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Ah yes, blaming the victim. That makes a lot of sense.
Too bad most rape cases are more a question of control, domination and submission of the woman that excites the male and not the idea of sexual temptation.
Additionally, telling people how to dress to avoid become a victim is illogical and commonly used in courts (and it works, unfortunately).
Another good line people argue is that "victims should not walk outside alone late at night". This comes with the misconception that most rapes occur from strangers in dark alley, which isn't true. Most rape cases occur from people we are familiar with, like stalking, by people we usually go on a date with (date-rape) and it can occur anywhere, anytime.
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if i were gonna rape, i would deff pick a hot slut over some fat chick. Think about it would you rather fuck a pornstar or the lunch lady??? that being said im not a rapist so maybe convenience is a huge factor or something? maybe something like a vegas hooker would be both hot and convenient (if your in vegas).
Look at it this way, walking to class you see some hot skank and you think to yourself "i would fuck that bitch soooo hard". You see some ugly fat bitch and think "man that was a hard lecture" . . .
She doesnt have to be ugly and/or fat so much as not visually stimulating, and sluts are hot. Thats life.
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On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for?
power
being fucked upa nd wanting to bring someone else down to your level
maybe you were abused as a child, see someone who you think lives too easy a life and want to have them know how you feel
the idea that looks and attractiveness factors into rapes is an absurdity
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On April 05 2011 03:56 methematics wrote:
if i were gonna rape, i would deff pick a hot slut over some fat chick. Think about it would you rather fuck a pornstar or the lunch lady??? that being said im not a rapist so maybe convenience is a huge factor or something? maybe something like a vegas hooker would be both hot and convenient (if your in vegas).
Look at it this way, walking to class you see some hot skank and you think to yourself "i would fuck that bitch soooo hard". You see some ugly fat bitch and think "man that was a hard lecture" . . .
She doesnt have to be ugly and/or fat so much as not visually stimulating, and sluts are hot. Thats life.
you would pick a slut over some innocent cute 20 y/o?
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On April 05 2011 03:38 N.geNuity wrote:
I don't have a citation for these, but at my university the health department at least advertise that 90% of all campus rapes occur when assailant, victim or both have been using alcohol, and cite some study of "3303 urine samples collected from women who believed they were raped after being drugged 61.3 % positive for some substance with 67.0% alcohol 30.3% marijuana."
I'm not 100% sure what to make of this, but it sounds more like people are getting high or drunk, having "consentual" sex with equally high or drunk men, then waking up and assuming they were drugged and raped. Something I've definitely heard of happening at my college is guys getting their lives ruined and being tagged as rapists for doing things just as stupid and irresponsible as the people they're accused of assaulting. I wonder at what portion of these cases where people believed they were raped were actually concluded with real charges.
Either way, obviously promiscuity shouldn't be a huge factor in rape cases where the victim knows the perpetrator, but I think, by far, the more "scary" cases are were it comes from a stranger. These are the violent ones that you hear about on the news, and these are also the cases where you hear the guilty using excuses like promiscuity. If any rational person was going to try to see if there was a link between dress and sexual assault, you'd have to cut out the majority of cases and see what you got, then.
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On April 05 2011 03:38 N.geNuity wrote:
I'm astonished at the lack of people's ability to go to wikipedia in this thread.
So, with regards to the "70%" know their victims, wikipedia at least cites this for a US statistic: "Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 31% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 27% in the victims' homes and 10% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7% occur at parties, 7% in vehicles, 4% outdoors and 2% in bars". I cite this because it's kind of more relevant--a person is not forced into a home. They plan to go to a person's home. And going to someone's home really implies more knowledge about someone than if, say, women were all raped at parties ("yeah, I knew him because I met him ONE time at this bar").
I don't have a citation for these, but at my university the health department at least advertise that 90% of all campus rapes occur when assailant, victim or both have been using alcohol, and cite some study of "3303 urine samples collected from women who believed they were raped after being drugged
61.3 % positive for some substance with 67.0% alcohol 30.3% marijuana."
So really, instead of saying "oh yeah it makes sense", half of an effort on wikipedia really suggests two things:
1) provocative dressing does not really encourage it. Vast majority rapes occur at a person's home or a party (presumably in a home of some sort) and most women say they knew the assailant beforehand (again from wikipedia). You're inside someone's home: maybe you are dressed like a slut, but you really shouldn't blame the victim for perhaps dressing slutty if they are in a home of someone they know and (hypothetically) trust.
