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Recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply give what I did, and have say several times that it is extreme. So for all of you that can't get over how "bad" my diet is, follow the advice to make one that you DO consider healthy, but realize all of my points still stand.
We live in an age of prominent obesity, apathy, and depression. In my recent time, through personal experience as well as reading, I have come to the conclusion that the 3 are tied together fairly tightly. I will not argue that you can’t be apathetic and depressed if you’re not obese, but I do believe it’s a lot harder -which brings me to my story.
Before I begin with the guide, I’m going to cover a little personal history. Currently I’m 23 years old, 6’3.5”, weigh 175 lbs., spend at least 3 hours a day, 6 days a week, doing physical activity, read 2 books a week leisurely, and am training to become an Officer in the U.S. Air Force, whom will one day compete for a position in one of the most elite teams in the world: USAF Pararescue. Now we’ll juxtapose this by rewinding 5 years. I was 18, 275 lbs., had little motivation, had little integrity (often copied my assignments off of my best friend in the same major), had decent grades, but mostly sat around all day playing video games (competitively at one point, but even then I couldn’t motivate myself to practice as much as I should have).
Reading about those two people (and they really are two different people, despite being in the same body), you can’t help but ask what happened in the 5 years between them. I wish I could say that I just matured, woke up one day with the weight gone, and my mind in the right place – this is obviously not the case. However, at the same time, I didn’t have to devote my entire life to fixing it. In fact, when I lost the first 90 lbs., I really only spent an hour a day exercising, which will soon be explained further. That being said, it does take devotion to do.
THE CATCH-22
There’s an inherent obstacle in trying to become healthy, in that in order to become healthy, you need to have good motivation, but in order to have motivation, you need to be healthy. This is unfortunate, and makes the initial stages quite difficult (how many times have you heard of someone quitting 2 weeks in to their weight loss plan), but not impossible. The key is to find an inherent motivator. By this I mean find a source of inspiration outside of the weight-loss itself, that you have a personal attachment to. This could be for a spouse, for a future job, for a feeling of acceptance (some may argue this is shallow, but we all want to feel accepted), etc. If you don’t have this, your other option is to have a good friend motivate you. This initial motivator is for the first four weeks, the most challenging part of the process. For me personally, my motivation was actually a self-realization of my lack of motivation. This sounds weird, but it’s actually makes more sense than most would think. Eventually, when you give yourself enough goals, that you fail because you can barely motivate yourself to get yourself out of bed, something snaps. A little part of your brain just gives up on giving up. I reached this breaking point the winter of my sophomore year, and I was determined to fix it.
You Are HOW MUCH You Eat
Whenever you start a weight loss plan, the first step should always be diet. There are a lot of pitfalls to diet creations, and this is often the leading cause of people aborting from their plans. In my opinion, there are three key components to consider. The first is to take an honest look at how badly you want to lose weight. Is it life and death to you, or would it just “be nice”? This is going to determine how strict of a diet you can follow. Obviously, the stricter the diet, the better the results you’re going to get, but if you can’t follow the diet in the first place, there’s no point in making it. The second component is to observe yourself, and figure out how many calories you currently consume. This is going to be the starting point from which you’ll literally work backwards. The final component is to figure out how many times a day you can break yourself away from what you’re doing to eat. It’s well known that the more you spread out your calorie consumption, the longer the time your metabolism has to break down the food, allowing for less storing. I highly recommend breaking away from the American standard 3 meals a day, and trying for 5 or 6, if not more.
When actually creating a diet, you have to realize one thing: Portion is more important that substance. By this I mean, contrary to what most American’s are so obsessed with currently, what you eat matters far less than how much you eat. This isn’t to say that you can eat whatever and expect to get maximum results, but at the same time, if you eat 1500 calories of crap a day when you normally consume 4000, you’re still going to lose weight. Compare this to changing that 4000 calories of crap to 4000 calories of “good stuff”, you might lose a little weight, but it won’t be apparent.
When I started to create a diet plan during spring break, I knew this was life and death for me. I told myself that if I was going to do this, I was going to do it right – from the get-go. After research and talking to a few “experts” I figured out what the minimum amount of calories that I could consume while still being “healthy” was. For me, this was 1300 calories. So, I worked with that number.
I feel that I need to touch on protein powders and supplements. First you need to realize that they are just that: supplements. They are great for a high protein, low calorie (as long as you get the right ones) addition to your diet. I probably even replaced a few too many of my calories with protein powder, but just don’t try to live off of them.
I’m not even going to begin covering the different types of diets out there, as there are literally hundreds. I will however tell you that the one thing every diet expert CAN agree on, is the more natural it is, the better it is for you. This means as close to the ground or an animal as possible. If it’s fried, processed, fabricated, or created in a lab, avoid it. As for whether to avoid this, or eat a lot of that, I’ll let you decide. Personally, I went for high protein, low carbs. For those that are lost, I will give an example of my *extreme* diet:
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Minutes of Pain - Lifetime of Pleasure
Exercise - many of us dread the word, because it means we are going to be tired, sore, sweaty, and it really just doesn’t feel great. But wait, if it’s not fun, why are there so many people that thrive on it, whether it be swimming for hours, playing Basketball or Football, rock climbing, gymnastics, or just trying to jump up walls. These are all activities that are taxing on the body, but are enjoyed by many. The separation is simple: the mind. We all use the same muscles, and display the same symptoms, but the brain is what tells us whether these are good or bad, enjoyable or miserable. Most often, this isn’t conscious, but is instilled by how we approach exercise. If we approach it as a chore, it’s not going to be fun. If we approach it as a challenge, it often becomes exhilarating, and we look forward to it. For some, it can be difficult to obtain this mindset, which is understandable when your body practically screams at you if you try to so much as run half a mile. No matter what the thoughts, in order to lose weight, exercise is essential.
One of the biggest reliefs to the incoming prospect of having to exercise regularly in order to lose weight is that you really don’t need much, especially when you’re just going for weight loss. There are, however, some pitfalls that are very important to avoid when creating an exercise plan.
The first thing to understand is that the body is a whole, of bones, fat, and of a culmination of muscles that work together to accomplish tasks. This means that you should exercise all muscles, and for maximum results, exercise them equally and regularly. The main thing to address here is runner’s syndrome. Often we look at the guys and girls that are great runners, see how skinny they are, and think that we have to “run our fat off”. While you do lose weight, you will lose a lot more weight by working the entire body. This is why a lot of females find themselves unable to lose that last bit of weight, because they never work their upper body, they just run all day. It’s the same with guys that want their six-pack, and do crunches all day. You have to work the body as a whole.
The second important thing to understand is that for as much as you need to work your muscles, you need to rest them more. Our bodies are built to endure a lot, but they still need time to repair. While you’re doing your part to work muscles by lifting weights, doing pushups/pullups, and running laps, your body has to do even more just to fix all the “damage” you’ve just done. There are two ways to work with this reality; you can work out every other day, or you can cycle your workouts so that you work one group the first day, and the other group the next. An important thing to remember is that we spend a good chunk of our life on our legs and feet, so the body is fairly used to patching those muscles up pretty quickly. This means that you can run a lot more often than you can lift or do plyometrics.
A final important point is that free-weights are always going to be more effective than the machines. That point I just made about muscles working together? That kicks in here. Isolating muscles with machines is going to give the body plenty to repair, and in turn make it nice and big, but it’s not going to learn how to work with the other muscles around it, which in turn makes it weak. Think of it this way, would you rather have a Basketball team of great individual players, or a team of good players that work well as a team? Your body is the same way. I know some of you are thinking, “but this guide is about weight loss, I’m not really worried about muscle gain!” On that same principle of body wholeness, your body uses calories to do its work, and when it’s busy using them to repair muscle, it has a lot less to contribute to fat. In fact, it will often use that fat as part of the energy to repair those muscles.
So now you’re at the point where you want to know what the hell I did that I only needed an hour a day to lose so much weight. Well, here it is:
Sun: Absolutely nothing Mon: Walk 10 mins -> Run for 10 mins -> 30 mins Biceps, Chest, Upper Back, Abs -> Walk 10 mins Tues: Walk 10 mins -> Run for 10 mins -> 30 mins Triceps, Shoulders, Lower Back, Abs -> Walk 10 mins Wed: Walk 10 mins -> 30 mins Run/Walk Intervals -> Walk 10 mins Thurs: See Mon Fri: See Tues Sat: See Wed
Watching the Pounds Drop: Tips and Tricks
So you’ve got your diet, you’ve got your exercise program, now you want to know how to maximize your weight loss, so that you can be proud of every day you step onto the scale. Here’s a list of tips and tricks:
- Stop eating within 4 hours of going to bed. - On your Sunday, eat something outside of your diet. If you want to keep it healthy but fun, try a Subway Sandwich on wheat, cut into 1/3s with the chicken, no cheese, veggies, and mustard. - Take a vitamin supplement with your breakfast. I also took Fish Oil pills, and Green Tea pills. - Drink plenty of water. This is VERY IMPORTANT. I recommend at least a gallon a day. Try to carry a water bottle with you everywhere you go. - Stay away from dairy. - Find as many friends and family as you can that you see regularly, and tell them what you are doing. Encourage them to support you, motivate you, and encourage you. - Gym buddies are VERY helpful for making sure you don’t slack. - Read books on mindset. I recommend Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl, and Unlimited Power by Anthony Robbins. - As you get slimmer and healthier, try some of those sports you’ve never thought you were in good enough shape to do. - Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.
If you follow this guide, I guarantee you will see results, and you will look healthier as well as feel it. You have to experience it to truly understand, but the amount of motivation you get is phenomenal, and for those of us that came from almost none, you start to feel invincible.
This part of the guide is for losing weight only. If you stick to it, you’re going to hit a point where you find yourself no longer needing to lose weight, but instead to gain muscle, and really get into good shape. If you think you feel good now after losing the weight, just weight (get it?), the best is yet to come.
Part II
So you’ve lost the weight, you’re looking pretty good, and now you want to have some tone, and become as strong as you can be. This section is less of a guide, and more of a story – my story.
When I was done with simple weight loss, I was 190 lbs. I felt awesome, but the reality was I really wasn’t that strong. I could do 18 pushups max, I could only do 2 pullups, and I could hardly do a situp without someone holding my feet. I actually reached this point of decent weight, but not so strong when I was 21. I really didn’t even think about the next step. I had accomplished my goal, and I felt great. It wasn’t until 4 months ago that my life was turned upside down.
Once I reached my goal, I was feeling great, and I had a realization that I wasn’t following the path that I wanted. As such, I switched schools and majors, and got a job on the side. As time went on, I wasn’t ever exercising, but I was maintaining my weight purely through diet (yes, to those of you that read the first part and were convinced I would gain it all back, I was able to keep it off). The issue here is that while I continued to still look just as healthy, I slowly started to lose that motivation that comes from staying active. As such, I began slowly drifting into a rut, taking classes but not enjoying them as I should, and getting absolutely bored out of my mind with my dead end job, but doing nothing about it. It took two years before I finally hit that “breaking point” that I talked about earlier. It was at this point that I was gung-ho again.
My first step was to figure out a way that I could work out, and have fun at the same time. When I was at my first University, I attended some classes in a Self Defense called Krav Maga. I enjoyed it, as it was really good cardio, as well as invaluable skill learning. Recently, a new building that taught it had opened up near my house. So, I signed up. The next step was muscles. I looked online at what my gym options were; I wanted a gym that would be close-by, as well as affordable. I decided on the Bally’s near my house, and got in on one of their “this week only” deals. I even haggled them down a bit further (for those of you that don’t know, gym membership salespeople [at least in America] are just like car dealers, you can bargain with them). I then looked at the class schedule, and used my work schedule, to make a plan on when I could set aside time for workouts. Initially, this was 4 days a week, 2 at the gym, 2 at Krav.
It started out well, and like before, I was really motivated. I even made the decision that I was going to work on endurance more than strength (more reps, less weight). This decision was partly influenced by the fact that I had always been a big guy, and the idea of being “lean” sounded quite appealing to me. So I used my free personal trainer session to figure out how to do all the exercises that I decided I would focus on properly, as well as determine the weights I wanted to start at. For some example, here were some starter exercises and weights I was using:
The initial warmup for Krav Maga was about 10 minutes of a pretty good cardio workout, using specialized movements to increase the heart rate quickly (bear crawls, side steps, lunge walks, etc.). After that, I made sure to use max effort on all of my strikes (punching/elbowing/kicking/kneeing at full force gets tiring quickly).
One day, after one of my Krav Maga classes, one of the instructors approached me, asked me a little about myself, and after listening to my goals, told me about another class he taught. He explained that one of the most effective ways to gain muscle quickly is to do short time, high intensity workouts, with plenty of rest in between (by this I mean, plenty of muscle rest in between sessions, not rest between exercises). His way of doing this was a sport called “Crossfit”. Currently, I can tell you that Crossfit is essentially a new “fad” that uses methods called “WODs” (Workout of the Day) to wear you out quick. Each WOD uses a combination of individual exercises that tend to focus on multiple muscles. These can range from Olympic lifts such as deadlifts, push press, squats, etc., to plyometrics like pushups, pullups, situps, etc, all the way to specialized movements like rope climbs, wall balls, kettlebell swings, and much more. For a full list of the different techniques used, feel free to check out the official Crossfit website.
I’m going to take a brief intermission here to explain something outside of the working out itself, which is the amount of inspiration that can come from one person. This instructor, Sevrin, began to take me under his wing. He saw how badly I wanted to become fit, and how much potential I had, and literally made me a friend. He invited me out to lunch to discuss my life, and find out where I was, and where I wanted to be. At that time, I was still at my dead end job, but I was also making some money on the side through a small business idea I came up with. As for my future though, I hadn’t really thought about it to the point I needed to. Currently, I was taking EMT classes, and just working. I had a “short-term” goal of finishing school, and working on an Ambulance, but really, I felt like there was so much I wasn’t doing or thinking about. It was at that point, that I really started thinking about it, which became possible now that my mind was feeling healthy again. I relayed all of my thoughts through Sevrin, and after a while, I realized that I was taking EMT classes because I wanted to help people, but after “ride-alongs” I realized it wasn’t so much what I wanted, to sit around in an ambulance transporting fat/old people all day, with the occasional accident, or real issue. I wanted to help people that truly needed it. It was at that point that I found out about Pararescue. It sounded like a dream to me (and to those of you that know what it is, and the reality that they have a 35% mortality rate, yes, my dream realized that). I knew that this was my calling, that this is what I was meant to do. This gave my physical training meaning. However, after talking to the right people, I was encouraged to go into Officer training. This would a) get me a backup education in case the harsh reality becomes that I’m not cut out for Pararescue, and b) be give me 4 years to train hard, as opposed to months. So, I applied, tested, and got in with a scholarship.
During all of this talk and thought, I was continuing to go to the gym, take Krav classes, and do Crossfit, each twice a week. This became a 6 day a week commitment. I wasn’t just training for something, I was preparing. My first set of goals had already been presented. I had seven months to be able to do 62 pushups, 56 situps, and run a 9 minute mile and a half. I told Sevrin this, and he just smiled and said “no problem, for you, this is going to be a cakewalk”. As of writing this, I’m 3.5 months in, and my results are pretty good to say the least. For comparison, I’ll use my initial exercise gauge:
Not too bad for three and a half months, right? In that time, I also lost 15 lbs, which was 5% bodyfat, but my arms grew from 11.5” to 13.5”, and my waist went from 34” to 31”. My abdominal muscles (the infamous six-pack) can be seen when I suck in my gut. With my current schedule, I eat 1800 calories a day, 50% complex carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat, with a TON of vegetables (I have a big Tupperware container mixed with romaine lettuce, spinach, cucumbers, carrots, peppers, and broccoli). I follow the rule of 85%, which means one day a week I double my calorie intake to 3600, and break away from the diet. This allows my stomach to stay expanded, in turn keeping my metabolism going, as well as keeping my stomach lining strong. My workout schedule is still six days a week, but twice a day. This a mixture of the gym, krav, crossfit, running, rucking (carrying a 45 lb backpack and walking 3+ miles in boots), and Insanity ®. I also work a side job currently (just for some cash until I start my military training), as well as read 2 books a week, on top of the weekly Economist, and monthly Scientific American.
Many of my friends and family would tell you that I often seemed like the last person to become as strong and as motivated as I have become. Currently I’m even mentoring my mother on her weight loss, which is now starting to actually make progress (don’t worry, I’m not giving her my extreme diet from before). I encourage everyone to find the courage to fight for a healthier life, because it is a battle, and one that you alone can win. I’m finally winning my battle, and every day is an adventure I love. Good luck to everyone, and feel free to ask me any questions you might have.
*EDIT* I feel I need to address a couple of concerns with my diet, and just how extreme it is. First before I get into the actual health, I would like to state that switching from a typical American 4k+ calorie diet to a 1240 calorie one is hard. VERY HARD. The first two weeks were the biggest mental battle of my life. I cheated a couple of times, but not in huge ways. Second, in regards to it being dangerous, as I said, I talked to a few experts. I knew the risks vs rewards I was dealing with, and my calories were tailored to my body. The key with a low calorie diet like this is that in order to not have muscle loss, you need high protein , high fat, and complex carbohydrates, as well as have a consistent routine that works all of your muscles (but doesn't overwork them). I wouldn't say this is safe, but if done carefully, it's also not dangerous. My biggest worry was actually stretch marks from how quickly I was losing weight, which I didn't even get much of. If you are serious about losing your extra weight, and seeing results quickly, my diet does work, but has to be handled perfectly. If you sustain injuries, you actually need to up your calorie intake. Also not all protein powders are created equal. In fact, most are crap. The key is to find one that is low calorie, high protein, and doesn't have a lot of the extra "crap" in it. I actually did use one with creatine for a while, but that can be quite dangerous (although effective for weight loss).
A Note on Bibliography: I didn’t actually use any sources for any of this writing. I’m sure much of this can be found elsewhere in other writing, but all of this is in my own words from my own experience. Any direct parallels to other writing are purely coincidence. This also means some information could be wrong, so please use it at your own risk.
This is just what I needed. Compact, precise, informative. I have had such trouble finding one single guide to stick to. It becomes so much easier when someone does the hard work for you I will be following your daily training regiment. Thank you! +rep
Nice little guide. I do disagree with the "telling everyone whatcha doing for their encouragement part" because a study has shown that the likelihood of you actually completing something is significantly lower than if you were to just keep quiet. The reason is that the praise you get from "oh wow that's great," triggers the same mental response as actually completing something, so you'll be less likely to go through with it.
I'm going to start going to the gym but I'm not going to tell anyone because it's all on me.
On June 02 2011 07:07 SolHeiM wrote: Nice little guide. I do disagree with the "telling everyone whatcha doing for their encouragement part" because a study has shown that the likelihood of you actually completing something is significantly lower than if you were to just keep quiet.
I agree with his point for a lot of things, but weightloss is one that I don't. The reason I don't apply his theory to weightloss is because there are visual results, meaning that whether you tell people or not, they're going to notice. The "fake accomplishment" isn't fake at all. Also, weightloss is something everyone can do, and isn't a goal that you need to concentrate on by yourself. The more people you involve, the more likely you are to accomplish it together.
On June 02 2011 07:07 SolHeiM wrote: Nice little guide. I do disagree with the "telling everyone whatcha doing for their encouragement part" because a study has shown that the likelihood of you actually completing something is significantly lower than if you were to just keep quiet.
I agree with his point for a lot of things, but weightloss is one that I don't. The reason I don't apply his theory to weightloss is because there are visual results, meaning that whether you tell people or not, they're going to notice. Also, weightloss is something everyone can do, and isn't a goal that you need to concentrate on yourself. The more people you involve, the more likely you are to accomplish it together.
If you have a gym buddy then maybe, because those people are the people you go to the gym with. But telling your friends who aren't going to the gym is just going to trigger the false sense of accomplishment as they praise your goal you haven't actually achieved.
If you're a big fat bloater your friends will compliment you on your visual results anyway. The reason this does apply is because a visual result happens after you achieve it and not before, completely contradictory to your idea that it doesn't apply. Writing a book is something everyone can do, the question is only how good it will be. Everyone can go to the gym, the only difference is in result will be commitment to the weight loss. The only one responsible for your goal is yourself and keeping quiet about what you want to do is much better than telling everyone what you're intending to achieve before you actually achieve it.
Visual results won't happen until you stick with it for a long time because going to the gym irregularly for a month and then quitting because you already got your false sense of accomplishment and then gaining it all back is not going to do anything.
Thanks for your nice writeup. I'm 27 now, but back in high school I was also quite overweight and lost a significant amount of weight once I put my mind to it and stuck to exercise and portion control. That's really what it's about folks!
On June 02 2011 07:23 SolHeiM wrote: Visual results won't happen until you stick with it for a long time because going to the gym irregularly for a month and then quitting because you already got your false sense of accomplishment and then gaining it all back is not going to do anything.
This is just plain wrong. Your face begins to look thinner after a week of sticking to this plan.
Weight loss isn't like starting a business, or becoming a pro at something. It's effected by meals (which often are shared with OTHER people), and going to the gym, which is EASIER to do regularly by having another person, or people to go with.
On June 02 2011 07:23 SolHeiM wrote: Visual results won't happen until you stick with it for a long time because going to the gym irregularly for a month and then quitting because you already got your false sense of accomplishment and then gaining it all back is not going to do anything.
This is just plain wrong. Your face begins to look thinner after a week of sticking to this plan.
Weight loss isn't like starting a business, or becoming a pro at something. It's effected by meals (which often are shared with OTHER people), and going to the gym, which is EASIER to do regularly by having another person, or people to go with.
Don't different people lose weight in different ways?
Also I've lost like 25 lb so far (on my own plan) but my gut is still soo big. My face DID get a bit thinner though so that's all good haha.
Not looking to lose weight but read this anyway. Very well written and concise. Congrats on your new found look on life, if this helps even one person it would have been worth it.
On June 02 2011 07:23 SolHeiM wrote: Visual results won't happen until you stick with it for a long time because going to the gym irregularly for a month and then quitting because you already got your false sense of accomplishment and then gaining it all back is not going to do anything.
This is just plain wrong. Your face begins to look thinner after a week of sticking to this plan.
Weight loss isn't like starting a business, or becoming a pro at something. It's effected by meals (which often are shared with OTHER people), and going to the gym, which is EASIER to do regularly by having another person, or people to go with.
A thinner face after just one week? I guess this is what week 3 looks like
hehehe. Jokes
Very cool guide man. Personally have lost 50 pounds from running and free weights. I''m not as muscular as I would like, but hey its better than being 50 pounds over weight
On June 02 2011 07:07 SolHeiM wrote: Nice little guide. I do disagree with the "telling everyone whatcha doing for their encouragement part" because a study has shown that the likelihood of you actually completing something is significantly lower than if you were to just keep quiet. The reason is that the praise you get from "oh wow that's great," triggers the same mental response as actually completing something, so you'll be less likely to go through with it.
I'm going to start going to the gym but I'm not going to tell anyone because it's all on me.
Wow, thanks for that. I'm exactly the type of person who does that in terms of studying (i.e. I'm going to finally change how I work and focus instead of literally surfing the net for 8-9 hours straight after school each day, etc.), and end up not going through with it after announcing it.
I will actually go work now. Or maybe I shouldn't be announcing it
Great read. I'm not particularly overweight but overtime the course of my college years I've gained about 10 lbs too many. So I've started to exercise with the goal of losing weight for the first time. I really didn't like it, it felt like a chore. This thread reminded of the days when i would work myself out more then I ever did in my entire life because I did it for fun.
Only now I'm starting to remember how to have fun while working out. The burn from lifting weight feels really fun, so in combination of that AND running for a good 3 miles should feel great. I figured because just running is boring as hell and only your legs feel burnt while your entire body is tired so as a guy you don't really feel any sense of accomplishment seeing how you haven't done any resistance training. It's awesome when you can flex your muscles after a hard week of working out =D
I exercise 35-45 hours a month, and could easily gain weight while maintaining my training routine. Remember that human beings aren't supposed to HAVE to exercise to stay slender, especially not women. Being aware of what you eat is what's the most important, even if you put down 80+ hours a month.
Exercise can make it alot easier if you get hooked on it! In part because exercise has a double effect. It burns calories, and "steals" time that could have been spent eating. Also try out different stuff, like skiing, cycling, running, hiking, rollerblades. Find something that fits you. Don't just walk because it has worked for someone else. I found out that cross country (skate) skiing is the most fun I've ever had in my life, and it's become an addiction that I like.
It's okay to have a snack now and then, especially if you cut away all thirst drinks containing calories from your life. Exceptions being alcohol of course, and milk as a post-workout restitution meal.
If you want to lose weight, stop eating toxic stuff. Go on a raw diet.
Water is also the most important substance for your body so drinking 2 liters of water daily is REQUIRED, and if you REALLY want to lose weight buy this. Not an endorsement, I'm so freaking surprised its even working but its science is understandable. I've actually gotten to the point where I am toxin free. I did a bunch of diarrhea and had a lot of rashes for the month after I started drinking this water but I'm so hydrated now that I'm pretty much at optimal health. You can't do this with tap, bottled or pretty much any water. It has to be structured.
Vegetables + fruits 80% of the time. The other 20% can be lean meats and boiled vegetables.
Adipose tissue doesn't accumulate because you eat a lot, or because you eat the wrong types of fats, those are co-relations to the TRUE reason why you are fat.
Toxins.
Exercising alone is great but you are doing your body a disservice if you aren't aware of the true culprit.
Your body is a very smart and efficient machine. When introduced with a burger or something that just doesn't sit well in the body, or with a food that may have more toxins than preferred, it attempts to flush those toxins out via Poo, pee, sweat, even sneezing and coughing. It also releases toxins through the skins natural respiration, not the same as sweat.
If this happens over time, they accumulate. In this predicament your body can do one of two things, it can either put those extra toxins near your organs, burdening them and degenerating them, or it can put them in adipose tissue. It is simply a defense mechanism.
Losing weight is very easy once you understand this. Toxins are what kill people. Toxins are what you need to get rid of.
Dry skin brushing, oil pulling, salt flushes, are all amazing to accelerate your detox process. Yes you have to detox from these chemicals. I've done dry skin brushing for 3 months and I have lost all cellulite on my skin, and the benefits of these detox techniques are outstanding if you have the discipline for them.
Great thread. I have lost 38 kilograms in one hand a half year, but gained 10 kilograms past 5 months due to depression, and bad weather, which gives you bad morale, makes you eat more. In short, many things and details are important when you're on a diet, but the most important part of it is mental, if you are determined, you can do anything (I lost 38 kilograms, that's like one third of the body weight I had) and when I failed mentally, I gained 10. So never let lose of it.
I have kind of hit a point where I couldn't get under 88kilograms (85 and lower was the target) so I kind of thought (well this is enough) and just started not as much caring about what I eat after that point, thinking nothing bad will happen (because to be honest in past for countless time I've gone to my dietician whining "omg I gained weight" and I just didn't..but this time it surprised me, I was expecting it, but sort of like 3-4, not 10). But I just didn't/couldn't control myself properly and ate too many of desserts and also some alcohol, so I gained this 10kilograms. My dietician gave me a new plan, which is to get to 84 in 2 months. I have really been dedicated about this, and to have it gone this way kind of scares and worries me, but I'm sure with my determination, which helped me to get lose of 38 kilograms, would help me correct this mistake easily with the same kind of focus.
Some important things I wanna put out:
1) Drink 2-2,5 of water every day. It will fasten up your metabolism, help to clean your blood and your kidneys will love it.
2) If you are going to eat something sweety, like a cake or biscuit, do it with a glass of milk. If you are going to eat something salty, like Pizza or Taco or whatever is served where you live, eat it with yoghurt soluted in water. Just put 2 spoonfulls of yoghurt into a glass, add water to half, and mix it up until it gets really white in colour. It is called Ayran in Turkey and also consumed a lot in Balkans, anyways this is what my dietician told me about. I think the reason for that was to not let the sugar metabolised into simple ones but to complex ones or something, it was something related to that, protein binding to sugar or whatnot.
3) This is super important NEVER STAY HUNGRY for more than 3 Hours!! You need to eat something. Small snacks. A banana. A small bowl of yoghurt. Things like that. You absolutely should never stay hungry for more than 3 hours, 2 hours is imo the best way, but you have time until 3 hours pass.
4) Always, but always have a breakfast half an hour to an hour after you wake up. Or your body will slow down the metabolism, you wanna have the boost from the beginning.
5) Exercise is important, but not that important in the beginning, because just the change of your diet will make you lose weight, but after some point, it's not enough. You'll notice it, you'll be consistently losing weight and then for 2 weeks or so consecutively, you won't lose a gram even though you've done everything correctly. Start exercising, 3 times a week. It doesn't have to be intense, just walking with a good tempo is enough, weights etc. is unnecessary.
6) Don't eat anything after 8:00 am, unless you are instructed to do so by your diet. If you eat fruit, do it with a glass of milk. If you eat say, watermelon, take it with some low-fat cheese. Do not eat anything sweety, like cakes or something. 7) Sleep well.
8) If you are going to eat something calorie heavy that day (for example as part of a "prize" for your accomplishments, try to have that meal early on, preferably at lunch.
On June 02 2011 08:05 Demand2k wrote:It's okay to have a snack now and then, especially if you cut away all thirst drinks containing calories from your life. Exceptions being alcohol of course, and milk as a post-workout restitution meal.
Find your own twist!
Alcohol actually contains tons of calories as well. I think a study compared a 33cl beer to a 33cl coke and the beer had almost the same amount of calories in it as the coke. But the age old saying "anything is good in moderation" sort of works. Just don't live on it and you shouldn't have any problems with your weight.
Congrats on your change of lifestyle . I can advise everyone who's interested in more info on working out, nutrition etc. to check out the TL Health and Fitness Initiative 2011 thread in the community section.
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Let's say you have an full time office job, or school. How would you be able to follow this schedual (specfically the 10am-4pm time) The average work time per day is like 7am-4pm. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm currently in school so during the summer I try to exercise alot more. I go biking from 10am-11am. Something like that. I didn't really set a diet so I didnt lose weight but turned fat--> muscle a lot. But if you have a job you can't not work during summer. You use vacation days for vacations, and sick days if your sick.
Or what modification could you make to the schedual to work effectivly if 8am-4pm is taken up?
I'm 5'9" and dropped about 50 pounds in net terms (while gaining a ton of muscle) a few years ago. I'll just tell you that your diet matters more than anything else that you do. If you count calories like the OP did and limit your intake, you'll shed weight no matter how much you exercise.
For what it's worth, my diet/routine included eating a meal only at lunch, drinking protein shakes in the morning and in the evening, and going to the gym daily for weight training. My daily caloric intake was probably about 1000 calories per day -- more or less. I didn't really care about what I ate at lunch. I ate basically whatever I wanted because it really didn't matter as long as I didn't binge eat. I also did quite a bit of salsa dancing (laugh all you want, but that's where the hot chicks were, including my wife).
EDIT: Cut out as many non-water beverages as possible. This includes minimizing your alcohol intake. You can easily save yourself hundreds of calories per day by taking this one simply step. That said, I broke this rule all of the time because I was in law school and required coffee (ie latte's from Starbucks) regularly.
On June 02 2011 08:16 Robonord wrote: Can you go into details of why water is so important? I have a really hard time drinking that much water in a day. If I knew the science behind it I might be motivated more. Thanks.
If ur an unmotivated shitbag like myself - just keep a glass in ur room and fill it up in the sink when u need a drink cuz its closer than the kitchen.
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Let's say you have an full time office job, or school. How would you be able to follow this schedual (specfically the 10am-4pm time) The average work time per day is like 7am-4pm. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm currently in school so during the summer I try to exercise alot more. I go biking from 10am-11am. Something like that. I didn't really set a diet so I didnt lose weight but turned fat--> muscle a lot. But if you have a job you can't not work during summer. You use vacation days for vacations, and sick days if your sick.
Or what modification could you make to the schedual to work effectivly if 8am-4pm is taken up?
Unfortunately it's not as easy for some to find the time as others. As I suggested in my guide, determine how many times you can pull yourself away. Every time you eat, it should be for a purpose. Make use of every chance, and if you only have 3 chances in the day, then make the best use of it. The nice thing about protein shakes is that you can keep a couple pre-mixed bottles in a backpack, and drink them anywhere.
I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Let's say you have an full time office job, or school. How would you be able to follow this schedual (specfically the 10am-4pm time) The average work time per day is like 7am-4pm. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm currently in school so during the summer I try to exercise alot more. I go biking from 10am-11am. Something like that. I didn't really set a diet so I didnt lose weight but turned fat--> muscle a lot. But if you have a job you can't not work during summer. You use vacation days for vacations, and sick days if your sick.
Or what modification could you make to the schedual to work effectivly if 8am-4pm is taken up?
Make a schedule based on the simple rules of exercise in the morning, regular meals so you don't go around feeling hungry for prolonged periods of time. Going hungry for two hours is horrible for your overall metabolism. Eating five times a day with breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner and perhaps something before you go to bed is what you want to do. Try to never, ever go hungry. That doesn't mean you should feel full all the time, it means you shouldn't have your stomach growling.
Put 30 minutes into exercising in the morning, some jogging for 15 minutes and then 15 minutes back, shower, eat, drink and then go to work. If all you do is sit in an office you have plenty of options to have a healthy snack in between getting to work and lunch time. And then once you finish work the first thing you do is hit the gym. Simple.
You don't need a diet, you just need to watch what you eat. That doesn't include counting calories by the way, because it's unnecessary. Just eating healthy and not indulging in crap is enough.
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Extreme is right. That's 1240 calories a day with almost no real food. If you're going to do this, you better be taking quite a few supplements. Also, be careful what kind of protein powder you use, as some are unsafe. In fact, in the US, no supplements or protein powders are regulated. You're trusting the company to provide a safe product. Don't just trust the labels either. Do some research.
