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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
May 27 2011 05:38 GMT
#161
On May 27 2011 14:36 TheLink wrote:
Oh, just thought up a good comparison.

I went to a predominantly Muslim school (I'm agnostic), and during school events/graduation dinner I was forced to eat halal meat as nothing else was provided. Should I have declared that this was illegal and forced my own graduation dinner to be cancelled? I mean I'm against animal cruelty and the whole slit the throat and let them bleed out thing.


I am sure if you had asked before hand for a separate meal, it could have been accomodated.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#162
On May 27 2011 14:36 mastergriggy wrote:
Maybe you can explain to me where in the bill of rights the school has to cancel the tradition because some guy opposes it? I mean god forbid it goes both ways.

It's an unconstitutional tradition. Law is the basis of the nation state, not religion and not tradition.
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DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 05:39:46
May 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#163
Of course he has the right to call for the removal of the prayer and he shouldn't receive so much backlash from the community for it. People don't consider the constitution in their daily lives, but these people do consider religion in their lives, which is why this situation is a huge deal for them. The only thing they are doing is being hypocritical. I do however, think that he regrets doing it as he's basically lost all the people who cared about him, and his belongings that were important to him like his own home. Such a terrible story showing the modern day hypocrisy in some of these places.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#164
On May 27 2011 14:27 Jibba wrote:
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On May 27 2011 14:25 mastergriggy wrote:
I don't go out of my way to call out atheists because I think thy are wrong, what right does that give this kid to do that to a tradition.
Really? It's the Bill of FUCKING Rights. That's what enables him to do that.


It doesn't take more than a cursory glance at legal history to see that it took a very long process and series of interpretations to equate any prayer in school as a violation of the first amendment. But, hey, it's so much easier to laugh at people who point out that the words 'separation of church and state' do not exist any where in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

If you want to argue it as an interpretation of the First Amendment, go ahead, but to make the assertion that it's so set in stone is doing a huge disservice to the discussion.
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Natsumar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 05:41:19
May 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#165
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On May 27 2011 14:36 mastergriggy wrote:

yep you are the only one in teamliquid who is smart enough to give a measured response

gold star for you

I never said that, but thanks for proving my point.

On May 27 2011 14:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Okay do you think they would have allowed a Muslim Prayer to be read at graduation if there was Muslim students? What about Hindu students? How many unbiased news stories would be covering the same exact graduation?


Let me reiterate the part I thought was biased for you: Article writer assumes that the motives of atheist kid are a, b, and c. In all likelihood, it's none of those motives. I don't think it's one of those motives. Am I criticizing the kid, no. Am I criticizing the fact that there is a clear double standard, yes.

[QUOTE]On May 27 2011 14:27 Jibba wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 27 2011 14:25 mastergriggy wrote:
I don't go out of my way to call out atheists because I think thy are wrong, what right does that give this kid to do that to a tradition.[/quote]Really? It's the Bill of FUCKING Rights. That's what enables him to do that.
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Maybe you can explain to me where in the bill of rights the school has to cancel the tradition because some guy opposes it? I mean god forbid it goes both ways.

[/QUOTE]


It doesn't matter if it was tradition. There's no gray line. It was a clear violation of the separation of church and state. Therefore, it has to go[/QUOTE]
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krbz
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
May 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#166
Its a religion in the government argument.

The kid was right in that there should of been no religious affiliated activities at the graduation. It is blatantly unconstitutional.

The school system was wrong. I'm just going to say that if another student wanted to have a *insert religion* prayer at the graduation, they would have been equally against it... if not more so. It just so "im right, you are wrong" and "im not gonna listen to what you think, but you have to listen to what i think".

Its crazy that this is allowed to go on without any higher officials stepping in. No one wants to deal with a group of butthurt religious people, when they aren't allowed to have prayer at gov sponsored events.

I also would like to say, Fowler was IN NO WAY forcing his views on anyone. He was ONLY asking for a lack of religious ceremony, since it is unconstitutional in that setting. It is his RIGHT to not have to deal with that. Just as it is the Christians right to not have a Muslim/any prayer to be done at the graduation. He didnt want an atheist speech to be read aloud instead to everyone.

He just wanted his rights. Is that too much to ask?

I think not.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 05:42:33
May 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#167
I honestly LOVE people who say "he is 18 why would he have to listen to his parents"

he doesnt....unless he wants their help lol.



Congrats guy u tried to stop a prayer that obviously the majority wanted, cause you are a selfish prick and could only think of yourself and what you want.

The guy obviously did it for attention and nothing else. Do you really think he was offended? Lets be honest he was just being a dick and tried to be a pain in the ass for fame/attention.

congrats u got every1s attention.

