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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 08 2011 12:12 GMT
#1321
On April 08 2011 21:09 MoltkeWarding wrote:
How is it that four out of seven people voted for 288, yet two-thirds voted for the 1/(2*x) interpretation of 1/2x when the two readings are mutually exclusive?

As of the present, there are more votes for 1/(2*x) than for 2! Which merely suggest that a large number of you flip-flopped on your flippant certainties.

That's pretty funny too. I would love to hear from one of the guys who voted on 288 and 1/(2*x) how did they come to it ^^
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Khyrandor
Profile Joined February 2009
Czech Republic158 Posts
April 08 2011 12:14 GMT
#1322
On April 08 2011 21:09 MoltkeWarding wrote:
How is it that four out of seven people voted for 288, yet two-thirds voted for the 1/(2*x) interpretation of 1/2x when the two readings are mutually exclusive?

As of the present, there are more votes for 1/(2*x) than for 2! Which merely suggest that a large number of you flip-flopped on your flippant certainties.


I was just going to type something like this
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theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 12:14:59
April 08 2011 12:14 GMT
#1323
It seems to me what is interesting isn't so much which is the 'right' answer but how inconsistent people are being.

If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.

Then you should also parse the second question 1/2x as (1/2)*x.

However, it seems the majority of people are answering 288 for the first question but 1/(2*x) for the second.

You can't defend both positions.

(I answered 2 and 1/(2*x) which is technically wrong but at least consistent.)

Edit: ok some people beat me to it.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 08 2011 12:17 GMT
#1324
On April 08 2011 21:14 theSAiNT wrote:
If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.
You're being inconsistent too. 48/2*(9+3) is just as ambiguous and could mean either 2 or 288 just like the original form

I think that if we are gonna learn something here today is to please just use the parenthesis to make yourself clear!
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Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
April 08 2011 12:18 GMT
#1325
On April 08 2011 21:14 theSAiNT wrote:
It seems to me what is interesting isn't so much which is the 'right' answer but how inconsistent people are being.

If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.

Then you should also parse the second question 1/2x as (1/2)*x.

However, it seems the majority of people are answering 288 for the first question but 1/(2*x) for the second.

You can't defend both positions.

(I answered 2 and 1/(2*x) which is technically wrong but at least consistent.)

Edit: ok some people beat me to it.


I usually take variables as applying to the number immediately preceding it. 9 + 3 isn't a variable, so I assume that it is just a multiplied term on the end. I'd interpret 1/x2 as 1/x * 2, but 1/2x as 1/(2*x).

I think its just a byproduct of how I was taught algebra.
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Danjoh
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden405 Posts
April 08 2011 12:19 GMT
#1326
Tbh, I answered 2, but when it came to the 1/2x question, I got confused, so I'm not sure what I voted on that.

I'm guessing there's more people that tried to calculate the first question, and guess the other one.
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
April 08 2011 12:20 GMT
#1327
The first one is fucking stupid, aren't both just right? Second I did 1/(2*x). Just made more sense to me.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
April 08 2011 12:20 GMT
#1328
This thread makes me want to kill myself, and bring every single one of you with me
gix_
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany28 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 12:27:53
April 08 2011 12:21 GMT
#1329
On April 08 2011 20:42 DarQraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 20:28 gix_ wrote:
The vinculum is a horizontal bar used to group things together (like repeating fractions, the horizontal part of a radical, conjugation of a complex number or in boolean algebra for negation). It's not the fraction bar.


Wiki says otherwise.

No it does not. The article about vinculum does not mention fractions (see also http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Vinculum.html).
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
April 08 2011 12:22 GMT
#1330
On April 08 2011 21:17 VIB wrote:
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On April 08 2011 21:14 theSAiNT wrote:
If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.
You're being inconsistent too. 48/2*(9+3) is just as ambiguous and could mean either 2 or 288 just like the original form


No it's not. 48/2*(9+3) unambiguously = 288.

The ambiguity in the first question is if you take 48/2(9+3) to mean 48/(2*(9+3)).
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
April 08 2011 12:27 GMT
#1331
48/2(9+3)=(48/2)*(9+3)=(24)*(12)=288

1/2x=(1/2)*x=x/2

If we want to use the same argumentation. The problem with the second one is that it's extremely ambiguous, I don't think I ever saw it written like that. -_-
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 08 2011 12:29 GMT
#1332
On April 08 2011 21:22 theSAiNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 21:17 VIB wrote:
On April 08 2011 21:14 theSAiNT wrote:
If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.
You're being inconsistent too. 48/2*(9+3) is just as ambiguous and could mean either 2 or 288 just like the original form


No it's not. 48/2*(9+3) unambiguously = 288.

The ambiguity in the first question is if you take 48/2(9+3) to mean 48/(2*(9+3)).
48/2*(9+3) can mean 48/(2*(9+3)) too. The / sign is the problem, you cannot be sure where the denominators are. If you want a 288 you just type (48/2)*(9+3) and then you go, no ambiguity.

48/2(9+3) = 48/2*(9+3) = ambiguous = 2 or 288

(48/2)*(9+3) = 288

48/(2*(9+3)) = 2
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 12:32:51
April 08 2011 12:29 GMT
#1333
On April 08 2011 21:06 Adeeler wrote:
2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/ks3bitesize/maths/number/order_operation/revise2.shtml

BIDMAS - Brackets, Indices, Division and Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction

This is simple for programmers as you always know brackets come first.


