StickNMove so much, let me quote him for you. Show nested quote +if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet. Since you don't appear to have either, I guess you won't be posting any advice of your own. Good day.
I don't go for the "medical research studies" hypes. I do read them but I choose for myself what to believe or not. It pretty much always depends on "who is benefiting/financing the studies". You can find a negative "research studie" about pretty much any nutrition product available. It's always a balance about pro and cons for me and that's what I'm focusing on. Testing the methods myself (or someone I trust that does the testing) if the method truly works without any major drawbacks I see to implement in my training/diet. Every 6 months I do the bloodtest to see if everything is in check. I'm doing fine without people lecturing me on what is right/wrong.
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Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
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Stay away from dairy? DRINK MILK! The loads of calcium helps to burn fat aswell as strenghetning your bones. Drink atleast one milk a day I would recommend but then again it's not my guide.
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