Hope it was worth it lolol.

He is getting exactly what he asked for. Everyone knows who he is.

LOL at this kid realizing as long as he wants to use mommys and daddys money they make the rules.

I would have done the same exact thing to my kid for being a little prick. "Enjoy your freedom....without my money."


I love reading the posts about this kid and his "rights" and "freedoms" lol. Fine enjoy your freedom and rights. Keep up the good fight. now stfu and be a martyr in silence I hope it was worth it. sorry the entire world doesnt function in hypotheticals.

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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 05:40:29
May 27 2011 05:40 GMT
#168
On May 27 2011 14:36 TheLink wrote:
Oh, just thought up a good comparison.

I went to a predominantly Muslim school (I'm agnostic), and during school events/graduation dinner I was forced to eat halal meat as nothing else was provided. Should I have declared that this was illegal and forced my own graduation dinner to be cancelled? I mean I'm against animal cruelty and the whole slit the throat and let them bleed out thing.


I hope you realize that regular meat slaughter also slits the throat and lets the animal bleed out. The only difference is they don't stun the animal first. They still die in the same amount of time.

I'm not religious but Halal and Kosher meats are something I prefer because they are usually prepared to a higher standard of sanitation as a side effect of the religious requirements of preparing the meat.

Also, if you never tried asking in advance for different food, your rights weren't violated.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 27 2011 05:41 GMT
#169
On May 27 2011 14:35 aguy38 wrote:
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On May 27 2011 14:34 meegrean wrote:
If I were him, I would have just stayed silent. Punishment far outweighs the benefits... Is he trying to be a martyr or something?

If I were a betting man I would put money on it that he did it for attention and it just spiraled out of control to what it is now.


For attention? He contacted the principal in private. Someone leaked his name.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14084 Posts
May 27 2011 05:41 GMT
#170
On May 27 2011 14:33 Probulous wrote:
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On May 27 2011 14:32 sermokala wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:22 Zzoram wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:20 sermokala wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:50 EmeraldSparks wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:48 aguy38 wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:47 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.

including the kid?

Well, he can go if he wants to.

I heard atheists are big on gulags.


This post has very great depth and I admire it.

On May 27 2011 14:14 Zzoram wrote:
I'm sure all of America would be outraged if a public school with a sizable Muslim population held prayers to Allah but not Christian prayers during graduation. Christianity holds an undoubtedly priviliged place in America despite claims of religious equality and freedom.


Theres actually a practicing muslum in my class for graduation. Hes given a pass out of class at the proper times so he can pray in silence and during tests he just does it in class right there. The common consensus is "I don't give a shit" Its like America is Team liquid and the church is another poster. Its been around for so long and contributed so much (and done great sins as well) that the mods put him higher then the newer people.

But really Guys its the deep south and the kid was being a smart ass the way he simply "demanded" that the prayer be canceled. They still have chaplains in the military and they still pray in the sport house's before each game in the successful schools. I'm not saying anything about the situation was right but the Person who wrote this (lets be honest) blog is horribly biased and acts like the majority of america is Christian still. Which it frankly isn't.

TLDR: I don't want to study evolution and have to have that shuved down my throat to get a good grade in that class but I keep my mouth shut and get though it and don't call the ALCU.


The Muslim student is doing a personal prayer, that's fine. The school could've had a moment of silence for all the students to do their own personal prayers. When an individual representing the school does an official prayer on behalf of the school, that's where the violation of the constitutional right occurs.



Evolution is science, it's ok to teach science in science class.

Prayers are religion, it's not ok for the school to have an official prayer since government isn't allowed to favor one religion over another.



I find the theory of evolution as tought by the science elite to be personally offensive and strongly against my personal views. I find all the "science" behind it to be strongly painted against my religious views. Its the same as if the bible was made into the curriculum for English sense it was the first mass printed book.


Except that you would probably look at its history, the way it was written. How events influenced its structure, the tone etc.

You would not get up and tell everyone to believe everything in the book.

As for evolution, there is evidence to back it up. The whole idea is for it to be examined and questioned. The foundation of science is questioning, hence if you do an science subject you are expected to question things. If you don't like it, don't go to science class.



You mean It being written by a priest to explain how god created the universe and everything in it? What are you talking about its structure and tone? The modern theory of evolution isn't some single threat of thought about how animals developed into what we are today its been convoluted into a mess of Religious hate against god with assumptions like the big bang and carbon dating. Do you even realize how wildly inaccurate carbon dating is and how rock solid its used in "science" debates?
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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
May 27 2011 05:41 GMT
#171
On May 27 2011 14:38 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 14:36 TheLink wrote:
Oh, just thought up a good comparison.