I've been out of shape the past couple years, but I used to be very into fitness. This plan looks downright unsafe to me. You're better off eating more (and more actual food) while also increasing exercise. Talk to a doctor if you're thinking of following this exact plan. If you're losing anywhere near 1 pound (0.5 kg) a day for more than about a week or two after starting, something is wrong.
Your story is almost exactly like mine, was 19 6'3 300+lbs. Then i met someone who also lost 100+ pounds. He showed me pictures of before and after and it seriously motivated me. I started drinking nothing except water and started doing light cardio. Got a weight set and a boxing bag as a birthday present. I could barely walk 1/4 a mile and could barely do 1 push-up (i still remember how sore i was). Nowadays i am 23 170lbs have great cardio and can do 150+ consecutive push-ups. Finding the right motivation is the key, i kept it in my head that my life and happiness will improve as my body did. Great guide, i 100% agree with it. hope it motivates someone to start changing their lifestyle for the better!
Cool guide. Even though it's about weight loss, which I'm not interested in since I'm not overweight, I still read the entire post. The ideas can surely be applied to a whole bunch of different goals in life.
The only thing I'm curious about is... how do people manage to let themselves get into the situation with the catch-22 in the first place?
On June 02 2011 08:36 Roija wrote: Your story is almost exactly like mine, was 19 6'3 300+lbs. Then i met someone who also lost 100+ pounds. He showed me pictures of before and after and it seriously motivated me. I started drinking nothing except water and started doing light cardio. Got a weight set and a boxing bag as a birthday present. I could barely walk 1/4 a mile and could barely do 1 push-up (i still remember how sore i was). Nowadays i am 23 170lbs have great cardio and can do 150+ consecutive push-ups. Finding the right motivation is the key, i kept it in my head that my life and happiness will improve as my body did. Great guide, i 100% agree with it. hope it motivates someone to start changing their lifestyle for the better!
Yeah, motiviation is important. Getting torched by a girl was what did it for me.
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Extreme is right. That's 1240 calories a day with almost no real food. If you're going to do this, you better be taking quite a few supplements. Also, be careful what kind of protein powder you use, as some are unsafe. In fact, in the US, no supplements or protein powders are regulated. You're trusting the company to provide a safe product. Don't just trust the labels either. Do some research.
I've been out of shape the past couple years, but I used to be very into fitness. This plan looks downright unsafe to me. You're better off eating more (and more actual food) while also increasing exercise. Talk to a doctor if you're thinking of following this exact plan. If you're losing anywhere near 1 pound (0.5 kg) a day for more than about a week or two after starting, something is wrong.
I think its great what you are doing, but I have to agree that this diet really is really really extreme. 1240 calories a day is below what the body needs to function properly. You will probably lose alot of weight, but going this route, you are actually losing alot of muscle mass as well. if you go below your metabolic resting rate or whatever its called in English, your body is using muscles for fuel.
On June 02 2011 08:44 teamsolid wrote: Cool guide. Even though it's about weight loss, which I'm not interested in since I'm not overweight, I still read the entire post. The ideas can surely be applied to a whole bunch of different goals in life.
The only thing I'm curious about is... how do people manage to let themselves get into the situation with the catch-22 in the first place?
Evolution has taught your brain to do everything in its power to consume as many calories as possible and hold on to all the fat it can store. This turns out to cause weight gain when you are constantly presented with more food than is healthy to consume.
I'm currently on a training regime which emphasizes running before weights. I still do weights, just not as much as I used to, its mainly to keep my upper body from becoming flabby. As for a diet, I can't really do it. I can't be that guy, weighing my food in the evening, counting calories. Fuck that shit. Best I've been able to do is just be aware of what I'm eating, I pick chicken and fish over pasta and fries and I eat a bag of nuts in between each meal to keep my metabolism going.
I have a concern though. See my stomach specifically is kinda flabby. Large ball of flesh. What's gonna happen to the skin when I lose my excess weight? I've seen severely obese guys look like they're wearing a t-shirt five times their size when they quickly drop weight, and they require surgery to become normal. Granted, I'm nowhere near that fat, just something like 10-15 kilos overweight, but I'm still a little anxious.
What's gonna happen to my skin if I lose my overweight?
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On June 02 2011 08:20 Dalguno wrote: Does TL have an actual weight loss thread? I know about the Health and Fitness thread, but that seems to be more weight lifting.
We are trying to turn the Health and Fitness thread into a sub-forum so that we can cover the wider array of interests. It's unfortunate that it is perceived as solely a weight lifting thread, and hopefully the sub-forum will help to fix that.
I really like your point about food amount, rather than composition. Of course, if you want to gain muscle and lose weight, then you will need to alter the macronutrient ratios to include more protein. But the logic still remains that caloric deficit is the iron rule to any form of weight, or fat loss.
1- Eat 4 times every single fucking day 2- If you need to go from a department to another in campus, take a walk 3- Do capoeira 4- Eat like crazy after every single training 5- Do gym sessions 6- Go on eating like crazy 7- Lose 5 lbs after a month like that.
I believe from what I've read and seen that forgotten0ne is the prime member on this forum for health and exercise advice?
Or am I wrong.
Cause after reading his posts in this thread I'm going to call most of his stuff completely uneducated, some of it makes sense but jesus christ..
My tutor that took me for the past 4 years I spent in College and University doing a Health and Personal Training course would call you an idiot.
Holy shit.
Starvation diet with 5 days of exercise, are you fucking insane? your diet alone would cause people to be 'not' healthy without serious amounts of supplementation.
If a Trainer at a gym gave me that I'd get him fired! this thread should be deleted for utter bad advice.
Edit: Morteth from what I've read is the guy with the knowledge. He understands it.
These are some really good points but I agree some seem a bit extreme. I'm no fitness expert, but have always thought moderation was the key to success in almost anything we do whether its work, sex, drugs, video games, or weight loss.
I think a lot of times, ppl that have had issues tend to be a bit more fanatical in their new state of mind. Like the smoker that quits, the thug that becomes a bible thumping born again, or the recovered alcoholic that refuses to touch a drink years after he's been sober.
Regardless.. thnx for the topic, gluck with your pursuits, and gjob for beating obesity. At 45, I am showing some early signs of that spare tire. Always took fitness for granted being so active. Fitness just came naturally. Probably time to be a little more structured in putting effort into maintaining health.
On June 02 2011 08:20 Dalguno wrote: Does TL have an actual weight loss thread? I know about the Health and Fitness thread, but that seems to be more weight lifting.
We are trying to turn the Health and Fitness thread into a sub-forum so that we can cover the wider array of interests. It's unfortunate that it is perceived as solely a weight lifting thread, and hopefully the sub-forum will help to fix that.
On June 02 2011 10:06 B34ST wrote: I believe from what I've read and seen that forgotten0ne is the prime member on this forum for health and exercise advice?
Or am I wrong.
Cause after reading his posts in this thread I'm going to call most of his stuff completely uneducated, some of it makes sense but jesus christ..
My tutor that took me for the past 4 years I spent in College and University doing a Health and Personal Training course would call you an idiot.
Holy shit.
Starvation diet with 5 days of exercise, are you fucking insane? your diet alone would cause people to be 'not' healthy without serious amounts of supplementation.
If a Trainer at a gym gave me that I'd get him fired! this thread should be deleted for utter bad advice.
Edit: Morteth from what I've read is the guy with the knowledge. He understands it.
There's always going to be plenty of self-proclaimed experts on any topic. I don't know why you assume that he is the fitness guru for Team Liquid just because he happened to create a topic on weight loss.
I think he's just trying to show how he disciplined himself and is hoping to inspire others to try to do the same. Obviously you can change certain parts of his regimen to fit yours if you think they're too extreme. I also need to start exercising more because from school I've also gained about 10 pounds that weren't there so I like the way he explains his mindset and how a steady and devoted mindset is what you need.
High protein and low carb diets work great for fast weight loss. But to be fair I usually incorporate a day in there dedicated to high carb intake so your body doesnt think your deliberately starving yourself.
The worst part is when your body reaches the "plateau" stage, when everything is slowed down and it gets much harder to lose weight, especially body fat.
On June 02 2011 08:20 Dalguno wrote: Does TL have an actual weight loss thread? I know about the Health and Fitness thread, but that seems to be more weight lifting.
Some people (lile me) lift weights to lose weight. Weightlifting is a very good way to lose fat.
This diet is extremely dangerous and I wouldn't recommend anyone to follow this guide.
Compare this to changing that 4000 calories of crap to 4000 calories of “good stuff”, you might lose a little weight, but it won’t be apparent.
You'll lose weight, yes, but you'd have to be 500 pounds at 6 feet tall to lose weight with a 4k kcal BMR if you don't get any exercise. (http://www.bmrcalculator.org/) is good place to calculate what your BMR is (The amount of kcalories you need to eat per day and maintain your current weight if you lay in bed all day). Otherwise, 300 pounds at 6 feet tall, you'll still gain weight even if you're eating 4k kcals of good stuff instead of the bad stuff, because your BMR is about 3k kcals.
No one should aim to lose a pound a day, because some of that weight would probably be muscle. The healthy range of weight you should aim to lose is about 1-2 pounds per week. So basically, you should aim to eat 500-1000 kcals less than what your BMR+kcals burnt through exercise is. Also, I'd like to point out that if you exercise a lot per day, you need to account for that and regain those calories. For instance, if your BMR is 2k kcals, and you use 1k kcals through exercise, you should eat 2.5k kcals to reach that 500 kcal deficit (2k+1k=3k. Simple.). So when you exercise, you're basically just adding kcals to your daily "Calorie Bank". But that doesn't mean you don't need exercise. Exercise is helpful in many ways, including replacing fat with muscles.
To lose a pound of fat a day, the OP would have to burn 4,740 Calories(this number includes his BMR) PER DAY based on his diet. That is just insane. Most health experts say you need to eat at least 1.5k kcals a day to stay healthy.
Guys, if you notice, none of my advice is extreme, only my methods. I chose to go extreme, it worked for me. I don't even recommend that you guys do, but to be honest, the body can live on a lot less calories than people think.
On June 02 2011 10:06 B34ST wrote: I believe from what I've read and seen that forgotten0ne is the prime member on this forum for health and exercise advice?
Or am I wrong.
Cause after reading his posts in this thread I'm going to call most of his stuff completely uneducated, some of it makes sense but jesus christ..
My tutor that took me for the past 4 years I spent in College and University doing a Health and Personal Training course would call you an idiot.
Holy shit.
Starvation diet with 5 days of exercise, are you fucking insane? your diet alone would cause people to be 'not' healthy without serious amounts of supplementation.
If a Trainer at a gym gave me that I'd get him fired! this thread should be deleted for utter bad advice.
Edit: Morteth from what I've read is the guy with the knowledge. He understands it.
Hey I was wondering if you had any before or after photos, not necessarily official ones. Just a photo from back then and one recently. Always interesting to see.
I only looked through your calorie count in the OP . . . it's too low, unless you weigh like 90 lbs, and then you don't need to lose weight unless you're four. 0.5-1 lb loss/day will be largely made up of muscle mass. Let's be honest, most people don't give a shit about what the scale says, it's about what the mirror says. If you continue with this diet your body will begin to retain the fat, your metabolism will slow down tremendously, and you'll eventually find it nearly impossible to get back on track and lose fat.
What you're doing is telling your body that you're in a period of incredible food deprivation, and it is burning off energy-expensive muscle, in lieu of burning fat. Fat is an excellent storage mechanism for energy, and it takes very little to keep it on your body (there are no moving parts to it, it's just storage, so fat itself consumes 0 energy).
All in all, extreme diets are foolish, and dangerous. I'd highly recommend that everyone on here not follow this plan. The short time of pain will turn into a lifetime of pain from a completely wrecked metabolic system. Do things the right way: stop looking for a magic bullet. Fat loss is a tiresome journey. The real pain is in counting calories, and making sure that you exercise properly. Also, I would recommend not sitting as much, if possible. I just read this article that gave some insight on just how bad excessive sitting is.
This whacked out diet plan is exactly why you're supposed to check with a doctor, and a registered nutritionist before beginning a diet plan: you probably have no idea what kind of damage you're about to do to your body with your extreme dieting techniques. You may be able to get by with 2-4 weeks of this, but it is absolutely not sustainable, and the instant you increase your calorie count, your body won't know how to respond, so you will quickly add fat to your body.
There are so many reasons this is wrong . . . books upon books can be (and are) written on why this is bad.
Point is you can lose weight eating unhealthy crap with a shitty diet. Doesn't mean you should.
If you wanna lose weight just talk to a real doctor IRL for a healthy diet. Then just eat a balanced diet + exercise. That's all, there's your magic trick.
Just never take diet advice from the internet. From stupid people saying pseudo scientific stuff like "drink a gallon of water a day". It's very dangerous for your health to take advice from random idiots. So dangerous I think this OP should be banned for this kind of crap. Just go to a real doctor. That simple.
My advice to anyone trying to lose weight in this thread is to do a lot of CARDIO.
You don't lose weight by: Lifting weights Doing situps Doing pushups Going on diets without exercising Taking pills
You do lose weight via cardiovascular activity. If you are in really bad shape you should start off with powerwalking several miles at a time at least three times a week, but jogging is the typical thing most people do. Biking and swimming work too but it has to be rigorous.
High intensity interval training is basically just a workout where you sprint for a period of time and then jog for an equal period of time (e.g. 30 seconds) and repeat as many times as you can. Supposedly it burns fat even faster than just standard jogging but in my opinion it is more challenging. Here is more info on it:
First of all, fantastic OP. Most of what you say is well thought out, smart information; and I am very glad you touched heavily on the motivation since that is such a CRITICAL part of weight loss. People need to find something, a principle if you will, that keeps them motivated to lose weight, trying to do it of pure willpower with no clear cut reason just isn't going to happen for the vast majority of people.
I do want to touch on the calories a little bit. You claim to be eating 1300 calories a day and only lost .5 to 1 pounds per week. That just doesn't happen, especially since your 6'3" and exercising some as well. If you were a 5' 100 pounds women then yea perhaps that would add up. 1300 calories is definitely extreme, which you recognize. Your weight loss rate however isn't anywhere near that however. A half pound per week is pretty darn slow weight loss and one pound per week is moderate. Eating 1300 calories a day should have put you much closer to 2-3 lbs a week of weight loss.
It's important to realize that weight loss comes down to one thing at its core. Calories in v Calories out. 3500 calories are one pound. Therefore if you eat 2000 calories a day and burn 2500 each day you will lose one pound a week OVER TIME. Certain weeks makes show more or less, but the average will be right around a pound per week. Now, eating 1300 calories a day should put you well below 500 cals a day deficit as just the calories you need for basic living throughout the day should be 2000 minimum, probably more especially when you were much heavier. Then you add in exercise which should have had you at well over 1,000 calories per day deficit, which is 2 pounds per week. This makes me think one of two things happened. Number one is you underestimated how much you were eating OR you ate so little that your body went into a starvation state and your BMR dropped to converse energy. Be curious on your feedback.
Toxins.
Exercising alone is great but you are doing your body a disservice if you aren't aware of the true culprit.
Your body is a very smart and efficient machine. When introduced with a burger or something that just doesn't sit well in the body, or with a food that may have more toxins than preferred, it attempts to flush those toxins out via Poo, pee, sweat, even sneezing and coughing. It also releases toxins through the skins natural respiration, not the same as sweat.
If this happens over time, they accumulate. In this predicament your body can do one of two things, it can either put those extra toxins near your organs, burdening them and degenerating them, or it can put them in adipose tissue. It is simply a defense mechanism.
Losing weight is very easy once you understand this. Toxins are what kill people. Toxins are what you need to get rid of.
No, just no. This is wrong on so many levels. Your body doesn't "store" toxins as fat. Toxins is also a horrible word because it's absurdly vague. Are we talking poisonous chemicals, free radicals, etc?
I mean put toxins "near" your organs, wtf?
Please learn some basic physiology before you post misinformed nonsense like this that is blatantly untrue. Weight loss comes down to calories in vs calories out. End of story. Toxins have nothing to do with it.
On June 02 2011 08:05 Demand2k wrote:It's okay to have a snack now and then, especially if you cut away all thirst drinks containing calories from your life. Exceptions being alcohol of course, and milk as a post-workout restitution meal.
Find your own twist!
Alcohol actually contains tons of calories as well. I think a study compared a 33cl beer to a 33cl coke and the beer had almost the same amount of calories in it as the coke. But the age old saying "anything is good in moderation" sort of works. Just don't live on it and you shouldn't have any problems with your weight.
Eat healthy, drink water and exercise.
Very true. Alcohol has 7 cal/gram, which means a shot of alcohol has anywhere from 55-100+ calories. A good night of partying can easily cost you 500-1000+ calories. Typical beers range from maybe mid 60's for some of the lite ones to as high as 150 for your typical 12oz can.
But if you have a job you can't not work during summer. You use vacation days for vacations, and sick days if your sick.
Or what modification could you make to the schedual to work effectivly if 8am-4pm is taken up?
I see this alot, and for most of the people I know with this problem its inefficiency of inflexibility. The modifications to eat are simple. Bring some food with you to the office, snack as needed. As far as exercise goes, you have several options. Many people are given a half hour or longer break for lunch, use this time to go do your running. If this isn't an option just wake up at 5:30, get out the door for a run and then your back by 7 or so with an hour to get ready for work. Then depending on preference you can either go do strength training right after work, or immediate after an evening meal. Day to day variation gets in the way so be flexible as needed. Some days you might not be able to lift until well after dinner, but thats not a big problem.
Unless your a busy family man, I find it exceptionally hard to believe you can't fit in an hour or two of exercise sometime between 4pm and when you go to sleep.
I'm 5'9" and dropped about 50 pounds in net terms (while gaining a ton of muscle) a few years ago. I'll just tell you that your diet matters more than anything else that you do. If you count calories like the OP did and limit your intake, you'll shed weight no matter how much you exercise.
This cannot be emphasized enough. I have gained weight running 80 miles per week, and lost weight maybe running 15 per week at best. It's all calories in vs calories out. Exercise is important for good health, motivation, and habit formation; but in terms of weight loss it really just lets you eat more and still be able to lose weight. If I am running 70 miles a week I can eat 2500 calories a day and still lose a pound a week. With no exercise I have to eat a mere 1500 calories a day just to lose a pound a week.
The only thing I'm curious about is... how do people manage to let themselves get into the situation with the catch-22 in the first place?
I really do want to touch on this. I honestly think a big part of it is lack of knowledge. Most people grossly underestimate how much they are eating. They just plain don't realize that even though their diet may be okay, its straight up far, far too much food. Working in fast food places it always amazes me just how much people eat, and I am pretty much certain many of them have no idea that the amount of calories they are consuming is insane. As a result they slowly get to be maybe 10-20 pounds overweight over a few years and then its like "O Damn" but at that point it already takes alot of motivation and control to start chipping away at that. So they don't, or do for a while but then stop to their and go back to normal diet, which gains them more weight and then all of a sudden they are 40 or 50 pounds overweight and no its even more of a drastic change it get back to a healthy weight.
The recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply gave what I did, and said several times that it was extreme.
If you burn more calories then you intake, you will lose weight. This is somewhat shown by the twinkie diet. For all around health you want to eat well and exercise. Everyone is different body type and structure so its different for everyone. Just try to find time to get some exercise in, sometimes people don't have time with work and school so it takes substituting like biking to work instead of driving, stairs vs elevator, etc.
1) Talk to a real doctor 2) Follow his balanced diet 3) Exersise
Things to NEVER do to try to lose weight 1) Listen to shitty diet guides on the internet 2) Listen to any diet or exercise advice whatsoever from anyone who isn't a real doctor.
There you go pretty easy secret guide to losing weight. And I didn't even charge you for it.
A better suited diet, with fresh products and correct balance of carb/protein/fat will provide more energy out of those same calories, makes you less prone to have urges to eat junk to fill the energy gaps.
On June 02 2011 13:58 forgotten0ne wrote: The recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply gave what I did, and said several times that it was extreme.
I think most people were just curious why you would choose something that extreme, especially since a diet with slightly higher number of calories would probably have resulted in even faster weight loss.
Ignore above. I am an idiot and cannot read, OP was losing .5 to one pound per day, not per week.
Still, pretty much all the advice in the OP is excellent and has some great ways of thinking about things, especially with regards to motivation.
Diets like ur's won't work in the long run because whatever you do needs to be sustainable. If you force yourself through a brutal diet that turns ur life upside down, you'll simply gain all your weight back. If you really wanna lose weight, you need to do it incrementally
Plain and simple if your wanting to lose weight find your maintenance caloric intake for the day and cut it by 200 every week, unless you think you have the will power to cut more but the standard is 200 each week slow and steady.
I approve of the OP's post as well although losing 1 pound a day is not healthy for you and most of the weight loss in the beginning will be water weight. Another tip ishave a cheat day once a week, twice a week if your much overweight or else you will plateau. Much like muscle building you have to trick your body.
On June 02 2011 14:09 Tiberius[VcK] wrote: Diets like ur's won't work in the long run because whatever you do needs to be sustainable. If you force yourself through a brutal diet that turns ur life upside down, you'll simply gain all your weight back. If you really wanna lose weight, you need to do it incrementally
No, you won't gain your weight back IF you settle into good eating habits after. You could crash diet your way through 3+ lbs/wk weight loss, lose 30 pounds, and if you then make the switch to eating properly from there at the right caloric level you will be fine. However, most people crash diet, get somewhere, and then because of that either reward themselves with a bunch of eating and start to gain it back OR return to their old eating habits, which got them there in the first place, and slowly gain it back.
They gain it back not because of crazy dieting but because they see it as a dichotomy between dieting and "normal". Once they get where they want they go off "diet" mode and go back to normal mode and regain weight. Once the "dieting" phase is over you have to make sure you understand the amount of calories it takes to be energy neutral and proper eating habits.
Dieting really should be a lifetime change, the only difference is that when your in the weight loss period you eat slightly less than you would when you reach goal weight and are just holding steady.
Honestly thought the easiest way to sum up diet is in 7 words: Eat Food, Not too Much, Mostly Plants. By food, I mean stuff your great-great-great grandparent would recognize as food, cut out all this synthetic and processed food that we have today. Its usually highly caloric and nutrient deficient. Not too much is self explanatory. Eat enough to feel satisfied NOT full, eat slowly as well so you don't overeat and fill up before your body as a chance to notice. Mostly plants means just that, each meal if you were to section your plate off should be something like half plants or more. This is good for two reasons, one is that most fruits and vegetables are straight up awesome for you, and secondly they tend to be high in water and not caloricly dense. This means you can eat more. What sounds more satisfying, a regular .59c bag of MnM's from the grocery store or a banana, an apple, a cup of blackberries and 2 cups of brocoli (both are equivalent calorically).
I didn't read your post, but I skimmed it, and saw you list calories. Doesn't seem that extreme to me. I keep track of calories, and I haven't gained a single pound in a full decade post college high school.
If you allocate 500 calories to each meal, plus another 200-500 for snacks, you should be fine. Probably want a multivitamin, because it's really tough to get all the nutritional needs, unless you want to spend the time to research a perfect food composition everyday.
Also, stay away from American restaurants which feed you 2k calories plus 200% of your sodium needs in 1 meal.
While I agree with just about everything the OP talks about in terms of training regiment, eating habits, etc, my only beef (lol) is with the constant use of the word "diet." I know diet literally means one's intake of food, but the word diet carries with it pretty heavy stigmas relating to "temporary." People think if they diet for some amount of time and lose weight, that weight will stay gone even when getting off the diet. What I advocate is a personal nutrition plan that you know you'll follow. It doesn't matter how healthy your diet is, if you find the food disgusting you're going to stop using it once you reach your desired weight.
People who have high protein, low calorie diets coupled with good exercise do end up building a very healthy body, but I'd argue mental toughness is far more important than how much you're lifting. It's the mental toughness that keeps people exercising even after their primary motivation starts losing its appeal. It's that same fortitude that lets these hardcore diet+exercisers stay on course where other people drop out.
On June 02 2011 13:58 forgotten0ne wrote: The recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply gave what I did, and said several times that it was extreme.
Yes a guy posting unhealthy health advices with stupid pseudo scientific stuff like "drink gallons of water everyday" does prove the stupidity of the internet. You're doing much more harm than good.
If anyone wants to lose weight. Just go to a real doctor. Don't ever take health advices from random unknowns the internets.
Step one, don't follow or rely on internet advice on losing weight, see a doctor, a friend with experience, etc.
Step two, track your calories, limit your daily intake. Cals in, cals out. Eating weight watchers/lindora food won't make you skinny, you will stay/get more fat with the same amount of calories you would usually intake anyways.
Step three, excercise.
Did you follow step one?
Don't stress yourself trying to follow this anon's plan just because it worked for him, because that does NOT mean it will work for you. Find a diet that suits you. There is no easy way.
This is quite good but i am wondering, is 10-30min running a day enought cardio for elite squads? I do about 6h(3x2h) cardio every week + 5x5 gym workout(x3 a week), it is hard, but i like it.
Getting started is hard i know. The main thing is just do it. You dont have to do running, there are other ways how to train. I didnt like running so i looked for something else and skiing game up. I have done my cardio for only 1.5months and now i can see a change in my looks. In my opinion people shouldnt look at bmi or fat percent in your body. Look in a god damn mirror, if you like what you see you are fine!! Also i think diet isnt for anyone but a lot of workout means you can eat what you want and i quite like it. I eat huge amounts of food every day and i just wont gain any weights because i do enought workout.
I think a Very Low Calorie Diet of some sort is a great way to start out your weight loss, especially if you are severely overweight. Not only does obesity dampen alot of the negative impact of any VLCD but it also gets you going. Loosing a lot of weight kind of quickly is a great start to a more healthy lifestyle, it sure pumped me up to get on with more long term healthy choices afterwards.
If you weigh a few hundred pounds more than you should, few things compares in health benefits to loosing the weight. Most VLCDs are very strict tho with timeframes and many proponents of this type of dieting advice their clients to consult a doctor at steady intervals during the diet.
On June 02 2011 14:57 inimenesc wrote: This is quite good but i am wondering, is 10-30min running a day enought cardio for elite squads? I do about 6h(3x2h) cardio every week + 5x5 gym workout(x3 a week), it is hard, but i like it.
What are elite squads?
On June 02 2011 14:54 StorkHwaiting wrote: Who in the bloody hell regularly eats 4000 calories? Holy jesus.
Doubt many people average 4000 cals a day, but I've seen plenty who eat this number one a somewhat consistent basis. I mean just two meals eating out and you have about hit it. Guarantee you there are tons of people eating 3000 calories a day on a regular basis which is really an insane number for a sedentary person.
On June 02 2011 13:58 forgotten0ne wrote: The recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply gave what I did, and said several times that it was extreme.
Yes a guy posting unhealthy health advices with stupid pseudo scientific stuff like "drink gallons of water everyday" does prove the stupidity of the internet. You're doing much more harm than good.
If anyone wants to lose weight. Just go to a real doctor. Don't ever take health advices from random unknowns the internets.
Agree with this for things like specifically what to eat, or exactly how much to eat. That said, you can learn plenty of basic nutritional concepts and intelligent eating concepts from the internet if your smart and don't blindly accept everything you read as fact.
Things like understanding what causes weight loss, or basics or portion sizes and calorie estimation are more than learn able from right off the web.
On June 02 2011 15:08 inimenesc wrote: A very important thing to add, if this hadnt been said.
Run on gravel or something else soft surface. You will kill your knees and legs from continues impacts on asphalt!
Maybe yes diet is good for weight loss, but you will need to step up your eating anyways, and you might kill your muscles if you dont eat enought.
While saying it will kill your knees and legs is a bit of an overstatement, it is still incredibly valid point. If you have access to dirt or grass trails they are much better to run on as the impact force if absorbed much better which drastically reduces the chance for running related injuries.
"and am training to become an Officer in the U.S. Air Force, whom will one day compete for a position in one of the most elite teams in the world: USAF Pararescue."
And for asphalt, i did running on asphalt, every day 6.2km, about 45mins normal jog.
It was hard on my knees, maybe because i am 2.03m tall!
Probably the best advice I can give for losing weight: start with fasting for a few days, so your body gets used to feeling hunger. Then when you resume eating, drop breakfast and dinner completely, get a decent meal for lunch, doesn't even matter much what it is, can be McDonalds or a Pizza if you feel like it. Some small snacks are fine if you feel like it, however just eating once a day to me at least seemed to be the easiest. (Alternatively you can eat normally for a day, then fast the next day, etc, this is probably healthier, however, harder to keep up) Healthy? Probably not. But your weight will drop like a stone. I went from 129kg to 95kg in less than half a year.
Don't bother with exercise before your weight is low enough to allow you to exercise without getting injured or just putting yourself off exercise forever. Once you do start exercising, resume eating three times a day, just watch the total calorie count.
On June 02 2011 15:13 inimenesc wrote: "and am training to become an Officer in the U.S. Air Force, whom will one day compete for a position in one of the most elite teams in the world: USAF Pararescue."
And for asphalt, i did running on asphalt, every day 6.2km, about 45mins normal jog.
It was hard on my knees, maybe because i am 2.03m tall!
You were curious if 10-30 minutes a day was enough to be in the squad. Question comes down to what sort of times do you need to run to be able to get in?
I would say 30-60 minutes per day of running would be much better, especially since your talking about a career that requires good fitness.
On June 02 2011 15:18 sulliwan wrote: Probably the best advice I can give for losing weight: start with fasting for a few days, so your body gets used to feeling hunger. Then when you resume eating, drop breakfast and dinner completely, get a decent meal for lunch, doesn't even matter much what it is, can be McDonalds or a Pizza if you feel like it. Some small snacks are fine if you feel like it, however just eating once a day to me at least seemed to be the easiest. (Alternatively you can eat normally for a day, then fast the next day, etc, this is probably healthier, however, harder to keep up) Healthy? Probably not. But your weight will drop like a stone. I went from 129kg to 95kg in less than half a year.
Don't bother with exercise before your weight is low enough to allow you to exercise without getting injured or just putting yourself off exercise forever. Once you do start exercising, resume eating three times a day, just watch the total calorie count.
Sorry, but this just isn't smart. As you say its not healthy which makes it a bad way to lose weight. Yes you'll probably lose weight doing this since its hard to eat 2000+ calories in one sitting, but I suspect most people will have a hard time actually following this, your going to be damn hungry most the time.
It also doesn't address the real issue at hand which is poor eating habits. It replaces one habit of unhealthy, overconsumption with an alternative take which essentially becomes an unhealthy way of eating less. Once the person is done he will probably just revert back to his old ways and regain the weight. Diet shouldn't be thought of as dieting in my opinion but as actually changing your diet to something that is healthy and sustainable over the long term.
L_Master, i am more thinking. If you are in army you will get into combat situation that can last few days. I am not sure if 10-30mins are enought for the best from the best.
Sulliwans method is selfkilling in my opinion, it might work but you will feel crap all time!
On June 02 2011 15:31 d_so wrote: i work out and i'm healthy but i'll never be fully sexy and slim cuz i love eating too much especially cheddar. oh well.
You can go my route and run 100 mpw. Being able to eat 3500+ calories a day and maintain weight is pretty nice. This was like 40% of my initial desire to run high mileage was that I wanted to be able to eat a shit ton and not continue to gain weight.
On June 02 2011 15:34 inimenesc wrote: L_Master, i am more thinking. If you are in army you will get into combat situation that can last few days. I am not sure if 10-30mins are enought for the best from the best.
Sulliwans method is selfkilling in my opinion, it might work but you will feel crap all time!
As I said above, it probably isn't. 30-60 minutes a day would be much better. Anything less than about 20 minutes for a run is pretty worthless if your already in okay shape (assuming you are given your goals).
Actually, at least I didn't feel crap at all when doing it. First week or so I felt hungry, after that, the body got used to it I guess and I felt better than I did before I started.
I'm a biochemistry major who has just gone through studying metabolism, obesity, nutrition, etc. From what I have read in the OP, this sounds like a pretty ideal plan.
A few comments I will add (forgive me not reading through 5 pages to see if it has been covered). -Weight management comes down primarily to caloric consumption as you stated. That should be the first focus of any person following this diet. Your intake does NOT need to be as extreme as 1300 calories, you just need to take in fewer...though obviously extreme changes will bring about more rapid results. 10 m&m's a day will amount to 10lbs a year. Cut those 10 m&m's, and you will lose 10 lbs a year, it doesn't take much! Try just halfing your food intake and see what happens (4000->1300 is more than halfing). Once you reach your target weight be sure to readjust your caloric intake! You don't want to waste away!!!
-I do have some issue with primarily living off protein powder if not for the supplements. To be healthy you NEED to eat a wide variety of foods, just watch the calories! Second, you really do not need much protein per day, your body does not even know how to process any excess. Keep it under 200% DV in most cases. Also remember that not all fats are bad, but do aim for oils over saturated fats. You do need some (which your diet seems to have a little of, good).
-Exercise with caution. Realize that exercise greatly increases appetite and if you do not regulate your diet, you could easily eat more than you burn off which only WORSENS your weight situation. I might suggest focusing initially on reducing caloric intake, then once adjusted begin exercising. It will help with self-discipline, I believe. Some people may find they actually lose weight better WITHOUT heavy exercise (still stay active), and then turn to exercise when they want to build back up muscle mass. I do agree though that exercising can help establish the proper mindset which is key. Buddies help.
