EPTI wouldn't recommend reading too many though because after a while you realize they are just going blah blah blah here's my biased opinion. :p
Student gets ostracized for refusing to pray - Page 11
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I wouldn't recommend reading too many though because after a while you realize they are just going blah blah blah here's my biased opinion. :p | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:43 sermokala wrote: You think that we're all nothing but a freak accident on the uncompromisable scale of the universe? How sad. See what I did there? How is that sad? It's wonderful. That we exist solely to worship our creator or be discarded into eternal torment is what's sad. What kind of father has children for the sole purpose of making them worship him? Ego much? | ||
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Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:42 ghrur wrote: Hmmm? I thought the OP quoted the article, therefore I quoted the OP to quote the article. Alas we must go back to both the first rules of journalism/law. Go to the source. The OP took a few liberties with the "article", which was more of a first hand timeline with a memo from the subject's brother. | ||
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KSMB
United States100 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:43 sermokala wrote:You think that we're all nothing but a freak accident on the uncompromisable scale of the universe? How sad. See what I did there? I guess you are serious. It is indeed very sad you are so monumentally ignorant about science. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:44 johanngrunt wrote: Not really, the halal food concept stretches to cooking as well. If you cook non halal food in a pan, that pan is no longer suitable for cooking halal food. (if you're super strict, and Muslims pls correct me if I'm wrong) They could've ordered you a pizza. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13900 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:43 Slaughter wrote: What? radiocarbon dating is pretty damn accurate lol. Religious hate from evolution theory today? The synthesis was merely a way to finally reconcile questions that Darwin could not answer because of the lack of knowledge of genetics. Its far too late for me to point out the obvious response's about radio carbon dateing but I'll just link the wiki and be done with that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating go down to calibration if your lazy. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/ And Yes I'm oursourceing my argument again If it was such a wildly accepted Theory then how come no one will allow debate other said "synthesis" | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:39 DeepBlu2 wrote: Of course he has the right to call for the removal of the prayer and he shouldn't receive so much backlash from the community for it. People don't consider the constitution in their daily lives, but these people do consider religion in their lives, which is why this situation is a huge deal for them. The only thing they are doing is being hypocritical. I do however, think that he regrets doing it as he's basically lost all the people who cared about him, and his belongings that were important to him like his own home. Such a terrible story showing the modern day hypocrisy in some of these places. Then again, he also gained something. For example he found out some very important, if unpleasant, things about his parents. | ||
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rbx270j
Canada540 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:57 Spacekyod wrote: This is man doing this in the name of religion, not religion itself. Atleast not christianity. Nowhere in the bible does it preach to ostracize and harrass others. well, I know of 3 spots in Deuteronomy that advocate killing, at least in my version of the KJB. I don't know offhand of any parts that limit it to harass and ostracize, and I'm sure there's one or two somewhere in the book + Show Spoiler + 17:12, 13:13-19, 13:7-12 | ||
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krbz
United States66 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:43 sermokala wrote: You think that we're all nothing but a freak accident on the uncompromisable scale of the universe? How sad. See what I did there? You think that some old man in the sky grants wishes, made the earth in 7 days, and the only way he could save our sins was too impregnate a virgin and then allow him self to be killed? O ya and this whole universe was just for us? cuzzz were his "special" people? See what i did there? | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:46 krbz wrote: Evolution is backed by studies, experiments, statistics, and is widely verifiable by many people. Christianity is backed by nothing but a 2000 year old book. The two are not in any way comparable. You're situation is flawed. See thats an Atheists argument though. I would argue that Christianity is backed up by thousands of years of history. Evolution is a flawed aspect of science that fails to take into account divine power as a factor. (No these aren't my views, I'm just playing devil's advocate to point out a fallacy in your argument) | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:42 mastergriggy wrote: Alright I fail at quoting posts, sorry about that. But, I thought Teamliquid has a better understanding of logic, because everyone who has responded to me seems to love using logical fallacies. Tradition doesn't have anything to do if something is wrong or right. I've never said this. The issue is that person a is pissed off over the schools decision (or maybe not even pissed off, insert whatever word you want), so person a asks them not to do that. Why can't anyone answer the question I've already raised, why is it okay for the kid to get his way and the school to be forced to do something differently? It in no way broke the law, or violated any of the previously established principles. Edit: It's not unconstitutional. The school took it down for the sake of expediency, not because they were forced too. I agree that people need to focus on the issue here. Is it really Unconstitutional? I dont know and Im not really feeling like looking up the whole "separation of church and state" argument at the moment. If it is unconstitutional, you would agree that the school should have stopped their school wide prayer practices, right mastergriggy? And if it is within the limits of hte constitution, then the school really didnt have to. