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On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion.
Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting.
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On May 28 2011 03:20 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point. Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Atheists believe in science, logic, etc., which is fundamentally different from a belief in the supernatural (I hope you don't need an explanation for that too). At this point you're just saying that you dislike both religion and atheism so they must be same thing.
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On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting. They have, you just haven't understood 
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On May 28 2011 02:43 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 02:41 VIB wrote:On May 28 2011 02:32 travis wrote:
You're in the right when you try to stop a bunch of gang members from beating up some guy on the street, but when they knife you and you die - guess what - it may not have been a good idea Of course. You have to pick your battles. But don't you agree that in this particular case the pros outweights the cons? - On one side is the short term financial support and a few curse words from some religious fanatics vs - On the other hand is improving long term freedom of choice for the whole nation IMHO it's much closer to Rosa Sparks case than to go hand-to-hand with armed people. The Rosa Parks case was for another majority(Blacks) against the current majority(Whites). This case is for a minority(Atheism) against a majority(Religion).
Say what now? Blacks were a minority in the 60s and still are. Whites were a majority in the 60s and still are.
Infact I'd say that the percentage of Americans who are not rah rah christians is higher than the percentage of blacks in the US.
Looking at CIA world fact book the percentage of non-christians is much higher
(21.6 % non christians vs 12.85% blacks).
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On May 28 2011 03:07 KoKoRo wrote:
As for talking to someone who isn't there and 'decision making'. Religions are following a BOOK OF GUIDELINES. Atheist choose not to follow that book and say, "I'll make them as I go and base them around the law." I dunno if you know this but most laws come from that Book made 2000 years ago.
This is really tired, but I can't resist doing a set with the intellectual 2 pound dumbbell. The bible is a compendium of different works in different genres (obvious if you've ever opened it) written over a span of centuries. Think about how much the world has changed since you were a child (if I took cheap shots, I would say not much). Now imagine how much it might change over centuries. Do you think that human thought is stuck at the time of when the most recent book of the new testament was penned?
Perhaps better, do you think nobody had civilization before the Hebrew myths were codified? The Roman Republic? Greece? Whence did these people derive their laws? Do you think the textbook for an ethics class at a university is the old testament? Have you ever heard of any moral philosopher?
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On May 28 2011 03:25 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What? They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't.
Atheism isn't a religion. Not all atheist try to force their views down others throats in the same way not all Christians/Muslims/Hindu/Buddhist do. If your definition of religion when a group of people "force their views down the throats of people" then can't you call academics a religion? or the gay rights movement? or the abortion debate? or pretty much anything when some group tries to force their beliefs on someone else (aka all of politics).
The definition of religion is a set of beliefs committed to the service and faith of God and/or the supernatural. Atheism is the exact opposite. In fact, if you go to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, atheist is listed as an antonym. You're simply arguing semantics here and it's not only pointless, but it's unresolvable.
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On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting.
Ok maybe we should put it this way. Is Agnosticism a religion? If not why?
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On May 28 2011 03:27 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:25 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What? They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't. Except going to churches/synagogues/mosques, praying, and belief in a supernatural power I agree. Atheists are just like religious people other than those things.This is really confusing. You seem to be defining religion by all the horrible stuff that religion does. And yet you're defending religion? I'm just really confused about what you're trying to say. Is it just "Atheists are fucking assholes and I'm sick of hearing about them"? Because just because some atheists are jerks doesn't mean all of them are, and I'm sorry that you've gotten such a bad impression of them.
The bold part sums up what I'm trying to say.
It's because I'm agnostic. I'm for and against believing there is a God if I am presented proof. As Atheists see as a, "There is no God because there is no proof." and Religious people see it as, "There is a God because there is no proof that is isn't a God."
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On May 28 2011 03:29 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:20 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point. Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Atheists believe in science, logic, etc., which is fundamentally different from a belief in the supernatural (I hope you don't need an explanation for that too). At this point you're just saying that you dislike both religion and atheism so they must be same thing.
No, that's not true either. Atheists don't necessarily believe in science and logic. Atheists can be fucking crazy people who want to kill everyone for the benefit of mankind or something. It doesn't matter. All atheism means is that you don't believe in god. It has nothing to do with science or logic. Religion is not mutually exclusive with science and logic.
It's because I'm agnostic. I'm for and against believing there is a God if I am presented proof. As Atheists see as a, "There is no God because there is no proof." and Religious people see it as, "There is a God because there is no proof that is isn't a God."
Holy crap, man, and you're saying atheists are the ones starting shit? You're telling atheists that they're a religion on an internet forum and arguing with a bunch of people you don't know.
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On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting.
You're on the wrong end of the burden of proof. You have to prove first that atheism is a religion, then we can deny your claims. You haven't done that in the slightest. It sounds like you're merely a bit enraged by some friend that found a new way of life that isn't the same as yours.
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On May 28 2011 03:29 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:20 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point. Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Atheists believe in science, logic, etc., which is fundamentally different from a belief in the supernatural (I hope you don't need an explanation for that too). At this point you're just saying that you dislike both religion and atheism so they must be same thing.
That's not necessarily true at all. Atheists just don't believe in the existence of God.
Atheism has nothing to do with science and logic, there just tends to be a correlation between people who claim to be Atheist and people who claim to be followers of science/logic.