-Now a personal testimony to caloric intake. I am 6'1" and weigh roughly 145lbs wet. My ideal weight is circa 180lbs. I don't watch what I eat...I pretty much live on fast food and other junk. However, I don't eat much, maybe 1,800 Cal/day. I actually struggle eating as much as I should because of a medication I took for a while that diminished appetite (off it now, it has rebounded slightly). My point is not the fact that my appetite is artificially decreased and thus im skinny, but that you can eat whatever you want and be skinny if you just eat less. A diverse 2,000-2,500 Cal/day diet is pretty much all you need once your weight is where you want it. Don't take seconds!
-Lastly, way to go man! I'm stoked for you able to accomplish so much in such a short period of time. I salute you
You lose weight by your body burning more calories than you are providing it with.
All these people saying that doing weights or whatever, or only dieting will not help you lose weight are idiots. In certain scenarios they are right, but isolated they are simply false.
I lost ~30kg in a 4-5month period late last year/earlier this year, and can lose weight on demand nowadays. Eat less and try to exercise. Bam.
Again, we Americans are so disgusting fat, it's hideous, grotesque, putrid. Seriously, put down the fork, don't get the super size, put down the second beer, you fat disgusting blobs. The occasional vegetable instead of cake and cookies won't kill you. You're not obligated to eat all the food on your plate.
After skimming through this thread, theres a lot of misleading information that may negatively effect someone trying to lose weight. As a student studying in this area (Kineisiology), I feel that I have to intervene.
To lose weight, one should change his or her diet and physical activity levels (exercise). Ofc losing weight = calories in < calories out(spent). Nevertheless, the process of losing weight isn't that simple. Retention/relapse and motivation are main things people struggle with whenever they are attempting to improve themselves. Things to keep motivation and retention levels high are things people need to figure out on their own or with help from professionals(informational) / (friends+family = emotional).
The best exercise for overweight people is just to walk for ~30 min or whatever ACSM's standard is. Walking (@moderate pace) allows the heart to work not as hard while obtaining max stroke volume. Anything over that makes heart rate increase = bad for overweight people. Hypertension, heart attacks, etc. can occur if you over stress the heart (being overweight increases your risk). Also, your joints will be under less stress upon impact (surface you run/walk = minimal difference) if you walk compared to run.
You should never starve yourself / fast then eat right after. To put it simply, body = wtf when you starve for prolonged periods of time; then after you eat = body converts what you eat into fat bc it doesn't know when is your next meal.
I was going to let my blog fade out until summer semester starts, but it looks like I'll have to start it back up now. BLOG Here, I answer questions (w/ more details) concerning health, physical activity, and psychological aspects of training. There's already an answer about running/walking(vo2 & heart), some other physiology, and a supplemental ppt.
Other places you should visit are the TL health and initiative thread (although you have to weed out some of things they say) and ACSM's website.
tldr: Refer to an expert or do your own research about weight loss. A lot of people talk out off their ass. Never take any weight loss supplements. Walking = best exercise. If you are serious about losing weight, you'll stick to it w/ a plan that keeps ^motivation & ^retention. Visit creditable sources & my blog if you personally want to ask a question.
Okay not really, just throw every damn thing that's edible out in your house, replace it with fruits, chicken breast, brown rice and vegetables. You don't even need to work out.
Ive read most of these posts and im quite shocked, dont give false hope to an overweight person that they can lose all of their extra weight just by reading a guide on the internet. The Diet OP is using is not healthy in anyway, going from 4k calorie intake to a 1.2k will litterally fuck your body up, and it is not healthy at all, do something like that but abit more gentle.
If you want to lose weight, make a deal with yourself, i did the following about 1 year ago
1. Go to the gym twice a week for a workout of 1 hour. 2. Stop "Over eating"(I know when im full, dont stuff it down your throat) 3. Do 1 cardio activity each week for a duration for 30 minutes(Biking, running, swimming, it doesnt matter really matter just get your pulse up)
If we say you burn an estimate of 2500 calories on this workout each week, its not something marvellous, but the important thing is that you do it and that you get used to working out. If you enjoy these activities you will have extra energy, and after 2-3 months you can increase it, maybe do it 3 times a week, or do cardio for 1 hour each week. Now the important thing is that you reward yourself, but dont go and be like:"I ran for 1 hour today so i can eat more", save up money and buy something expensive. I set the following goal,
1. Squat twice my own weight 2. Bench 90% of my own weight 3. Deadlift 150% of my own weight
Reward: Use 1.8k Dollars on a new mountainbike
I had 3 months and the goals were realistic for me, i could see them in the horizon, i trained like a madman, i had a goal that i needed to reach in order to have fun. at the last week of before the 3 months i FINALLY reached the bench and i was so happy i almost started crying in the gym.
My current goal is
1. Squat 225% of my own weight 2. Bench 100% of my own weight 3. Deadlift 175% of my own weight
If i succeed i get to buy a new pc screen since i got an old shitty one.
This all comes down to the fact that you need to discipline, remeber that you dont workout for other people, you do it to yourself. To find out if you really wanna start such a big project and if you have the motivation i usually do the following. Flip a coin, heads if you do it, tails you dont, when you flip it, when its rotating in the air, if theres a hope that it lands on heads, this is usually indication that this is something you really want to do. If not, well you can guess the rest.
Before i started working out i was unable to run 250 meters without losing my breath, now i run 10km twice a week to supplement weight training 4 times a week and i try to bike 200km each week.
This takes time, it takes blood, sweat and a ALOT of sacrifises. A personal victory for me was the other day at a carnival where i ran home after it was done, i was called a "Sportsfreak", by a couple of girls and one of them shouted that i was cute, truth be told, i was running home to watch the GSL Super Tournament (HuK, Bomber and Nestea was playing, so had to see it)
TL;DR - Set goals that are achivable for you, in the start set it for a week, as you progress set bigger goals, and brag about your shit so it makes you feel good, because YOU did it for YOU.
On June 02 2011 16:16 Shvifb wrote: Focusing entirely on losing weight is wrong. There's more to the diet than that. The OP doesn't have a single vegetable in his meal plan
The guy lost wait eating crap food just to prove a point that losing weight without proper died is an unhealthy thing no one should do.
Which just reinforces the obvious: if you wanna lose weight. Just go see a real doctor for a good diet. Don't take the word of randoms in the internet. There's a lot of unhealthy info in the OP.
On June 02 2011 16:43 BAFz0r wrote: 1. Squat twice my own weight 2. Bench 90% of my own weight 3. Deadlift 150% of my own weight
Those percentages seem way off too me. Are you doing this equipped or you doing more a quarter-squat? There's no way I could imagine anyone squatting so much more than they deadlift raw. Also: Benching my BW was way easier for me than squatting even 150% my BW.
On June 02 2011 16:16 Shvifb wrote: Focusing entirely on losing weight is wrong. There's more to the diet than that. The OP doesn't have a single vegetable in his meal plan
The guy lost wait eating crap food just to prove a point that losing weight without proper died is an unhealthy thing no one should do.
Which just reinforces the obvious: if you wanna lose weight. Just go see a real doctor for a good diet. Don't take the word of randoms in the internet. There's a lot of unhealthy info in the OP.
Losing weight is about restricting calories compared to expenditure. Where they come from doesn't matter too much (ignoring lack of vitamin issues, but that's not hard to supplement in). This is really well established in the medical literature at this point. And a "healthy diet" also isn't well established either, but that's a whole other issue.
This guy's calorie restriction diet is a tad rough, but fully functional. Just realize that calorie restriction diets are *hard* during the adjustment phase. But once you're adjusted to them, you operate just fine.
I read about a guy that build a walking machine onto his pc (or other way around) and in just a few months he lost alot of weight, it was last year on the HoN forum
Most obviously it is only about the amount of calories when losing weigth. Eat less than you consume, and you lose weigth, no matter what it is you eat. Personaly I kept it with, as said in Germany, "friss the Hälfte" (eat half), losing 15kg in 1,5 months (80->65) in the time of january-february of this year. Ever since I'm around 63-65kg.
Mostly I just tried to eat as few for breakfast as possible, because it was always simpler for me to eat less for breakfast than for lunch. Second step, cutting down dinner, later totally replacing it with just eating something during afternoon or eating nothing significant at all after lunch. If I have hunger in the evening, I just eat something with really low calories.
Mainly, I just lowered the amount of food I eat and that's it. No thinking about what to eat at all, though I always rather ate a kiwi or apple for breakfast than something of more calories.
The really important part is, to have a certain level of physical fitness before losing weigth. Cutting down calories below the amount of calory consumption obviously is bad for muscles, thus lowering consumption. Sports itself isn't crucial to losing weigth itself, but beneficial. It also helps maintaining muscle mass to have more calory consumption after the losing weigth phase.
Also it proved hard to lower food consumption when having a lot of work to do (be it school or physical work). Doing sports to increase calory consumption works better than eating less then imo. For me it basically worked like no weight loss during work week, but then suddenly dropping 1-2kg during weekend (even though I didn't even eat that few on weekend).
Now we just need a weight gain thread. I'm 6'3", weigh 155 lbs, and have been that way since high school(currently 25). All my friends tell me, "Oh, enjoy it while it lasts, you'll balloon up in no time, etc". Yeah....not happening.
The problem is, I stay pretty active...and just don't enjoy food. I run 3 to 4 miles 2 or 3 times a week, and play tennis and basketball fairly often. My job isn't exactly strenuous, but it's a lot of walking, and involves a lot of ladder and stair climbing. I eat a pretty big breakfast about 3 hours after I get up, I eat a salad or something similar for lunch, and eat a normal dinner + salad almost every night. I usually eat something really protein heavy after I run as well. But no can do. I think my scale is broken at 155 lbs.
On June 02 2011 16:43 BAFz0r wrote: 1. Squat twice my own weight 2. Bench 90% of my own weight 3. Deadlift 150% of my own weight
Those percentages seem way off too me. Are you doing this equipped or you doing more a quarter-squat? There's no way I could imagine anyone squatting so much more than they deadlift raw. Also: Benching my BW was way easier for me than squatting even 150% my BW.
I can almost squat twice my bodyweight but I can't bench even 85% of my bodyweight. It's about genetics and body type, longer legs makes squats harder etc. But yes, you should be able to deadlift more than you can squat.
On June 02 2011 20:46 Sm3agol wrote: Now we just need a weight gain thread. I'm 6'3", weigh 155 lbs, and have been that way since high school(currently 25). All my friends tell me, "Oh, enjoy it while it lasts, you'll balloon up in no time, etc". Yeah....not happening.
The problem is, I stay pretty active...and just don't enjoy food. I run 3 to 4 miles 2 or 3 times a week, and play tennis and basketball fairly often. My job isn't exactly strenuous, but it's a lot of walking, and involves a lot of ladder and stair climbing. I eat a pretty big breakfast about 3 hours after I get up, I eat a salad or something similar for lunch, and eat a normal dinner + salad almost every night. I usually eat something really protein heavy after I run as well. But no can do. I think my scale is broken at 155 lbs.
Weight gain is the same as weight loss, only in reverse of course. You must consume more calories that you burn. In your case it's just not enough food. I am not sure what big breakfast is but that could be anywhere from 500 to maybe 1000 calories. A salad probably isn't going to top 100-200 calories unless you go very heavy on the dressing. Again normal dinner is probably 500-1000 calories depending on what you eat. So at best your likely eating 2,500 calories a day tops, thus might, might be enough if your totally sedentary, but as you said, you aren't. Bottom line is you just need to eat more and you'll be able to gain that weight.
I used to lose 30 or 40 pounds in two weeks for wrestling and bjj tournaments doing basically what you're doing + a shit ton of aerobic working out. All I ate was bananas, peanut butter, and tuna fish. Now a big portion of that might have been water weight (even though I never dehydrated myself) but all it takes is dedication. In my adult life, I've been from 145 pounds to 220 (when I wanted to be a body builder :D) but now I'm around 185 and I look damn good because I've been eating right for the last 10 years. I haven't had fast food since I was a fish in HS. Diet is 75% of losing weight and gaining weight (if you want to add mass).
It's funny when you see these fatasses in the gym chugging along on a stair-master and they wonder why they don't lose weight when all they eat are those massive salads soaked with shitty ranch. That ain't eating healthy you fucking idiot!
On June 02 2011 20:46 Sm3agol wrote: Now we just need a weight gain thread. I'm 6'3", weigh 155 lbs, and have been that way since high school(currently 25). All my friends tell me, "Oh, enjoy it while it lasts, you'll balloon up in no time, etc". Yeah....not happening.
The problem is, I stay pretty active...and just don't enjoy food. I run 3 to 4 miles 2 or 3 times a week, and play tennis and basketball fairly often. My job isn't exactly strenuous, but it's a lot of walking, and involves a lot of ladder and stair climbing. I eat a pretty big breakfast about 3 hours after I get up, I eat a salad or something similar for lunch, and eat a normal dinner + salad almost every night. I usually eat something really protein heavy after I run as well. But no can do. I think my scale is broken at 155 lbs.
Weight gain is the same as weight loss, only in reverse of course. You must consume more calories that you burn. In your case it's just not enough food. I am not sure what big breakfast is but that could be anywhere from 500 to maybe 1000 calories. A salad probably isn't going to top 100-200 calories unless you go very heavy on the dressing. Again normal dinner is probably 500-1000 calories depending on what you eat. So at best your likely eating 2,500 calories a day tops, thus might, might be enough if your totally sedentary, but as you said, you aren't. Bottom line is you just need to eat more and you'll be able to gain that weight.
Big Breakfast - meat/cheese omelet, pancake, fruit.
People really complicate these plans into elaborate to-the-minute meal consumption schedules. This is fine if you need the extreme, but a lot of us work and can't do this or aren't vastly overweight but want to lose the spare tire around their waste. Here is a more of a reference guide if you want to just want to slim out.
Fat loss: Calories in < Calories out (BMR + exercise). Maintain Weight: Calories in = Calories out (BMR + exercise). Fat/Muscle gain: Calories in > calories out (BMR + exercise).
When choosing foods, pick:
Meats: Fish / Chicken / Turkey > Lean beef > The rest. Vegetables: Green Veggies(pref) and other veggies > Rice / Bread (rye or brown) > Potates + everything else. Fruit: You can have some fruit but be careful as it is high in sugars as well. Drink: Water > everything else. Fruit juice is just as bad as coke sugar wise so be careful with this consumption.
Get 8 hours of sleep a day. Simply being tired can be enough to break your will to eat junk food to make you feel better. Drink lots of water as it can help curb your hunter. Eat at least 3 meals a day, preferably 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner, snack). MAKE SURE you eat breakfast. Try and get your starchy carbs (rice + bread) in the morning and lunch and then just lean meats and veggies in the evening.
If you're trying to build muscle, eat more red meats and potatoes + more starchy carbs as it will help you increase your calorie intake without really ramping up your fat / calorie intake. And I mean a steak and potato, not mcdonalds and fries you fatass (LOL i'm just bulking.......).
And most importantly, only eat so that you feel sort of full but still sort of hungry. Eating too little starves yourself and causes fat to retain easier (body thinks you're starving), eating too much causes fat to store as it has excess energy (body wants to fill reserves).
hmm 6'3 175 lbs Your really skinny. You should at least weight 200 pounds . I just read your routine and diet . Taking a lot of shake will do nothing . The body is very smart, when you take too much of protein or anything else He eliminate the rest . So I can guarentee you that you don't take all the protein you take. You probably eliminate the half. Another thing is to loose wight you need muscle. At 175 your to skinny. You have to loose body fat not muscle .For the diet you should always have a ratio of 40 % protein 40 % carbs and 20% of fat(good fat) . Always thinking what you will do the next 3 hours before eating . If you go to the gym you need more calories instead if yo ugo to bed.
On June 02 2011 20:46 Sm3agol wrote: Now we just need a weight gain thread. I'm 6'3", weigh 155 lbs, and have been that way since high school(currently 25). All my friends tell me, "Oh, enjoy it while it lasts, you'll balloon up in no time, etc". Yeah....not happening.
The problem is, I stay pretty active...and just don't enjoy food. I run 3 to 4 miles 2 or 3 times a week, and play tennis and basketball fairly often. My job isn't exactly strenuous, but it's a lot of walking, and involves a lot of ladder and stair climbing. I eat a pretty big breakfast about 3 hours after I get up, I eat a salad or something similar for lunch, and eat a normal dinner + salad almost every night. I usually eat something really protein heavy after I run as well. But no can do. I think my scale is broken at 155 lbs.
Just reverse the opening post and lift weights.
Starting Strength (google it) + 3000 calories a day and you'll fill up nicely. You need to be at least 190 lbs to stop being skinny.
I always had trouble gaining weight until I started working out 3-4x a week and eating 3000 calories, I went from 135 lbs to 170 lbs in a year and a half.
Dont get why wieght loss has to be so "all-in". Why not just do the basic -500kcal. Most of people will eat 1 500-2 000kcal a day. Simple and easy. Since its easy, youll likely to be succesful and since it slow it doesnt come back as fast either or lose muscle as much. Thought if your the instant gratification kind of person then this might not be for you.
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Hey, I do not want to rain on your parade, but you did not talk to experts, otherwise, please name those and give me contact info, because what you did is not just extreme, but also a short-term plan of reducing body fat and weight.
If you shut down your energy income (calories) by 70% you will lose fat/weight without further discussion, but you will also force your body to reduce your metabolism to a minimum if neccessary. This will mean that whenever you start to eat normally or even a bit more than that again, your body will store every little bit of energy it can get (create fat).
Its also very wrong, that you can counter losing muslce-mass by consuming good-protein (WHEY, EGG or multicomplex) and carbonhydrates. If you do sports (strength work out / bodybuilding) and consume less energy than you spent to some extent (400kcal less for example) this might be true. But you reduce it by nearly 75% (4000 (which I doubt) to 1200). You can't keep musle NOR strength with that. You will still lose fat, thats right.
But as you describe, building muslce while defining your body and losing fat - sorry man, that is not possible or it would be the ultimate thing in bodybuilding. Since its the best achievement you can get. Reducing body fat, building muscle while not having any side effects on your body.
But not everything that you wrote is wrong and you have warned anyone that your way is very extreme, but I feel you still miss some important points. How long are you doing bodybuilding or your diet? How long will you be doing it? Do you plan on staying with the food and amount of food you have now?
Also , always put cardio at the end of your training, since you have to empty your carbonhydrate / energy supplies first.. the body will only touch fat if it has no sugar/ch supply to use.
I have done something similar, but had less to lose and was trying to eat no more then 1800 calories per day. I done full body strength exercises for 30 min 3-4 times per week and drank a cup of green tea each day. Later I switched to 30 min training regime that was about 1/4 of the time of cardio and rest full body strength stuff. I never set foot into a gym in my life and I lost about 2 kg per month (but started at 86 kg). I done this until I got to 79kg but then lost motivation
What you eat isn't that important, unless you're really obese.
The key to lose weight is to do looooong and extended cardio training.
By long, I don't mean 45 mins of running, more like 20-25 mins of running, immediately fallowed by 1h-1h30 of a random physical activity (any sport is ok, including musculation), and if you can, use a bike to come back to your house. Twice or once a week depending on your physical condition.
The reasonning behind this is that the longer a physical activity goes on, the more your body will use your natural reserves to find the energy required. Passed 30 mins, your body will start to burn fat at a really good rate. The difficulty in this program is that if you don't have a decent heart, you wouldn't be able to execute it properly (ie women, really obese/unsportive man). Any repeated or extended pause in this program will ruin it.
The program in this thread is about privation and short-term lose. Definitely not a healthy way of losing weight. Besides, thinking about gaining muscle ie weight when you're already obese is madness. Or else you might look like Incontrol, ie a lot of muscule and fat at the same time : a kind of gorilla.
i agree that people should try to be more healthy, but if they're happy with themselves then who are you to stick your nose in?
personally i have never dieted in my life, but i motivated myself to squeeze at least 1 hour of exercise into every day, in addition to normal participation of activities/sports. i feel a lot more confident and healthy, but i wouldn't say that i was unhappy before...
i didn't take advice off anyone or follow a guide - it's basic scientific fact that exercise burns energy in the simple form of food or body fat. i find the diet/exercise regime subject quite amusing, as their are countless shortcuts, cheats, complex tips etc.. but at the end of the day it's about moving your body to burn energy and if you want to lose weight just stop putting excess energy into your body!
once you get into the routine it becomes part of daily life and it's easy. that's the most important thing. make it a routine, make it so that your day is not 'complete' without exercise and you'll feel guilty for slacking and motivate yourself to catch up.
the second most important thing is to not let it go too far. if fitness becomes your entire life then you sacrifice part of your personality and risk becoming shallow and vain.
On June 03 2011 01:00 TeWy wrote: What you eat isn't that important, unless you're really obese.
The key to lose weight is to do looooong and extended cardio training.
By long, I don't mean 45 mins of running, more like 20-25 mins of running, immediately fallowed by 1h-1h30 of a random physical activity (any sport is ok, including musculation), and if you can, use a bike to come back to your house. Twice or once a week depending on your physical condition.
The reasonning behind this is that the longer a physical activity goes on, the more your body will use your natural reserves to find the energy required. Passed 30 mins, your body will start to burn fat at a really good rate. The difficulty in this program is that if you don't have a decent heart, you wouldn't be able to execute it properly (ie women, really obese/unsportive man). Any repeated or extended pause in this program will ruin it.
The program in this thread is about privation and short-term lose. Definitely not a healthy way of losing weight. Besides, thinking about gaining muscle ie weight when you're already obese is madness. Or else you might look like Incontrol, ie a lot of muscule and fat at the same time : a kind of gorilla.
Thats semi-right. Your body will use sugar and carbonhydrate supply for intense strength exercise (aka pumping iron, weightlifting etc) and will burn fat for long-term activity. Obviously its not exactly splitted in those two parts completely. Even if you go running you will burn some carbonhydrate and sugar supply.
The thing is, most beginners can't run for 30 minutes to 1 hour. What you want to do is, as I stated burn your sugar and carbonhydrate supply before you do cardio. This way you make sure the body will burn fat, since it has no supplies it can use. Also most beginners overdo it. Doing sports is fine, but if you start and you want to do 4-6 times sport a week - you will lose motivation.
If you do a good 3 split (chest/triceps, back/biceps, legs+shoulders) with cardio after each set, you will be good to go and will lose weight. Its 3 times sport a week with enough time for your body to regenerate.
On June 03 2011 01:04 shizna wrote: i agree that people should try to be more healthy, but if they're happy with themselves then who are you to stick your nose in?
Did you miss sex before you had it? Every fat or overweight person that states "I'm happy as I am" or satisfied with what I got does say that, because they don't know better. I had 30-40lbs more than I have now. (I'm 176, 76KG and still want to lose 4KG to push body fat down a bit). You feel so much better, more active... more fit, everything.
A fat person can say whatever he/she wants - being healthy is better and feels better.
Maybe I just have incredible amounts of willpower, but I go on a 3 apple+3 bowls of cereal / day diet after a few weeks of binge drinking and the stomach fat just vaporise with a week.
Yah, I'm all ready for the beaches with my secksy secksy 6 pack ^_^
On June 03 2011 01:10 Ravencruiser wrote: Maybe I just have incredible amounts of willpower, but I go on a 3 apple+3 bowls of cereal / day diet after a few weeks of binge drinking and the stomach fat just vaporise with a week.
Yah, I'm all ready for the beaches with my secksy secksy 6 pack ^_^
Although this may be slightly off topic, you do mention that,
On June 02 2011 06:59 forgotten0ne wrote: I actually did use one with creatine for a while, but that can be quite dangerous (although effective for weight loss).
creatine is not used for, nor has any impact on fat loss. It is also not dangerous.
Maybe I just have incredible amounts of willpower, but I go on a 3 apple+3 bowls of cereal / day diet after a few weeks of binge drinking and the stomach fat just vaporise with a week.
Yah, I'm all ready for the beaches with my secksy secksy 6 pack ^_^
On June 03 2011 00:52 EZmark wrote: 6'3 175 lbs is so skinny dude... you must have no muscle mass @ all
6'3 175 isn't particularly skinny. Not that BMI is anything great but that weight and height puts one smack dab in the middle of the normal BMI range. If you look at the people that are truly lean (but still very healthy) such as elite runners most of them are right around or just under the 20 BMI range. Obviously 6'3" 175 isn't ripped, but most guys at that aren't going to be sticks either.
On June 02 2011 06:59 forgotten0ne wrote: I actually did use one with creatine for a while, but that can be quite dangerous (although effective for weight loss).
creatine is not used for, nor has any impact on fat loss. It is also not dangerous.
Hahaha, I completely overlooked that line. How does creatine help you with losing weight? Creatine is used to save water supply in your muscle to "pump them" and also increased strength (at least it has that affect for lots of people). So it won't make you lose fat, but make you look more bufffed.
Its not dangerous if used correctly. You need to drink a lot, if not, it can damage your body but only if you overdo it. For a skinny person - non bodybuilder - creatine is absolutely not needed.
On June 03 2011 01:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Did you miss sex before you had it? Every fat or overweight person that states "I'm happy as I am" or satisfied with what I got does say that, because they don't know better. I had 30-40lbs more than I have now. (I'm 176, 76KG and still want to lose 4KG to push body fat down a bit). You feel so much better, more active... more fit, everything.
A fat person can say whatever he/she wants - being healthy is better and feels better.
congratulations, but it's totally arrogant and ignorant to suggest that all overweight people will feel better if they lose 30-40lbs. i know plenty of overweight people who would disagree with you, they are comfortable and show more confidence than most people of average weight (who are instead self-conscious about other stuff like hair, mole, lack of muscle, height, hygeine, occupation etc).
for the record i lost about 50lbs during the same time i had my growth spurt to 6' 4". but i feel better about myself because i figured out that being self-conscious and worrying about stupid stuff is pointless stress. if you're confident then you can achieve incredible results, regardless of appearance.
psychological health is far more important for happiness than physiological health.
On June 03 2011 01:10 Ravencruiser wrote: Maybe I just have incredible amounts of willpower, but I go on a 3 apple+3 bowls of cereal / day diet after a few weeks of binge drinking and the stomach fat just vaporise with a week.
Yah, I'm all ready for the beaches with my secksy secksy 6 pack ^_^
I usually workout at least every other day eating a ton with vitamin and protein powder supplements so I'm decently toned to say the least. The diet is just to cut those stubborn stomach fat fast which would otherwise take at least 1-2 months to shave. Not worried about muscle mass loss thanks ^^
On June 03 2011 01:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Did you miss sex before you had it? Every fat or overweight person that states "I'm happy as I am" or satisfied with what I got does say that, because they don't know better. I had 30-40lbs more than I have now. (I'm 176, 76KG and still want to lose 4KG to push body fat down a bit). You feel so much better, more active... more fit, everything.
A fat person can say whatever he/she wants - being healthy is better and feels better.
congratulations, but it's totally arrogant and ignorant to suggest that all overweight people will feel better if they lose 30-40lbs. i know plenty of overweight people who would disagree with you, they are comfortable and show more confidence than most people of average weight (who are instead self-conscious about other stuff like hair, mole, lack of muscle, height, hygeine, occupation etc).
for the record i lost about 50lbs during the same time i had my growth spurt to 6' 4". but i feel better about myself because i figured out that being self-conscious and worrying about stupid stuff is pointless stress. if you're confident then you can achieve anything, regardless of appearance.
psychological health is far more important for happiness than physiological health.
First of all, how is it arrogant. Could be ignorant but I seem to miss your point, since you agree that you feel better with less weight. They can say they are happy as they are, but I would say, they would be even more happy with less weight.
Its just like the same bullshit when people say "looks doesn't matter when falling in love" - yes, they do. First thing you see are the "looks" - not more, not less. You would never go and chat up a girl you don't like from the looks to begin with.
Thats how the human mind works, at least partly. I never said that you should worry about everything and obviously psychological health is more important, yet being more healthy and havinga good body will only bring advantages if you don't want to force it.
why does everyone say u need some kind of uber special diet, last year i lost 30 kilos in under 3 months by just starting sport everyday and not eat fucking fastfood and unhealthy stuff at the evening and bam
On June 03 2011 01:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Did you miss sex before you had it? Every fat or overweight person that states "I'm happy as I am" or satisfied with what I got does say that, because they don't know better. I had 30-40lbs more than I have now. (I'm 176, 76KG and still want to lose 4KG to push body fat down a bit). You feel so much better, more active... more fit, everything.
A fat person can say whatever he/she wants - being healthy is better and feels better.
congratulations, but it's totally arrogant and ignorant to suggest that all overweight people will feel better if they lose 30-40lbs. i know plenty of overweight people who would disagree with you, they are comfortable and show more confidence than most people of average weight (who are instead self-conscious about other stuff like hair, mole, lack of muscle, height, hygeine, occupation etc).
for the record i lost about 50lbs during the same time i had my growth spurt to 6' 4". but i feel better about myself because i figured out that being self-conscious and worrying about stupid stuff is pointless stress. if you're confident then you can achieve anything, regardless of appearance.
psychological health is far more important for happiness than physiological health.
First of all, how is it arrogant. Could be ignorant but I seem to miss your point, since you agree that you feel better with less weight. They can say they are happy as they are, but I would say, they would be even more happy with less weight.
Its just like the same bullshit when people say "looks doesn't matter when falling in love" - yes, they do. First thing you see are the "looks" - not more, not less. You would never go and chat up a girl you don't like from the looks to begin with.
Thats how the human mind works, at least partly. I never said that you should worry about everything and obviously psychological health is more important, yet being more healthy and havinga good body will only bring advantages if you don't want to force it.
right... so you believe that you feel better if you lose weight because you become more sexually attractive and therefore have a better chance of pulling a hot bod?
you come accross as being pretty shallow.
if it makes you feel happy, great. but consider the possiblity that not everyone is the same. you should also question the reason why losing weight made you feel happier with yourself... because appearance shouldn't matter.
Pretty good info.. but you coulda just said cut the carbs, and stick to a high protein in your diet. Your pretty much forcing your body to utilize the fat for energy since there is very little carb. Pro body builders do this exact same thing except with alot more quantity.
On June 03 2011 01:08 mTw|NarutO wrote: Did you miss sex before you had it? Every fat or overweight person that states "I'm happy as I am" or satisfied with what I got does say that, because they don't know better. I had 30-40lbs more than I have now. (I'm 176, 76KG and still want to lose 4KG to push body fat down a bit). You feel so much better, more active... more fit, everything.
A fat person can say whatever he/she wants - being healthy is better and feels better.
congratulations, but it's totally arrogant and ignorant to suggest that all overweight people will feel better if they lose 30-40lbs. i know plenty of overweight people who would disagree with you, they are comfortable and show more confidence than most people of average weight (who are instead self-conscious about other stuff like hair, mole, lack of muscle, height, hygeine, occupation etc).
for the record i lost about 50lbs during the same time i had my growth spurt to 6' 4". but i feel better about myself because i figured out that being self-conscious and worrying about stupid stuff is pointless stress. if you're confident then you can achieve anything, regardless of appearance.
psychological health is far more important for happiness than physiological health.
First of all, how is it arrogant. Could be ignorant but I seem to miss your point, since you agree that you feel better with less weight. They can say they are happy as they are, but I would say, they would be even more happy with less weight.
Its just like the same bullshit when people say "looks doesn't matter when falling in love" - yes, they do. First thing you see are the "looks" - not more, not less. You would never go and chat up a girl you don't like from the looks to begin with.
Thats how the human mind works, at least partly. I never said that you should worry about everything and obviously psychological health is more important, yet being more healthy and havinga good body will only bring advantages if you don't want to force it.
right... so you believe that you feel better if you lose weight because you become more sexually attractive and therefore have a better chance of pulling a hot bod?
you come accross as being pretty shallow.
if it makes you feel happy, great. but consider the possiblity that not everyone is the same. you should also question the reason why losing weight made you feel happier with yourself... because appearance shouldn't matter.
Becoming more sexually attractive is just a side effect. Its just that you feel better, because you have more stamina, you don't sweat as fast, you feel more healthy, more fit all around. How am I shallow, just because I'm saying that a good body only brings advantages?
When you say you lost like 50lbs, you should know what I'm talking about. I'm not interested in pulling chicks left and right, but in living healthy and doing myself a favor. If someone wants to be overweight and is satisfied with that, its fine for me - but doesn't change my opinion that I'm certain the person would be more glad if he/she would know the difference.
Edit: I also have overweight friends and I have no problem with people being overweight. I can have fun with them as I can with other people, I do not laugh at them or anything, how am I shallow. Its just a different opinion and you are being ignorant my friend ;-)
On June 02 2011 13:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Also, I would recommend not sitting as much, if possible. I just read this article that gave some insight on just how bad excessive sitting is.
Oh gosh... I'm going for a walk around the office... :\
Definitely some key elements of really any diet or weight loss plan are in the OP. I don't worry about weight because my metabolism is pretty fast. The thing is I didn't always have a fast metabolism, but i developed it. Not just eating big meals but smaller portion meals every couple hours i feel helps me. Also i exercise everyday and don't eat too terribly, too often.
Tbh your diet is pretty bad and not really healthy or sustainable for someone with a job or school. There are a lot of ways to lose weight, but many bad ways. They still yield results but that doesn't mean they are particularly healthy.
On June 02 2011 16:16 Shvifb wrote: Focusing entirely on losing weight is wrong. There's more to the diet than that. The OP doesn't have a single vegetable in his meal plan
The guy lost wait eating crap food just to prove a point that losing weight without proper died is an unhealthy thing no one should do.
Which just reinforces the obvious: if you wanna lose weight. Just go see a real doctor for a good diet. Don't take the word of randoms in the internet. There's a lot of unhealthy info in the OP.
Losing weight is about restricting calories compared to expenditure. Where they come from doesn't matter too much (ignoring lack of vitamin issues, but that's not hard to supplement in). This is really well established in the medical literature at this point. And a "healthy diet" also isn't well established either, but that's a whole other issue.