I went to a predominantly Muslim school (I'm agnostic), and during school events/graduation dinner I was forced to eat halal meat as nothing else was provided. Should I have declared that this was illegal and forced my own graduation dinner to be cancelled? I mean I'm against animal cruelty and the whole slit the throat and let them bleed out thing.

I am sure if you had asked before hand for a separate meal, it could have been accomodated.


And thats exactly my point. This kid could have been asked to be excluded beforehand but he didn't. Now everyone is up in arms that he didn't take the rational response and actively attacked his school and community.
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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#172
On May 27 2011 14:39 MaestroSC wrote:
I honestly LOVE people who say "he is 18 why would he have to listen to his parents"

he doesnt....unless he wants their help lol.



Congrats guy u tried to stop a prayer that obviously the majority wanted, cause you are a selfish prick and could only think of yourself and what you want.

The guy obviously did it for attention and nothing else. Do you really think he was offended? Lets be honest he was just being a dick and tried to be a pain in the ass for fame/attention.

congrats u got every1s attention.

Hope it was worth it lolol.

He is getting exactly what he asked for. Everyone knows who he is.

LOL at this kid realizing as long as he wants to use mommys and daddys money they make the rules.

I would have done the same exact thing to my kid for being a little prick. "Enjoy your freedom....without my money."


Wow....

I hope you're not a parent.


Kids can be a handful, they can be a fuckign nightmare but this should not be grounds for disownment.

Grow up.
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WGarrison
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#173
On May 27 2011 14:32 TheLink wrote:
I wonder if tomorrow we're going to get a news story saying "children defy anti-prayer law by praying out loud in school, are given detention" and then we argue over whether its right to punish someone for their opposition of a perceived unjust law.


An anti-prayer law is equally as unconstitutional as the original issue and in fact violates the same amendment.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#174
On May 27 2011 14:39 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 14:36 mastergriggy wrote:
Maybe you can explain to me where in the bill of rights the school has to cancel the tradition because some guy opposes it? I mean god forbid it goes both ways.

It's an unconstitutional tradition. Law is the basis of the nation state, not religion and not tradition.


Actually tradition is a source of rights, but only where law and doctrine don't say anything, if I remember correctly.
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#175
On May 27 2011 14:37 Emperor_Earth wrote:
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On May 27 2011 14:23 ghrur wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:56 travis wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:53 Diglett wrote:
the article is incredibly biased so it's hard to make a good opinion. but all i see a smartass kid trying to troll the school and from that, the whole community screwed him. stupid kid, stupid school, teachers, parents, etc.


Could you explain where the bias in the article is?

On May 27 2011 13:55 ghrur wrote:
You couldn't have quoted a less inflammatory article in a less obviously inflammatory way? Look, I no way condone the actions of the community, but I really hate this article being so heavily biased towards atheists (despite being one.) I'd rather call the community stupid and crazy rather than turn it into a Christian vs Atheists argument.


you too


Of course.

It takes the actions of a few and generalizes across to the whole. Specifically, it takes the actions of one southern community and generalizes it to all Christians. It also takes the actions of a few atheists as proof of the whole atheistic community. And it does this without reliable statistics that allow you to do so.

Example:

There's the ugly reality of anti-atheist bigotry and discrimination across the country -- especially in high schools. According to JT Eberhard, high school specialist for the Secular Student Alliance, "In Alabama, Auburn High School is refusing to allow an SSA affiliate. In Cranston, Rhode Island, a public school is facing an ACLU suit for refusing to take down a sectarian prayer [a banner posted in the school gym]. In Texas we had a student who was told he could have a secular club if he called it a philosophy club and didn't affiliate with the SSA. The list of similar situations is a mile long and these are only the ones I've become aware of in my first four and a half months on the job. The Fowler incident is much closer to being the norm than the exception."

There are rants about religion to be had here as well. There's the level of not only hostility, but panicked hostility, when entrenched religion gets its privileged status threatened. There's the way that religion relies on social consensus to perpetuate itself -- and how, when that consensus is threatened, it commonly reacts by smacking down dissent and expelling dissenters.


The first paragraph claims that this is the norm with three examples. Then it transitions to the second paragraph quoted to rant about religion. This is specifically hostile against religion, blaming them as the cause, and therefore the antithesis (atheism) is to be supported. It also insinuates that the norm for religious communities is to harass atheists or have an "anti-atheist bigotry." Really, that's far from the truth.