2) alcohol is largest contributing factor to rape attempts/successful rapes.
You've misinterpreted the stats. Let's look at the campus rapes first. 41% of rapes occur under the influence of alcohol. 100% of these might have been dressed provocatively, or 1% of them might have been. There is no evidence here to indicate whether dress makes any difference.
13% of rapes (bars, outdoors and at parties) are places where you'd expect people to be dressed provocatively. You have no idea how many of these rapes in these places were because of dress. Provocatively dressing could increase rapes 10000% in these places. You don't know because you haven't given any evidence either way.
You've jumped to conclusions that are not even based on the evidence you've presented.
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On April 05 2011 03:56 Gene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? power
Bingo, it's a question of power, and not sexual restraint.
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On April 05 2011 03:57 Gene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:56 methematics wrote:
if i were gonna rape, i would deff pick a hot slut over some fat chick. Think about it would you rather fuck a pornstar or the lunch lady??? that being said im not a rapist so maybe convenience is a huge factor or something? maybe something like a vegas hooker would be both hot and convenient (if your in vegas).
Look at it this way, walking to class you see some hot skank and you think to yourself "i would fuck that bitch soooo hard". You see some ugly fat bitch and think "man that was a hard lecture" . . .
She doesnt have to be ugly and/or fat so much as not visually stimulating, and sluts are hot. Thats life. you would pick a slut over some innocent cute 20 y/o?
Oh hell ya, some tight miniskirt and tits bouncing up and down is way hotter then some conservative-looking 20 year old. Obviously the slut can be blue iris, or some other granny, but anywhere from 17-39 seems reasonable.
God i feel like a rapist now. . but you asked my opinion.
*edit* actually since rape is about power, maybe the rapist would prefer innocence? i dont know, i just know thats what id do and im NOT a rapist, except in sc2 where i rape people all day long
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the fact is a rapists motivations are much more often purely psychological, and so their victims physical appearance is much less relevant as is everything else about her.
*quote moltke's list of reasons he would marry a woman*
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Rape is commited by many differernt kinds of people for many different reasons. The feminist perspective centers on male agression and violence, traditionally clinicians treat it as a form of sexual deviance, Infact in the DSM-IV-TR rape was being considered to be listed under the paraphilias. Current efforts try to divide these sexual offenders into 2 catagories, those who are motivated primarly by deviant sexual fantasy's verses those who are motivated by anger and violence.
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On April 05 2011 03:52 Gnial wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:49 AlexDeLarge wrote:
I believe the vast majority of police officers are total idiots, so arguing about a statement they made, whether right or wrong, is laughable.
But for the sake of argument, i'm gonna assume his statement "women shouldn't dress like such sluts and they complain about being raped" stems from his inner frustrations. His history of violence (natural from the profession he chose) coupled with his mediocre IQ and the fact that his primal animalistic brain takes priority over this intelligent side, leads me to believe he actually lusts deep down to "force his way" upon some hot, slutty girls he would normally never have acces to, being the lowly person that he is in society.
What do i think about this particular subject? While i don't approve of rape, some sluts simply have it coming for them sometimes. Let's not glorify women and say they are pure, innocent creatures who deserve only affection. I'm sure many of these girls, if they were put in a position of power and raw strength compared to men, they would abuse the hell out of us.
tl;dr skip to the story below
P.S. Funny story. One night i had some girl alone over my place. She ended up smoking a lot of weed and passed out almost completely (was maybe 10% conscious). I tried to make her feel comfortable, carried her to bed cuz she obviously wasn't feeling well, gave her a light massage etc.
But then i started getting a little bit horny. So i said, ahh what the hell. Fucked the shit out of her while she was 90% unconscious (this was basically our first date).
Now before you think i'm a despicable person, she did text me a few days later and said "had fun the other night. thanks for "raping" me :p". I later ended up in a relationship with her, rofl.
Would you guys consider what i did to her a criminal act of rape? It was very close to being a criminal act of rape - she would have 100% won in court if she had pressed charges.
Alright, i should mention that the vibe of that night was that it was definitely ON between us. If she hadn't passed out, we would have sex anyway.
But let's say she would later decide to be a total vengeful bitch afterwards and pressed charges, and also keep in mind where i live, a country known for it's skewed morals and justice system. How would she explain her being alone willing at my house, stoned out of her mind and then not fighting me or trying to resist me while i was having my way with her. With a good lawyer, i could totally spin it in my favor and walk off with ease.