This guy's calorie restriction diet is a tad rough, but fully functional. Just realize that calorie restriction diets are *hard* during the adjustment phase. But once you're adjusted to them, you operate just fine.
You completely missed the point. Losing weight can be unhealthy if done wrong. No one should have an end goal of just simply losing weight and that's it. Your goal should be to become more healthy. If you follow an unhealthy diet you'll lose weight but have health problems later on.
Look it's very very simple: if you need medical advice (as losing weight is) then you go see a doctor for a healthy way to do it. Instead of reading unhealthy crap on the internet from randoms with of unknown qualification.
On June 03 2011 02:11 spacecoke wrote: Almost 50% of the training devoted to strength training is way too much if the goal is to loose as much weight as possible.
Running is the best way to loose weight, so about 80% of the exercise should be running/walking.
And remember, too much muscle mass, just as too much fat on the body, is ugly and makes one look stupid (think of Conan the Barbarian).
Anyway, good job on the article.
Running is the best way to lose weight and also the best way to damage your knees. If you are overweight, swimming, strength - training with cardio afterwards, but not much running to start off is a lot better.
On June 03 2011 00:52 EZmark wrote: 6'3 175 lbs is so skinny dude... you must have no muscle mass @ all
Not trying to sound negative @op, but I agree with this statement.
If you're doing the pararescue stuff with the Air Force, I'd seriously suggest you bulk up.
I'm 6'2 190lbs at the moment and I'm still pretty skinny. I think you took weight loss to the extreme and didn't stop doing it at the proper time. You should probably look into doing some bulking up to like 200lbs, it'll help with pararescue immensely.
Running is the best way to lose weight and also the best way to damage your knees. If you are overweight, swimming, strength - training with cardio afterwards, but not much running to start off is a lot better.
;-)
Exactly. It's better to train on a crosstrainer, hometrainer or even walk.
Running is the best way to lose weight and also the best way to damage your knees. If you are overweight, swimming, strength - training with cardio afterwards, but not much running to start off is a lot better.
;-)
Exactly. It's better to train on a crosstrainer, hometrainer or even walk.
So you’ve got your diet, you’ve got your exercise program, now you want to know how to maximize your weight loss, so that you can be proud of every day you step onto the scale. Here’s a list of tips and tricks:
- Stop eating within 4 hours of going to bed.
This is almost patently untrue, depending on of course, how much you eat and what it is.
Your body burns a great deal of calories digesting food... So if you can pack down some food for your body to digest while you sleep, you can let your metabolism take care of some calories. Now of course, you don't wanna eat a big mac before you sleep. But some protein (harder to digest, hence burning more calories), like a small chicken breast, will actually help you get more cut while you sleep.
Just ask the guy who played Thor, you want to have 6 small meals a day, keep that stomach churning food... Just not large quantities of food.
On June 03 2011 02:11 spacecoke wrote: Almost 50% of the training devoted to strength training is way too much if the goal is to loose as much weight as possible.
Running is the best way to loose weight, so about 80% of the exercise should be running/walking.
And remember, too much muscle mass, just as too much fat on the body, is ugly and makes one look stupid (think of Conan the Barbarian).
Anyway, good job on the article.
Running is the best way to lose weight and also the best way to damage your knees. If you are overweight, swimming, strength - training with cardio afterwards, but not much running to start off is a lot better.
;-)
Where'd you hear that running is the best way to lose weight? I'd think it's weight lifting.
When i'm really trying to ditch the kilos i eat around 500 kalories a day. Drink water the rest of the time. 500 kalories = dinner. I go to sleep if i'm too hungry it's fast but not very pleasant, and obviously not very healthy. I don't really care, i just needa look fit.
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
I'm astounded that people read pseudoscience on some blog, or a website that sells the snake-oil and then will blindly boast about it. Where is the proof? How about a peer-reviewed paper regarding the benefits of "structured water", or "MRET Activated water". Oh wait, that's impossible because it doesn't exist. (Note: There is such a thing as structured water, but has no correlation to the claims of this pseudo scientific garbage) You then try to backup your claims by linking to websites who benefit from these scams. How about a reliable source?
It's almost as hilarious as your completely baseless claim that masturbating 3+ times a week has serious side effects. Mind providing proof of that one too?
Let's take our tinfoil hats off for a second and be adults.
One thing that I find interesting in this entire thread is that a lot of people are bashing on the OP... Well I don't think they read it because he did this 5 years ago... he obviously didn't gain the weight back, or die. I think this is interesting I was doing something similar back in December and was losing a lot of weight but I didn't stick to it and ended up gaining back most of the weight that I had lost.
I Really enjoyed the OP it had a lot of very awesome information and I think I will be trying this starting on Monday. I work Full time so I will be changing around a lot of the stuff like jogging on lunch and workout times later.
Only thing I would change is adding more veggies into your diet. I think you might have mentioned it but someone was bitching about it on another post.
Seeing that it worked for you and your doing great now is super awesome thanks for posting this and giving me the motivation to start back up and training again. So thanks. Also L_Master thanks for a lot of the great posting on this thread
Wow @ 1240 calorie diet. Weight is dropping off me fast at 1900 at the moment. I congratulate you on your success OP, but I think you're overdoing it. This is a pretty good and reasonable thread, especially when there's so much bullshit and pseudoscience around losing weight. I'd like to add that you should do squats and deadlifts.(With proper form obv.) They're amazing and manly.
On June 03 2011 03:25 NokCha wrote: i play ddr on heavy for half an hour. Is ddr on heavy settings(8-9 foot difficulty) better or equivalent to half an hour of jogging or running?
If it can get your heart rate into the target fat burning zone then it is good. After a dance or game, check your pulse for ten seconds then multiply by 6. If its in the target zone (google the zone for your age group) and you can sustain that heart rate, then yes it is good.
If you're breathing heavy / sweating too that is also a good sign. Its all about raising your heart rate to a specific level and maintaining it there for a duration. This is what HIIT training is popular as it spikes your heart rate from a good sprint then stays up there for a couple minutes while you just walk to rest. Then when it starts to go down you just sprint again.
On June 03 2011 03:25 NokCha wrote: i play ddr on heavy for half an hour. Is ddr on heavy settings(8-9 foot difficulty) better or equivalent to half an hour of jogging or running?
Its more of a sprint workout since you're not sustaining the movement continuously., but rather taking a break after each song. That being said, dancing is quite a good workout and if you keep your heartrate in the target zone as above, is healthy for you.
However, 9 foot on heavy is good though im at 12 XD. Thats how i lost weight, dancing to DDR 1-2 hours a day
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
I'm astounded that people read pseudoscience on some blog, or a website that sells the snake-oil and then will blindly boast about it. Where is the proof? How about a peer-reviewed paper regarding the benefits of "structured water", or "MRET Activated water". Oh wait, that's impossible because it doesn't exist. (Note: There is such a thing as structured water, but has no correlation to the claims of this pseudo scientific garbage) You then try to backup your claims by linking to websites who benefit from these scams. How about a reliable source?
It's almost as hilarious as your completely baseless claim that masturbating 3+ times a week has serious side effects. Mind providing proof of that one too?
Let's take our tinfoil hats off for a second and be adults.
Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. Why don't you read a book on it. Then say it's a scam or not.
Just because you haven't taken a peak at something that was discovered in the 1920's doesn't mean its false.
And my personal experiences support this, within a week I was flushing out toxins through diarrhea, 5 times a day. But I actually felt GREAT. It wasn't that stigmatizing, crippling feeling one has when they are sick. I try to be as unbiased as possible.
And of course masterbating 3+ times a week is detrimental for your health, just based on the fact that your body UPS adrenal gland activity, as well as the fact that your Testosterone stay low and peak back to pre-masterbation levels after 7 days. That doesn't look like homeostasis to me.
Don't read any post outside of the OP's and don't even read his entire post. There is a decent amount of broscience in their that is mixed in with true information. You can easily go toa forum like the one on Bodybuilding.com and get good, reliable information without the misinformation as it is not tolerated. Just avoid the misc forum... lol
Weight loss is about calorie intake being lower their than your maintenance metabolic rate, but not drastically lower. Many will tell you 500, but this information is for you to find out on that site and not from me. Take it from me, I have gained weight in a healthy fashion(muscle mass) by following real advice.
The OP's message tells you what he did, but not necessarily laying out how you could even follow his method of weight loss as he doesn't include any information on his macronutrient intake nor his determination method of calculating his caloric intake for his diet.
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
I'm astounded that people read pseudoscience on some blog, or a website that sells the snake-oil and then will blindly boast about it. Where is the proof? How about a peer-reviewed paper regarding the benefits of "structured water", or "MRET Activated water". Oh wait, that's impossible because it doesn't exist. (Note: There is such a thing as structured water, but has no correlation to the claims of this pseudo scientific garbage) You then try to backup your claims by linking to websites who benefit from these scams. How about a reliable source?
It's almost as hilarious as your completely baseless claim that masturbating 3+ times a week has serious side effects. Mind providing proof of that one too?
Let's take our tinfoil hats off for a second and be adults.
Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. Why don't you read a book on it. Then say it's a scam or not.
Just because you haven't taken a peak at something that was discovered in the 1920's doesn't mean its false.
And my personal experiences support this, within a week I was flushing out toxins through diarrhea, 5 times a day. But I actually felt GREAT. It wasn't that stigmatizing, crippling feeling one has when they are sick. I try to be as unbiased as possible.
And of course masterbating 3+ times a week is detrimental for your health, just based on the fact that your body UPS adrenal gland activity, as well as the fact that your Testosterone stay low and peak back to pre-masterbation levels after 7 days. That doesn't look like homeostasis to me.
HAHAHAHA CURE AIDS. CALL THE PRESS. You're an idiot if you think it can cure aids. Like seriously.
You know, it's not considered medicine. So it's alternative medicine if you like, and the definition of that is: Medicine that has not been proven to work, or been proven not to work. Untill it's actually confirmed, i'd suggest people not waste their money on this ultra-purified water and start working out instead, or just go on a diet.
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
I'm astounded that people read pseudoscience on some blog, or a website that sells the snake-oil and then will blindly boast about it. Where is the proof? How about a peer-reviewed paper regarding the benefits of "structured water", or "MRET Activated water". Oh wait, that's impossible because it doesn't exist. (Note: There is such a thing as structured water, but has no correlation to the claims of this pseudo scientific garbage) You then try to backup your claims by linking to websites who benefit from these scams. How about a reliable source?
It's almost as hilarious as your completely baseless claim that masturbating 3+ times a week has serious side effects. Mind providing proof of that one too?
Let's take our tinfoil hats off for a second and be adults.
Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. Why don't you read a book on it. Then say it's a scam or not.
Just because you haven't taken a peak at something that was proven in the 1920's doesn't mean its false.
And of course masterbating 3+ times a week is detrimental for your health, just based on the fact that your body UPS adrenal gland activity, as well as the fact that your Testosterone stay low and peak back to pre-masterbation levels after 7 days. That doesn't look like homeostasis to me.
Of course I'm going to "attack the messenger" as any rational human being would be able to quickly distinguish the fact that this is a scam, and not go around parading it as some miracle cure for AIDS. I feel sorry for the individuals who fall for these scams and give these fraudsters their money in return for false hope. There is no cure for AIDS.
What was proven in the 1920's? Where's the proof? Here, I'll provide you with a scientific search engine that you can use to point me to the peer-reviewed article supporting your claim: http://www.scirus.com/
I'm dumbfounded regarding your claims of the harmful effects of masturbation. Did your pastor tell you this? Mind backing up the fact that it lowers testosterone levels for an extended period of time, as well as the fact that this is detrimental to your long-term health? Don't worry, I won't be expecting anything. Funny thing is the only source I got regarding significant side effects of masturbation were from quack health websites - likely the same places you got your information.
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
I'm astounded that people read pseudoscience on some blog, or a website that sells the snake-oil and then will blindly boast about it. Where is the proof? How about a peer-reviewed paper regarding the benefits of "structured water", or "MRET Activated water". Oh wait, that's impossible because it doesn't exist. (Note: There is such a thing as structured water, but has no correlation to the claims of this pseudo scientific garbage) You then try to backup your claims by linking to websites who benefit from these scams. How about a reliable source?
It's almost as hilarious as your completely baseless claim that masturbating 3+ times a week has serious side effects. Mind providing proof of that one too?
Let's take our tinfoil hats off for a second and be adults.
Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. Why don't you read a book on it. Then say it's a scam or not.
Just because you haven't taken a peak at something that was discovered in the 1920's doesn't mean its false.
And my personal experiences support this, within a week I was flushing out toxins through diarrhea, 5 times a day. But I actually felt GREAT. It wasn't that stigmatizing, crippling feeling one has when they are sick. I try to be as unbiased as possible.
And of course masterbating 3+ times a week is detrimental for your health, just based on the fact that your body UPS adrenal gland activity, as well as the fact that your Testosterone stay low and peak back to pre-masterbation levels after 7 days. That doesn't look like homeostasis to me.
I'm trying to lose weight right now. All I do is exercise for 30 minutes each morning, 1 hour at the weekends, and eat two Weetabix for breakfast, a tin of tuna for lunch, and either a jacket potato with tuna or chicken with pasta/rice for dinner (drinking lots of water). It's working great. Just need to cut out all the Pepsi and alcohol and get on the rowing machine.
Read it in parts, you have good attitude towards goals. Not sure about your rations though, your stomach needs food physically, you can't just put calories in it as much as I know.
And cardio AFTER weights workout is the best way to start burning fat.
+ medical facts (from my pro doctor, she's just all knowledge) = drop salt completely, it slows fat burning. She named it as the main part, besides working out properly. Besides that, she checked the amino acid supplements I used and said they are ok, can be used without harm, same goes for protein. In case you wonder, the thing to avoid is "el tiroxin", other el's are acceptable. Mass is ok as well, which I haven't used and don't intend to. But, if you're planing to use creatinine, you have to check your kidneys and kinda monitor the reaction.
Eating before going to sleep and much less sugar are good things, but not main necessities. Besides that, everyone should pay attention to what they eat, obviously.
Lots of time and effort, good stuff. Can appreciate that. Your "extreme diet" I tend to disagree with a bit as you shouldn't substitute powder for real food. But if that's what it takes for some people I'm all for it.
Just go high raw food and you'll lose weight, its really that simple. You don't have to restrict calories at all. Low fat, middling protein, no refined sugar or refined starchy carbs, no meat/dairy/eggs. eat between 2500-4000 calories in fruit and vegetables (boiled and steamed only if you want to cook them) based on the amount you are exercising, and don't restrict calories, it doesn't make sense.
Your diet would just produce massive cravings and no energy...you are talking about large amounts of exercise with small amounts of carbs, which is counter intuitive, and definitely not sustainable. Plus you are just going to lose a lot of muscle and water weight rather than fat if you are eating so few calories. So it looks like you are losing weight nicely, but you're actually just severely weakening yourself, and not providing any long term gain.
I actually have trouble believing you were able to get out of bed after a week of this routine. Its a comparable amount of food and exercise to living in a prison work camp.
Would strongly advise against anyone trying this. If you are going to, see a doctor and try and have him explain why you really shouldn't.
Of course I'm going to "attack the messenger" as any rational human being would be able to quickly distinguish the fact that this is a scam, and not go around parading it as some miracle cure for AIDS. I feel sorry for the individuals who fall for these scams and give these fraudsters their money in return for false hope. There is no cure for AIDS.
I managed to find this article written on the internet, has to be cached though. Since it was deleted and consequentially deleted off scirus.com as well. Put oxytherapy.com in scirus and you will find im not bullshitting.
Oxytherapy.com - OxyFile #009 - AIDS, Cancer Cured by Hyper-Oxygenation [44K] Mar 2005 ...original site is gone OxyFile #9 AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION (Waves Forest) Several dozen AIDS patients have not only reversed...disease. They destroyed the virus in their blood by hyper-oxygenation, known in various forms as... [http://clem.mscd.edu/~boettner/CancerTutor/Cancer/Mirr...] similar results
This just in, ALL VIRUS / BACTERIA / FUNGI / PATHOGENS / ANYTHING ANAEROBIC DIES TO OXYGEN. Fundamentally, all pathogens have one flaw. They are all anaerobic. Find me an aerobic PATHOGEN and prove me wrong.
Your government just prefers that you may not know that, but thousands of people have been cured in Mexican clinics using oxygenation. FDA officials and their family members also routinely go to oxygen therapy clinics.
I'm dumbfounded regarding your claims of the harmful effects of masturbation. Did your pastor tell you this? Mind backing up the fact that it lowers testosterone levels for an extended period of time, as well as the fact that this is detrimental to your long-term health? Don't worry, I won't be expecting anything. Funny thing is the only source I got regarding significant side effects of masturbation were from quack health websites - likely the same places you got your information.
HAHAHAHA CURE AIDS. CALL THE PRESS. You're an idiot if you think it can cure aids. Like seriously.
You know, it's not considered medicine. So it's alternative medicine if you like, and the definition of that is: Medicine that has not been proven to work, or been proven not to work. Untill it's actually confirmed, i'd suggest people not waste their money on this ultra-purified water and start working out instead, or just go on a diet.
HAHAHAHA you're an idiot if you think your government will stop their well-oiled machine of pill dispensing doctors and actually start CURING people of all these things medical science considers "DIS-EASES" which are just systemic responses to LACK OF OXYGEN / MALNOURISHMENT / TOXICOSIS / ACIDOSIS.
Wake up we're in 2011.
But anyway, far off-topic. I just wished to go into what helped for me. There are grains of truth with what everyone has stated so far, good thread indeed.
On June 03 2011 02:11 spacecoke wrote: Almost 50% of the training devoted to strength training is way too much if the goal is to loose as much weight as possible.
Running is the best way to loose weight, so about 80% of the exercise should be running/walking.
And remember, too much muscle mass, just as too much fat on the body, is ugly and makes one look stupid (think of Conan the Barbarian).
Anyway, good job on the article.
Running is the best way to lose weight and also the best way to damage your knees. If you are overweight, swimming, strength - training with cardio afterwards, but not much running to start off is a lot better.
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I consider riding a bike working better than running, swimming obviously is great, too. But at least I always get very hungry from swimming, but not from riding a bike ^^ 1) even with a bad stamina, it's possible to do it for a long time 2) or it can be used just for a small time schedule. Just ride it faster and get done in 45 minutes, can still use a lot of strength.
Personaly I just used always the almost same track and decreased the time I'ld need for it, frome like >60 minutes to 40. When I then moved to a different city, I chose a significantly longer track which I'm now working on to reduce time again.
But, as I said, when it comes only to losing weigth, imo it is much more effective to seperate sports and losing weigth. 1. phase doing sports, increasing calory consumption. Yet usually people also eat much more when beeing more active, it is very hard losing weigth in this phase! 2. reducing sports a little, reducing food consumption drastically. dropping a lot of weigth in 1-2 months. 3. When down the desired weigth, resume sports and try to level it out with food.
This might not be considered the most healthy way, but imo it doesn't do harm, at the very least not to young people. To my experience it's by far the most effective one.
Your diet is very, very unhealthy... Becoming healthy is not really about the amount of calories you eat daily (a diet of 1250 calories you're taking right now should, and must be supervised by a doctor. Even more when you're doing exercise daily, and i'll guess burning about 1000 to 2000 more calories with that.
And while the proteins are good for the body, you're lacking all the nutrient the body needs to be healthy (vitamins, calcium cos i'll guess you're drinking your proteins with water and not milk=, and even more important, carbohydrates.
What you're doing is de-compensating your body of vital nutrients you need, and your body will start to consume and eat its own musscles to survive, you're going to enter the "Starving" phase of the metabolism, where all the fats you eat are reserved in the body as a mean to survival, and you'll not only burn fat on your daily weight loss, but muscles as well.
For anyone thats trying to lose weight, reducing the needed calorie intake by about 500-750 cal, avoiding trans-fats, eating 5-6 times a day (to activate the metabolism), and watching the amount of sugar / flours (all this while working out atleast 4 days a week) is key. Stop eating fast food, and eat food prepared by yourself, vegetables, fiber, carbohydrates and proteins are ALL important for healthy weight loss.
For every 1 article you googled saying oxygen cures aids or that masturbation causes whatever. You can find another 100 saying the opposite. You're cherry picking only what feeds your little conspiracy limited brain.
For every 1 article you googled saying oxygen cures aids or that masturbation causes whatever. You can find another 100 saying the opposite. You're cherry picking only what feeds your little conspiracy limited brain.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Why are you mentioning conspiracies? There's no conspiracy. There's just proof in what I've mentioned. If you don't want to be open minded, that's your loss. Truly, the joke is on you.
Debate the facts. It seems you're actually choosing to disregard evidence.
What you're doing is de-compensating your body of vital nutrients you need, and your body will start to consume and eat its own musscles to survive, you're going to enter the "Starving" phase of the metabolism, where all the fats you eat are reserved in the body as a mean to survival, and you'll not only burn fat on your daily weight loss, but muscles as well.
That's obvious. It's the reason why there has to be done sports and increasing fitness before cutting nutrition. Otherwise it will just lead to the infamous jo-jo-effect. As I said, I cut down 15kg in 2 months, and my training results rather improved after that. Dragging along 15kg less makes many sports much easier to begin with, and thus much more motivational.
Losing weight and being healthy IS NOT A RACE. Do it properly, and you'll stay like that your whole life, if you de-compensate your self and suffer while doing it, you'll go back to be fat at some point in your life when you lose the motivation.
On June 03 2011 06:27 theOnslaught wrote: Losing weight and being healthy IS NOT A RACE. Do it properly, and you'll stay like that your whole life, if you de-compensate your self and suffer while doing it, you'll go back to be fat at some point in your life when you lose the motivation.
I've been eating to my heart's content ever since, while -as I said- training, thus increasing calory consumption further.
I know that such rapid drops are considered unhealthy, but I really have more trust in human biology than that we'ld suffer so much from a short phase of starvation. Over longer times, that might be true though. I wouldn't tell a guy with extreme obesity to lose 60kg in one fast run, that would most definitly come with extreme issues. For myself it worked out pretty well. Peridiocal hunger actually can awaken an interesting kind of altertness, but the weakness that comes with it becomes obvious when doing actual sports.
On June 03 2011 02:11 spacecoke wrote: Almost 50% of the training devoted to strength training is way too much if the goal is to loose as much weight as possible.
Running is the best way to loose weight, so about 80% of the exercise should be running/walking.
And remember, too much muscle mass, just as too much fat on the body, is ugly and makes one look stupid (think of Conan the Barbarian).
Anyway, good job on the article.
Running is the best way to lose weight and also the best way to damage your knees. If you are overweight, swimming, strength - training with cardio afterwards, but not much running to start off is a lot better.
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Where'd you hear that running is the best way to lose weight? I'd think it's weight lifting.
I don't think it even makes sense to say one way is the best way to lose weight. Remember losing weight is just calories in vs calories out. So the only way you can say one exercise is "better" than another for losing weight would perhaps be by which one burns the most calories per unit time.
I think this is why running is usually said to be the best because the calories per unit time from running is higher than anything else. An easy 4 mile jog of 30 minutes burns 500-550 calories most likely depending on weight, and an easy 10 miles on a bike in 30 minutes might burn 400-450 calories at the most.
Weightlifitng is definitely lower since it doesn't have the same overall intensity of aerobic exercise. Even working out for an hour very hard with circuit type stuff might get you 300 or so calories in one hour.
All that said, strength training is definitely a worthwhile thing to have in any good weight loss program for many reasons already listed.
For every 1 article you googled saying oxygen cures aids or that masturbation causes whatever. You can find another 100 saying the opposite. You're cherry picking only what feeds your little conspiracy limited brain.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Why are you mentioning conspiracies? There's no conspiracy. There's just proof in what I've mentioned. If you don't want to be open minded, that's your loss. Truly, the joke is on you.
Conspiracy nuts like yourself sure are rampant now a days (the one major downside with internet I guess). I find it pretty funny how you cant see yourself that you are one of them though..
For every 1 article you googled saying oxygen cures aids or that masturbation causes whatever. You can find another 100 saying the opposite. You're cherry picking only what feeds your little conspiracy limited brain.
Why are you mentioning conspiracies? There's no conspiracy.
HAHAHAHA CURE AIDS. CALL THE PRESS. You're an idiot if you think it can cure aids. Like seriously.
You know, it's not considered medicine. So it's alternative medicine if you like, and the definition of that is: Medicine that has not been proven to work, or been proven not to work. Untill it's actually confirmed, i'd suggest people not waste their money on this ultra-purified water and start working out instead, or just go on a diet.
you're an idiot if you think your government will stop their well-oiled machine of pill dispensing doctors and actually start CURING people
If you want your trolling to not be spoiled you have to at least try to be consistent
On June 03 2011 06:27 theOnslaught wrote: Losing weight and being healthy IS NOT A RACE. Do it properly, and you'll stay like that your whole life, if you de-compensate your self and suffer while doing it, you'll go back to be fat at some point in your life when you lose the motivation.
I've been eating to my heart's content ever since, while -as I said- training, thus increasing calory consumption further.
I know that such rapid drops are considered unhealthy, but I really have more trust in human biology than that we'ld suffer so much from a short phase of starvation. Over longer times, that might be true though. I wouldn't tell a guy with extreme obesity to lose 60kg in one fast run, that would most definitly come with extreme issues. For myself it worked out pretty well. Peridiocal hunger actually can awaken an interesting kind of altertness, but the weakness that comes with it becomes obvious when doing actual sports.
Have you ever heard of internal organ fat?, just because you don't look fat it does'nt mean you're not... internally. Your internal organs, like the liver, can store fat, and that shit is just as unhealthy as having fat in your belly is.
To me, it looks like you're willing to do anything to keep your unhealthy life style. Working out, doing sports and all that stuff is only 1/3 of it. Everything else comes from eating healthy.
For every 1 article you googled saying oxygen cures aids or that masturbation causes whatever. You can find another 100 saying the opposite. You're cherry picking only what feeds your little conspiracy limited brain.
Why are you mentioning conspiracies? There's no conspiracy.
HAHAHAHA CURE AIDS. CALL THE PRESS. You're an idiot if you think it can cure aids. Like seriously.
You know, it's not considered medicine. So it's alternative medicine if you like, and the definition of that is: Medicine that has not been proven to work, or been proven not to work. Untill it's actually confirmed, i'd suggest people not waste their money on this ultra-purified water and start working out instead, or just go on a diet.
you're an idiot if you think your government will stop their well-oiled machine of pill dispensing doctors and actually start CURING people
If you want your trolling to not be spoiled you have to at least try to be consistent
On June 03 2011 06:27 theOnslaught wrote: Losing weight and being healthy IS NOT A RACE. Do it properly, and you'll stay like that your whole life, if you de-compensate your self and suffer while doing it, you'll go back to be fat at some point in your life when you lose the motivation.
I've been eating to my heart's content ever since, while -as I said- training, thus increasing calory consumption further.
I know that such rapid drops are considered unhealthy, but I really have more trust in human biology than that we'ld suffer so much from a short phase of starvation. Over longer times, that might be true though. I wouldn't tell a guy with extreme obesity to lose 60kg in one fast run, that would most definitly come with extreme issues. For myself it worked out pretty well. Peridiocal hunger actually can awaken an interesting kind of altertness, but the weakness that comes with it becomes obvious when doing actual sports.
Have you ever heard of internal organ fat?, just because you don't look fat it does'nt mean you're not... internally. Your internal organs, like the liver, can store fat, and that shit is just as unhealthy as having fat in your belly is.
To me, it looks like you're willing to do anything to keep your unhealthy life style. Working out, doing sports and all that stuff is only 1/3 of it. Everything else comes from eating healthy.
Physical fitness is a good enough measurement for me to tell apart unhealthy from healthy. Btw my nutrition isn't as unhealthy as you might think.
I know at one time some kinds of flaming were allowed on tl if they were deemed justified so...
Moreth, your a fucking idiot. Less so if your trying to sell your 20 $ bottle of snakeoil and more so if you are just buying it. It's fine that you try to peddle your absolute bullshit to people because almost no one will buy it and for those who do we can think of it as "retard tax".
You obviously know fuck-shit about medicine, cell-biology and how the body works. This is evident of your pseudo science hogwash where you don't even have enough braincells left to be able string your "sciency" buzzwords into coherent fucking sentences.
I could forgive all that but the fact that your seriously trying to sell a bottle of normal water (because unlike a donkey who we could probably teach how different molecules of water could possibly look and behave you sir are shit out of luck) cures AIDS just makes it burst for me.
Modern medicine have an amazing % of cured people in almost all diseases and your cockwrangled nature bullshit haven't been able to produce a single reputable study since the 1920's which is saying something.
So either you sir, are a full blooded inbred asslicking countdiddle with a genetically defect brain (in numbers of chromosomes, defects in structure on all of them and a shitload of basepairs missing) or you are a wildly successful troll.
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
I'm astounded that people read pseudoscience on some blog, or a website that sells the snake-oil and then will blindly boast about it. Where is the proof? How about a peer-reviewed paper regarding the benefits of "structured water", or "MRET Activated water". Oh wait, that's impossible because it doesn't exist. (Note: There is such a thing as structured water, but has no correlation to the claims of this pseudo scientific garbage) You then try to backup your claims by linking to websites who benefit from these scams. How about a reliable source?
It's almost as hilarious as your completely baseless claim that masturbating 3+ times a week has serious side effects. Mind providing proof of that one too?
Let's take our tinfoil hats off for a second and be adults.
Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. Why don't you read a book on it. Then say it's a scam or not.
Just because you haven't taken a peak at something that was discovered in the 1920's doesn't mean its false.
And my personal experiences support this, within a week I was flushing out toxins through diarrhea, 5 times a day. But I actually felt GREAT. It wasn't that stigmatizing, crippling feeling one has when they are sick. I try to be as unbiased as possible.
And of course masterbating 3+ times a week is detrimental for your health, just based on the fact that your body UPS adrenal gland activity, as well as the fact that your Testosterone stay low and peak back to pre-masterbation levels after 7 days. That doesn't look like homeostasis to me.
Can't tell if trolling. Really hope is trolling.
It has to be, there is no way this guy can possibly believe the nonsense he is spewing.
I have quite of experience in the field of gaining and loosing fat. The only thing that works is looooooong term changing of bad habits that leads to your over weight. Its not that hard to lose weight, you just eat less calories than you spend on a daily basis. Its a fact and pure math, and NO PERSON ever, has gain weight by eating less calories than spent on a daily basis over a period lets say a month or longer. Your body needs at least a month to really understand that you changed your habits and then itself will start accting acording your new habits. Did you know that if you eat drasticly less than needed calories you ll also lose weight slower and feel miserably because body has its primal mechanisms that protect its supplys(fat!) in shortage of food? Always loose weight gradually and let it be your new life style not a fucking goal to lose weight!
And if you have balls to really solve your overweight issue you ll have to deal with the causes that started the habits of gaining weight. Traumas, abusing, fears, psychosis ...usually causes the eating dissorders. Piece of advice, dont lose time finding solutins around - you are the only one who can do something for yourself!
On June 03 2011 06:37 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I know at one time some kinds of flaming were allowed on tl if they were deemed justified so...
Moreth, your a fucking idiot. Less so if your trying to sell your 20 $ bottle of snakeoil and more so if you are just buying it. It's fine that you try to peddle your absolute bullshit to people because almost no one will buy it and for those who do we can think of it as "retard tax".
You obviously know fuck-shit about medicine, cell-biology and how the body works. This is evident of your pseudo science hogwash where you don't even have enough braincells left to be able string your "sciency" buzzwords into coherent fucking sentences.
I could forgive all that but the fact that your seriously trying to sell a bottle of normal water (because unlike a donkey who we could probably teach how different molecules of water could possibly look and behave you sir are shit out of luck) cures AIDS just makes it burst for me.
Modern medicine have an amazing % of cured people in almost all diseases and your cockwrangled nature bullshit haven't been able to produce a single reputable study since the 1920's which is saying something.
So either you sir, are a full blooded inbred asslicking countdiddle with a genetically defect brain (in numbers of chromosomes, defects in structure on all of them and a shitload of basepairs missing) or you are a wildly successful troll.
Either way you need to shut the fuck up.
Wow dude, I was just saying what worked for me. And I'm not trying to sell anything... it was just something that I found on the internet, researched it for a couple of months and was really surprised to find it worked for me. I'm truly sorry that you have felt this way over something I thought would help.
How else do I express my side on some information which seemed to help me personally.
On June 03 2011 06:40 forgotten0ne wrote: I would appreciate it if you guys could flame each other elsewhere, and not derail my thread. Thanks.
Getting fit is really about changing your habits long-term so you stay fit and healthy. Just crashing down your weight in a few weeks might make you feel better, but you're more or less guaranteed to get it all back on months or years down the road. A tip for you guys who can't be arsed to calculate your diet yourselves: use Lance Armstrong's site to track your eatings, the database is huge and pretty accurate.
Also Morteth, how do you manage not to go nuts getting off < 3 times a week? All that structured water can't be healthy for you after all :D
Of course I'm going to "attack the messenger" as any rational human being would be able to quickly distinguish the fact that this is a scam, and not go around parading it as some miracle cure for AIDS. I feel sorry for the individuals who fall for these scams and give these fraudsters their money in return for false hope. There is no cure for AIDS.
I managed to find this article written on the internet, has to be cached though. Since it was deleted and consequentially deleted off scirus.com as well. Put oxytherapy.com in scirus and you will find im not bullshitting.
