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On May 28 2011 01:48 johanngrunt wrote:
Leave for 10 pages, original intent of the OP is completely gone.
Good job TL forumgoers.
95% of TL forum-goers are 18-24 year old walking egos with something to prove. The best part is that I can know without even reading the 45 pages of bullshit that they're all atheists, playing devil's advocate and pedantically quibbling over minutia to prove each other wrong and gain some imagined higher ground.
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On May 28 2011 02:29 Tony Campolo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:22 PBC wrote:On May 27 2011 13:43 travis wrote:
This is an example of a spot where a kid used poor decisionmaking due to a lack of wisdom. It's not always the best move to stand up and fight. Sometimes it's better to stand apart as an observer.
It's too bad he's in this situation, It would be nice if he could sue the school for having his information leaked and for this situation occuring.
P.S: It sucks that it had to become an atheist/religious issue. Durrr, atheism good, religion bad! Atheists helped him! Why can't it just be that good compassionate people helped him? so... what rosa parks did was incorrect? just sit back and let the situation happen? i believe what the kid did was admirable and correct, no matter what he thinks Admirable in principle, admirable in theory - but practically? Say Rosa Parks did what she did, then got beat up by all the white people on that bus. Would it have been worth it? O.o
Can't tell if true or trolling. You're literally saying so should never take any risks to make the world a better place.
Cowards like you need people like him to get you out of the cave.
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On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? People who don't want to pray? A single part of the religious groups called Atheism? Other religions who pray in separate ways? I want to know exactly why praying in school is/should be against the law.
Regardless of why it's illegal, the fact stands that it is illegal. If these guys are bothered that their school won't be holding a school-wide prayer anymore then they should take it to court, not punish the one guy who pointed out that it's illegal.
On May 28 2011 02:34 FecalFrown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 01:48 johanngrunt wrote:
Leave for 10 pages, original intent of the OP is completely gone.
Good job TL forumgoers. 95% of TL forum-goers are 18-24 year old walking egos with something to prove. The best part is that I can know without even reading the 45 pages of bullshit that they're all atheists, playing devil's advocate and pedantically quibbling over minutia to prove each other wrong and gain some imagined higher ground.
"I didn't read what anyone wrote, but I somehow know it's all BS and I'm going to insult everyone for it. That will make me look cool."
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On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:26 VIB wrote:On May 28 2011 02:22 PBC wrote:On May 27 2011 13:43 travis wrote:
This is an example of a spot where a kid used poor decisionmaking due to a lack of wisdom. It's not always the best move to stand up and fight. Sometimes it's better to stand apart as an observer.
It's too bad he's in this situation, It would be nice if he could sue the school for having his information leaked and for this situation occuring.
P.S: It sucks that it had to become an atheist/religious issue. Durrr, atheism good, religion bad! Atheists helped him! Why can't it just be that good compassionate people helped him? so... what rosa parks did was incorrect? just sit back and let the situation happen? i believe what the kid did was admirable and correct, no matter what he thinks This PBC guy is smarter than 90% of this thread. Secondly, this isn't the same as the Rose Parks situation. It's merely similar. You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea.
Come on man.
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On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America.
Hey guys, 1 corporation wants to fuck over it's customers because their unethical. They're right because it's the law!
Get the fuck over it. The laws are there for a reason. If you don't like it, then leave.
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On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? People who don't want to pray? A single part of the religious groups called Atheism? Other religions who pray in separate ways? I want to know exactly why praying in school is/should be against the law.
Kid's praying in school on their on volition is fine and legal, government, or school sponsored prayer promoting a certain religion certainly isn't, and if you can't see why then wow.
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On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly?
You can't be serious...
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yep and all the kiddies who are forced to worship lucifer's occult pantheist evolutionary penis through secret school indoctrination, if one of them stands up and demands the right to have a bible and prayer in school, we'll he's a terrorist
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On May 28 2011 02:36 Joementum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Hey guys, 1 corporation wants to fuck over it's customers because their unethical. They're right because it's the law! Get the fuck over it. The laws are there for a reason. If you don't like it, then leave.
You have no idea how much I'd rather not be living in America.
On May 28 2011 02:36 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? People who don't want to pray? A single part of the religious groups called Atheism? Other religions who pray in separate ways? I want to know exactly why praying in school is/should be against the law. Kid's praying in school on their on volition is fine and legal, government, or school sponsored prayer promoting a certain religion certainly isn't, and if you can't see why then wow.
So it's against the law for a school to say, "At this time we'd like everyone to pray." But it's not against the law for people to pray whenever they want in school or opt out of praying. Makes no sense to me. Now if they were directly forcing people to pray, as in, "If you don't pray you'll fail." I'd consider this law just in my own views.
On May 28 2011 02:38 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? You can't be serious...