BTW, if you're interested in this subject and love movies, i definitely recommend the movie Irreversible, with Monica Bellucci. It has the most amazing and shocking rape scene of all time.
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On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? 2. She is getting more attention because men are getting horny seeing here in revealing clothes.
Dear god.
Most guys have been horny a number of times approaching infinity → ∞
Most guys have also never had the thought of raping someone to satisfy said urge. Sounds like you may have.
There's a big difference between getting a glimpse of a girls goods and "getting horny"
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On April 05 2011 04:04 Gene wrote:
the fact is a rapists motivations are much more often purely psychological, and so their victims physical appearance is much less relevant as is everything else about her.
*quote moltke's list of reasons he would marry a woman*
I don't exactly understand how you can argue this point.
Rape comes from a variety of scenarios but it's very rare that a very ugly woman is raped because of how ugly she is, nor is a woman walking around in a parka more likely to be raped than one in a miniskirt and tube top.
Despite what reason a man decides to rape a woman it's not going to be because he isn't attracted to her. That's just obvious.
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wow im not gonna bother anymore, some things are just common fucking sense. why do you even think guys rape women in the first place.
On April 05 2011 03:58 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:56 Gene wrote:On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? power Bingo, it's a question of power, and not sexual restraint.
riiight. it might be, sometimes, but ... jesus, uthink that even accounts for the majority of rapes? wtf?
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On April 05 2011 04:09 42x10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:04 Gene wrote:
the fact is a rapists motivations are much more often purely psychological, and so their victims physical appearance is much less relevant as is everything else about her.
*quote moltke's list of reasons he would marry a woman* I don't exactly understand how you can argue this point. Rape comes from a variety of scenarios but it's very rare that a very ugly woman is raped because of how ugly she is, nor is a woman walking around in a parka more likely to be raped than one in a miniskirt and tube top. Despite what reason a man decides to rape a woman it's not going to be because he isn't attracted to her. That's just obvious.
That's a misconception, women are often raped based on their status, their relationship with the rapist and their position socially and/or in the workplace.
It's almost never about looks and the incite such an idea is actually perpetuating the "blaming the victim" card.
Often times, men who rape are attracted and aroused by the idea of submission, control and domination of the woman and not by her attire, looks or weight. They get even more excited when they resist or even eventually submit.
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On April 05 2011 04:09 42x10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:04 Gene wrote:
the fact is a rapists motivations are much more often purely psychological, and so their victims physical appearance is much less relevant as is everything else about her.
*quote moltke's list of reasons he would marry a woman* I don't exactly understand how you can argue this point. Rape comes from a variety of scenarios but it's very rare that a very ugly woman is raped because of how ugly she is, nor is a woman walking around in a parka more likely to be raped than one in a miniskirt and tube top. Despite what reason a man decides to rape a woman it's not going to be because he isn't attracted to her. That's just obvious.
Ive heard of "orderlies" who rape old women in retirement homes, maybe they got a granny fetish or maybe they're fucked up in the head.
orderlies = people who look after old people (spelled wrong probably)
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actually this post was sutpid when i think about it. but I still highly disagree. rape results primarily by a desire to fuck someone.
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On April 05 2011 04:09 42x10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:04 Gene wrote:
the fact is a rapists motivations are much more often purely psychological, and so their victims physical appearance is much less relevant as is everything else about her.
*quote moltke's list of reasons he would marry a woman* I don't exactly understand how you can argue this point. Rape comes from a variety of scenarios but it's very rare that a very ugly woman is raped because of how ugly she is, nor is a woman walking around in a parka more likely to be raped than one in a miniskirt and tube top. Despite what reason a man decides to rape a woman it's not going to be because he isn't attracted to her. That's just obvious.
So does that mean the only guys getting raped in jail are the prettier ones? Just a thought...
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On April 05 2011 04:09 travis wrote:wow im not gonna bother anymore, some things are just common fucking sense. why do you even think guys rape women in the first place. Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:58 Torte de Lini wrote:On April 05 2011 03:56 Gene wrote:On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? power Bingo, it's a question of power, and not sexual restraint. riiight. it might be, sometimes, but ... jesus, uthink that even accounts for the majority of rapes? wtf?
What accounts for the majority of rape?
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