Oxytherapy.com - OxyFile #009 - AIDS, Cancer Cured by Hyper-Oxygenation [44K] Mar 2005 ...original site is gone OxyFile #9 AIDS, CANCER CURED BY HYPER-OXYGENATION (Waves Forest) Several dozen AIDS patients have not only reversed...disease. They destroyed the virus in their blood by hyper-oxygenation, known in various forms as... [http://clem.mscd.edu/~boettner/CancerTutor/Cancer/Mirr...] similar results
This just in, ALL VIRUS / BACTERIA / FUNGI / PATHOGENS / ANYTHING ANAEROBIC DIES TO OXYGEN. Fundamentally, all pathogens have one flaw. They are all anaerobic. Find me an aerobic PATHOGEN and prove me wrong.
Your government just prefers that you may not know that, but thousands of people have been cured in Mexican clinics using oxygenation. FDA officials and their family members also routinely go to oxygen therapy clinics.
I'm dumbfounded regarding your claims of the harmful effects of masturbation. Did your pastor tell you this? Mind backing up the fact that it lowers testosterone levels for an extended period of time, as well as the fact that this is detrimental to your long-term health? Don't worry, I won't be expecting anything. Funny thing is the only source I got regarding significant side effects of masturbation were from quack health websites - likely the same places you got your information.
Apparently all these sources are quack websites as well. We both get our information from the same place it seems.
Uhh... where did oxygen therapy come from? Last I checked we were talking about your quacky structured water. The only correlation I see to my previous post is that I said that there is no cure for AIDS, yet you're claiming oxygen destroys the virus. Funny thing is the very link you provide says: "Unfortunately, even with all the benefits of oxygen therapy, it has not been found in any way to destroy the HIV virus." I'm not going to address the rest of your post regarding oxygen therapy, as you went on a complete tangent.
Regarding testosterone, great. Now address the second part of my question regarding the long term detrimental effects on an individuals health due to the temporary change in testosterone levels.
Recent posts are really proving the stupidity of the internet. If you take my diet, and replace it with one you define as "healthy", it still follows all of my advice. I simply give what I did, and have say several times that it is extreme. So for all of you that can't get over how "bad" my diet is, follow the advice to make one that you DO consider healthy, but realize all of my points still stand.
We live in an age of prominent obesity, apathy, and depression. In my recent time, through personal experience as well as reading, I have come to the conclusion that the 3 are tied together fairly tightly. I will not argue that you can’t be apathetic and depressed if you’re not obese, but I do believe it’s a lot harder -which brings me to my story.
Before I begin with the guide, I’m going to cover a little personal history. Currently I’m 23 years old, 6’3.5”, weigh 175 lbs., spend at least 3 hours a day, 6 days a week, doing physical activity, read 2 books a week leisurely, and am training to become an Officer in the U.S. Air Force, whom will one day compete for a position in one of the most elite teams in the world: USAF Pararescue. Now we’ll juxtapose this by rewinding 5 years. I was 18, 275 lbs., had little motivation, had little integrity (often copied my assignments off of my best friend in the same major), had decent grades, but mostly sat around all day playing video games (competitively at one point, but even then I couldn’t motivate myself to practice as much as I should have).
Reading about those two people (and they really are two different people, despite being in the same body), you can’t help but ask what happened in the 5 years between them. I wish I could say that I just matured, woke up one day with the weight gone, and my mind in the right place – this is obviously not the case. However, at the same time, I didn’t have to devote my entire life to fixing it. In fact, when I lost the first 90 lbs., I really only spent an hour a day exercising, which will soon be explained further. That being said, it does take devotion to do.
THE CATCH-22
There’s an inherent obstacle in trying to become healthy, in that in order to become healthy, you need to have good motivation, but in order to have motivation, you need to be healthy. This is unfortunate, and makes the initial stages quite difficult (how many times have you heard of someone quitting 2 weeks in to their weight loss plan), but not impossible. The key is to find an inherent motivator. By this I mean find a source of inspiration outside of the weight-loss itself, that you have a personal attachment to. This could be for a spouse, for a future job, for a feeling of acceptance (some may argue this is shallow, but we all want to feel accepted), etc. If you don’t have this, your other option is to have a good friend motivate you. This initial motivator is for the first four weeks, the most challenging part of the process. For me personally, my motivation was actually a self-realization of my lack of motivation. This sounds weird, but it’s actually makes more sense than most would think. Eventually, when you give yourself enough goals, that you fail because you can barely motivate yourself to get yourself out of bed, something snaps. A little part of your brain just gives up on giving up. I reached this breaking point the winter of my sophomore year, and I was determined to fix it.
You Are HOW MUCH You Eat
Whenever you start a weight loss plan, the first step should always be diet. There are a lot of pitfalls to diet creations, and this is often the leading cause of people aborting from their plans. In my opinion, there are three key components to consider. The first is to take an honest look at how badly you want to lose weight. Is it life and death to you, or would it just “be nice”? This is going to determine how strict of a diet you can follow. Obviously, the stricter the diet, the better the results you’re going to get, but if you can’t follow the diet in the first place, there’s no point in making it. The second component is to observe yourself, and figure out how many calories you currently consume. This is going to be the starting point from which you’ll literally work backwards. The final component is to figure out how many times a day you can break yourself away from what you’re doing to eat. It’s well known that the more you spread out your calorie consumption, the longer the time your metabolism has to break down the food, allowing for less storing. I highly recommend breaking away from the American standard 3 meals a day, and trying for 5 or 6, if not more.
When actually creating a diet, you have to realize one thing: Portion is more important that substance. By this I mean, contrary to what most American’s are so obsessed with currently, what you eat matters far less than how much you eat. This isn’t to say that you can eat whatever and expect to get maximum results, but at the same time, if you eat 1500 calories of crap a day when you normally consume 4000, you’re still going to lose weight. Compare this to changing that 4000 calories of crap to 4000 calories of “good stuff”, you might lose a little weight, but it won’t be apparent.
When I started to create a diet plan during spring break, I knew this was life and death for me. I told myself that if I was going to do this, I was going to do it right – from the get-go. After research and talking to a few “experts” I figured out what the minimum amount of calories that I could consume while still being “healthy” was. For me, this was 1300 calories. So, I worked with that number.
I feel that I need to touch on protein powders and supplements. First you need to realize that they are just that: supplements. They are great for a high protein, low calorie (as long as you get the right ones) addition to your diet. I probably even replaced a few too many of my calories with protein powder, but just don’t try to live off of them.
I’m not even going to begin covering the different types of diets out there, as there are literally hundreds. I will however tell you that the one thing every diet expert CAN agree on, is the more natural it is, the better it is for you. This means as close to the ground or an animal as possible. If it’s fried, processed, fabricated, or created in a lab, avoid it. As for whether to avoid this, or eat a lot of that, I’ll let you decide. Personally, I went for high protein, low carbs. For those that are lost, I will give an example of my *extreme* diet:
8 am – Wake up 8:30am – 2 eggs (140 calories) 10am - Jog 10:30am – Protein Powder (200 calories) 12:30pm – Skinless chicken salad (200 calories) 2:30 pm – Protein powder (200 calories) 4 pm – Gym 5:30 pm – Protein powder ( 200 calories) 7:00 pm – Fat free cottage cheese (100 calories) 11pm – Sleep *Snacks of almonds, peanuts, and a random fruit (200 calories over the day) were dispersed throughout the day It should be understood that this is very extreme, and walks a thin line in regards to health. However, following this regiment, I was losing 0.5-1 lb. a day.
Minutes of Pain - Lifetime of Pleasure
Exercise - many of us dread the word, because it means we are going to be tired, sore, sweaty, and it really just doesn’t feel great. But wait, if it’s not fun, why are there so many people that thrive on it, whether it be swimming for hours, playing Basketball or Football, rock climbing, gymnastics, or just trying to jump up walls. These are all activities that are taxing on the body, but are enjoyed by many. The separation is simple: the mind. We all use the same muscles, and display the same symptoms, but the brain is what tells us whether these are good or bad, enjoyable or miserable. Most often, this isn’t conscious, but is instilled by how we approach exercise. If we approach it as a chore, it’s not going to be fun. If we approach it as a challenge, it often becomes exhilarating, and we look forward to it. For some, it can be difficult to obtain this mindset, which is understandable when your body practically screams at you if you try to so much as run half a mile. No matter what the thoughts, in order to lose weight, exercise is essential.
One of the biggest reliefs to the incoming prospect of having to exercise regularly in order to lose weight is that you really don’t need much, especially when you’re just going for weight loss. There are, however, some pitfalls that are very important to avoid when creating an exercise plan.
The first thing to understand is that the body is a whole, of bones, fat, and of a culmination of muscles that work together to accomplish tasks. This means that you should exercise all muscles, and for maximum results, exercise them equally and regularly. The main thing to address here is runner’s syndrome. Often we look at the guys and girls that are great runners, see how skinny they are, and think that we have to “run our fat off”. While you do lose weight, you will lose a lot more weight by working the entire body. This is why a lot of females find themselves unable to lose that last bit of weight, because they never work their upper body, they just run all day. It’s the same with guys that want their six-pack, and do crunches all day. You have to work the body as a whole.
The second important thing to understand is that for as much as you need to work your muscles, you need to rest them more. Our bodies are built to endure a lot, but they still need time to repair. While you’re doing your part to work muscles by lifting weights, doing pushups/pullups, and running laps, your body has to do even more just to fix all the “damage” you’ve just done. There are two ways to work with this reality; you can work out every other day, or you can cycle your workouts so that you work one group the first day, and the other group the next. An important thing to remember is that we spend a good chunk of our life on our legs and feet, so the body is fairly used to patching those muscles up pretty quickly. This means that you can run a lot more often than you can lift or do plyometrics.
A final important point is that free-weights are always going to be more effective than the machines. That point I just made about muscles working together? That kicks in here. Isolating muscles with machines is going to give the body plenty to repair, and in turn make it nice and big, but it’s not going to learn how to work with the other muscles around it, which in turn makes it weak. Think of it this way, would you rather have a Basketball team of great individual players, or a team of good players that work well as a team? Your body is the same way. I know some of you are thinking, “but this guide is about weight loss, I’m not really worried about muscle gain!” On that same principle of body wholeness, your body uses calories to do its work, and when it’s busy using them to repair muscle, it has a lot less to contribute to fat. In fact, it will often use that fat as part of the energy to repair those muscles.
So now you’re at the point where you want to know what the hell I did that I only needed an hour a day to lose so much weight. Well, here it is:
Sun: Absolutely nothing Mon: Walk 10 mins -> Run for 10 mins -> 30 mins Biceps, Chest, Upper Back, Abs -> Walk 10 mins Tues: Walk 10 mins -> Run for 10 mins -> 30 mins Triceps, Shoulders, Lower Back, Abs -> Walk 10 mins Wed: Walk 10 mins -> 30 mins Run/Walk Intervals -> Walk 10 mins Thurs: See Mon Fri: See Tues Sat: See Wed
Watching the Pounds Drop: Tips and Tricks
So you’ve got your diet, you’ve got your exercise program, now you want to know how to maximize your weight loss, so that you can be proud of every day you step onto the scale. Here’s a list of tips and tricks:
- Stop eating within 4 hours of going to bed. - On your Sunday, eat something outside of your diet. If you want to keep it healthy but fun, try a Subway Sandwich on wheat, cut into 1/3s with the chicken, no cheese, veggies, and mustard. - Take a vitamin supplement with your breakfast. I also took Fish Oil pills, and Green Tea pills. - Drink plenty of water. This is VERY IMPORTANT. I recommend at least a gallon a day. Try to carry a water bottle with you everywhere you go. - Stay away from dairy. - Find as many friends and family as you can that you see regularly, and tell them what you are doing. Encourage them to support you, motivate you, and encourage you. - Gym buddies are VERY helpful for making sure you don’t slack. - Read books on mindset. I recommend Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl, and Unlimited Power by Anthony Robbins. - As you get slimmer and healthier, try some of those sports you’ve never thought you were in good enough shape to do. - Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.
If you follow this guide, I guarantee you will see results, and you will look healthier as well as feel it. You have to experience it to truly understand, but the amount of motivation you get is phenomenal, and for those of us that came from almost none, you start to feel invincible.
This part of the guide is for losing weight only. If you stick to it, you’re going to hit a point where you find yourself no longer needing to lose weight, but instead to gain muscle, and really get into good shape. If you think you feel good now after losing the weight, just weight (get it?), the best is yet to come.
Part II - COMING SOON
*EDIT* I feel I need to address a couple of concerns with my diet, and just how extreme it is. First before I get into the actual health, I would like to state that switching from a typical American 4k+ calorie diet to a 1240 calorie one is hard. VERY HARD. The first two weeks were the biggest mental battle of my life. I cheated a couple of times, but not in huge ways. Second, in regards to it being dangerous, as I said, I talked to a few experts. I knew the risks vs rewards I was dealing with, and my calories were tailored to my body. The key with a low calorie diet like this is that in order to not have muscle loss, you need high protein , high fat, and complex carbohydrates, as well as have a consistent routine that works all of your muscles (but doesn't overwork them). I wouldn't say this is safe, but if done carefully, it's also not dangerous. My biggest worry was actually stretch marks from how quickly I was losing weight, which I didn't even get much of. If you are serious about losing your extra weight, and seeing results quickly, my diet does work, but has to be handled perfectly. If you sustain injuries, you actually need to up your calorie intake. Also not all protein powders are created equal. In fact, most are crap. The key is to find one that is low calorie, high protein, and doesn't have a lot of the extra "crap" in it. I actually did use one with creatine for a while, but that can be quite dangerous (although effective for weight loss).
A Note on Bibliography: I didn’t actually use any sources for any of this writing. I’m sure much of this can be found elsewhere in other writing, but all of this is in my own words from my own experience. Any direct parallels to other writing are purely coincidence. This also means some information could be wrong, so please use it at your own risk.
Ok, mindset is good but your diet is god awful.
The key with a low calorie diet like this is that in order to not have muscle loss, you need high protein , high fat, and complex carbohydrates, as well as have a consistent routine that works all of your muscles (but doesn't overwork them).
I can live with the Ketogenic diet "approach" you were using. But the execution of it is far from optimal. The diet you are/were using does/did not have neither high fat by any means. Let me see, your daily fats are 2 yolks from 2 eggs and 200 calories with almonds/peanuts. Thats like 300 kCal from your total of 1240 kCal of your daily intake. Your % of daily intake Protein/ Carb/ Fat is now is like 75/ 0 /25 which is awful. With Ketogenic diet you should aim at 30-35% Protein, 0-5% Carbs (at most! from almonds/peanuts and "stretchy" vegetables like broccoli) and 60-65% Fats.
You are in a deposit of AT LEAST like 2k kCal DAILY (at least 14k Weekly). Include the calories you lose from jogging + working out daily (I can see you do not care much about the effectiveness of training, it's just to lose some calories) which would average at 600 kCal (1800 Kcal / week). To round it up, I'll leave it at 14k/ week in deposit. Now 1kg (2.2 lbs) of bodyfat is approximately worth 7k kCal so you are thinking you lose 2 kg (4,4 lbs) fat a week... WRONG. Unless you are a genetic freak you can at maximum lose 1kg-1.5kg (2.2lbs-3.3lbs) of bodyfat weekly. Now you see the problem here you are burning to much of your lean body mass here.
On top of that...
Your metabolism will suffer immensely from being in deposit of caloric intake daily and will decrease as long as you stay on the same diet till your body without working out is burning effectively 1240 kCal daily..
See your body as a bank account, if you are in deposit the whole time the bank will take interest rate on your account. Which is lean body mass (muscle) and metabolism that you steadily and surely lose over time.
Needles to say your body will never be as strong as would normally be with a proper diet.
2 years ago I helped a friend of mine lose weight (and by losing weight I mean mostly bodyfat). In 6 months he managed to lose 30kg (66 lbs). He went from 26% to 12% bodyfat. He was working out 4 times a week (50 min weight training followed by 45 min cardio at 140-150 hart rate) with limited supplements intake like glucosamine, bcaa, flux seed oil, a-z vitamins and vit c. His daily caloric intake was 85% (which was 2900 kCal when he started) of his daily needed calories. I put him on a 30/50/20 macro (proteins/carbs/fats) with one serious cheat meal per week to kick his metabolism into working at full potential again. Not going to list what he was eating but he was eating clean.
Now forgotten0ne, you are saying you are aiming for a career in the military, right? Unless you want a weak marathon runner body (or similar), you should stick with what you are doing.
If you want a body of a 100m sprinter you need to change your diet to say the least. Sure, Greene was juicing but I hope you get the point.
As for the people who seriously want to lose weight the healthy way you might want to look at Tom Venuto's book called "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle". Which is like the bible of fat loss.
Just want to make 2 points to anyone trying to do this:
First: In terms of what you eat, I whole heartedly agree with the statement that natural low calorie foods are much better than any other food with the same amount of calories. On that note, a human being can essentially live on eggs as they give amount 99% of everything we need. Now am I saying you should live on eggs? No, but they are low calorie and natural so just a piece of information for people.
Second: I resent the above statement about marathon runners having week bodies. This is not true in that many distance runners have very well built and toned bodies. Coming from a runner, Haile is not only just a small person in general, but is older and compared to the second picture of a quite younger person, it is a very biased statement and untrue.
On June 03 2011 09:18 Cold-Blood wrote: Second: I resent the above statement about marathon runners having week bodies. This is not true in that many distance runners have very well built and toned bodies. Coming from a runner, Haile is not only just a small person in general, but is older and compared to the second picture of a quite younger person, it is a very biased statement and untrue.
Please do post a picture of a marathon runner that looks normal. And sorry if I have upset anyone with this but I don't know how to state it any nicer.
On June 03 2011 01:57 Souljah wrote: Pretty good info.. but you coulda just said cut the carbs, and stick to a high protein in your diet. Your pretty much forcing your body to utilize the fat for energy since there is very little carb. Pro body builders do this exact same thing except with alot more quantity.
Lol that is so not true. Ketogenic diets consist of HIGH fat like 65% of total and standard 30-40% protein. Small quantities of carbs come along with fatty nutritions like almonds, cashew nuts, walnuts. But those are also rich in fiber which negates the carbs they carry in a ketogenic diet bodybuilders use. Other things that go well in a ketogenic diet are broccoli (lots of fiber), cucumber (negative caloric, you need more energy to digest it than energy the cucumber itself gives you), cabbage, asparagus, spinach and things like that. Basically as long as you keep under 6% carbs of your total calories intake per day, you are doing good.
Personally when I'm cutting weight I'm on a carb cycling diet which works very well for me.
On June 03 2011 02:11 spacecoke wrote: Almost 50% of the training devoted to strength training is way too much if the goal is to loose as much weight as possible.
Running is the best way to loose weight, so about 80% of the exercise should be running/walking.
And remember, too much muscle mass, just as too much fat on the body, is ugly and makes one look stupid (think of Conan the Barbarian).
If you are only doing cardio you will either end up being a skinny fat person (yes you are reading it right) or you will end up with a body of a marathon runner. Sorry to disappoint you but I can guarantee you thats not what most people want to have as their body. Besides, you think a little weight training will make your muscles grow like the ones Arnold had (lol)?
Water: Also people drinking to much water for a low caloric diets. I'm reading here a gallon a day for a 1240 kcal daily diet. You need about 1 liter (1/4 gallon) of water per 1000 kcal (extra 0.5-1 liter if you are working out). The sporters you see in the gym carrying a gallon of water they also have proper diets (I hope), with proper caloric intake. Too much water can cause problems with kidneys believe it or not.
Miracle fat loss supplements: Just remember this, if you see it being advertised 99% of time that product is not working as described or has VERY poor results. Products like stackers, hydroxycut and similar they boost your metabolism up to 5%. However there are better supplements that are not quite legal (also not advertised ofc) so I will not name them. Those are the real deal for fast fat loss, which pro bodybuilders use for some fast shredding of fat if needed.
On June 03 2011 09:18 Cold-Blood wrote: Second: I resent the above statement about marathon runners having week bodies. This is not true in that many distance runners have very well built and toned bodies. Coming from a runner, Haile is not only just a small person in general, but is older and compared to the second picture of a quite younger person, it is a very biased statement and untrue.
Please do post a picture of a marathon runner that looks normal. And sorry if I have upset anyone with this but I don't know how to state it any nicer.
Man, of all the people you could bash you choose Haile Gebrselassie, who happens to pretty much be the most badass distance runner of all time
Yes, obviously elite marathoners are lean, you aren't going to race well with excess bodyfat everywhere. That said they are exceptionally healthy. Its honestly pretty sad that we as a society are so conditioned to overweight and obesity that we can look at an exceptionally healthy elite endurance athlete and view them as weak or unhealthy. That marathon weight IS normal and it IS healthy.
Now about the body itself. Your not going to end up with a body like that, even if you eat a terrible, overly restricted diet calorically. Elite marathoners have that look for a few reasons. One is that the extreme ectomorph body shape is genetically good for marathoning. Lets not forget, most elite marathoners are competing somewhere between 5-8% body fat. Yes, thats lean, but is also more than within the healthy range of 2-3% essential body fat. Morever, aside from the fact that elite marathoners aren't generally genetically disposed to large gains in mass, none of them train for mass. The degree of strength training done varies greatly from athlete to athlete, but obviously none of them are going to put on alot of muscle because they aren't trying to gain weight and aren't going to consume the caloric surplus necessary for mass gains.
I wouldn't be shocked in the least if Haile had an equal or higher BF% to Greene as seen in that picture. He doesn't have the same muscle mass because for one he simply doesn't want it and additionally doesn't have a body type anywhere near as predisposed to mass gain as Greene.
The problem I have hear is that weak marathoner body was thrown out and made to sound very negative or even unhealthy, which couldn't be further from the truth. You have to be pretty damn healthy to tolerate the demands of running 150+ miles per week and not break down. As far as a marathon runner who looks "normal" look no further than the picture you posted. That is a completely healthy and natural body shape for Haile, and it really shows how out of touch our society is as far as a natural, healthy look that people can look at a runner like Haile and say he doesn't look normal.
It's worth mentioning that elite runners are also quite a bit faster, and stronger, than many might think. Alot of people I know are always surprised when they hear elite runner strength stats or sprint times.
As someone who lost 80 pounds in a year and gained a lot of muscle, I'll throw in two things: consistency, and cutting out "bored calories". Obviously everyone is different, but I found that a large amount of stuff I ate throughout the day was just because I felt like I needed to eat just for fun almost, its tough to explain, but once I started breaking that habit things started going well. Get some calorie free snacks to eat between meals if its too hard, I used sugar free jello (10 calories per cup, you can just stuff those down and it fills you up), chewing gum, or sometimes diet soda.
I always eat a regular 3 meals a day, never starve yourself, I eat quite heartily (chicken, grilled vegies, lots of rice/oatmeal, potatoes, milk, sandwiches). Work out with weights/some aerobic stuff/pushups 2 x everyday, about an hour total. I also walk/jog for about 30 minutes everyday (though I usually didn't have time for this during class days).
Other than that I still maintain a nerdy lifestyle (spend a lot of time at the computer, etc) and never did any real calorie counting or pulled any extreme measures. So yeah just devote some time everyday (no excuses :p) and cut out as many non-vital calories as you can with sugar free snacks, or through willpower if you are so inclined.
Keep it up man. And to all of you that want to loose some weight i can say from experience that the first few weeks are the real issue, when you get through them it's much easier.
So if i'm trying to gain weight i should do the opposite? I try adding eating oreos cookies and ice cream about 30 to an hour before bed to my diet and I'm still underweight lol. Think my problem is too much water in my diet. Honestly my best guess as to why I'm so thin is that I loveee water. And not just plain water. Ice water. A cup when you wake up and a bit before bed does a lot in the long run. (It has to do with your body having to warm up the warm before digesting it or something idk)
On June 03 2011 15:40 phiinix wrote: So if i'm trying to gain weight i should do the opposite? I try adding eating oreos cookies and ice cream about 30 to an hour before bed to my diet and I'm still underweight lol. Think my problem is too much water in my diet. Honestly my best guess as to why I'm so thin is that I loveee water. And not just plain water. Ice water. A cup when you wake up and a bit before bed does a lot in the long run. (It has to do with your body having to warm up the warm before digesting it or something idk)
Eat a lot and when you think youre full you eat another plate, figure out how many calories you need to maintain your body weight and shoot for a surplus of 500 to 700 calories. Also don't eat just junk, an easy way to pack on the pounds is peanut butter sandwiches and whole milk.
Hey people on this thread seem to have a lot of knowledge about KETO diets. I just started it about 2 weeks ago (and I am in KETO I got those cool ketostix yay!), and my goal is not to end up with the super skinny rib cage showing body of marathoner. That being said, I am primarily a runner, but I could care less about lifting huge amounts of weight or be ripped by any means, I just don't want to be super skinny. If your goal was to just cut body fat, not necessarily to increase lean muscle mass (i.e. I just want to lose fat, but I don't care if I get stronger), can I just KETO + distance run/distance cycle.
My current body fat % is sitting at about 14%. I currently do 1 hour runs/ 1 hour cycle cessions every 3 days with 1 resting day and I throw in a weight session about 1-2 a week for upper body (so I don't atrophy away). Any suggestions?
Good stuff, this will definitly work. I guess you can summarise it to: Eat less, work out a bit = profit. Hope you can inspire people to live healthier and better.
Just adding some stuff: I definitly don't think you have to eat many small meals for it to work, for me I've found that eating a few big meals and that worked out better for me. I ate three 500 kcal meals/day, all of them making me very full and worked out 5 times a week. From that I lost ca 1,5 pound/week until I felt the way I wanted. I started at 154 punds, so if you are overweight, which I wasn't, it will work even better and faster.
Also, creatine is not dangerous. I suggest eating it apart from the protein tho. Creatine will make you stronger in the gym and that will give your body better and more visible results. Much research is done on it, just google and see.
This thread is overly scientific, it doesn't deal with the real challenge of weight loss, the mental aspect. I've lost 15kg over the last few months after being overweight for 2 years, and for the second half of that period I was trying to lose weight. It wasn't the lack of genius diets or exercise regimens that caused me to fail for that year.
You need to develop a motivation to lose weight, based on some tangible goals, and sustain that motivation even when your weight loss slows after initial rapid gains. The greater your motivation the more extreme a change you can endure. Without that motivation you will fail in the long run.
I've been trying to put on a little weight so I can actually gain some muscle tone/depth but I keep losing weight. The most I've weighed is 59kg and that's when I was going to the gym twice a week and eating as much as I could. It's frustrating as hell, so what do you health freaks suggest me do?
I go to the gym for a 45 minute workout with my personal trainer, and we do various things but generally cardio, chest, legs, abs and bicep exercises. In regards to food I eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, I drink 2 coffees in the morning, the rest of the day I drink water. I workout at the gym on Tuesdays and I take Musashi Bulk Mass Gain Protein Powder after I get home(like 5 minutes from the gym). I usually do some workouts on wednesdays and fridays but they're just really jogging and ab exercises nothing too heavy because all I own is a treadmill and 2 2kg dumbells LOL. Ohh and I hardly ever have snacks because there is usually nothing in the cupboards xD. I also go on a jog every 2 or so days, since I live in the blue mountains so it's nice and refreshing to go down the bush trails and jog especially after a long sc2 losing streak .
But apart from going to gym and the occasional run, I just sit on my ass play sc2/go out with friends. Nothing really else.
On June 03 2011 18:10 MonkSEA wrote: Well.. I'm like 5"8, and 55kg..
so tl;dr How do I gain weight?
Eat more. There is no complicated answer. It is that simple. Eat. More.
Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
This thread has too much focus on the AMOUNT you eat in general. If your insulin levels are high you will gain weight regardless if you eat 1500 kcal a day or 4000. With that said, if you're truly motivated to lose weight, you'll likely succeed until you lose motivation. Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is hard.
On June 03 2011 16:56 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: Hey people on this thread seem to have a lot of knowledge about KETO diets. I just started it about 2 weeks ago (and I am in KETO I got those cool ketostix yay!), and my goal is not to end up with the super skinny rib cage showing body of marathoner. That being said, I am primarily a runner, but I could care less about lifting huge amounts of weight or be ripped by any means, I just don't want to be super skinny. If your goal was to just cut body fat, not necessarily to increase lean muscle mass (i.e. I just want to lose fat, but I don't care if I get stronger), can I just KETO + distance run/distance cycle.
My current body fat % is sitting at about 14%. I currently do 1 hour runs/ 1 hour cycle cessions every 3 days with 1 resting day and I throw in a weight session about 1-2 a week for upper body (so I don't atrophy away). Any suggestions?
The thing is while cutting (lossing bodyfat weight) it is almost impossible to gain any lean body mass (muscle) no matter what you do. You see to gain weight you need to eat more calories than your metabolism burns daily. So if you can't gain any muscle while cutting it's only logical that you will lose it while in caloric deposit.
You being on a keto diet tells me that you have done some research about it and do care to some extend about your body composition. So I'll tell you this. To maintain lean body mass while cutting you need to do weight training to minimize the damage as much as possible. If you exclude weight training I'm afraid there's no way to maintain same muscle mass.
With cardio alone you will see the most results on a scale (loss of fat and muscle the easy way). Weight training + cardio will give you best results if you look at body composition (loss of fat and maintaining muscle as much as possible).
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
On June 03 2011 18:10 MonkSEA wrote: Well.. I'm like 5"8, and 55kg..
I've been trying to put on a little weight so I can actually gain some muscle tone/depth but I keep losing weight. The most I've weighed is 59kg and that's when I was going to the gym twice a week and eating as much as I could. It's frustrating as hell, so what do you health freaks suggest me do?
I go to the gym for a 45 minute workout with my personal trainer, and we do various things but generally cardio, chest, legs, abs and bicep exercises. In regards to food I eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, I drink 2 coffees in the morning, the rest of the day I drink water. I workout at the gym on Tuesdays and I take Musashi Bulk Mass Gain Protein Powder after I get home(like 5 minutes from the gym). I usually do some workouts on wednesdays and fridays but they're just really jogging and ab exercises nothing too heavy because all I own is a treadmill and 2 2kg dumbells LOL. Ohh and I hardly ever have snacks because there is usually nothing in the cupboards xD. I also go on a jog every 2 or so days, since I live in the blue mountains so it's nice and refreshing to go down the bush trails and jog especially after a long sc2 losing streak .
But apart from going to gym and the occasional run, I just sit on my ass play sc2/go out with friends. Nothing really else.
And for all that matters, from your short description of what you are doing with your personal trainer, that's probably totally worthless, you should get ridd of him.
If you love to run, cut out the extra cardio in the gym, what would you need that for if you wanna gain weight?. Do deadlifts and squats, that will put some meat on your frame. Abs and biceps exercises are useless if you want to gain. Do you like milk? If so, drink as much whole milk as you can every day. Forcefeed yourself.
Just come to our little thread and we will help you. We have a 100lb guy which has gained ~15lb in 4 weeks.
One thing I'd warn for when going for weightloss is to carefully listen to your body when it comes to exercise. When you're overweight a schedule where you're running 10-30 mins every day can wreck your knees/ankles if you don't take enough rest. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking it's fine when you're very determined to lose weight and you'll just keep going. At some point you'll injure yourself and you won't be able to do any running for weeks.
Instead I'd suggest to alternate between cardio and weight training every day. For example - you walk/jog on mondays, do situps/pushups etc on tuesdays - back to walk/jog on wednesdays. This'll allow your body to recover from the exercises for an extra day (which is huge), and you'll still be active every day.
On June 03 2011 18:10 MonkSEA wrote: Well.. I'm like 5"8, and 55kg..
I've been trying to put on a little weight so I can actually gain some muscle tone/depth but I keep losing weight. The most I've weighed is 59kg and that's when I was going to the gym twice a week and eating as much as I could. It's frustrating as hell, so what do you health freaks suggest me do?
I go to the gym for a 45 minute workout with my personal trainer, and we do various things but generally cardio, chest, legs, abs and bicep exercises. In regards to food I eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, I drink 2 coffees in the morning, the rest of the day I drink water. I workout at the gym on Tuesdays and I take Musashi Bulk Mass Gain Protein Powder after I get home(like 5 minutes from the gym). I usually do some workouts on wednesdays and fridays but they're just really jogging and ab exercises nothing too heavy because all I own is a treadmill and 2 2kg dumbells LOL. Ohh and I hardly ever have snacks because there is usually nothing in the cupboards xD. I also go on a jog every 2 or so days, since I live in the blue mountains so it's nice and refreshing to go down the bush trails and jog especially after a long sc2 losing streak .
But apart from going to gym and the occasional run, I just sit on my ass play sc2/go out with friends. Nothing really else.
On June 03 2011 18:10 MonkSEA wrote: Well.. I'm like 5"8, and 55kg..
so tl;dr How do I gain weight?
Eat more. There is no complicated answer. It is that simple. Eat. More.
Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
This thread has too much focus on the AMOUNT you eat in general. If your insulin levels are high you will gain weight regardless if you eat 1500 kcal a day or 4000. With that said, if you're truly motivated to lose weight, you'll likely succeed until you lose motivation. Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is hard.
Completely agree. Unless people have experience with both cutting and bulking, they will never understand this.
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument would probably be wasted on you. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too (taking to the extreme of course, I have actually several friends which simply forget to eat). Speed of metabolism also plays a pretty important role. Yes, people are actually different.
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
First, I apologize for coming off as a dick, the internet does this to us sometimes.
To the point: Of course I understand what he means. But you cannot build any muscle if you don't eat, you could train 24/7 every day. The body needs energy to build those muscles, and if you don't eat and are at some single-digit bodyfat-percentage, where should this energy come from?
As a bigger guy myself, I often here "you just have to eat less", and that can be extremely annoying, but it is also entirely true. So on the opposite end of the spectrum to all those thin nerds out there: If you want to gain weight, you have to eat more, probably a lot more. You can only blame your metabolism for so long (again: exactly the same as for fat people).
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
First, I apologize for coming off as a dick, the internet does this to us sometimes.
To the point: Of course I understand what he means. But you cannot build any muscle if you don't eat, you could train 24/7 every day. The body needs energy to build those muscles, and if you don't eat and are at some single-digit bodyfat-percentage, where should this energy come from?