The article also uses diction to stress the connection between the community and Christians in general. Note:
When a high school atheist tried to stop prayer at his graduation, he was harassed and kicked out of his house
See, instead of high school student, it's high school atheist right before prayer. At his graduation means that the school is the Christian entity. Further support for this claim?
Damon Fowler, an atheist student
Stressing atheism with Fowler. School with Christian.

They went ahead and had the graduation prayer anyway.

They = school. Graduation prayer = school. Prayer = Religious, Christian thing to do. School = Christian.

And Damon is fortunate enough to have the backing of the atheist community

Damon = atheist. Making it clear. My god, this quote even juxtaposes the communities by basically saying atheist community = good, Damon's community = Christians = bad.

And that's the way the atheist community has stepped up to the plate

Once again, juxtaposing atheist community with Christian community (because one stepped up to the plate, who didn't? Christian community is implied).

So basically, the article is subtly (well, not really) arguing the superiority of the Atheist community to the Christian community.

Oh, and of course, there's loaded language here too to specifically cause hatred against the community in question.
Ostracized, demeaned, threatened, pilloried, hounded, etc. then connecting those actions back to Christians using the things I said above. Can you really say this isn't biased against the Christian community? Just take a look at the condescending tone it uses too.

Oh, and by the way? They went ahead and had the graduation prayer anyway.

Implication: Christians ignore the law.

It's a law and a Constitution that protects everybody, not just atheists. If you wouldn't want to be subjected to a government-sponsored Buddhist prayer, you ought not to be subjecting others to a government-sponsored Christian prayer.

Okay. I hope that's clear

Implication: I know the law; I know the Constitution. You don't because you're a Christian. Let me explain it for you.

In other words: Because the majority of students want an unconstitutional prayer at their graduation, therefore they're in the right.

Implication: Christians think majority is always right, despite it being unconstitutional.

There's the lack of understanding in the United States about fundamental civics: the all-too-common belief that "majority rules" in every situation, and the all-too-common failure to comprehend the principle that the minority has basic civil rights.

Implication: Christians across the US don't understand fundamental civics.

And of course -- duh -- there's separation of church and state. There's the principle that a public school should not be sponsoring prayers at graduations. What with that being a government establishment of religion and all, and thus being -- oh, what's that word? -- unconstitutional.

Implication: Christians don't understand separation of Church and State.

Yup. I would be fine reporting the event, but making a whole deal of Christians are bad vs Atheists are good just annoys the crap out of me.


First of all, let me commend you for your efforts and style. This is exactly the type of constructive posting that leads to healthy debates.

But... you are quoting the OP, not the article. Clearly, as you also so thoroughly shown in your own way, the OP is not unbiased.


Hmmm? I thought the OP quoted the article, therefore I quoted the OP to quote the article.
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atheistaphobe
Profile Joined May 2011
22 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#176
The majority in America feel it was a flawed interpretation that ruled that there is to be no group prayer in schools. Most feel that acknowledging the great tradition of prayer that so many have in their lives is not an establishment of religion.

In four years this decision could be overturned and all you would have to fight for the other side because you are so dedicated to what is constitutional and what is not.

InsaniaK
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden120 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#177
On May 27 2011 14:02 Sanctimonius wrote:
Wow. Sounds like pretty much everyone involved in this was acting poorly.

I love the theme of the article - atheists good, theists bad. The whole way through it is slanted towards Fowler. It is written expressly to make you on his side. Meh. Poor and biased writing, really. And I don't agree with his actions anyways. Seperation of Church and State is guaranteed by the Constitution, nobody is arguing that. But I really disagree with him trying to force them to cancel the traditional prayer. And he was trying to force them to cancel it, regardless of what the atricle says - threatening to call in the ACLU, which the article specifically says it already in a lawsuit against another school for refusing to change their own religious traditions? That's a threat, a demand to cancel the prayer. I went to a university with plenty of religious traditions, and I knew a lot of atheists who joined in them simply as a cultural exercise, enjoying the traditions which we are left from religion. It wasn't trying to force them to convert, just as this prayer wasn't trying to force Fowler to. He had the option of opting out. Instead he tried to force everyone to follow his beliefs, tried to force his own views on the majority. Is it any wonder people were angry?

Having said that, the reaction was shockingly overboard. He has the right to his views, even if I think he acted like an idiot in the first place. Hounding him, attacking him, threats of bodily violence? It's sad people think that is an acceptable way to act, even if he was attacking something dear to them. He is being bullied, and from the sound of it one teacher at least doesn't really care. Still, his parents are acting the worst in this. Throwing him out for standing up against something he disagrees with? Wow. I hope that if my kids stand up for something I don't agree with I can at least understand their position.