You should stop editing what I say in quotes.
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On May 28 2011 02:34 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:29 Tony Campolo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:22 PBC wrote:On May 27 2011 13:43 travis wrote:
This is an example of a spot where a kid used poor decisionmaking due to a lack of wisdom. It's not always the best move to stand up and fight. Sometimes it's better to stand apart as an observer.
It's too bad he's in this situation, It would be nice if he could sue the school for having his information leaked and for this situation occuring.
P.S: It sucks that it had to become an atheist/religious issue. Durrr, atheism good, religion bad! Atheists helped him! Why can't it just be that good compassionate people helped him? so... what rosa parks did was incorrect? just sit back and let the situation happen? i believe what the kid did was admirable and correct, no matter what he thinks Admirable in principle, admirable in theory - but practically? Say Rosa Parks did what she did, then got beat up by all the white people on that bus. Would it have been worth it? O.o Can't tell if true or trolling. You're literally saying so should never take any risks to make the world a better place. Cowards like you need people like him to get you out of the cave.
lol, that's pretty easy to say when it's not you getting your ass beat. I think you oversimplify things to ignore his point. Why don't you read the reply I made.
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On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:
You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea Of course. You have to pick your battles. But don't you agree that in this particular case the pros outweights the cons?
- On one side is the short term financial support and a few curse words from some religious fanatics
vs
- On the other hand is improving long term freedom of choice for the whole nation
IMHO it's much closer to Rosa Sparks case than to go hand-to-hand with armed people.
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On May 28 2011 02:35 Co-lol-sus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:On May 28 2011 02:26 VIB wrote:On May 28 2011 02:22 PBC wrote:On May 27 2011 13:43 travis wrote:
This is an example of a spot where a kid used poor decisionmaking due to a lack of wisdom. It's not always the best move to stand up and fight. Sometimes it's better to stand apart as an observer.
It's too bad he's in this situation, It would be nice if he could sue the school for having his information leaked and for this situation occuring.
P.S: It sucks that it had to become an atheist/religious issue. Durrr, atheism good, religion bad! Atheists helped him! Why can't it just be that good compassionate people helped him? so... what rosa parks did was incorrect? just sit back and let the situation happen? i believe what the kid did was admirable and correct, no matter what he thinks This PBC guy is smarter than 90% of this thread. Secondly, this isn't the same as the Rose Parks situation. It's merely similar. You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea. Come on man.
wow, GREAT REPLY
seriously, thats some great contribution. ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC
is this sarcasm? we will never know!
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On May 28 2011 02:40 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:36 Joementum wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Hey guys, 1 corporation wants to fuck over it's customers because their unethical. They're right because it's the law! Get the fuck over it. The laws are there for a reason. If you don't like it, then leave. You have no idea how much I'd rather not be living in America. Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:36 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? People who don't want to pray? A single part of the religious groups called Atheism? Other religions who pray in separate ways? I want to know exactly why praying in school is/should be against the law. Kid's praying in school on their on volition is fine and legal, government, or school sponsored prayer promoting a certain religion certainly isn't, and if you can't see why then wow. So it's against the law for a school to say, "At this time we'd like everyone to pray." But it's not against the law for people to pray whenever they want in school or opt out of praying. Makes no sense to me. Now if they were directly forcing people to pray, as in, "If you don't pray you'll fail." I'd consider this law just in my own views. Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:38 Bibdy wrote:On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? You can't be serious... You should stop editing what I say in quotes.
Editing how, exactly? That's literally what you said and it says a lot. You obviously have no understanding of the world around you other than America = Christianity.
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I'm surprised the guy had the courage to stand up, I certainly would not have the courage to speak out, but thankfully I live in a liberal area so even if the majority is religious it doesn't matter.
These kind of incidents shouldn't happen but they do. Religion is inherently divisive because it plays up the morality of one group over the other. I watch an Atheist call in show called "The Atheist Experience" and the fear of being outed as an atheist seems to be a common problem they hear from callers and those who email the show. The main host Matt Dilahunty's fiance's family shuns her and him because he hosts an atheist call show so he "works for the devil." Which is of course ridiculous as atheists reject all deities and if atheists really did work for the devil you would think they would get better funding for the show.
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On May 28 2011 02:41 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:
You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea Of course. You have to pick your battles. But don't you agree that in this particular case the pros outweights the cons? - On one side is the short term financial support and a few curse words from some religious fanatics vs - On the other hand is improving long term freedom of choice for the whole nation IMHO it's much closer to Rosa Sparks case than to go hand-to-hand with armed people.
The Rosa Parks case was for another majority(Blacks) against the current majority(Whites).
This case is for a minority(Atheism) against a majority(Religion).
