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On May 28 2011 02:46 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:41 VIB wrote:On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:
You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea Of course. You have to pick your battles. But don't you agree that in this particular case the pros outweights the cons? - On one side is the short term financial support and a few curse words from some religious fanatics vs - On the other hand is improving long term freedom of choice for the whole nation IMHO it's much closer to Rosa Sparks case than to go hand-to-hand with armed people. Well that's another vast oversimplification/overstatement On one side is the potential to be ostracized from your entire community (which may or may not be important to you... but having a relationship with your parents can be pretty handy) On the other side is the potential to make a small dent in regards to improving freedom of choice for the nation. And I am sure that dent was small indeed, even with all the attention this got. This isn't some kind of profoundly great oppression the kid was facing here... it was a minor contention. Well I guess it's down to a matter of opinion now  I think the potential help it can do is huge. While the cons are meh and temporary.
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On May 28 2011 03:11 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +Majority(Blacks) vs Majority(Whites) =/= Minority(Atheism) vs Majority(Religion). Blacks are a minority... They are the (or 2nd) largest minority racially, but they are still a minority. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/It's also not just one religion harassing everyone not of their religion.
Must be because I live near Detroit that I deny blacks as a minority.
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On May 28 2011 03:07 KoKoRo wrote:
Tell me, how is Atheism not a religion.
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any God. If Atheism is a Religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby and not playing soccer is a physical activity.
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As for talking to someone who isn't there and 'decision making'. Religions are following a BOOK OF GUIDELINES. Atheist choose not to follow that book and say, "I'll make them as I go and base them around the law." I dunno if you know this but most laws come from that Book made 2000 years ago.
Talking to someone who isn't there is totally optional for religion.
Tell me, how is Atheism not a religion.
Where did you get that phrase out of Atheists? Where do you see atheists "make them as I go" or "base them around the law"? Where did you get any of that? You just completely made that up.
Atheism is literally defined as "Not Theism" or "Not Religion."
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On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum.
re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun
1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point.
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On May 28 2011 02:46 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:41 VIB wrote:On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:
You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea Of course. You have to pick your battles. But don't you agree that in this particular case the pros outweights the cons? - On one side is the short term financial support and a few curse words from some religious fanatics vs - On the other hand is improving long term freedom of choice for the whole nation IMHO it's much closer to Rosa Sparks case than to go hand-to-hand with armed people. Well that's another vast oversimplification/overstatement On one side is the potential to be ostracized from your entire community (which may or may not be important to you... but having a relationship with your parents can be pretty handy) On the other side is the potential to make a small dent in regards to improving freedom of choice for the nation. And I am sure that dent was small indeed, even with all the attention this got. This isn't some kind of profoundly great oppression the kid was facing here... it was a minor contention.
It's not a big deal to be ostracized by people you already don't seem to mesh with. Parents included. I think family's important, but some people in my family also have behaved like children and cut themselves off. Throwing out your son - well, I certainly don't know their entire domestic situation, but this isn't 1970s Detroit. It seems childish that you would ever get to a situation where you (apparently in anger) disown life that you spawned. Basically, I don't think a few social inconveniences are enough to activate the alarm bells that this was an obvious bad decision.
As for the gang example: well, this is tangential, but these days I try not to think too much of my place. Dying a little bit young might be better than returning to diapers in senility. Perhaps clearer, dying in the middle of a virtuous deed might be better than having to reminisce on a life of cowardly inaction. It's possible to go either way, but I can't say I'd regret being stabbed to death in the struggle against scum. Particularly since I wouldn't be capable of feeling anything, having given up the spark in a petry dish which was my corporeal life.
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On May 28 2011 03:07 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:54 DamnCats wrote:they still follow the same guidelines as a religion They talk to people who aren't there, give money to people who say they talk to people who aren't there, and base all their life decisions on a book that was written by a man 2000 years ago? No, no I think you might actually be horribly incorrect, sir. That's not what a religion guideline is at all. The money they give obviously goes to maintaining the Church which would otherwise decay over time.
Now you're just being ignorant. Christianity is one of the biggest, if not biggest, corporation in the world. You can deny it all you want, but it's true. The Pope has more power and money than most countries on Earth do.
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On May 28 2011 03:14 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:11 BlackMagister wrote:Majority(Blacks) vs Majority(Whites) =/= Minority(Atheism) vs Majority(Religion). Blacks are a minority... They are the (or 2nd) largest minority racially, but they are still a minority. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/It's also not just one religion harassing everyone not of their religion. Must be because I live near Detroit that I deny blacks as a minority.
No one in this thread has echoed a word of your senseless babble, and according to you majority>minority, so why is 1 person ruining it for us bro?
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On May 28 2011 03:14 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:11 BlackMagister wrote:Majority(Blacks) vs Majority(Whites) =/= Minority(Atheism) vs Majority(Religion). Blacks are a minority... They are the (or 2nd) largest minority racially, but they are still a minority. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/It's also not just one religion harassing everyone not of their religion. Must be because I live near Detroit that I deny blacks as a minority.
Like I said in an edited post " Minority group means "singled our for unequal treatment." It really doesn't matter that there are lot of blacks, if a group is treated differently and unfairly then by sociological thought they are a minority. Which is why being a women can be considered a minority status too because they are treated worse than the group in power.
If the students want to pray let them, if the school wants to make the students pray then there is a problem. This pushing one religion and is alienating all others, those of others religion and those without religion. If this was a Muslim prayer it definitely would not be allowed.
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On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point.