As a bigger guy myself, I often here "you just have to eat less", and that can be extremely annoying, but it is also entirely true. So on the opposite end of the spectrum to all those thin nerds out there: If you want to gain weight, you have to eat more, probably a lot more. You can only blame your metabolism for so long (again: exactly the same as for fat people).
When did I say you only have to go to the gym to gain weight? Please quote me on that.
Or go ahead and build strawmen to fight against....
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
First, I apologize for coming off as a dick, the internet does this to us sometimes.
To the point: Of course I understand what he means. But you cannot build any muscle if you don't eat, you could train 24/7 every day. The body needs energy to build those muscles, and if you don't eat and are at some single-digit bodyfat-percentage, where should this energy come from?
As a bigger guy myself, I often here "you just have to eat less", and that can be extremely annoying, but it is also entirely true. So on the opposite end of the spectrum to all those thin nerds out there: If you want to gain weight, you have to eat more, probably a lot more. You can only blame your metabolism for so long (again: exactly the same as for fat people).
When did I say you only have to go to the gym to gain weight? Please quote me on that.
Or go ahead and build strawmen to fight against....
I'm with you man, gaining weight THE RIGHT WAY is way harder than losing weight. I mean, take a walk, eat less carbs, bam you lose weight.
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
First, I apologize for coming off as a dick, the internet does this to us sometimes.
To the point: Of course I understand what he means. But you cannot build any muscle if you don't eat, you could train 24/7 every day. The body needs energy to build those muscles, and if you don't eat and are at some single-digit bodyfat-percentage, where should this energy come from?
As a bigger guy myself, I often here "you just have to eat less", and that can be extremely annoying, but it is also entirely true. So on the opposite end of the spectrum to all those thin nerds out there: If you want to gain weight, you have to eat more, probably a lot more. You can only blame your metabolism for so long (again: exactly the same as for fat people).
When did I say you only have to go to the gym to gain weight? Please quote me on that.
Or go ahead and build strawmen to fight against....
You still said gaining weight is harder than losing weight. And that is just not correct and depends enterily on the individual person.
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
First, I apologize for coming off as a dick, the internet does this to us sometimes.
To the point: Of course I understand what he means. But you cannot build any muscle if you don't eat, you could train 24/7 every day. The body needs energy to build those muscles, and if you don't eat and are at some single-digit bodyfat-percentage, where should this energy come from?
As a bigger guy myself, I often here "you just have to eat less", and that can be extremely annoying, but it is also entirely true. So on the opposite end of the spectrum to all those thin nerds out there: If you want to gain weight, you have to eat more, probably a lot more. You can only blame your metabolism for so long (again: exactly the same as for fat people).
When did I say you only have to go to the gym to gain weight? Please quote me on that.
Or go ahead and build strawmen to fight against....
You still said gaining weight is harder than losing weight. And that is just not correct and depends enterily on the individual person.
Gaining weight (fat) is easier than losing weight (fat), I agree. BUT gaining lean body mass (muscle) is 4x harder than losing same amount in fat. That is what Nightfly was saying in the first place.
You can lose 1kg fat a week with proper training/nutrition (and keep most of your muscles). But to gain 1kg (and this is generously speaking for an average person) of lean muscle you need a good month with proper training/nutrition/rest.
I can't fully agree with the OP on his nutritional advice. Less protein powder, more food. You also need a source of dietary fat. It is a fallacy that dietary fat = body fat. Fat is calorie dense however. Dietary fat is needed to be healthy.
On June 03 2011 09:18 Cold-Blood wrote: Second: I resent the above statement about marathon runners having week bodies. This is not true in that many distance runners have very well built and toned bodies. Coming from a runner, Haile is not only just a small person in general, but is older and compared to the second picture of a quite younger person, it is a very biased statement and untrue.
Please do post a picture of a marathon runner that looks normal. And sorry if I have upset anyone with this but I don't know how to state it any nicer.
Man, of all the people you could bash you choose Haile Gebrselassie, who happens to pretty much be the most badass distance runner of all time
Yes, obviously elite marathoners are lean, you aren't going to race well with excess bodyfat everywhere. That said they are exceptionally healthy. Its honestly pretty sad that we as a society are so conditioned to overweight and obesity that we can look at an exceptionally healthy elite endurance athlete and view them as weak or unhealthy. That marathon weight IS normal and it IS healthy.
Now about the body itself. Your not going to end up with a body like that, even if you eat a terrible, overly restricted diet calorically. Elite marathoners have that look for a few reasons. One is that the extreme ectomorph body shape is genetically good for marathoning. Lets not forget, most elite marathoners are competing somewhere between 5-8% body fat. Yes, thats lean, but is also more than within the healthy range of 2-3% essential body fat. Morever, aside from the fact that elite marathoners aren't generally genetically disposed to large gains in mass, none of them train for mass. The degree of strength training done varies greatly from athlete to athlete, but obviously none of them are going to put on alot of muscle because they aren't trying to gain weight and aren't going to consume the caloric surplus necessary for mass gains.
I wouldn't be shocked in the least if Haile had an equal or higher BF% to Greene as seen in that picture. He doesn't have the same muscle mass because for one he simply doesn't want it and additionally doesn't have a body type anywhere near as predisposed to mass gain as Greene.
The problem I have hear is that weak marathoner body was thrown out and made to sound very negative or even unhealthy, which couldn't be further from the truth. You have to be pretty damn healthy to tolerate the demands of running 150+ miles per week and not break down. As far as a marathon runner who looks "normal" look no further than the picture you posted. That is a completely healthy and natural body shape for Haile, and it really shows how out of touch our society is as far as a natural, healthy look that people can look at a runner like Haile and say he doesn't look normal.
It's worth mentioning that elite runners are also quite a bit faster, and stronger, than many might think. Alot of people I know are always surprised when they hear elite runner strength stats or sprint times.
Also I meant to add. Trying not to eat 4 hours before going to bed is far to long of a gap. If you don't eat 4 hours before bed. And then sleep 8 hours that's 12 hours without food and your body will have indeed enterted a catabolic state (breaking down muscle) people are afraid of eating close to bedtime because they think they will gain weight or get fat. Your body burns the exact same amount of calories per minute sleeping as awake. Trying not to eat an hour before bed is more than enough time. In fact depending on your needs I.e if you're looking to shed fat/gain muscle I even suggest having a slow metablozing protein powder beside your bed like casein. And if you wake up in the middle of the night you can have some of it to keep your muscles in an anabolic state (muscle growing/recovery)
On June 03 2011 22:57 SluGGer wrote: Also I meant to add. Trying not to eat 4 hours before going to bed is far to long of a gap. If you don't eat 4 hours before bed. And then sleep 8 hours that's 12 hours without food and your body will have indeed enterted a catabolic state (breaking down muscle) people are afraid of eating close to bedtime because they think they will gain weight or get fat. Your body burns the exact same amount of calories per minute sleeping as awake. Trying not to eat an hour before bed is more than enough time. In fact depending on your needs I.e if you're looking to shed fat/gain muscle I even suggest having a slow metablozing protein powder beside your bed like casein. And if you wake up in the middle of the night you can have some of it to keep your muscles in an anabolic state (muscle growing/recovery)
I wasn't going to post here but...
While the motivation story is nice to hear, and I won't hate on you for your caloric intake or the way you did it, the thread is filled with tons of misinformation. For example, the above quote is completely false.
First of all, let us use some common sense. If you are awake, the chances of you doing something active are increased a lot. Something as simple as walking will obviously take more calories than laying on your back in a resting state. Furthermore, as you go into a deep sleep your organs slow down because they don't have to work as much. Your heart rate slows, your breathing slows, ect. I bet you didn't notice your breathing until just now, but it has been at a steady rate that would be greater than during sleep. This is obvious...
Your muscles don't magically go into a catabolic state like that. But instead of posting the reasons why, I will post a link that includes (linked) studies that you can read if you so desire and actually learn what goes on, instead of "Well, I heard it from this guy..."
On June 03 2011 17:38 Balfazar wrote: This thread is overly scientific, it doesn't deal with the real challenge of weight loss, the mental aspect. I've lost 15kg over the last few months after being overweight for 2 years, and for the second half of that period I was trying to lose weight. It wasn't the lack of genius diets or exercise regimens that caused me to fail for that year.
You need to develop a motivation to lose weight, based on some tangible goals, and sustain that motivation even when your weight loss slows after initial rapid gains. The greater your motivation the more extreme a change you can endure. Without that motivation you will fail in the long run.
I apologize for not including a 200 page paper on mindset in my guide, I'll make sure to do that next time.
In all seriousness, there's a reason I recommend reading books on mindset/motivation in my Tips/tricks section.
On June 03 2011 19:11 switchdev wrote: One thing I'd warn for when going for weightloss is to carefully listen to your body when it comes to exercise. When you're overweight a schedule where you're running 10-30 mins every day can wreck your knees/ankles if you don't take enough rest. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking it's fine when you're very determined to lose weight and you'll just keep going. At some point you'll injure yourself and you won't be able to do any running for weeks.
Instead I'd suggest to alternate between cardio and weight training every day. For example - you walk/jog on mondays, do situps/pushups etc on tuesdays - back to walk/jog on wednesdays. This'll allow your body to recover from the exercises for an extra day (which is huge), and you'll still be active every day.
I tried doing something similar to this, the only problem is I did the pushups/situps 2 days ago and I'm still sore as hell from it, so I don't know when I'll be able to do them again.
Is that a sign of pushing it too hard or is it natural to be sore for that long?
On June 03 2011 19:11 switchdev wrote: One thing I'd warn for when going for weightloss is to carefully listen to your body when it comes to exercise. When you're overweight a schedule where you're running 10-30 mins every day can wreck your knees/ankles if you don't take enough rest. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking it's fine when you're very determined to lose weight and you'll just keep going. At some point you'll injure yourself and you won't be able to do any running for weeks.
Instead I'd suggest to alternate between cardio and weight training every day. For example - you walk/jog on mondays, do situps/pushups etc on tuesdays - back to walk/jog on wednesdays. This'll allow your body to recover from the exercises for an extra day (which is huge), and you'll still be active every day.
I tried doing something similar to this, the only problem is I did the pushups/situps 2 days ago and I'm still sore as hell from it, so I don't know when I'll be able to do them again.
Is that a sign of pushing it too hard or is it natural to be sore for that long?
Always happens to me the first time if I haven't done strength stuff in a while. After that first new round I usually just get a tiny bit sore for maybe a day.
I dont see why there is such a big deal about losing weight, all you have to do is give yourself smaller portions, maybe go to the gym a bit ( not nessecary ) but thats all you have to do.
I'm following a diet plan similar to the one in the OP. I've lost over 30 pounds and still going down. It's been going on for 5 months now, since the New Year's Eve. I'm also going to gym regulary, lifting heavy. My impression so far: I feel great, I can run and jump more, am faster and much stronger.
On June 02 2011 08:23 Morteth wrote: I hope nobody sees this as a plug. This does pertain to weight loss, and I'm just informing of my way, how I managed to do it. I guess its a bit like cheating, although I think it has to do with working intelligently, so you work less.
Structured water is biophysical equal to spring water. In fact, it IS spring water. Since it is organized, it hydrates better, and assimilates nutrients better. I also was able to successfully stop my masterbation addiction with this. (for people who aren't aware, 3+ a week will lead to chronic inflammation, and lead to adrenal fatigue and hormonal imbalances + more)
The water is also anti-pathogenic, so quite literally I can go out right now, have sex with a hooker, contract AIDS and the AIDS virus will die. This water has successfully cured AIDS. No joke, study is here. “The Physiological Effect of MRET Activated Water on Patients Suffering from AIDS” by Igor Smirnov, Ph. D., Explore Magazine, Vol. 15, No 2, 2006, USA.
Your body is made up of water in two forms, Intra-Cellular (fluid inside the cells) and Extra-Cellular (fluid outside the cells). All energy comes from the water in your cells. Being hydrated in your cells is what will give you that energy and performance you need and are looking for.
Accelerated hydration Increased oxygenation Muscles producing more power Increased endurance Less cramping in muscles No “sloshing” feeling in the gut Faster recovery Enhanced nutritional supplement absorption Helps detoxify Serves as a powerful anti-oxidant Promotes cellular communication
Honestly half of you will disregard this or flame it but I've never felt happier, stronger, and more positive in my life. I'm also at a point where I'm going to run a marathon. And I used to weigh 240 pounds 6 months ago. You guys might say that is a lot of weight to lose in a short time and things might be a bit excessive but with your body mass being so much water and having all your water being structured, it simply makes everything you do more efficient. I feel more mentally aware, more mentally acute and I actually don't even get mad any more. I am more patient and I was always a very impulsive person as a child.
Before you discredit this, simply check out these websites for reference. I'm pretty sure if you are going to take a supplement, take this. It isn't a supplement exactly, but it makes EVERYTHING you do with your body MORE efficient. Its logical. Why work harder, for less.
sounds like an ad for a product which actually does nothing at all, and is simply tap water with an expensive price tag.
Even when having sex with someone who's infected with AIDS, even if it's unprotected, there's quite a chance that you WON'T get infected.
Also, over 3 jerk offs a week causes inflamation/hormonal imbalances/adrenal gland fatigue? let's start with the fact that the last one is complete bullocks. the adrenal gland doesn't get fatigued. they could get inflamed and enlarged due to over use, but masturbation won't cause it. try hopping off planes several times a day + bungee jumping + every other kind of extreme sport, and you still won't get a major increase in adrenaline/nurepinaphrine production(maybe like a tiny difference, but it's microscopic).
Not sure if they sell bottled tap water where you live or regular spring water(mind snapping a shot of the ingerdients/contents/nutritional value tag on the back?), but we get spring water here(pretty much the only benefit to living in a freaking dessert war zone...), and it's nothing special. I much preffer eathing a shit ton of fruit than drinking water, since the water causes me to puke if i drink more than a mouthful faster than once an hour or so(Caused quite a bit of problems when I was in the IDF, I can tell you that).
There used to be a time when I was jerking off not three times a week, but three times a day(thank god I discovered sex two years ago), and other than very dilluted sperm(once I stopped doing that, it was gelatinous due to high sperm concentration for a while because of increased testicular work), and a sore forearm, there was absolutely no difference to my skin condition/skin condition in the loins. I do have psoriasis, but that's limited to a tiny area between my shoulder blades, and the only thing that helped me was being in the freaking desert.
and about hormonal imbalances: as long as you manage to bring the same amount of nutrients you lose in masturbation(mainly proteins and fats i believe), you won't have any imbalances, because the body would produce any hormones it needs to from the fresh nutrients you put in. as I mentioned earlier, I had absolutely no hormonal imbalances during what was roughly the most important bit of puberty, other than being short(genetics) and I still turned up the highest in my family at 175CM(which i hear is translated to 5'7").
so yeah, screw your "special" water. get sterilized water, and add the nutrients of your choice for all i care. the only difference in water is the amount of fluoride/chlorine/E. Coli/piss/dead fish/etc are in it.
two final notes: losing more than about 3-5(~4-12lbs) kilograms a month isn't just impossible, it's borderline disgusting. why? because you get this: + Show Spoiler +
which happens when you do a liposuction, and in the same realm of losing more than a couple kilos per month.
some of the stuff you wrote sounds exactly like what the psychopath japanese person who says that water has sentience and it understands the carious crap you tell it.
The amount of calories you intake daily is really really WRONG. 1300 is NOT HEALTHY for a male. You shouldn't be eating any less than 2000, depends on your weight and activity level. This is because your body goes into a starvation mode where your metabolism begins to slow down drastically halting weight loss or even reversing it because the body stores as much as it can what little food you eat. Not only does your metabolism drop your body begins to feed on your muscles and having muscle is important because the more you have the more calories you burn while inactive.
he was saying 1300 is the minimum while being able to still live without having big problems, not 1300 to be healthy, he isnt trying to be healthy, he's trying to lose weight
On June 03 2011 19:11 switchdev wrote: One thing I'd warn for when going for weightloss is to carefully listen to your body when it comes to exercise. When you're overweight a schedule where you're running 10-30 mins every day can wreck your knees/ankles if you don't take enough rest. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking it's fine when you're very determined to lose weight and you'll just keep going. At some point you'll injure yourself and you won't be able to do any running for weeks.
Instead I'd suggest to alternate between cardio and weight training every day. For example - you walk/jog on mondays, do situps/pushups etc on tuesdays - back to walk/jog on wednesdays. This'll allow your body to recover from the exercises for an extra day (which is huge), and you'll still be active every day.
I tried doing something similar to this, the only problem is I did the pushups/situps 2 days ago and I'm still sore as hell from it, so I don't know when I'll be able to do them again.
Is that a sign of pushing it too hard or is it natural to be sore for that long?
When a workout is keeping me very sore for more than 2 days I personally feel like I've gone too far. You feel great after that workout because you've pushed it pretty hard, but if it ends up holding you back on your next session it won't be worth it. One of the key points to losing weight is that you're able to keep up with an exercise schedule for an extended period of time, so finding out how much your body can take and how long it takes for it to recover is a great way to stay in the game.
If you're pushing your current weight training too far you can consider cutting down on the number of exercises you've been doing to see how that affects your recovery. For example doing 50 situps instead of 70 could be all you need. If you feel like that cuts out too much of your exercise, you can look at adding a few new exercises that train other muscle groups.
I've always felt like one of the hardest parts about losing weight is to manage your motivation. Once you've taken the step to work on your weight you generally want to go into it as hard as you can. An out-of-shape body can be very fragile though (especially your joints), which is risky to put too much stress on. Holding yourself back and slowly increasing exercise as you get fitter will make sure you're in it for the long run.
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
I have a really hard time gaining weight. It is pretty damn hard for some actually. Fast metabolism.
Fuck that fast metabolism shit. You just generally eat less than the average person.
Go to www.fitday.com and log a typical day of yours (or better yet: a whole week) and see if you are eating enough.
And 2.5k/day is not enough if you are doing any kind of activity at all. I for one used to have this "fast metabolism" syndrome and guess what was the cure: more food and then a whole lot more food. Stuff didn't start to happen when I was getting 3.5-4k kcal / day.
On June 03 2011 19:11 switchdev wrote: One thing I'd warn for when going for weightloss is to carefully listen to your body when it comes to exercise. When you're overweight a schedule where you're running 10-30 mins every day can wreck your knees/ankles if you don't take enough rest. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking it's fine when you're very determined to lose weight and you'll just keep going. At some point you'll injure yourself and you won't be able to do any running for weeks.
Instead I'd suggest to alternate between cardio and weight training every day. For example - you walk/jog on mondays, do situps/pushups etc on tuesdays - back to walk/jog on wednesdays. This'll allow your body to recover from the exercises for an extra day (which is huge), and you'll still be active every day.
I tried doing something similar to this, the only problem is I did the pushups/situps 2 days ago and I'm still sore as hell from it, so I don't know when I'll be able to do them again.
Is that a sign of pushing it too hard or is it natural to be sore for that long?
When a workout is keeping me very sore for more than 2 days I personally feel like I've gone too far. You feel great after that workout because you've pushed it pretty hard, but if it ends up holding you back on your next session it won't be worth it. One of the key points to losing weight is that you're able to keep up with an exercise schedule for an extended period of time, so finding out how much your body can take and how long it takes for it to recover is a great way to stay in the game.
If you're pushing your current weight training too far you can consider cutting down on the number of exercises you've been doing to see how that affects your recovery. For example doing 50 situps instead of 70 could be all you need. If you feel like that cuts out too much of your exercise, you can look at adding a few new exercises that train other muscle groups.
I've always felt like one of the hardest parts about losing weight is to manage your motivation. Once you've taken the step to work on your weight you generally want to go into it as hard as you can. An out-of-shape body can be very fragile though (especially your joints), which is risky to put too much stress on. Holding yourself back and slowly increasing exercise as you get fitter will make sure you're in it for the long run.
Being sore is ok.
Having pain is not.
Huge difference. So if you're sore for a few days, that means you're doing it right.
On June 03 2011 19:11 switchdev wrote: One thing I'd warn for when going for weightloss is to carefully listen to your body when it comes to exercise. When you're overweight a schedule where you're running 10-30 mins every day can wreck your knees/ankles if you don't take enough rest. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking it's fine when you're very determined to lose weight and you'll just keep going. At some point you'll injure yourself and you won't be able to do any running for weeks.
Instead I'd suggest to alternate between cardio and weight training every day. For example - you walk/jog on mondays, do situps/pushups etc on tuesdays - back to walk/jog on wednesdays. This'll allow your body to recover from the exercises for an extra day (which is huge), and you'll still be active every day.
I tried doing something similar to this, the only problem is I did the pushups/situps 2 days ago and I'm still sore as hell from it, so I don't know when I'll be able to do them again.
Is that a sign of pushing it too hard or is it natural to be sore for that long?
When a workout is keeping me very sore for more than 2 days I personally feel like I've gone too far. You feel great after that workout because you've pushed it pretty hard, but if it ends up holding you back on your next session it won't be worth it. One of the key points to losing weight is that you're able to keep up with an exercise schedule for an extended period of time, so finding out how much your body can take and how long it takes for it to recover is a great way to stay in the game.
If you're pushing your current weight training too far you can consider cutting down on the number of exercises you've been doing to see how that affects your recovery. For example doing 50 situps instead of 70 could be all you need. If you feel like that cuts out too much of your exercise, you can look at adding a few new exercises that train other muscle groups.
I've always felt like one of the hardest parts about losing weight is to manage your motivation. Once you've taken the step to work on your weight you generally want to go into it as hard as you can. An out-of-shape body can be very fragile though (especially your joints), which is risky to put too much stress on. Holding yourself back and slowly increasing exercise as you get fitter will make sure you're in it for the long run.
Being sore is ok.
Having pain is not.
Huge difference. So if you're sore for a few days, that means you're doing it right.
How exactly are you "doing it right" when you're so sore (=pain?) that you can't work out for several days? We're talking about weight-loss here, you think it's useful to push your limits, disrupt your schedule and risk taking it too far? We definately have different ideas on how to accomplish steady, safe weight loss.
Having pain and being sore is different. If you are being sore it means you have done something right because you are not used to work out. When you get used to be working out you wont get sore anymore.
Easiest way to lose weight: never gain it in the first place =)
But in all seriousness: from what I read the OP is pretty extreme. Just eat slightly less at each meal and try to exercise a bit more than you currently are and avoid the snacks and you're guaranteed to lose weight. Not like a pound a day or whatever the hell the OP said, but it'll work
On June 05 2011 09:24 Enderbantoo wrote: he was saying 1300 is the minimum while being able to still live without having big problems, not 1300 to be healthy, he isnt trying to be healthy, he's trying to lose weight
The point to losing weight is to look better, feel better, and be healthier. None of those can be achieved by starving yourself. To those seriously looking into losing weight, find a good Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) to find a BMR estimate, BMR is the amount of calories one burns during the day based on age, height, weight, and activity level. Then subtract 500-700 calories from the BMR and log your results week after week and continue tweaking to achieve better results while eating clean non-processed foods, lean meats, and stick to a good ratio of carbs/protein/fats. Usually 40% 30% 20%.
As for no eating 4 hours before you sleep: If you're building muscle, it might help to eat a bit of oatmeal and milk so that you lose as little muscle as possible.
The other way that HELPS a lot is to build up enough muscle so that normal burn is good enough for you to maintain a decent diet. Personally, 1300 calories a day might be meh. But 4k calories is definitely too much that you should reduce.
On June 05 2011 14:07 ScythedBlade wrote: As for no eating 4 hours before you sleep: If you're building muscle, it might help to eat a bit of oatmeal and milk so that you lose as little muscle as possible.
The other way that HELPS a lot is to build up enough muscle so that normal burn is good enough for you to maintain a decent diet. Personally, 1300 calories a day might be meh. But 4k calories is definitely too much that you should reduce.
Cottage cheese 20 mins before bed is one of the best things to eat when trying to bulk.
On June 05 2011 14:07 ScythedBlade wrote: As for no eating 4 hours before you sleep: If you're building muscle, it might help to eat a bit of oatmeal and milk so that you lose as little muscle as possible.
The other way that HELPS a lot is to build up enough muscle so that normal burn is good enough for you to maintain a decent diet. Personally, 1300 calories a day might be meh. But 4k calories is definitely too much that you should reduce.
What makes you think that muscle begins to atropy over night...?
On June 05 2011 14:07 ScythedBlade wrote: As for no eating 4 hours before you sleep: If you're building muscle, it might help to eat a bit of oatmeal and milk so that you lose as little muscle as possible.
The other way that HELPS a lot is to build up enough muscle so that normal burn is good enough for you to maintain a decent diet. Personally, 1300 calories a day might be meh. But 4k calories is definitely too much that you should reduce.
that broscience is so outdated and wrong it hurts to read it.
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Uh, it's far from simple. I'd say it's about a billion times harder than losing weight.
No
On June 03 2011 18:36 Nightfly wrote: Losing weight is easy. Gaining weight is Hard.
No
Some really well-crafted arguments there.
If you need to gain weight, you can't be lazy. You have to cook food, you have to go to the gym, etc. If you need to lose weight, you can be lazy as hell. That's the difference.
Your line of argumentation suggests that any well-crafted argument on you would probably be wasted. But anyway: Going to the gym doesn't make you gain weight... expanding more calories than normal by working out makes you gain weight? Do you believe muscles come from thin air? Eating is what makes you gain weight. Being lazy as hell makes you lose weight? That's unfortunately not working for me, when I didn't work out for 5 months last year I unfortunately gained 10kg. Maybe I wasn't lazy enough. You actually make it sound like you consider eating as being hard work, which would of course explain your line of thought.
On a less-agressive note: The debate between which is harder (gaining or losing) is pretty much an argument between people who have problems to control their intake and people who just eat when somebody reminds them too. Yes, people are actually different.
Well eating does gain you weight but, I see where the guy is coming from, Going to the gym gives you muscles, muscles are heavier than fat. so going to the gym gains you weight isn't completely incorrect
First, I apologize for coming off as a dick, the internet does this to us sometimes.
To the point: Of course I understand what he means. But you cannot build any muscle if you don't eat, you could train 24/7 every day. The body needs energy to build those muscles, and if you don't eat and are at some single-digit bodyfat-percentage, where should this energy come from?
As a bigger guy myself, I often here "you just have to eat less", and that can be extremely annoying, but it is also entirely true. So on the opposite end of the spectrum to all those thin nerds out there: If you want to gain weight, you have to eat more, probably a lot more. You can only blame your metabolism for so long (again: exactly the same as for fat people).
When did I say you only have to go to the gym to gain weight? Please quote me on that.
Or go ahead and build strawmen to fight against....
I'm with you man, gaining weight THE RIGHT WAY is way harder than losing weight. I mean, take a walk, eat less carbs, bam you lose weight.
gaining weight the right way? what does that even mean?
Quick question pertaining to this subject. Would I lose more weight if I were to walk on the treadmill for 2 hours instead of 1 hour? Or would walking that extra hour not be beneficial?
Main thing I'd like to point out to anyone who is reading this, is crashing your intake of calories and trying jump into a tough exercise routine immediately from living a sedentary life is not a good thing. Do the research and be smart about the changes you make.
Think of it like this. You have a car that has been sitting in the field for 5 years. Oddly enough it started up when you put the ignition on. You try to take it to the track, slam the pedal to the floor, and take off. The car engine (because it hasn't been in use for a long time) is not in a condition for this sort of stress and you blow a cylinder.
Same thing happens with your body. You don't wake up after being sedentary for 3 years and decide to go run 5 miles and cut your calorie intake by 75%. You WILL hurt yourself.
Do the research and be smart about your lifestyle change.
(note: the older you are, the more apt for you to be injured. A 16-19 year old has less risk of seriously injuring themselves, but the risk is still there. If you are trying to change your lifestyle, then go ahead and do it, but be smart about it.)
On June 10 2011 14:33 MaRiNe23 wrote: Quick question pertaining to this subject. Would I lose more weight if I were to walk on the treadmill for 2 hours instead of 1 hour? Or would walking that extra hour not be beneficial?
From a mechanics point of view, you obviously burn more calories over a 2 hour period rather than a 1 hour period. (If it takes 50 calories to walk for 10 min, then it takes 100 calories to walk 20min).
From an actual point of view exercise boils down to 3 things. Frequency, Time, and Intensity.
Frequency: How often your exercise Time: How long you exercise. Intensity: How hard you exercise.
In an aerobic exercise (such as walking)
Frequency and Time are simple. You walk every day for 1 hour a day = 7 hours a week. (say 200 calories per hour = 1400 calories a week)
Intensity is different. walking for 1 hour at 80% of your MHR (maximum heart rate) does not give the same calorie burn as walking for 1 hour at 95% of your MHR.
So if you burn 200 calories at 80%, you may burn 300 calories at 90% (just throwing random numbers out there, don't quote this).
To answer your question: 1 hour of walking vs 2 hours of walking depends on the intensity level you keep during your walk. 1 hour of walking at high intensity can actually burn more calories than walking 2 hours at low intensity.
However, if you walk for 2 hours vs 1 hour and keep up the same level of intensity then yes, you burn more calories over the course of 2 hours. But remember, intensity does not mean how hard it is to do, or how tired you feel. It is measured by your heart rate. (do a google search I'm sure you'll find a lot about it.)
On June 11 2011 22:12 Smoot wrote: Main thing I'd like to point out to anyone who is reading this, is crashing your intake of calories and trying jump into a tough exercise routine immediately from living a sedentary life is not a good thing. Do the research and be smart about the changes you make.
Think of it like this. You have a car that has been sitting in the field for 5 years. Oddly enough it started up when you put the ignition on. You try to take it to the track, slam the pedal to the floor, and take off. The car engine (because it hasn't been in use for a long time) is not in a condition for this sort of stress and you blow a cylinder.
Same thing happens with your body. You don't wake up after being sedentary for 3 years and decide to go run 5 miles and cut your calorie intake by 75%. You WILL hurt yourself.
Do the research and be smart about your lifestyle change.
(note: the older you are, the more apt for you to be injured. A 16-19 year old has less risk of seriously injuring themselves, but the risk is still there. If you are trying to change your lifestyle, then go ahead and do it, but be smart about it.)
Good post in a good thread. Thanks to the OP for suggesting protein powder, I had never really considered it before and now eat it twice a day. It helps with the calorie management.
I went from 150 lbs to 170 lbs in 3 months and realized ffffuuuu I'm fat as fuck. I started running. Ran 1-1.5 miles per day the first few days and felt pretty good. So then I pushed myself to 5.5 miles per day, after 3 days my knees were in excruciating pain and I could barely walk. After 2 weeks of recovery I started walking 8 miles per day, which felt good. After 3 weeks of walking 8 miles per day, bumped it up to 10 miles per day and then started replacing some of the walking with running.
Increasing the load gradually is definitely better. With a routine of walking/running and weightlifting I'm steadily dropping about a pound per week, shrinking my fat belly, and gaining big muscles.
This was a very inspiring guide to read. For me, the "freshman fifteen" was a joke--I gained thirty-five pounds and went straight from being underweight to overweight. At first, it was mostly muscle since I kept a decently regular schedule of going to the gym, but after first semester finals and Christmas were through I stopped being so [pro]active. Now it's summertime, and I'm trying to get back into a good schedule that I'll be able to carry into next year.
Since I have no license, car, or weights (no gym within decent walking distance), I've just been doing pushups and abdominal exercises regimentally and biking for cardio. Definitely need to get out and buy protein powder--I was lacking that last year.
After reading this guide I decided to go to the gym more often and, lo and behold, I actually started a diet as well. For the longest time, it has been almost impossible for me to deny myself food, I figured if I'm being good and going to the gym 2-3 times a week I should get to eat whatever I wanted. But that just made me build alot of muscle underneath the fat, I'm still overweight, and after reading this guide I decided to go for broke and do the whole she-bang.
I don't do protein powders because I can't afford them and I don't know which ones are any good so instead I took a tip from a personal trainer I had a while back and started eating Kvarg (Quark in english I think) in between meals mixed with some Fun Light (pretty much a 0 calorie cool aid thing) and it's been working out pretty well. For lunch it's omelett mixed with fish and for dinner it's usually chicken. And of course, while doing this diet I am also working out every day, mostly running as that is supposed to burn the most fat.
Already, about a week and a half into this, I'm seeing results, which is really inspiring.
On June 05 2011 14:07 ScythedBlade wrote: As for no eating 4 hours before you sleep: If you're building muscle, it might help to eat a bit of oatmeal and milk so that you lose as little muscle as possible.
The other way that HELPS a lot is to build up enough muscle so that normal burn is good enough for you to maintain a decent diet. Personally, 1300 calories a day might be meh. But 4k calories is definitely too much that you should reduce.
that broscience is so outdated and wrong it hurts to read it.
I read a couple of his articles, and his scoffing at contemporary dietrary science, calling people who follow it sheep, etc, and the one question I kept coming back to was why I should trust him rather than anyone else. Just because he can cite sources of his choosing and looks good doesn't make him right, plenty of people cite their own sources and look just as good as he does.
I started P90 recently. I am at my day7 tommorow. That routine made me realize how much out of shape i was despite the fact that i was weightlifting at home on a regular basis. Basicly for those that don't know it's a program provided by beachbody.com that divide your weeks in program exercices where you workout 6 days on 7.
Sculpt 1-2 on Mo,We,Fr: Dumbbells, pushups, quads, stretching. That lasts a whole 30 minute. I underestimated that program, how wrong i was ;-) - I had to change weight and do my best to keep up - very intense as there is only 30 sec break during whole exerice
Sweat 1-2/Abdo100Burner on Tu, Th, Sa (Yoga power, cardio, basic full contact: kick, punches, knees and for finishing 10 different sets of abdos 10 reps each. That lasts 40 minutes.