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On May 28 2011 03:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:29 synapse wrote:On May 28 2011 03:20 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:15 Olinim wrote:On May 28 2011 03:12 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:10 Olinim wrote:
Atheism is a religion in the same way not playing guitar is a hobby. The only thing you can assume about me when I say I'm an atheist is that I lack a belief in deities. Atheism has no established dogma, no rules, what you're basically saying is that a lack of a belief is a belief system which is freaking hilarious. Opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. re·li·gion/riˈlijən/Noun 1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Yeah that describes atheism alright. You are laughable at this point. Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Atheists believe in science, logic, etc., which is fundamentally different from a belief in the supernatural (I hope you don't need an explanation for that too). At this point you're just saying that you dislike both religion and atheism so they must be same thing. That's not necessarily true at all. Atheists just don't believe in the existence of God. Atheism has nothing to do with science and logic, there just tends to be a correlation between people who claim to be Atheist and people who claim to be follows of science/logic.
The vast majority of atheists don't believe in God because they follow science/logic but I do see your point.
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On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion Read a little into it. Irreligion includes atheism.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion?show=0&t=1306521196 Definition of religion. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism Atheism does not fall into this category.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion Another definition of religion. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism Yet again, Atheism doesn't fall into the category of religion.
Atheism doesn't worship any form of deity and doesn't promote any kind of moral/ethical code and doesn't support any once explanation for things. Atheism is simply not believing in a deity (and it is also understood to mean that one doesn't believe in a religion).
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On May 28 2011 03:33 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:27 DoubleReed wrote:On May 28 2011 03:25 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What? They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't. Except going to churches/synagogues/mosques, praying, and belief in a supernatural power I agree. Atheists are just like religious people other than those things.This is really confusing. You seem to be defining religion by all the horrible stuff that religion does. And yet you're defending religion? I'm just really confused about what you're trying to say. Is it just "Atheists are fucking assholes and I'm sick of hearing about them"? Because just because some atheists are jerks doesn't mean all of them are, and I'm sorry that you've gotten such a bad impression of them. The bold part sums up what I'm trying to say. It's because I'm agnostic. I'm for and against believing there is a God if I am presented proof. As Atheists see as a, "There is no God because there is no proof." and Religious people see it as, "There is a God because there is no proof that is isn't a God."
Yet the exceptions in that statement are the only thing in the definition of a religion. Rofl.
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On May 28 2011 03:32 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting. Ok maybe we should put it this way. Is Agnosticism a religion? If not why?
It is not a religion because it is a group of people who can be swayed into believing or not believing.
As I said, opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. Agnostic would be on the outside looking in.
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im pretty sure Christians believe in science and logic too. saying that atheists are the only believers in science and logic is basically saying every religion is illogical; which, while you might think is true, is kind of insulting to every religious person.
atheists believe that the world was always in existence and there was never a creator or 'God'. Science and logic doesnt really define the belief.
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On May 28 2011 03:33 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:27 DoubleReed wrote:On May 28 2011 03:25 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:23 DoubleReed wrote:Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me? Uhm. Atheism is a religion because a lot of them are jerks? What? They do just about everything a normal religion would do. They just want to be special and say they aren't. Except going to churches/synagogues/mosques, praying, and belief in a supernatural power I agree. Atheists are just like religious people other than those things.This is really confusing. You seem to be defining religion by all the horrible stuff that religion does. And yet you're defending religion? I'm just really confused about what you're trying to say. Is it just "Atheists are fucking assholes and I'm sick of hearing about them"? Because just because some atheists are jerks doesn't mean all of them are, and I'm sorry that you've gotten such a bad impression of them. The bold part sums up what I'm trying to say. It's because I'm agnostic. I'm for and against believing there is a God if I am presented proof. As Atheists see as a, "There is no reason to believe God exists because there has never been a convincing argument that God exists." and Religious people see it as, "There is a God because there is no proof that is isn't a God."
The underlined is a much more accurate statement of atheism, I'd say.
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On May 28 2011 03:37 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:32 BlackMagister wrote:On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting. Ok maybe we should put it this way. Is Agnosticism a religion? If not why? It is not a religion because it is a group of people who can be swayed into believing or not believing. As I said, opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. Agnostic would be on the outside looking in.
You literally just have no clue what the actual definition of a religion is. You've defined it yourself (being completely incorrect) and are now throwing around the label.
im pretty sure Christians believe in science and logic too. saying that atheists are the only believers in science and logic is basically saying every religion is illogical; which, while you might think is true, is kind of insulting to every religious person.
atheists believe that the world was always in existence and there was never a creator or 'God'. Science and logic doesnt really define the belief.
No, Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity (or religion as we've come to understand it). It means nothing else.
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On May 28 2011 03:37 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:32 BlackMagister wrote:On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting. Ok maybe we should put it this way. Is Agnosticism a religion? If not why? It is not a religion because it is a group of people who can be swayed into believing or not believing. As I said, opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. Agnostic would be on the outside looking in.
Dude...the definition of atheism is the complete lack of religion. You're freaking arguing semantics with a dictionary of your own making.
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On May 28 2011 03:37 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:32 BlackMagister wrote:On May 28 2011 03:28 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Atheists deny Gods like they deny the fact they're a religion. I find that laughable too. I'll start believing Atheists aren't a religion when they stop forcing their views down the throats of people who are religious. Especially that Amazing Atheist guy on Youtube which my Atheist friend forces me to watch every time I come over. Does he piss you Atheists off as much as he does to me?
Just because you completely fail to understand the definition of "religion" and therefore use the term incorrectly doesn't mean that Atheism is a religion. Atheists still haven't proven to me why it's not a religion. All I've gotten so far was a, "Atheism isn't a religion like not doing something is doing something." Basically vocal Atheists just don't want to be considered crazy is all I'm getting. Ok maybe we should put it this way. Is Agnosticism a religion? If not why? It is not a religion because it is a group of people who can be swayed into believing or not believing. As I said, opposite ends of the spectrum are still in the same spectrum. Agnostic would be on the outside looking in.
Seriously. You can't even comprehend a definition. Atheists could be swayed into believing/vice versa for theists so yet again this makes no sense.
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