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:41 sermokala wrote: You mean It being written by a priest to explain how god created the universe and everything in it? What are you talking about its structure and tone? The modern theory of evolution isn't some single threat of thought about how animals developed into what we are today its been convoluted into a mess of Religious hate against god with assumptions like the big bang and carbon dating. Do you even realize how wildly inaccurate carbon dating is and how rock solid its used in "science" debates? Ok I gonna take this slow, because you are not making much sense.... You mean It being written by a priest to explain how god created the universe and everything in it? This is the content of the book in question. Ina n english class you would critically examine the content, look a the authors intentions, how are characters scripted etc. If you are trying to state that this is infact non-fiction. Then an english class is probably not the right place to discuss it. Even so you might look at how the information is structured to inform the audience. The modern theory of evolution isn't some single threat of thought about how animals developed into what we are today its been convoluted into a mess of Religious hate against god with assumptions like the big bang and carbon dating. Evolutionary theory is quite simply survival of the fittest. A small random chance of mutation in a population creates the possibility for survival pressure to weed out the less successfull individuals. This creates a concentration of successfull traits leading to a change in the species. Not sure what that has to do with god, or carbon dating for that matter. Do you even realize how wildly inaccurate carbon dating is and how rock solid its used in "science" debates? I will admit, I am no expert on carbon dating. I do know that it is based on the decay on Carbon(14) which is relatively more abundant in biological tissue than the surrounding environment. It decays at a constant rate which is used to calculate approximately when the biological tissue was formed. As to how accurate the dating are, this would depend on the statistical validity of the time frame you are looking at and I cannot comment on this. Beside it is irrlevant. Good day. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:41 IntoTheWow wrote: For attention? He contacted the principal in private. Someone leaked his name. Do you honestly believe he told no one else? | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:49 Zzoram wrote: How is that sad? It's wonderful. That we exist solely to worship our creator or be discarded into eternal torment is what's sad. What kind of father has children for the sole purpose of making them worship him? Ego much? Please stay on topic. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
doesn't really bother me or offend me in any way (I'm non-religious and even when I was younger and religious, that kinda stuff didn't necessarily offend me) sounds like he was just being a "party pooper" and kinda deserves "some" degree of mocking as any "party pooper" deserves I'm not religious at all but if I was a guest in someone's home and they wanted to pray, why wouldn't I, especially if I was an atheist. what is going to happen, is the god of atheism going to strike me with a lightning bolt for, dare I say it, letting a public prayer occur when it isn't supposed to? let the people have their fun, I wouldn't want someone objecting to me if I wanted to perform some sort of harmless short ritual in public | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:50 sermokala wrote: Its far too late for me to point out the obvious response's about radio carbon dateing but I'll just link the wiki and be done with that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating go down to calibration if your lazy. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/ And Yes I'm oursourceing my argument again If it was such a wildly accepted Theory then how come no one will allow debate other said "synthesis" Im an anthropologist so im pretty damn familiar with radiocarbon dating and its uses and limitations and your confusing calibration with being "wildly inaccurate". Now when it comes to the synthesis Darwin did not have access to the technology that allowed for DNA to be discovered and therefore no one had any real idea about the mechanisms of inheritance. Mendelian genetics and later the discovery of DNA changed that. Read some Ernst Mayr for information about the synthesis. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:29 revy wrote: I disagree with the attacks against you they are unfounded, however, how can you justify calling separation of church and state overrated? it was a pretty big deal way back when actual religious persecution was a problem it's not so much a big deal in the modern united states On May 27 2011 14:36 mastergriggy wrote: I never said that, but thanks for proving my point. whoops sorry i accidentally attributed the quote to the wrong person my bad On May 27 2011 14:36 mastergriggy wrote: Maybe you can explain to me where in the bill of rights the school has to cancel the tradition because some guy opposes it? I mean god forbid it goes both ways. first amendment separation of church and state US supreme court 1962 engel v vitale On May 27 2011 14:36 Supamang wrote: Youre unbelievable man. If people followed that advice, slavery would never have been abolished, the civil rights act would never have gone through, etc. If people just decided to hide in their corners when a strong threat passed overhead, nothing would ever change for the better. It might be "smarter" to sit back, renounce your beliefs, and go along your merry way, but if no one fights for what they believe in, how do we progress as a society? that's not true slavery is bad because the ownership of people is demeaning and inhuman furthermore it is an economically inefficient use of labor but i was speaking more generally about first amendment freedom of speech rights like some people are really too dumb to be allowed to voice their opinions it's not really relevant to this debate over religion though | ||
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rbx270j
Canada540 Posts
You think he bragged to his obviously hardcore religious parents, or what? | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:43 sermokala wrote: You think that we're all nothing but a freak accident on the uncompromisable scale of the universe? How sad. See what I did there? Actually you sort of answered you're own question. Considering the uncompromisable scale of the universe chances are there's gonna be a freak accident somewhere. | ||
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