This goes on and on untill your rest day that happens on Sunday. I'm also on a strict diet (1300-1500 kcal a day - 2.5 liter water).
I was wondering to whomever reading/contributing to this thread has got experience with anything related to beachbody.com and the P90 program!?
I'm good for it and hope to post awesome results with before/after picture in 90 days!
PS: If anyone wanna look for some p90 results, make a quick reseach on youtube, there are some very IMPRESSIVE results!
Hey what do you guys think of this diet? It's what I'm doing right now, and I feel constantly hungry, doesn't mean I stay hungry but I do eat often in small portions like you guys are suggesting.
so i wake up
8:00 I eat 2 eggs 10 or 10:30 I get hungry and eat a cup of plain yogurt 12 or 1 I have skinless chicken breast and lettuce 3 I eat more yogurt 6 I eat more chicken and lettuce 7 - 8 I work out a little, 30 of pushups, curls, and 30 minutes of running 9 I'm tired and hungry as hell
I play games til 12 to forget about the hunger and yell at people whenever they mention food lol. I've slipped two times so far and allowed myself to eat a bowl of rice a can of vienna sausage =_=.
any tips or comments on this? i feel like I'm doing this wrong, and jesus christ the hunger I feel at night is unbearable, especially a day after I screw up the diet. But good news is that I FEEL slimmer, and not as congested. My skin is great too I didn't realize how good salad was for your skin.
On June 28 2011 07:33 Snuggles wrote: Hey what do you guys think of this diet? It's what I'm doing right now, and I feel constantly hungry, doesn't mean I stay hungry but I do eat often in small portions like you guys are suggesting.
so i wake up
8:00 I eat 2 eggs 10 or 10:30 I get hungry and eat a cup of plain yogurt 12 or 1 I have skinless chicken breast and lettuce 3 I eat more yogurt 6 I eat more chicken and lettuce 7 - 8 I work out a little, 30 of pushups, curls, and 30 minutes of running 9 I'm tired and hungry as hell
I play games til 12 to forget about the hunger and yell at people whenever they mention food lol. I've slipped two times so far and allowed myself to eat a bowl of rice a can of vienna sausage =_=.
any tips or comments on this? i feel like I'm doing this wrong, and jesus christ the hunger I feel at night is unbearable, especially a day after I screw up the diet. But good news is that I FEEL slimmer, and not as congested. My skin is great too I didn't realize how good salad was for your skin.
How many calories is that?
I'd advice against "diets" though. Go to a site with a calorie calculator, calculate what how many calories you need per day and eat 500kcal less.
You cannot be constantly hungry. That's your body going into starvation mode in which it doesn't burn calories anymore and slows down regeneration.
Raw almonds is my suggestion. A handful of them is a healthy snack that will make you FEEL full and provide a lot of well documented benefits although they do have highish fat content(just google and you'll see). That said, if weight loss is your goal the 9-bed area should probably remain empty - you'll get used to it. Playing games to take your mind off it is a good idea though.
I'm not too sure exactly how many calories it is, but 900 - 1000 calories would be a very safe bet though it could be a little less since the chicken salad meals are plain and in light portions.
I mean I get hungry right as the time for me to eat again come along. So after eating two eggs I will start feeling hungry right as it is 9:55 AM or so right before my next meal time. Is that the right way of going about it or no?
I just finished eating my chicken salad so I feel good now but i know after i'm done working out I'll be soooo hungry ;_;. It's not as bad as when I first started the diet 3 weeks ago (I would wake up at 6 in the morning to the sound of my stomach growling lol) but I really hope the feeling of nagging hunger will go away for good.
Weight loss is my goal I'm only slightly chubby so I just need to lose 10lbs so do you guys think I should substitute the plain yogurt for anything special like protein stuff?
Honestly I think the worst thing you can do for someone who is trying to get in shape, is to tell them to eat less. Sure they will lose weight, but they will also feel like shit. Start with weight training & light cardio, try to eat more healthy but not necessarily less calories right away. If you are out of shape you want to be putting on muscle, period. More muscle burns more calories passively, will make you feel better & have more energy and strength for more training. Cutting calories from your diet will make you feel tired & dissatisfied, making it even more difficult to muster up said motivation. I would focus on healthy meals that make you feel full, ensuring that you get plenty of protein, but not necessarily less calories until you start getting some muscle. Then as time goes on you will see an increase in energy which allows you to stay motivated. The increase in metabolism & energy consumption from weight training is an extremely effective tool for burning off fat. Once you have a good muscle base, you can start to work more cardio into your routine, circuit training is great for a good balanced strength/cardio workout. I would only really "diet" or "cut calories" once I had all of the muscle I wanted.
TL;DR: Don't eat less calories, eat more protein & gain muscle via weight training. Do some cardio as well, it will help increase your metabolism. Don't worry about losing fat via diet until you've got all of the muscle you want. The increased metabolism & muscle mass will be invaluable for staying motivated and losing weight in the long run.
On June 28 2011 08:39 Wr3k wrote: Honestly I think the worst thing you can do for someone who is trying to get in shape, is to tell them to eat less. Start with weight training & light cardio, try to eat more healthy but not necessarily less calories right away. If you are out of shape you want to be putting on muscle, period. More muscle burns more calories passively, will make you feel better & have more energy and strength for more training. Cutting calories from your diet will make you feel tired & dissatisfied, making it even more difficult to muster up said motivation. I would focus on healthy meals that make you feel full, ensuring that you get plenty of protein, but not necessarily less calories until you start getting some muscle. Then as time goes on you will see an increase in energy which allows you to stay motivated. The increase in metabolism & energy consumption from weight training is an extremely effective tool for burning off fat. Once you have a good muscle base, you can start to work more cardio into your routine, circuit training is great for a good balanced strength/cardio workout. I would only really "diet" or "cut calories" once I had all of the muscle I wanted.
TL;DR: Don't eat less calories, eat more protein & gain muscle via weight training. Do some cardio as well, it will help increase your metabolism. Don't worry about losing fat via diet until you've got all of the muscle you want. The increased metabolism & muscle mass will be invaluable for staying motivated and losing weight in the long run.
Hey Wr3k, still remember your stream from beta ^^
Your advice is good, I'd give the same one. Just make sure you don't overcompensate for your increased metabolism by just eating more and more, rather stay about the same.
I fucked up my back while skating a while ago (it's fixed now) but I completely stopped exercising during this entire time, (6 weeks ish) and now I'm not feeling motivated at all to start exercising. Taking up smoking (I know, bad) has really fucked my lungs as well, I get out of breath doing like 70 press ups, which makes me not want to do any (I haven't tried any other forms of exercise since). Should I do cardio first to get my lungs back before going back to strength training? I've got 2 weeks of healthy eating and stuff before I go back to uni and start messing myself up again.
On June 28 2011 07:33 Snuggles wrote: Hey what do you guys think of this diet? It's what I'm doing right now, and I feel constantly hungry, doesn't mean I stay hungry but I do eat often in small portions like you guys are suggesting.
so i wake up
8:00 I eat 2 eggs 10 or 10:30 I get hungry and eat a cup of plain yogurt 12 or 1 I have skinless chicken breast and lettuce 3 I eat more yogurt 6 I eat more chicken and lettuce 7 - 8 I work out a little, 30 of pushups, curls, and 30 minutes of running 9 I'm tired and hungry as hell
I play games til 12 to forget about the hunger and yell at people whenever they mention food lol. I've slipped two times so far and allowed myself to eat a bowl of rice a can of vienna sausage =_=.
any tips or comments on this? i feel like I'm doing this wrong, and jesus christ the hunger I feel at night is unbearable, especially a day after I screw up the diet. But good news is that I FEEL slimmer, and not as congested. My skin is great too I didn't realize how good salad was for your skin.
No reason to eat often and in small portions if you don't want to, theres no benefit to say 6 meals a day vs 3. That hardly looks like any calories at all, i would at least double it. If you're feeling hungry then get more fats and proteins in your diet (beef, whole eggs, walnuts, etc)
On June 12 2011 05:52 CaM27 wrote: I started P90 recently. I am at my day7 tommorow. That routine made me realize how much out of shape i was despite the fact that i was weightlifting at home on a regular basis. Basicly for those that don't know it's a program provided by beachbody.com that divide your weeks in program exercices where you workout 6 days on 7.
Sculpt 1-2 on Mo,We,Fr: Dumbbells, pushups, quads, stretching. That lasts a whole 30 minute. I underestimated that program, how wrong i was ;-) - I had to change weight and do my best to keep up - very intense as there is only 30 sec break during whole exerice
Sweat 1-2/Abdo100Burner on Tu, Th, Sa (Yoga power, cardio, basic full contact: kick, punches, knees and for finishing 10 different sets of abdos 10 reps each. That lasts 40 minutes.
This goes on and on untill your rest day that happens on Sunday. I'm also on a strict diet (1300-1500 kcal a day - 2.5 liter water).
I was wondering to whomever reading/contributing to this thread has got experience with anything related to beachbody.com and the P90 program!?
I'm good for it and hope to post awesome results with before/after picture in 90 days!
PS: If anyone wanna look for some p90 results, make a quick reseach on youtube, there are some very IMPRESSIVE results!
1300-1500 calories is about maintenance for a sedentary 100 pound girl. If you're a male doing vigorous exercise 6 days a week that is WAAAAAY too low. P90x is alright for conditioning, but not a very efficient program in many senses. It's main benefit is that it gets people on a routine of working out and eating healthier which will give almost anyone impressive, but probably not optimal, results. You would see better results with heavy compound weight training (squats, deadlifts, etc) just 3 times a week for ~1 hour in terms of changing your body composition. If you enjoy p90x and you're seeing the results you want then go for it.
On June 05 2011 14:07 ScythedBlade wrote: As for no eating 4 hours before you sleep: If you're building muscle, it might help to eat a bit of oatmeal and milk so that you lose as little muscle as possible.
The other way that HELPS a lot is to build up enough muscle so that normal burn is good enough for you to maintain a decent diet. Personally, 1300 calories a day might be meh. But 4k calories is definitely too much that you should reduce.
that broscience is so outdated and wrong it hurts to read it.
I read a couple of his articles, and his scoffing at contemporary dietrary science, calling people who follow it sheep, etc, and the one question I kept coming back to was why I should trust him rather than anyone else. Just because he can cite sources of his choosing and looks good doesn't make him right, plenty of people cite their own sources and look just as good as he does.
Ask him yourself, shoot him a PM, he's an avid starcraft player and a member of this site.
On June 28 2011 08:39 Wr3k wrote: Honestly I think the worst thing you can do for someone who is trying to get in shape, is to tell them to eat less. Start with weight training & light cardio, try to eat more healthy but not necessarily less calories right away. If you are out of shape you want to be putting on muscle, period. More muscle burns more calories passively, will make you feel better & have more energy and strength for more training. Cutting calories from your diet will make you feel tired & dissatisfied, making it even more difficult to muster up said motivation. I would focus on healthy meals that make you feel full, ensuring that you get plenty of protein, but not necessarily less calories until you start getting some muscle. Then as time goes on you will see an increase in energy which allows you to stay motivated. The increase in metabolism & energy consumption from weight training is an extremely effective tool for burning off fat. Once you have a good muscle base, you can start to work more cardio into your routine, circuit training is great for a good balanced strength/cardio workout. I would only really "diet" or "cut calories" once I had all of the muscle I wanted.
TL;DR: Don't eat less calories, eat more protein & gain muscle via weight training. Do some cardio as well, it will help increase your metabolism. Don't worry about losing fat via diet until you've got all of the muscle you want. The increased metabolism & muscle mass will be invaluable for staying motivated and losing weight in the long run.
Hey Wr3k, still remember your stream from beta ^^
Your advice is good, I'd give the same one. Just make sure you don't overcompensate for your increased metabolism by just eating more and more, rather stay about the same.
Yeah I agree, its easy to overeat after training & you definitely want to watch that, which is why I like to emphasize lots of protein. You will feel more full. I just can't emphasize enough that if you are cutting calories like mad you will feel like shit, making it increasingly difficult to stay motivated & improve your fitness. Sure you will lose weight, but being healthy is a lifestyle, not an 8 week plan. If your goal is to drop fat as fast as possible while feeling like a wreck, then yeah, eat less. If your goal is to feel good, look good, and be physically fit. Cutting calories is not the right way to go about it imo.
That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
On June 28 2011 09:09 n3gative wrote: honestly the op's heart is in the right place but his advice is absolutely terrible and should not be followed or even considered
God now I am really confused. I came up with my little diet based off what the OP was saying... Maybe I should just comb through all 14 pages of this thread to get the right facts =_=
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Just avoid processed foods and eat meat + veggies + fruits (dairy optional) until you feel ~75% full at each meal. At the end of the day go to www.fitday.com and check out your calorie #s and compare it to your BMR (basal metabolic rate, google it for a calculator).
Eating clean and getting on a compound weight training program (read: starting strength program) immediately will yield infinitely better results than starving yourself till you lose 10 pounds and then attempting to add muscle.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Dunno if this is the right place but i've seen some people swear that chipotle(burrito bowl) is a good healthy alternative to fast food when your on a diet.
On June 28 2011 09:09 n3gative wrote: honestly the op's heart is in the right place but his advice is absolutely terrible and should not be followed or even considered
God now I am really confused. I came up with my little diet based off what the OP was saying... Maybe I should just comb through all 14 pages of this thread to get the right facts =_=
I'm certainly no fitness expert, but I did something very similar to what you described above for about a month before realizing that it wasn't good for me. So I have a few pieces of advice.
First, you're not going to "look" in shape unless you are, so you might as well start working to build muscle now. Second, there are a lot of people in this thread advising against following the OP's example. Those people (and myself) would recommend asking the people and keeping up with this thread.
So, it looks to me like you're not eating enough calories, from what I read of your diet it looks like you're only taking in 600-900 calories a day. That's not enough. IMO, you should shift your focus from eating as little as possible, to eating reasonable portions of healthy food when you're hungry. You should undercut your BMR only slightly*. Finally, if I were you, I'd get some dumbbells or go to the gym and try to work on more than just cardio.
*This I'm really not sure of. General advice says healthy weight loss is .5 to 1 lb/week. More is safe if you're considerably overweight. But considering you're exercising every day with at least .5 hr cardio, I can't really say for sure how much you should undercut. Depends on the intensity of the cardio and what other things you do in addition.
On June 28 2011 09:20 NokCha wrote: Dunno if this is the right place but i've seen some people swear that chipotle(burrito bowl) is a good healthy alternative to fast food when your on a diet.
On June 28 2011 09:13 PetitCrabe wrote: What happens when you are like me? You can't GAIN weight..........
You're either a) eating shitty food or more likely b) not eating enough or even more likely c) both. If i can put on weight being 6'1 at a lean 210 lbs doing labor + working out/rugby everyday then i guarentee you its possible.
On June 28 2011 09:20 NokCha wrote: Dunno if this is the right place but i've seen some people swear that chipotle(burrito bowl) is a good healthy alternative to fast food when your on a diet.
Can anyone confirm this?
I see nothing wrong with meat + rice + veggies. In general its much cleaner food than most fast food. And define "on a diet"
Caloric defict + light/moderate weight training = massive weight loss. Congrats on being intelligent enough to take the reigns and figure this sh*t out for yourself. Most people are too ridiculous to figure this stuff out on their own.. Quite sad really
To anyone who is trying to add mass after they've cut the fat.. Eat more! Yeah, it's hard to hear that after you've been eating at or below maintenance for so long.. But if you're having any trouble at all putting on weight it's because you're not eating enough. This is always true, 100% of the time. If you think I'm wrong - you're wrong. Eat more. Stop complaining that you can't gain muscle mass, and stuff your face. I guarantee it will work.
Better yet, start lifting hard and increasing your calories while you're losing weight. You'll cut down to a built core instead of looking like a wet cat.
Eat less and healthier than you are, and gradually lower your calorie intake.
And more importantly, take pictures of your progress (you wouldn't believe how much of an inspiration it is when looking at your former healthier self).
Maybe that's a bit too general lol.
To be more specific, the one tip I have for you guys is to disregard cardio. Cardio is short-term compared to the results you get from doing high intensity interval training (HIIT) or strength training (high volume, low reps). So if your schedule is limited, make sure prioritize either one of these workouts.
The reason for these types of workouts is that your metabolism starts to work even after you workout. You ever wondered why you become hungry throughout the day after weight lifting or doing stuff like sprints?
However, if you can manage time to add cardio in your routine, go ahead. Cardio is important for your health, but HIIT or strength training will result in dramatic changes.
Above all, if you want to lose weight, simply cut down your calorie intake gradually and don't kill yourself. DON'T OVERDO IT. Stay hungry for the next day.
gl hf
oh yeah..don't make living a healthy lifestyle harder than you think.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
On June 28 2011 07:33 Snuggles wrote: Hey what do you guys think of this diet? It's what I'm doing right now, and I feel constantly hungry, doesn't mean I stay hungry but I do eat often in small portions like you guys are suggesting.
so i wake up
8:00 I eat 2 eggs 10 or 10:30 I get hungry and eat a cup of plain yogurt 12 or 1 I have skinless chicken breast and lettuce 3 I eat more yogurt 6 I eat more chicken and lettuce 7 - 8 I work out a little, 30 of pushups, curls, and 30 minutes of running 9 I'm tired and hungry as hell
I play games til 12 to forget about the hunger and yell at people whenever they mention food lol. I've slipped two times so far and allowed myself to eat a bowl of rice a can of vienna sausage =_=.
any tips or comments on this? i feel like I'm doing this wrong, and jesus christ the hunger I feel at night is unbearable, especially a day after I screw up the diet. But good news is that I FEEL slimmer, and not as congested. My skin is great too I didn't realize how good salad was for your skin.
Oh and one more piece of advice I'd like to add since you don't specify what you drink. You should replace everything you currently drink with water if you haven't already. Based on your diet above, some orange or apple juice would be okay since you apparently don't eat fruit, but honestly eating actual fruit is better since you need more calories anyway.
So, to summarize, 1. Drink water 2. Eat reasonable portions of healthy food when you're hungry (fruits, vegetables, protien) 3. Work at building muscle.
If anyone is actually interested in improving their bodies or changing their lifestyle to something superior.. It's not hard (dead serious. It. Is. Not. Hard.) It's actually fun. And it's a great source of pride.
TL Health and Fitness thread has a bunch of gamers like you who took the reigns. Join 'em.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
Open up with some Whey proteins, with water preferably but if you cannot drink that use milk, Try to mix up with some fruits rice, vegetables. also try to do your workout earlier on the day and not before sleeping, also try to take a protein shake after your workout or a banana, like 3ish hours before you sleep try to eat some cottage cheese as your last meal, also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats , good fats are essential.
Yup, after reading all your advice I ate another cup of yogurt and 3 fat slices of pineapple and man do I feel good. It's one thing to eat at night when you're trying to lose weight, I felt guilty before but now that I have been enlightened this is freaking awesome.
I'm gonna run to the GNC or some supermarket and look for some protein packed food omg I'm so excited. And what's the deal with cottage cheese? What does it do?
On June 28 2011 09:20 NokCha wrote: Dunno if this is the right place but i've seen some people swear that chipotle(burrito bowl) is a good healthy alternative to fast food when your on a diet.
Can anyone confirm this?
Whats in it? im assuming its not healthy.
Rice, lettuce, steak or chicken, beans, tomato salsa, corn salsa, and a little bit of sour cream :o
On June 28 2011 09:13 PetitCrabe wrote: What happens when you are like me? You can't GAIN weight..........
You're either a) eating shitty food or more likely b) not eating enough or even more likely c) both. If i can put on weight being 6'1 at a lean 210 lbs doing labor + working out/rugby everyday then i guarentee you its possible.
On June 28 2011 09:20 NokCha wrote: Dunno if this is the right place but i've seen some people swear that chipotle(burrito bowl) is a good healthy alternative to fast food when your on a diet.
Can anyone confirm this?
I see nothing wrong with meat + rice + veggies. In general its much cleaner food than most fast food. And define "on a diet"
Just trying to lose weight. Currently trying to eat around 1500 calories a day.
I would avoid the regimen of the OP. Its sad how this stuff is still so mainstream. Globo gyms and the USDA have absolutely brainwashed people. Im not going to write up a huge post on everything but just give you some places to go and things to consider.
As far as training goes, stay functional. Get rid of your bicep curls and leg extension etc... Its crap. Check out crossfit. Im not saying its the way to go but for people who need something specific it helps. Its a combination of some of the best types of training out there. Olympic lifting, gymnastics, kettlebell training, etc.. Yes, everyone can do it. Remember you can scale anything to your ability. Again, Im not saying you have to but just go to the website and atleast look around. Theres tons of free information there about functional training in general. Squats cure cancer!!!
As far as diet goes. Paleo is the way to go. Diet is the most importan aspect. It will make all your dreams come true. Im not joking. Meat, fruit, vegies, nuts and seeds. Get rid of your whole grains, its killing america. Its the reason we have all the diseases we have today. Also get rid of your supplements. Fish oil and food is all you need. Check out Robb Wolfs website for info. He does weekly podcasts etc. It will change your world...I promise!
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats....
Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo.
On June 28 2011 09:57 Snuggles wrote: Yup, after reading all your advice I ate another cup of yogurt and 3 fat slices of pineapple and man do I feel good. It's one thing to eat at night when you're trying to lose weight, I felt guilty before but now that I have been enlightened this is freaking awesome.
I'm gonna run to the GNC or some supermarket and look for some protein packed food omg I'm so excited. And what's the deal with cottage cheese? What does it do?
Just adjust your schedule a bit, dont do your workout just before you will go to sleep because all it will do is eat up your muscles cause the body has no energy source after you have worked out. and cottage cheese is good to eat as a last meal cause it has alot of "slow" proteins, that slowely used by your body, which is really good at night. in the morning you need some fast proteins/carbs so get a whey protein shake for that, its by far the best thing to eat as your first meal.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats....
Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo.
Yeah okay thats fine, 40/40/20 is pretty much the standard anyways.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats....
Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo.
Yeah okay thats fine, 40/40/20 is pretty much the standard anyways.
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
There’s an inherent obstacle in trying to become healthy, in that in order to become healthy, you need to have good motivation, but in order to have motivation, you need to be healthy.
hate to nit-pick, but i really don't agree with this part. maybe its the incorrect usage of "catch-22" that makes me hypercritical of the example. you don't need motivation to become healthy. healthy is the default; you need to be willing to stop doing unhealthy things to be healthy. and you don't need to be healthy to get motivated. people get motivated by the fear of death. it isn't a healthy person who gets bad cholesterol results, and then gets motivated to lower it.
i think you're just talking about overcoming laziness. and your laziness makes you believe you're stuck in some false paradox about being helpless to your lack of motivation to become healthy which is perpetuated by your unhealthiness.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats....
Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo.
Yeah okay thats fine, 40/40/20 is pretty much the standard anyways.
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
Keto is great, but for people lacking the motivation it might be a bit hard i guess.
On June 28 2011 09:04 Snuggles wrote: That's some good comforting advice, but it sounds like easy way out to me. So the diet I've been on right now isn't the right way to go about with things?
From what I'm reading are you saying that I should just eat tons of healthy food so that all I'm doing is substituting the food I had eaten before with just protein and veggies??
I'm just so confused now sorry =( The way I'm eating right now is really hard to stick to but I feel like the results will speak for themselves when I get to my goal of losing 10lbs. I was planning from that point on i would eat more and start trying to build some muscles after I "look" like I'm in shape.
Sorry I didn't read what exactly you are doing right now, but in this post it sounded like you just eat much less. The problem with that is, that your body adapts to low calory intake. The more drastic the lack of food is, the more the body will "eat" your muscle to solve two problems at once: He can save the precious fat reserves for real emergency, and he can reduce your energy consumption making you last longer through the "famine", because your muscles use up energy all the time, even while resting.
That's the cause of the problem many people have: You lose weight and then you eat normal again, but you lost so much muscle (and your body reduces your metabolism overall) that the food intake that once kept you at a steady-state now let's you shoot up in weight even beyond where you were, just with even less muscle than before.
I'd look into the mirror more then on my scale. 10lbs means nothing per se.
Wow, alright that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving your input. If I use my Starcraft brain I can pinpoint the cause of the 10lb gain over the year is due to all the unhealthy eating I was doing. Each meal I had was chock full of unnecessary carbs (rice) and lotsa of oil and meat with not too many veggies except for some occasions. But the killer must be the midnight snacking... man...
So rather starving myself miserably a proper diet would look like normal except healthy right?
Here's what I'm thinking now.
8:00 AM two eggs
10:00 Yogurt and fruits? Or shop around for a protein supplement.
12:00 Chicken salad but I guess with more chicken cause that's the part of the meal that fills you up nicely
3:00 Another snack, yogurt is my favorite but I guess I'll have to look up another alternative
6:00 Chicken Salad with more chicken
8:00 PM after working out is it ok to have another snack?
9 PM - Bed no more food
I'm really confident that if I just throw in another breast I'll be completely content. I think my "normal" diet would come out to just around 2000 calories and I would feel like crap (I feel fat) at the end of the day, with this diet I'm guessing 1500. Sounds perfect to me, almost too easy to be true. But I can understand how some people can have trouble when they would normally eat an exorbitant amount of food. I've only gained these 10lbs over this year when I started to eat a meal at like midnight or in the early hours.
also just check the values of what you eat and try to be 45/40/15 as in Protein/Carbs/Fats....
Absolutely no need to go beyond 40% on proteins. Effective intake is about 30-35% (40 to be sure) everything beyond 40% goes as fuel, your metabolism will burn it away. 40/40/20 or 35/45/20 is ideal imo.
Yeah okay thats fine, 40/40/20 is pretty much the standard anyways.
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
Keto is great, but for people lacking the motivation it might be a bit hard i guess.
Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
On June 28 2011 09:57 Snuggles wrote: Yup, after reading all your advice I ate another cup of yogurt and 3 fat slices of pineapple and man do I feel good. It's one thing to eat at night when you're trying to lose weight, I felt guilty before but now that I have been enlightened this is freaking awesome.
I'm gonna run to the GNC or some supermarket and look for some protein packed food omg I'm so excited. And what's the deal with cottage cheese? What does it do?
Just adjust your schedule a bit, dont do your workout just before you will go to sleep because all it will do is eat up your muscles cause the body has no energy source after you have worked out. and cottage cheese is good to eat as a last meal cause it has alot of "slow" proteins, that slowely used by your body, which is really good at night. in the morning you need some fast proteins/carbs so get a whey protein shake for that, its by far the best thing to eat as your first meal.
Hmm well I get home late so that's going to be tough. But I think if I swap at half my workout time to early in the morning it should be fine unless working out too early is bad. Thanks again for all the advice, this is the first time I haven't run into one of those "the inconvenient truth" type of scenarios in a long time so its really refreshing to have some good news.
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Keto means you go very low in carbs, your body will go into a state where it cannot burn its main energy source which are carbs and will start burning fat instead basicly.
I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote: I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
--
Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
i have nothing to add. great guide but i'd like to say that i'm asian and i love how i don't have to work out or run and can eat whatever i want and still be thin =D. lol keep up the good work though =p
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Eating a lot of meat. And drinking a lot of milk.
I dont find paleo to be that hard to stick with (as long as youre not trying to eat 5k cal a day like i am T_T). Once i stopped eating grains/most sugars for about a week i lost most of my desire to eat them.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote: TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Eating a lot of meat. And drinking a lot of milk.
I dont find paleo to be that hard to stick with (as long as youre not trying to eat 5k cal a day like i am T_T). Once i stopped eating grains/most sugars for about a week i lost most of my desire to eat them.
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Then you trigger a starvation response and your body reduces caloric expenditure until you are net even.
If your diet is based on carbohydrates you may still put on weight. Read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes...lots of citations on impoverished populations doing backbreaking labor getting less than 1500 calories a day becoming wretchedly obese.
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Then you trigger a starvation response and your body reduces caloric expenditure until you are net even.
If your diet is based on carbohydrates you may still put on weight. Read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes...lots of citations on impoverished populations doing backbreaking labor getting less than 1500 calories a day becoming wretchedly obese.
I've been curious. Should I read that first, or "Good Calories, Bad Calories", or does it matter?
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Your body needs very few carbohydrates to function - those that it needs it can generate from breaking down protein. This is why chronic cardio leads to muscle - loss once your body burns through its glucose/glycogen (stored carbohydrate) it needs to burn your muscle for energy. This is why I feel bad seeing people running - they are consuming their muscle and not really burning fat. Walking would be so much better
Starting on the diet you may feel crappy and crave carbs since your body needs to become "keto-adapted" - i.e. it needs to get used to burning fat for fuel versus carbs. Once your body shifts its pretty great - you never get super "starving" - just hungry since your body learns to burn fat reserves.
I'm on a paleo diet and I don't measure calories. I just eat meat and some veggies and its good enough for me. Down 24 lbs for far in the past 4 months while putting on muscle. Sort of at a plateau at the moment but I'm okay with that - I can tell I am losing weight since the pants I bought 3 weeks ago are too loose now O_o. Oh well it was from the Goodwill anyways :D
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Then you trigger a starvation response and your body reduces caloric expenditure until you are net even.
If your diet is based on carbohydrates you may still put on weight. Read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes...lots of citations on impoverished populations doing backbreaking labor getting less than 1500 calories a day becoming wretchedly obese.
I've been curious. Should I read that first, or "Good Calories, Bad Calories", or does it matter?
I'd say read Why We Get Fat first. It is a condensed version of Good Calories, Bad Calories (GCBC). You can always go back and read GCBC if you want to learn more. Or you can google for one of Taubes' lectures on YouTube which does a good job covering the main topics in his books.
I read GCBC first and still enjoyed Why We Get Fat. But I found myself skipping around GCBC to the sections that interested me then going back and finishing the rest. Taubes ended up covering quite a bit of history on how the government was mislead about dietary fat/cholesterol when I just wanted to learn more about what really causes obesity.
completely untrue, carbs are practically unnecessary (see ketogenic diet). I have been about 50% fat, 30-40% protein and remainder carbs for about 6 months now since switching to a loose paleo diet.
how does this work? How do you fill in 50% fats into your diet?
Eating a lot of meat. And drinking a lot of milk.
I dont find paleo to be that hard to stick with (as long as youre not trying to eat 5k cal a day like i am T_T). Once i stopped eating grains/most sugars for about a week i lost most of my desire to eat them.
Decaf, you need to make a paleo guide
There's a million of them! Google things like "paleo shopping list" or anything by rob wolf etc. The easiest way is to go to the grocery store and don't go into a single aisle. Pretty much everything you need is on the outside around the aisles and everything processed/shitty for you is in an aisle. You don't really even need to count calories or pounds once you start eating clean, just eat when you're hungry and use a mirror instead of a scale.
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
Actually for people not already relatively lean it is that simple. Most people can diet down to around 10-15% body fat before the minutia starts to matter. Willpower is the big reason more people aren't in better shape.
I recommend anyone interested in nutrition, weight loss, or exercise science take a look at some of the articles on http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ as the wealth of information freely available there is incredible.
On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote: I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
--
Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
You're seriously "Fox News - The Poster". You take an entire wealth of information someone presents, find one part that you disagree with, and focus on that, saying because of it, all other information is clearly crap. Please, learn to rate, and learn to read. I even said it was extreme I didn't recommend it.
I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote: I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
-There is nothing wrong with eating plenty of good fats (meats, nuts, etc) -Using your spare 30 minutes to do "cardio" is an absolute waste unless you're doing HIIT. That 30 minutes would be much better spent getting in a compound lifting session. building muscle will do much more for you long term burning calories and changing body composition. -A lot of "personal trainers" are quite misinformed.
On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote: I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic.
Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight.
As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up.
On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights.
As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote: TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with.
On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote: Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education.
See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows?
edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows?
edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
My current diet is actually VERY paleo. I don't drink milk. I wake up, eat 2 eggs, a piece of ezekiel bread, and organic oatmeal. For lunch, I make myself a huge salad of spinach, lettuce, broccoli, cucumber, carrots, bell pepper, misc seeds, and extra virgin olive oil with lemon and ginger for dressing. I top it off with fish of my choosing. Those are the only major meals I do, otherwise I'm snacking on nuts and veggies. Fruits are avoided as they're mostly sugar, and one of the major purposes of the paleo diet is to avoid sugar. Also avoid yellow vegetables and potatoes.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows?
edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
Glad to see decaf and pyree jumped on this.
Anyways, I think fruit is just fine on a paleo diet, he just didn't include them.
From heresay, I know that fruit is perfectly fine for most peoples diet. If you are trying to diet down to extremely low levels (I.E probably less than 8%), most BB's and all that will normally cut it out due to the sugar content.
In fact, I'm not too sure on this subject. I'm going to research it myself! I'm sure someone trustworthy will ring in on this one.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
No fruit? Maybe I don't understand paleo. I thought the idea was to "eat real food," i.e. eat food that mankind has survived off of for the vast majority of their existence. How long have people been milking cows?
edit: oh okay, rereading it it sounds like milk isn't actually normal? But what about fruit? Apples, oranges, bananas, and strawberries are the most delicious part of my current diet.
Glad to see decaf and pyree jumped on this.
Anyways, I think fruit is just fine on a paleo diet, he just didn't include them.
From heresay, I know that fruit is perfectly fine for most peoples diet. If you are trying to diet down to extremely low levels (I.E probably less than 8%), most BB's and all that will normally cut it out due to the sugar content.
In fact, I'm not too sure on this subject. I'm going to research it myself! I'm sure someone trustworthy will ring in on this one.
I don't know shiz about paleo, but as Tim Ferriss put in his book, The 4-Hour Body, fruit isn't "natural," because people in the past didn't get to eat all kinds of fruit 12 months a year.