If you know brackets come first the answer is still 288. There is no way to get 2 following order of operations.

48/2(9+3) = 48/2(12) = 24(12) = 288


On April 08 2011 21:29 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 21:22 theSAiNT wrote:
On April 08 2011 21:17 VIB wrote:
On April 08 2011 21:14 theSAiNT wrote:
If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.
You're being inconsistent too. 48/2*(9+3) is just as ambiguous and could mean either 2 or 288 just like the original form


No it's not. 48/2*(9+3) unambiguously = 288.

The ambiguity in the first question is if you take 48/2(9+3) to mean 48/(2*(9+3)).
48/2*(9+3) can mean 48/(2*(9+3)) too. The / sign is the problem, you cannot be sure where the denominators are. If you want a 288 you just type (48/2)*(9+3) and then you go, no ambiguity.

48/2(9+3) = 48/2*(9+3) = ambiguous = 2 or 288

(48/2)*(9+3) = 288

48/(2*(9+3)) = 2


It's not ambiguous. If it's just a plain division sign with no parenthesis in the denominator it's just 48/2 as your first term. If it had parenthesis around (2(9+3)) then you'd be correct. Since it doesn't you shouldn't assume there might be an implied parenthesis. The case is very clear.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4756 Posts
April 08 2011 12:30 GMT
#1334
On April 08 2011 21:12 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 21:09 MoltkeWarding wrote:
How is it that four out of seven people voted for 288, yet two-thirds voted for the 1/(2*x) interpretation of 1/2x when the two readings are mutually exclusive?

As of the present, there are more votes for 1/(2*x) than for 2! Which merely suggest that a large number of you flip-flopped on your flippant certainties.

That's pretty funny too. I would love to hear from one of the guys who voted on 288 and 1/(2*x) how did they come to it ^^



That would be me for example, i suppose the reasoning is that if You work a lot with functions You tend to cluster numbers and letters togther and treat them as single entity. Well they are not single entity but same part of equation, at least for some purposes. Like in

5x^2+7x-2=0

just a strange brain thingie i suppose.
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Deleted User 45971
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
533 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 12:39:09
April 08 2011 12:32 GMT
#1335
On April 08 2011 21:22 theSAiNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 21:17 VIB wrote:
On April 08 2011 21:14 theSAiNT wrote:
If you parse the first question 48÷2(9+3) as 48/2*(9+3) you get 288.
You're being inconsistent too. 48/2*(9+3) is just as ambiguous and could mean either 2 or 288 just like the original form


No it's not. 48/2*(9+3) unambiguously = 288.

The ambiguity in the first question is if you take 48/2(9+3) to mean 48/(2*(9+3)).


But since there aren't any second parenthesises(sp?) we cannot justify parsing it as if it had and we have to parse it like your first example.

I'll admit I did parse it so I calculated 2 but that was only because I did the automatic 2(x+y)=2x+2y calculation like I've learned in school, looking closer at it I realize I was wrong and I don't see any ambiguity in it any more.
spydR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia243 Posts
April 08 2011 12:32 GMT
#1336
Awesome thread. It's definitely 288.

(Just realized theSAiNT just said exactly the same thing).

People are confusing themselves by performing BIMDAS (or BODMAS depending on where you studied) incorrectly.

48/2(9+3) is:

THE SAME as 48/2*(3+9)
DIFFERENT to 48/(2*(3+9))

Because multiplication and division have the same precedence, you could legitimately rewrite the expression as:

(9+3)*48/2. This has absolutely no ambiguity, simply because of the way it's written. Remember that 2(9+3) is simply a short hand that eliminates the need to write the multiplier.

Distributive laws would ONLY come into effect in the second expression, requiring precedence provided by the outer layer of brackets.
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xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 12:35:52
April 08 2011 12:34 GMT
#1337
48÷2(9+3)
Left to right since brackets are elim. 48/2*12
24 * (12) = 288

i think some people misread the problem as this:

48
---------
2(9+3)

therefore getting answer 2.

I'm not sure but if isnt there a rule into solving equations through fraction or some other expressions and wouldnt it be listed in the question itself? like if the question is placed as a fraction then yes, you solve it via fraction but if the question is listed as an equation like that you have to strictly follow it?
college student here ^^
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vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
April 08 2011 12:40 GMT
#1338
On April 08 2011 21:34 xza wrote:
48÷2(9+3)
Left to right since brackets are elim. 48/2*12
24 * (12) = 288

i think some people misread the problem as this:

48
---------
2(9+3)

therefore getting answer 2.

I'm not sure but if isnt there a rule into solving equations through fraction or some other expressions and wouldnt it be listed in the question itself? like if the question is placed as a fraction then yes, you solve it via fraction but if the question is listed as an equation like that you have to strictly follow it?
college student here ^^

I read maths until I was 17, and yeah I did read it as your example at first. After reading a few comments I felt dumb though, it's like basic 6th grade shit. Only problem is that not ONCE in my entire fucking life have I had this kind of math problem.

I doubt you'd ever see anything like this in any exam.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
April 08 2011 12:40 GMT
#1339
Someone stab me - I answered 2.
Damn I'm even an Engineering Major, oh well, I rely on my calculator too much and I took this one for granted.
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fizzgig_
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden162 Posts
April 08 2011 12:43 GMT
#1340
for the dutchies: oldskool (the original meneer van dale wacht op antwoord) the answer is 2, newskool is 288.

Also: implied multiplications are always tricky.
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