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On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:03 RealQ wrote:On June 28 2011 09:59 Shinobi1982 wrote:On June 28 2011 09:46 RealQ wrote:On June 28 2011 09:35 Snuggles wrote:On June 28 2011 09:16 TzTz wrote:On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote:
That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape. Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting. That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before. I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se. Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man... So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right? Here's what I'm thinking now. 8:00 AM two eggs 10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement. 12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely 3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative 6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken 8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack? 9 PM - Bed no more food I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours. also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats.... Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo. Yeah okay thats fine, 40/40/20 is pretty much the standard anyways. completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
Keto is great, but for people lacking the motivation it might be a bit hard i guess.
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On June 28 2011 10:15 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 10:03 RealQ wrote:On June 28 2011 09:59 Shinobi1982 wrote:On June 28 2011 09:46 RealQ wrote:On June 28 2011 09:35 Snuggles wrote:On June 28 2011 09:16 TzTz wrote:On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote:
That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape. Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting. That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before. I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se. Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man... So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right? Here's what I'm thinking now. 8:00 AM two eggs 10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement. 12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely 3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative 6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken 8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack? 9 PM - Bed no more food I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours. also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats.... Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo. Yeah okay thats fine, 40/40/20 is pretty much the standard anyways. completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet. Keto is great, but for people lacking the motivation it might be a bit hard i guess.
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
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On June 28 2011 10:02 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 09:57 Snuggles wrote:
Yup, after reading all your advice I ate another cup of yogurt and 3 fat slices of pineapple and man do I feel good. It's one thing to eat at night when you're trying to lose weight, I felt guilty before but now that I have been enlightened this is freaking awesome.
I'm gonna run to the GNC or some supermarket and look for some protein packed food omg I'm so excited. And what's the deal with cottage cheese? What does it do? Just adjust your schedule a bit, dont do your workout just before you will go to sleep because all it will do is eat up your muscles cause the body has no energy source after you have worked out. and cottage cheese is good to eat as a last meal cause it has alot of "slow" proteins, that slowely used by your body, which is really good at night. in the morning you need some fast proteins/carbs so get a whey protein shake for that, its by far the best thing to eat as your first meal.
Hmm well I get home late so that's going to be tough. But I think if I swap at half my workout time to early in the morning it should be fine unless working out too early is bad. Thanks again for all the advice, this is the first time I haven't run into one of those "the inconvenient truth" type of scenarios in a long time so its really refreshing to have some good news.
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TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
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On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
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On June 28 2011 10:24 buickskylark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet. how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Keto means you go very low in carbs, your body will go into a state where it cannot burn its main energy source which are carbs and will start burning fat instead basicly.
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I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
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On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote:
I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
This.
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i have nothing to add. great guide but i'd like to say that i'm asian and i love how i don't have to work out or run and can eat whatever i want and still be thin =D. lol keep up the good work though =p
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On June 28 2011 10:24 buickskylark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet. how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Eating a lot of meat. And drinking a lot of milk.
I dont find paleo to be that hard to stick with (as long as youre not trying to eat 5k cal a day like i am T_T). Once i stopped eating grains/most sugars for about a week i lost most of my desire to eat them.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote:
TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=219348¤tpage=All
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On June 28 2011 10:51 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:24 buickskylark wrote:On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet. how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet? Eating a lot of meat. And drinking a lot of milk. I dont find paleo to be that hard to stick with (as long as youre not trying to eat 5k cal a day like i am T_T). Once i stopped eating grains/most sugars for about a week i lost most of my desire to eat them.
Decaf, you need to make a paleo guide 
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I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
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On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
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On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Then you trigger a starvation response and your body reduces caloric expenditure until you are net even.
If your diet is based on carbohydrates you may still put on weight. Read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes...lots of citations on impoverished populations doing backbreaking labor getting less than 1500 calories a day becoming wretchedly obese.
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On June 28 2011 11:10 rayout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Then you trigger a starvation response and your body reduces caloric expenditure until you are net even. If your diet is based on carbohydrates you may still put on weight. Read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes...lots of citations on impoverished populations doing backbreaking labor getting less than 1500 calories a day becoming wretchedly obese.
I've been curious. Should I read that first, or "Good Calories, Bad Calories", or does it matter?
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On June 28 2011 10:24 buickskylark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet. how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Your body needs very few carbohydrates to function - those that it needs it can generate from breaking down protein. This is why chronic cardio leads to muscle - loss once your body burns through its glucose/glycogen (stored carbohydrate) it needs to burn your muscle for energy. This is why I feel bad seeing people running - they are consuming their muscle and not really burning fat. Walking would be so much better 
Starting on the diet you may feel crappy and crave carbs since your body needs to become "keto-adapted" - i.e. it needs to get used to burning fat for fuel versus carbs. Once your body shifts its pretty great - you never get super "starving" - just hungry since your body learns to burn fat reserves.
I'm on a paleo diet and I don't measure calories. I just eat meat and some veggies and its good enough for me. Down 24 lbs for far in the past 4 months while putting on muscle. Sort of at a plateau at the moment but I'm okay with that - I can tell I am losing weight since the pants I bought 3 weeks ago are too loose now O_o. Oh well it was from the Goodwill anyways :D
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On June 28 2011 11:11 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 11:10 rayout wrote:On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Then you trigger a starvation response and your body reduces caloric expenditure until you are net even. If your diet is based on carbohydrates you may still put on weight. Read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes...lots of citations on impoverished populations doing backbreaking labor getting less than 1500 calories a day becoming wretchedly obese. I've been curious. Should I read that first, or "Good Calories, Bad Calories", or does it matter?
I'd say read Why We Get Fat first. It is a condensed version of Good Calories, Bad Calories (GCBC). You can always go back and read GCBC if you want to learn more. Or you can google for one of Taubes' lectures on YouTube which does a good job covering the main topics in his books.
I read GCBC first and still enjoyed Why We Get Fat. But I found myself skipping around GCBC to the sections that interested me then going back and finishing the rest. Taubes ended up covering quite a bit of history on how the government was mislead about dietary fat/cholesterol when I just wanted to learn more about what really causes obesity.
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On June 28 2011 10:52 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:51 decafchicken wrote:On June 28 2011 10:24 buickskylark wrote:On June 28 2011 10:10 decafchicken wrote:
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet. how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet? Eating a lot of meat. And drinking a lot of milk. I dont find paleo to be that hard to stick with (as long as youre not trying to eat 5k cal a day like i am T_T). Once i stopped eating grains/most sugars for about a week i lost most of my desire to eat them. Decaf, you need to make a paleo guide
There's a million of them! Google things like "paleo shopping list" or anything by rob wolf etc. The easiest way is to go to the grocery store and don't go into a single aisle. Pretty much everything you need is on the outside around the aisles and everything processed/shitty for you is in an aisle. You don't really even need to count calories or pounds once you start eating clean, just eat when you're hungry and use a mirror instead of a scale.
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Way to be man. 21 here weighed 310 in March of this year, currently at 245 now :D. Work out everyday. 40min of cardio minimum, plus weights.
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On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote:
I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight. Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
Actually for people not already relatively lean it is that simple. Most people can diet down to around 10-15% body fat before the minutia starts to matter. Willpower is the big reason more people aren't in better shape.
I recommend anyone interested in nutrition, weight loss, or exercise science take a look at some of the articles on http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ as the wealth of information freely available there is incredible.
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