He never tried to make anyone follow his beliefs. He merely wanted to stop an event which was illegal and offended him in some way.
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 05:52:43
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#178
Alright I fail at quoting posts, sorry about that. But, I thought Teamliquid has a better understanding of logic, because everyone who has responded to me seems to love using logical fallacies. Tradition doesn't have anything to do if something is wrong or right. I've never said this.

The issue is that person a is pissed off over the schools decision (or maybe not even pissed off, insert whatever word you want), so person a asks them not to do that. Why can't anyone answer the question I've already raised, why is it okay for the kid to get his way and the school to be forced to do something differently? It in no way broke the law, or violated any of the previously established principles.

Edit:

On May 27 2011 14:39 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 14:36 mastergriggy wrote:
Maybe you can explain to me where in the bill of rights the school has to cancel the tradition because some guy opposes it? I mean god forbid it goes both ways.

It's an unconstitutional tradition. Law is the basis of the nation state, not religion and not tradition.


It's not unconstitutional. The school took it down for the sake of expediency, not because they were forced too.

Edit 2:

I feel like I need to expand this, and give better evidence.

Prayer is not allowed by a teacher in a classroom; this doesn't mean students, this doesn't apply to a graduation. I know this is a weak argument so I will expand:

No one forced him to pray, the same way no one forced a christian to act in a way that opposed what they believe. I find the very idea that a short prayer that's a part of the tradition of the school would get such controversy when it breaks no laws, and only offends the people who in no way have to take part of it. Would this even be an issue if they called it simply a moment of silence, or would that offend someone too?
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#179
Everybody in this situation is stupid. If the school wants to organise some praying, then who cares?
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
May 27 2011 05:43 GMT
#180
On May 27 2011 14:41 sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 14:33 Probulous wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:32 sermokala wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:22 Zzoram wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:20 sermokala wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:50 EmeraldSparks wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:48 aguy38 wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:47 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.

including the kid?

Well, he can go if he wants to.

I heard atheists are big on gulags.


This post has very great depth and I admire it.

On May 27 2011 14:14 Zzoram wrote:
I'm sure all of America would be outraged if a public school with a sizable Muslim population held prayers to Allah but not Christian prayers during graduation. Christianity holds an undoubtedly priviliged place in America despite claims of religious equality and freedom.


Theres actually a practicing muslum in my class for graduation. Hes given a pass out of class at the proper times so he can pray in silence and during tests he just does it in class right there. The common consensus is "I don't give a shit" Its like America is Team liquid and the church is another poster. Its been around for so long and contributed so much (and done great sins as well) that the mods put him higher then the newer people.

But really Guys its the deep south and the kid was being a smart ass the way he simply "demanded" that the prayer be canceled. They still have chaplains in the military and they still pray in the sport house's before each game in the successful schools. I'm not saying anything about the situation was right but the Person who wrote this (lets be honest) blog is horribly biased and acts like the majority of america is Christian still. Which it frankly isn't.

TLDR: I don't want to study evolution and have to have that shuved down my throat to get a good grade in that class but I keep my mouth shut and get though it and don't call the ALCU.


The Muslim student is doing a personal prayer, that's fine. The school could've had a moment of silence for all the students to do their own personal prayers. When an individual representing the school does an official prayer on behalf of the school, that's where the violation of the constitutional right occurs.



Evolution is science, it's ok to teach science in science class.

Prayers are religion, it's not ok for the school to have an official prayer since government isn't allowed to favor one religion over another.



I find the theory of evolution as tought by the science elite to be personally offensive and strongly against my personal views. I find all the "science" behind it to be strongly painted against my religious views. Its the same as if the bible was made into the curriculum for English sense it was the first mass printed book.


Except that you would probably look at its history, the way it was written. How events influenced its structure, the tone etc.

You would not get up and tell everyone to believe everything in the book.

As for evolution, there is evidence to back it up. The whole idea is for it to be examined and questioned. The foundation of science is questioning, hence if you do an science subject you are expected to question things. If you don't like it, don't go to science class.



You mean It being written by a priest to explain how god created the universe and everything in it? What are you talking about its structure and tone? The modern theory of evolution isn't some single threat of thought about how animals developed into what we are today its been convoluted into a mess of Religious hate against god with assumptions like the big bang and carbon dating. Do you even realize how wildly inaccurate carbon dating is and how rock solid its used in "science" debates?


What? radiocarbon dating is pretty damn accurate lol. Religious hate from evolution theory today? The synthesis was merely a way to finally reconcile questions that Darwin could not answer because of the lack of knowledge of genetics.
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