Think they had Florida oranges in December? Not a chance...The only exceptions to the no-fruit rule are tomatoes and avocadoes...Otherwise, just say no to fruit and its principal suigar, fructose, which is converted to glycerol phosphate more efficiently than almost all other carbohydrates. Glycerol phosphate -> triglycerides (via the liver) -> fat storage.
On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote: I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
You're seriously "Fox News - The Poster". You take an entire wealth of information someone presents, find one part that you disagree with, and focus on that, saying because of it, all other information is clearly crap. Please, learn to rate, and learn to read. I even said it was extreme I didn't recommend it.
Here's the part I don't understand. If you don't recommend it, why did you post it as part of your guide?
I'd bet the p00n could go on about other issues, but the diet alone is enough. Your weight loss plan is based on eating such a small diet. You recommend an hour or less of actual exercise a day. And virtually none of that exercise is aerobic (10 mins of running does not count.). While this is an improvement for a lot of people, it simply wont produce anything like the results you're talking about unless you're also eating almost nothing. The diet you recommend is the cornerstone of your weight loss plan, whether you realize it or not.
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
Indeed, it's not that simple.
First of all, it technically doesn't matter how many calories you eat. What matters is how many calories your body absorbs. Secondly, if what you eat ends up going to your muscle tissue and not fat, I'm sure most people won't mind.
From taking specific supplements, eating certain foods, and engaging in muscular contraction at specified times around a big meal, you can minimize the release of insulin, increase the speed of gastric emptying, and increase the 'amount of calories' that goes into muscle tissue.
Besides, as other people have pointed out, eating less calories can help, but you risk putting your body in starvation mode. (Quick aside: your body actually goes into a mini-starvation mode every time you don't eat for a long period, such as when you're sleeping, so your breakfast or following meal is largely converted into fat) In order to stop that, you should have at least one day a week where you eat whatever you want, calories be damned. A spike in caloric intake is good. It makes sure that your "metabolic rate (thyroid function and conversion of T4 to T3) doesn't downshift from extended caloric restriction."
I have always had trouble finding my own way to lose weight, talked to alot of people who all said the same thing. decided to buy a new bike, and started using it to work (12.5km so 25km a day) and ive only really started wednesday but when i got on the weight sunday or saturday (i forget) i had already lost around 2kg in such a short amount.
Its not easy losing weight and im my oppinion the hardest is finding a way that works for your needs
Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit.In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite.
1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet.
2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."
Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
This is why I feel bad seeing people running - they are consuming their muscle and not really burning fat. Walking would be so much better
there are reasons to run other than just burning fat. and walking is just inefficient running. i also run to relieve stress. i guess if i was jobless i wouldn't have as much stress, and i'd also have a lot more free time so i could just walk inefficiently all day. so yea, feel sorry for people with jobs, because unemployment would be so much better.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite.
1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet.
2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."
Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
You can call him whatever you want, but he is right.
There's so much garbage advice on this thread it's just mind boggling to see from a "semi-expert" point of view. I have over 10 years (own) experience in bb related diets/training regiment. And before you come with the "nice story bro but do you have a degree in nutrition?". I might as well have with the amount of information I have acquired over the years.
And besides if you need strategic view of SC2 are you going to ask Dustin Browder or IdrA for advice.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite.
1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet.
2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."
Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
You can call him whatever you want, but he is right.
There's so much garbage advice on this thread it's just mind boggling to see from a "semi-expert" point of view. I have over 10 years (own) experience in bb related diets/training regiment. And before you come with the "nice story bro but do you have a degree in nutrition?". I might as well have with the amount of information I have acquired over the years.
And besides if you need strategic view of SC2 are you going to ask Dustin Browder or IdrA for advice.
I would ask Day[9], obviously.
In any case, there's no point debating with you; you're just as bad as the last guy. Yet, it seems I can't help myself.
I do hope you understand that I never spoke against his views about a diet high in protein, but the way the second half of his post belies the first half. On second though, you do not explicitly say what "he is right" about. I can then only assume from your second paragraph that you care not for his talk about protein, but agree with him in the opinion that a lot of the posts in this thread are BS.
Be assured, I concur as well. I am simply mocking the way you two seem to believe that you are better than the rest. Pray tell me, just how do you define a "semi-expert?" Experts be damned, any 6th grader who has heard of the scientific method can tell you that multiple trials must be held to promote accuracy. Unfortunately, your "10 years (own) experience" is worth naught by itself. That's not to mention that whatever diets/training regiment you practiced may not work as well for other body types and the like. Did some of your bb buddies follow the same regiment with you? Unfortunately, that's still not good enough, technically and scientifically. Did other people on bb forums find success too? Oh wait, that's on the internet, a land of BS. You have as much proof as anyone else
I must point out again that I'm not saying all the posts in this thread are correct. Yet you two seem to believe you are better than the rest. I just find that to be foolish. Indeed, you are probably more knowledgeable than some, but I am sure that many in this thread believe themselves to be just as knowledgeable and correct as you are. Giving a few lines about how much experience you've had doesn't count as proof. You have as much proof as anyone else, which isn't to say your regiment is 'wrong,' just 'incredible' as everyone else's advice. Unless medical studies are actually cited, I don't think you can give actual proof. And let's face it, that's never going to happen.
I would like to turn your attention again to the manner in which StickNMove writes. After giving his own nutrition advice, he says:
Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice.
Do you truly not find this as laughable as I do? Must I explain why it is so wrong? What gives him more claim to the truth than anyone else? If you had similar views on protein eating, you might agree with him easily. But what about someone else who doesn't?
Of course, he could be a medical expert himself. He could have research to prove his point. Do I demand that proof be given? Of course not, that's foolish. But until then, his advice is just as unbelievable (or believable) as everyone else's. Just be reminded, however, that you may not be so much more of a "semi-expert" as some people here believe themselves to be too.
Oh, and since you seem to agree with StickNMove so much, let me quote him for you.
if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
Since you don't appear to have either, I guess you won't be posting any advice of your own. Good day.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite.
1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet.
2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."
Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
You can call him whatever you want, but he is right.
There's so much garbage advice on this thread it's just mind boggling to see from a "semi-expert" point of view. I have over 10 years (own) experience in bb related diets/training regiment. And before you come with the "nice story bro but do you have a degree in nutrition?". I might as well have with the amount of information I have acquired over the years.
And besides if you need strategic view of SC2 are you going to ask Dustin Browder or IdrA for advice.
I would ask Day[9], obviously.
In any case, there's no point debating with you; you're just as bad as the last guy. Yet, it seems I can't help myself.
I do hope you understand that I never spoke against his views about a diet high in protein, but the way the second half of his post belies the first half. On second though, you do not explicitly say what "he is right" about. I can then only assume from your second paragraph that you care not for his talk about protein, but agree with him in the opinion that a lot of the posts in this thread are BS.
Be assured, I concur as well. I am simply mocking the way you two seem to believe that you are better than the rest. Pray tell me, just how do you define a "semi-expert?" Experts be damned, any 6th grader who has heard of the scientific method can tell you that multiple trials must be held to promote accuracy. Unfortunately, your "10 years (own) experience" is worth naught by itself. That's not to mention that whatever diets/training regiment you practiced may not work as well for other body types and the like. Did some of your bb buddies follow the same regiment with you? Unfortunately, that's still not good enough, technically and scientifically. Did other people on bb forums find success too? Oh wait, that's on the internet, a land of BS. You have as much proof as anyone else
I must point out again that I'm not saying all the posts in this thread are correct. Yet you two seem to believe you are better than the rest. I just find that to be foolish. Indeed, you are probably more knowledgeable than some, but I am sure that many in this thread believe themselves to be just as knowledgeable and correct as you are. Giving a few lines about how much experience you've had doesn't count as proof. You have as much proof as anyone else, which isn't to say your regiment is 'wrong,' just 'incredible' as everyone else's advice. Unless medical studies are actually cited, I don't think you can give actual proof. And let's face it, that's never going to happen.
I would like to turn your attention again to the manner in which StickNMove writes. After giving his own nutrition advice, he says:
Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice.
Do you truly not find this as laughable as I do? Must I explain why it is so wrong?
Of course, he could be a medical expert himself. He could have research to prove his point. Do I demand that proof be given? Of course not, that's foolish. But until then, his advice is just as unbelievable (or believable) as everyone else's. Just be reminded, however, that you may not be so much more of a "semi-expert" as some people here believe themselves to be too.
Oh, and since you seem to agree with StickNMove so much, let me quote him for you.
if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
Since you don't appear to have either, I guess you won't be posting any advice of your own. Good day.
I don't go for the "medical research studies" hypes. I do read them but I choose for myself what to believe or not. It pretty much always depends on "who is benefiting/financing the studies". You can find a negative "research studie" about pretty much any nutrition product available. It's always a balance about pro and cons for me and that's what I'm focusing on. Testing the methods myself (or someone I trust that does the testing) if the method truly works without any major drawbacks I see to implement in my training/diet. Every 6 months I do the bloodtest to see if everything is in check. I'm doing fine without people lecturing me on what is right/wrong.
Stay away from dairy? DRINK MILK! The loads of calcium helps to burn fat aswell as strenghetning your bones. Drink atleast one milk a day I would recommend but then again it's not my guide.
On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote: I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic.
Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight.
As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up.
On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights.
As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote: TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with.
On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote: Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education.
See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote: I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic.
Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight.
As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up.
On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights.
As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote: TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with.
On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote: Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education.
See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
huh? protein and fat are both sources of calories.
On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote: Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb.
Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote: Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb.
Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
You need to read his statement again. He didn't say it is not a good idea, but opposite. The double negative must have confused you. If you are an English native speaker I would suggest reading more books, brain needs its exercise as well.
On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote: Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb.
Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
You need to read his statement again. He didn't say it is not a good idea, but opposite. The double negative must have confused you. If you are an English native speaker I would suggest reading more books, brain needs its exercise as well.
On June 28 2011 10:28 the p00n wrote: I _STRONGLY_ suggest everyone to NOT listen to the topic starter
I work as a personal trainer and this guide is absolutely atrocious, I would rate it 0/10.
For example, most of your protein is derived from protein powder. Food has a 'thermic' effect; you need calories to properly digest your food. All the processes in your body take up energy (calories), digesting is one of those. Protein powder doesn't have a thermic effect anywhere near that of lean protein (if your body is used to it (which it will be if you take so much), people who start supplementing with protein powder often experience minor stomach discomfort the first few days). Not to forget, due to the density and general structure, you will not be boosting your metabolism as much as you would be doing with lean protein sources (poultry/chicken breast, tuna, top sirloin, ...,). Protein powder contains negligible traces of minerals and vitamins.
You make some very basic points in the rest of your guide (i.e. eating 6ish times a day, doing big compound exercises, ...,) but they are simply overshadowed by your lack of calories and extremely poor food choices as well as some things you state as a fact which are blatantly wrong, i.e. this:
'Avoid all energy drinks, even the "workout" ones, as it creates false energy that the body just burns before fat.'
You cannot burn 'false energy'. People use stimulants to aid with their fat loss all the time, in fact, most 'fatburners' are mainly stimulants ranging from fairly harmless tea-extracts, caffeine and 1,3 DMAA to the much stronger epa, yohimbe/yohimbine and anabolic androgen steroids/pro-hormones. Using stimulants such as the ones found in energy drinks (which is mostly limited to guarana and caffeine) can be a very effective way to burn fat; however, it is indeed in a way 'false energy' which can create a so-called 'crash and burn' effect later in the day where you may feel extremely tired.
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Your main 'argument' is simply stating that 'this is extreme and bordering unhealthiness, but effective!'. No, it is actually not effective - your insulin management is extremely poor and you are unable to stay on this diet for the rest of your life, meaning you will have to start eating differently eventually, where you will be enjoying the so-called jo-jo effect. You do have plenty of protein and amino acids and this diet takes the assumption that you are overweight to obese, so muscle loss won't be much of an issue - however, your metabolism will get absolutely destroyed.
Anyway, that being said, I may post a proper guide if people are interested.
You're seriously "Fox News - The Poster". You take an entire wealth of information someone presents, find one part that you disagree with, and focus on that, saying because of it, all other information is clearly crap. Please, learn to rate, and learn to read. I even said it was extreme I didn't recommend it.
Oh, I disagreed with a lot more, but it was 3AM or so and attacked the most important part of your post.
On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote: I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic.
Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight.
As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up.
On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights.
As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote: TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with.
On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote: Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education.
See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
Are you serious? I question your credentials as a fitness instructor and "nutritionist."
Calories are a freaking unit of measurement. It's not a physical thing like protein and fat are. jeez. Be it carbs, protein, fat, or wtv else you have, you are always "burning Calories."
This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe.
I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat.
On June 29 2011 04:52 Osmoses wrote: This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe.
I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat.
On June 29 2011 04:52 Osmoses wrote: This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe.
I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat.
On June 29 2011 01:12 KimJongChill wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:
On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote: Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh
That's the gospel according to eshlow, and you're one of his disciples. As for the knee, I don't know wtf it is, but whenever I put weight on it while bent a nerve in right on the side of my left kneecap cries uncle.
I've lost and kept off 30 lbs. over the past year by simply eating less. If your goal is weight loss, that's all you need. No stupid fad diets, no intricate meal plans and calorie counting. Just gradually consume less and eat a bit healthier over time, that way you're actually changing your eating habits instead of following some strict diet only to slip and then regain weight.
On June 29 2011 06:15 Corbie wrote: I've lost and kept off 30 lbs. over the past year by simply eating less. If your goal is weight loss, that's all you need. No stupid fad diets, no intricate meal plans and calorie counting. Just gradually consume less and eat a bit healthier over time, that way you're actually changing your eating habits instead of following some strict diet only to slip and then regain weight.
I agree 9000%
I go by an incredibly simple rule: The best way to stop being overweight is to stop doing the things that make you overweight. (In most cases)
If you are not happy with your weight and you have high in sodium and fat foods in your diet, your solution is incredibly simple. Eat an 8oz steak instead of a 10oz and trade the fast food home made food and you'll lose weight pretty fast (in most cases).
For me at least, it's a lot easier to stop doing what makes you fat instead of continuing to do it but trying to counterbalance it with exercise. (Though exercise certainly doesn't hurt).
You do realize your body needs more then just protein right? Those protein powders and the pills you can take are all just a waste of money. How about you actually eat a balanced diet and work out? Plenty of fruits and veggies. If you have to eat meat have it only once a day. If your a vegetarian do the proper research to ensure your getting all of your vitamins and minerals you need. There is a huge problem in this country, lets have a diet of pure protein and ill get in shape! Vegetarians don't normally have a problem with getting protein.. Only vegans do but you can add some very simple foods to your diet to remedy this problem that you can buy at any health food store.
On June 28 2011 13:15 Stevensl2 wrote: I would like to throw in something, when you're eating you don't necessarily want to look at the Calories since Calories basically turns into energy you use. What you want to look at is the Fat % and Grams, Fat is extremely hard to breakdown where as calories are instantly used for energy.
Also, with this thread it seems like you are encouraging people "starve" themselves in a sense. When you starve yourself your body goes into a "survival mode" where when you finally eat ( you WILL have to eat eventually ) will be turned into fat and stored in fear of going into starvation again.
Other than this everything else is extremely well written, imo.
- Also, for people who have very little time for exercise due to work or family and want to just burn fat. Skip out on the workouts you'll be fine, just find 30 minutes a day to run. Buy a treadmill or go to a local gym. 30 minutes of cardio a day with a good diet is enough to help you burn fat.
Your body uses Calories ----> Protein (muscle) ---> And finally it starts burning fat. It sounds simple but it really isn't, if you're serious about getting fit or you really need help I suggest seeing a personal trainer or a dietitian.
All wrong, in the absolute most basic sense. Please read through some of the later pages of the topic.
Calories are a way to measure the energy that will be available when your body breaks down food. Carbohydrates, fat, and protein all essentially have calories in them. (carbs 4cal/gram, protein 5 cal/gram, fat 9cal/gram) While fat is more calorically dense than carbs or protein, it is not "harder to break down - it's just more slowly digesting. The body uses fat just as well for almost all energy processes as it uses carbohydrates or protein. Eating fat will not make you fat - eating a lot of food period will make you fat. In fact, fat is extremely filling, so a lot of fat in your diet may decrease your overall calorie intake, leading to a net loss in body fat/weight.
As for your second point, again. No. "starvation mode" or "survival mode" in the sense you are describing it, is a myth. Your body does not think it is starving by eating less food for a while - it thinks it's starving when you eat NO food for an extended period of time. In fact, in a complete fast for at LEAST the first 72 hours (3 days) your metabolism runs at a faster rate than someone eating on a normal schedule, due to increased production of norepinephrine. You are not "starving yourself" by eating 2000 calories per day. You are not even starving yourself by eating 1000 calories per day. Please stop spreading this around the internet, there is absolutely no science backing it up.
On to the third point, that's somewhat true. In fact, weight loss is probably 90% about diet, exercise has very little to do with it. The number of calories burned on a treadmill (no, the counter on the display is probably not accurate) is insignificant compared to just eating less goddamn food. If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, you can do it entirely in the kitchen. Cardio has its own benefits to the body, and if you can find the time for it you should absolutely do it. Weight lifting on the other hand, while it doesn't even burn as many calories as Cardio does, recovering from lifting "uses" plenty of Calories. Lifting heavy things contributes heavily to an improved BODY COMPOSITION - that is, the energy and nutrients you take in will be spent repairing and building muscle, rather than sitting around your stomach being stored for later use. If you want to actually look good when you drop all that weight (because of your diet) then start lifting weights.
As for the last paragraph, I really suggest you take a class on nutrition, physiology, and exercise. Or just on general Biology - the entire post is downright wrong, and you shouldn't be going around the internet giving out health advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike theorycrafting in the strat forum, bad advice on nutrition could actually hurt someone.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post here anymore.
On June 28 2011 10:20 Dalguno wrote: TL really needs a Diet and Weight Loss sub-forum IMO.
We currently have the health and fitness thread, which is nearing 400 pages since january 1st 2011. The last thread for 2010 was Huge as well. As such, we're working on getting that sub forum, but the staff seems to have "forgotten" - or they have other things to deal with.
On June 28 2011 10:18 Dalguno wrote: Paleo is incredibly hard. I've never been able to go for more than a week, though that is partly because it's a hard diet to fund.
If you're not trying to eat a ridiculous amount of food, paleo is easy, and it can be done cheaply too. I did it on a students budget, but I did have to drink milk. Buy whole chickens, cut them up yourself. Eggs, broccoli, whole milk. Ground beef or whatever meat is on sale. Carrots, a couple of spices, coconut oil and you're good to go. Probably want to take a multi-vitamin and fish oil pills as well. I spent maybe 60-80 bucks on three weeks of food doing paleo?
On June 28 2011 11:07 PerkyPenguin wrote:
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
It actually is that simple, see the law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy, so if you eat less food and perform more movements in the course of a day you WILL lose weight. The reason most overweight people are overweight is a lack of self control and education.
See above notes on starvation mode, and PM me if you want to have a big conversation on it being Bullshit.
I'm just pointing out everything I've learned over the years, recently certified as a fitness instructor, as we are all nutritionists I'd like to ask where you get your information on how your body does NOT burn Calories, protein and then Fat in that order?
The idea that you're even asking this question as a "certified fitness instructor" is the reason I haven't bothered to try and do such a thing myself. It's mind boggling that you're sticking with this idea. Once again - Protein, carbohydrates and fat (as well as alcohol) contain energy. That energy is MEASURED in Calories. Calories are not separate from carbs and fat and protein. They cannot be burned separately because they are measuring something, they do not independantly exist. That's like me looking over to my left and saying "I see some inches outside my window." What? You're not making ANY SENSE.
On June 28 2011 10:58 Laerties wrote: I've always believed the best way to loose weight is to simply eat less. If you use more calories than you eat.... you'll start loosing weight.
Pretty sure it's not that simple or more people would be doing that.
Indeed, it's not that simple.
First of all, it technically doesn't matter how many calories you eat. What matters is how many calories your body absorbs. Secondly, if what you eat ends up going to your muscle tissue and not fat, I'm sure most people won't mind.
True to an extent. Weight lifting can help direct energy into muscles (helping in your "body composition") but really, Calories are the king here, everything else are the court officials. If you aren't eating enough, or are eating too much it doesn't matter what else you're doing, exercise and lifestyle only go so far in helping.
On June 28 2011 14:59 Karliath wrote: From taking specific supplements, eating certain foods, and engaging in muscular contraction at specified times around a big meal, you can minimize the release of insulin, increase the speed of gastric emptying, and increase the 'amount of calories' that goes into muscle tissue.
Everything you mentioned here is true, but it all still pales in comparison to the fact that if you are eating too much, you are going to get bigger, and if you are eating too little, you are going to get smaller. These things matter when you're already at a "healthy" size.
On June 28 2011 14:59 Karliath wrote: Besides, as other people have pointed out, eating less calories can help, but you risk putting your body in starvation mode. (Quick aside: your body actually goes into a mini-starvation mode every time you don't eat for a long period, such as when you're sleeping, so your breakfast or following meal is largely converted into fat) In order to stop that, you should have at least one day a week where you eat whatever you want, calories be damned. A spike in caloric intake is good. It makes sure that your "metabolic rate (thyroid function and conversion of T4 to T3) doesn't downshift from extended caloric restriction."
Again, no - starvation mode is bullshit. I've posted the studies before, but I can do it again if you'd like. "starvation mode" only happens when you're actually STARVING... That is, not eating anything for a week on end. Simple dieting does not have anything close to this fact, and if anything metabolic rate is UPREGULATED in temporary fast.
That said, if you're just starting a diet, it's nice to have a "cheat day" to help ease yourself into it... kinda like putting your feet in the pool to adjust before you just jump all the way in. Just have the goal that you're eventually going to phase that out too, and don't let yourself go TOO overboard on that one day - you're not going to eat a whole pizza and a pint of ice cream, or you're ruining everything you've already done.
On June 28 2011 15:07 3 wrote: I need this. Bookmarking it for later. Thanks
Don't. This entire thread, as well as the OP is hugely full of mis-information. Do some of your own research, as there are GREAT resources out there on the internet, but make sure that you're listening to articles and books, rather than people. People are very often full of shit, unless they can cite actual sources for information when asked.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit.In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
All truth. In fact, as low as .8g/pound/day is enough for an endurance athlete who's not trying to actively build muscle.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
So true. Any time you hear a nutrition "fact" on the internet, even if you think it just "makes sense" like starvation mode, get a source. Take a nutrition class - often, they're fun, and if they have a lab component you'll get to cook things, or plan out diets, etc. Even take two or three, or a focused one like "sports nutrition" or one for people with diabetes or other health concerns. It's always good to learn.
On June 28 2011 21:18 Olsson wrote: Stay away from dairy? DRINK MILK! The loads of calcium helps to burn fat aswell as strenghetning your bones. Drink atleast one milk a day I would recommend but then again it's not my guide.
Milk is good if you tolerate lactose well, I agree. Personally I drink a little over a quart a day with no problems. It's a great source of energy from the fat (assuming you aren't drinking *blech* skim milk.) and protein from the... well, protein. Actually a lot of the calcium in milk isn't absorbed by your body, it's leeched out by the protein content. But that's ok, it's got a lot of other benefits. Drink it if you can IMO.
On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote: Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
Care to explain why? The extra strength, grip, stability control and natural testosterone boost you get from those exercises can not be taken lightly. Very important for a bb.
Dangerous? If done incorrectly, yes. Driving a car is dangerous and still everyone is doing it.
You mis-read. Decaf deadlifts something like 500 pounds himself iirc. Yes, it's only dangerous if you're doing it wrong. I've personally injured my knees pretty badly due to improper form, but... I fixed my form, gave myself recovery time, and now I'm good to go.
On June 29 2011 04:52 Osmoses wrote: This thread is a bunch of people shouting loudly that everyone else is wrong. I fucking hate dieting, because you can dive miles down into this bullshit and still not know who to believe.
I'm just trying to keep it simple. Work out alot and try not to eat so much. I'm losing weight, that is progress I can measure. But oh how wonderful it would be if there was such a thing as "truth" about what to eat.
On June 29 2011 01:12 KimJongChill wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:07 decafchicken wrote:
On June 28 2011 21:12 exog wrote: Sorry if this was already answered, but why no deadlift/squat?
there's no good reason not to squat/deadlift
You might prefer one over the other, but you'd be an idiot not to do both. heheh
That's the gospel according to eshlow, and you're one of his disciples. As for the knee, I don't know wtf it is, but whenever I put weight on it while bent a nerve in right on the side of my left kneecap cries uncle.
There's a lot of shit to wade through when it comes to diet and nutrition. In the end, find something you believe in that's study-supported, try it, and see if it works for you. That's what I've done with paleo, and my learning has extended from there because I find this an extremely interesting subject.
As for that knee - you've probably got bad form, and a pre-existing condition. Get it checked by a doctor, and get your squat form checked by someone who knows what they're talking about. I'd personally recommend listening to "eshlow's disciples" in the TLHF thread, or even heading over to a powerlifting/olympic lifting forum and asking them to take a look.'
On June 29 2011 06:15 Corbie wrote: I've lost and kept off 30 lbs. over the past year by simply eating less. If your goal is weight loss, that's all you need. No stupid fad diets, no intricate meal plans and calorie counting. Just gradually consume less and eat a bit healthier over time, that way you're actually changing your eating habits instead of following some strict diet only to slip and then regain weight.
100% true. If you're overweight to begin with, listen to this man. Now, if you're already at 11% bodyfat looking to get that six pack - it's going to take more effort (calorie counting, proper macronutrient portions, some decent activity levels) but still nothing ridiculous. Start with a diet you're able to follow, and work from there. Remember that this is not something you do for a week or a month or even a year, it is a LIFESTYLE CHANGE.
On June 29 2011 06:36 Marine0945x wrote: You do realize your body needs more then just protein right? Those protein powders and the pills you can take are all just a waste of money. How about you actually eat a balanced diet and work out? Plenty of fruits and veggies. If you have to eat meat have it only once a day. If your a vegetarian do the proper research to ensure your getting all of your vitamins and minerals you need. There is a huge problem in this country, lets have a diet of pure protein and ill get in shape! Vegetarians don't normally have a problem with getting protein.. Only vegans do but you can add some very simple foods to your diet to remedy this problem that you can buy at any health food store.
I eat meat with every meal. Breakfast Bacon and Eggs, Lunch a can of tuna or a salad with grilled chicken. Dinner some kind of meat and broccoli/carrots, once in a while sweet potato/potato/white rice. It's not bad to eat meat (unless it's processed) but it's probably not 100% necessary either. Just get what your body NEEDS. You can probably do that without the pills and the powders, I agree.
On vegetarians, I just think it's a stupid Idea, but if you plan it well enough it can be healthy. Whatever makes you happy I guess.
Good god I hate nutrition threads, but I hate poor information even more =/. Can't help myself.
I am not a big fan of these extreme diets. I've lost 30 pounds (now constant 180lbs since 2years) just by beeing more active in generall + jogging for 20 minutes every morning. Beeing more active is the mainpart with this and its quite simple, here some examples: - Just walk instead of drive, walk every distance you can walk (thats every distance that is within 45 minutes of walking range). Sometimes I didnt touch my car in weeks. - Go out! With friends, girls, dancing, alone to your favorite café, doesnt matter. The world is out there and you want to see it. - When someone is calling and asking you to help with anything/ play some soccer with them/ or with a crazy idea for an adventure... just do it. Dont be lazy. - Only some little food restriction: Limit chips and burgerking (these were the main problem for me, choose your one or two things)
These are little things that are not extreme and actually give you a much more fun life.
Best way i know (ive been 72.6kg since over 8 years with 182 cm): Eat a heavy breakfast from monday to friday, saturday normal, sunday light. For lunch dont mix things like potatoes or bread with other stuff (meat or fish with vegatables). For dinner a fruit/salad based food.
Drink at least 1 liter of water a day, 2 is great, personally i drink at least 3. Do 10 minutes exercise 2 times a day, and on weekends at least 1 hour a day. Personally i go to a swimming pool 20 minutes a day (i have a office job, so i move almost nothing).
meat 2 times a week, fish 3 times a week, rest mainly salad/fruit (does not apply for breakfast, you can eat whatever you want there, just not very unhealty stuff like hamburgers. Once a week eat little (basicly always eat less than you would normally do).
Final note about drinks: mostly avoid alcohol and drinks like coca cola. You can drink alcohol once every 2 weeks, just dont overkill with it or you will freak out your metabolism.
can anyone please pm me on how to work the bicep, chest, tricep, back, shoulder etc? what kind of lifting do I need to do or how else can I work these?
Okay, now I just want to know if it's possible to lose fat while gaining muscle at the same time. I guess it's called body recomposition? So could I eat a high protein diet to maintain muscle growth while going on a 500 daily deficit to shed some fat? Would eating keto style help promote such a goal, or does my body need carbs for energy to create the muscle from protein??
The misconceptions in this thread physically pain me.
Does your metabolism just mysteriously stop while you're asleep, forcing you to not eat 4 hours before bed?
Protein powder isn't useless, but it's not a end-all key to jackedness. Taken as a postworkout supplement, it'll boost your recovery time and let you train better in the long run.
The initial weight routine in the OP seems incredibly ineffective; leg training with heavy weights encourages so much overall muscle growth that, as a beginner, it'd be comparable to steroids.
An article writer on T-Nation and holder of every certification under the sun (something he readily admits doesn't mean he's competent at all; he's a practitioner of results through trial and error) has told me that if you skip breakfast, your metabolism isn't "slowed" at all. It's just like how eating 6 small meals over a day doesn't "boost" your metabolism either. It's just used to help get the larger amounts of calories that bodybuilders/athletes require for sustained performance.
Finally, eat your fucking eggs. I swear to god if I see a single post about egg cholesterol being bad for you that doesn't have several pubmed links to back it up, I will take a sniper rifle to the bell tower next to your house.
On June 28 2011 16:11 StickNMove wrote: Wow, I cant believe what I have just read. I got to page 5 before I just couldnt read anymore. There is so much BS being thrown around in this thread that I dont even know where to start if I should even start at all. I am actually glad that I read a few posts where people called them out on it, but many have still been untouched.
Anyone who is curious about high protein diets please listen carefully. There are NO STUDIES that prove eating more than 2g of protein a day (per kg of your body weight) has any kind benefit. In fact, going over this limit can lead to higher LDL's, (the bad cholesterol), calcium loss, and kidney disease for those with kidney problems. So if you're 170 lbs thats 77.11 kg x 2.0g = 154g of protein. Don't listen to anyone who says you should consume anymore than what I have told you unless they are a medical expert giving you medical advice. This is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this.
Whoever said "dont trust anyone giving you health advice on the internet" was absolutely right. I think that's great that we are discussing health on this forum and promoting those idea's but if you dont have any kind of research to back up your claims you should really refrain from giving "advice". I invite anyone who actually is curious or passionate about health to take a class or two in nutrition before they start following advice on the internet.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, but you do sound like just the hypocrite.
1) You tell people not to trust health advice on the internet after giving your own health advice on the internet.
2) Despite promoting the importance of having research to back up one's claims, the only proof you provide yourself is that what you've said "is widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you this."
Without getting into whether your 'advice' is backed up by the "Nutrition world" or not, don't you think that most other people who post here believe themselves to be correct, and believe their information to be "widely known in the Nutrition world, and anyone who knows anything about the human body could tell you [the same thing]" as well?
I did agree with the notion previously said about not trusting anyone on the internet giving health advice. And I stand by that agreement, which is much different than me plainly saying not to trust health advice on the internet (which you accused me of stating).But it also seems as if you are a little confused about the meaning of trust so I will break it down for you. Your friend tells you "Do not trust Johnny when he is giving you advice". This means that you should take everything that Johnny says with a grain of salt. This doesn't mean that everything he has to say is moot and he should always be ignored. Essentially johnny can give you great advice, but not trusting someone is about being cautious and sifting through the information that you hear or read.
Sure, I did give some advice meant as a warning to those who seem fairly clueless. So what? I also promoted the idea for people to check for themselves and speak with a medical expert. And my advice is no exception to the rule. Did I say my advice was an exception? No, I didnt. So what's the big problem? You shouldn't blindly believe any advice whether it is me, you, or the Easter Bunny's.
You obviously don't understand hypocrisy if you are claiming me to be a hypocrite. If I told you not to believe all of the advice you hear on the internet, would I be a hypocrite because I have just given you that advice? No, I wouldn't because there is no specific claim that I have made which I myself have violated or neglected. I'll let you look up and try to comprehend hypocrisy by yourself without me since I do not have the interest or time to explain this issue to you further.
Your second point about having research to backup a claim is valid, but there are exceptions. I explained that it is a widely known fact within the Nutrition world, which means it requires no citation. And therefore I did not provide direct proof. If you are unfamiliar with it, it is your own fault and instead of crying about it you should look for the information yourself. Irf you still do not understand let me simplify this even further. You write a paper about Barack Obama, do you need to cite in your paper that he is the President of the United States? No, you wouldn't. That's because it is a widely known fact and does not require proof. And just as I have said in my original post, my advice was based on a widely known fact and therefore I did not need to cite a source. If you don't believe me, then great, go look for yourself like anyone in your position should do.
All you're really doing is looking for someone to argue with and I'm really not that interested in continuing.
Another misconception within this thread that is that exercise is just exercise and calories are just calories. False. Different exercises target different sources of energy within your body based on many factors, like the amount of oxygen you are receiving. Here is a perfect example...
On June 29 2011 11:55 stack wrote: can anyone please pm me on how to work the bicep, chest, tricep, back, shoulder etc? what kind of lifting do I need to do or how else can I work these?
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