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I think it would have been better if the kid just drank a massive bottle of ipecac before the ceremony and when the prayer started he just began projectile vomiting over everyone. Actually that's just a scenario that made me laugh thinking about it his way was probably better/more mature. :-/
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You'd be surprised what some of the schools in the south are like. In high school I said religion was all about money and I had kids I wouldn't even expect to be Jesus-y get all on my case.
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Heavy. Tough rap. Why can't we all just get along hey. I dare say things could have been handled better on both sides but this kid definitely got the raw end of the deal.
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On May 28 2011 02:42 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:40 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:36 Joementum wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Hey guys, 1 corporation wants to fuck over it's customers because their unethical. They're right because it's the law! Get the fuck over it. The laws are there for a reason. If you don't like it, then leave. You have no idea how much I'd rather not be living in America. On May 28 2011 02:36 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? People who don't want to pray? A single part of the religious groups called Atheism? Other religions who pray in separate ways? I want to know exactly why praying in school is/should be against the law. Kid's praying in school on their on volition is fine and legal, government, or school sponsored prayer promoting a certain religion certainly isn't, and if you can't see why then wow. So it's against the law for a school to say, "At this time we'd like everyone to pray." But it's not against the law for people to pray whenever they want in school or opt out of praying. Makes no sense to me. Now if they were directly forcing people to pray, as in, "If you don't pray you'll fail." I'd consider this law just in my own views. On May 28 2011 02:38 Bibdy wrote:On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? You can't be serious... You should stop editing what I say in quotes. Editing how, exactly? That's literally what you said and it says a lot. You obviously have no understanding of the world around you other than America = Christianity.
I'm agnostic. I don't care how religion fares. I only care how the people in society fair for the time being. You edited what I say by neglecting the rest of what I said.
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On May 28 2011 02:40 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:36 Joementum wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Hey guys, 1 corporation wants to fuck over it's customers because their unethical. They're right because it's the law! Get the fuck over it. The laws are there for a reason. If you don't like it, then leave. You have no idea how much I'd rather not be living in America. Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:36 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? People who don't want to pray? A single part of the religious groups called Atheism? Other religions who pray in separate ways? I want to know exactly why praying in school is/should be against the law. Kid's praying in school on their on volition is fine and legal, government, or school sponsored prayer promoting a certain religion certainly isn't, and if you can't see why then wow. So it's against the law for a school to say, "At this time we'd like everyone to pray." But it's not against the law for people to pray whenever they want in school or opt out of praying. Makes no sense to me. Now if they were directly forcing people to pray, as in, "If you don't pray you'll fail." I'd consider this law just in my own views. Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:38 Bibdy wrote:On May 28 2011 02:33 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:29 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:27 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:24 mcc wrote:On May 28 2011 02:10 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 02:06 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 02:04 KoKoRo wrote:
I couldn't finish reading this because the article is so biased in the beginning. I'm agnostic but holy shit atheists are just as bad as the people attacking this person. I liked the part where the counselor brought up that no other atheist/agnostic/other religious person has had a problem with it then the person writing the article brought up, "he's getting attacked for what he believed in." No, he's getting attacked because there is a time and place for everything and that was neither the time nor place.
If the majority wants to prayer, they ARE in the right. Because one kid doesn't like it he was willing to report the situation to the state/government and have the entire thing locked down. What's more fucked up? The fact that an atheist, a solo person, is allowed to do this? Or the fact that a majority gets away with any of this? Personally I don't like atheists. They're a bunch of stuck up pricks who do shove their values down other peoples throats just as much as any other religious group. The ass hole could've just kept his mouth shut during prayer and not pray. Every time my school stopped class for '9/11 prayer to the lost' I just used that time to sleep for a minute. My uncle hates, literally will cause physical harm to me when nobody is looking, because I am not religious. This shit is common. We all have differences and deal with things differently. The only, ONLY, ONNNLLLYYYY thing this article brings up that's of any controversy is his parents kicking him out and disowning him.
The parents were over reacting to what their son did. But disowning him is going too far. Sweeping generalization of an entire group of people? Check Ad hominem? Check Objection to a kid reporting a clear violation of the law and constitution? Check Complete fail? Check Sweeping Generalization because it's true. Funny how that works. Objecting because he was willing to cause problems for a lot of people. Causing problems for the whole is definitely in the wrong in my views. You forgot how the prayer was illegal ? Hey guys, 1 person wants to cause problems for a lot of people. He's right because it's the law. That's America. Prayer in school causes problems, that's why there is a law against it. For who exactly? You can't be serious... You should stop editing what I say in quotes.
Because a public official for the school isn't suppose to support one religion over the other, and waste class time with that nonsense, have you ever heard of a constitution? Separation of church and state? Do you seriously not see any repercussions in supporting one kid's religious views in a class and spitting on the others? Yes that won't cause problems.
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