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
On May 28 2011 03:18 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:14 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:11 BlackMagister wrote:Majority(Blacks) vs Majority(Whites) =/= Minority(Atheism) vs Majority(Religion). Blacks are a minority... They are the (or 2nd) largest minority racially, but they are still a minority. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/It's also not just one religion harassing everyone not of their religion. Must be because I live near Detroit that I deny blacks as a minority. No one in this thread has echoed a word of your senseless babble, and according to you majority>minority, so why is 1 person ruining it for us bro?
You should go back a couple pages. Someone quoted what I said as truth. Dunno if that counts as being echoed.
You also seem to have proven my "Atheists start shit" proposal.
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People need to remember that he threatened to get the prayer cancelled because it is against the fucking law.
There are entirely too many people in here saying, "He's a jackass." "He got what he deserved." "He should've known better than to challenge something that is important to a community."
Excuse me? I didn't know it was ok to just sit back and allow a group of people (no matter if they're the majority or not) to break a law - and this is a blatant and unarguable breach of the law we're talking about.
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Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What?
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Secondly, this isn't the same as the Rose Parks situation. It's merely similar. The levels of oppression clearly aren't even in the same league.
When you are oppressed it is a significant thing to you. Others (mainly the oppressors or the indifferent parties) can look on and say that the level of oppression is not really a lot so lets not rock the boat.
But to the people who are being oppressed it is incredibly painful.
Think about it. Is it so bad that gay people can't get married? Or is it so bad that the japanese had to live in internment camps or that muslims are unfairly targeted in airport security lines or kicked off from planes.
None of these things are gas chamber terrible. But when it happens to you or people you love they are meaningful and if we can we should raise our voices against even these minor oppressions.
Incidentally what was so bad about the way blacks were treated in the time of Rosa Parks? So what if you can't sit in the front of a bus or drink from the same water fountain or go to the same school or run for president. Blacks were allowed to vote right? There was no more slavery right? I bet you money that white people in that era said exactly what you are saying - why make trouble for everyone, the problems are so small.
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On May 28 2011 03:14 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:46 travis wrote:On May 28 2011 02:41 VIB wrote:On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:
You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea Of course. You have to pick your battles. But don't you agree that in this particular case the pros outweights the cons? - On one side is the short term financial support and a few curse words from some religious fanatics vs - On the other hand is improving long term freedom of choice for the whole nation IMHO it's much closer to Rosa Sparks case than to go hand-to-hand with armed people. Well that's another vast oversimplification/overstatement On one side is the potential to be ostracized from your entire community (which may or may not be important to you... but having a relationship with your parents can be pretty handy) On the other side is the potential to make a small dent in regards to improving freedom of choice for the nation. And I am sure that dent was small indeed, even with all the attention this got. This isn't some kind of profoundly great oppression the kid was facing here... it was a minor contention. Well I guess it's down to a matter of opinion now I think the potential help it can do is huge. While the cons are meh and temporary.
It's all a matter of perspective and it's all relative. I can't argue with that, and I don't really know.
oBlade, respectably put
(I don't necessarily agree with it as I think having my life is pretty important, but I still think it's respectable)
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On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What?
They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't.
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Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion.
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On May 28 2011 03:20 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point. Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:18 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:14 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:11 BlackMagister wrote:Majority(Blacks) vs Majority(Whites) =/= Minority(Atheism) vs Majority(Religion). Blacks are a minority... They are the (or 2nd) largest minority racially, but they are still a minority. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/It's also not just one religion harassing everyone not of their religion. Must be because I live near Detroit that I deny blacks as a minority. No one in this thread has echoed a word of your senseless babble, and according to you majority>minority, so why is 1 person ruining it for us bro? You should go back a couple pages. Someone quoted what I said as truth. Dunno if that counts as being echoed. You also seem to have proven my "Atheists start shit" proposal.
You do realize that you're the one that's been starting shit the entire time, right? Your proposal was that the Minority (Atheists) start shit against others, but in this thread it's been you (Agnostic Minority) starting shit against an Atheistic Majority. Don't confuse yourself.
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On May 28 2011 03:25 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What? They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't.
Yeah, but that still doesn't make them a religion... If you include all groups with your vague definition then Twilight fangirls are a religion.
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On May 28 2011 03:20 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point. Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:18 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:14 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:11 BlackMagister wrote:Majority(Blacks) vs Majority(Whites) =/= Minority(Atheism) vs Majority(Religion). Blacks are a minority... They are the (or 2nd) largest minority racially, but they are still a minority. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/It's also not just one religion harassing everyone not of their religion. Must be because I live near Detroit that I deny blacks as a minority. No one in this thread has echoed a word of your senseless babble, and according to you majority>minority, so why is 1 person ruining it for us bro? You should go back a couple pages. Someone quoted what I said as truth. Dunno if that counts as being echoed. You also seem to have proven my "Atheists start shit" proposal.
Look, I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, but even if all atheists were complete jerks that has nothing to do with the definition of religion. Your whole post is a non sequitur.
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On May 28 2011 03:25 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What? They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't.
Except going to churches/synagogues/mosques, praying, and belief in a supernatural power I agree. Atheists are just like religious people other than those things.
This is really confusing. You seem to be defining religion by all the horrible stuff that religion does. And yet you're defending religion? I'm just really confused about what you're trying to say. Is it just "Atheists are fucking assholes and I'm sick of hearing about them"? Because just because some atheists are jerks doesn't mean all of them are, and I'm sorry that you've gotten such a bad impression of them.
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