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On April 05 2011 04:09 travis wrote:
wow im not gonna bother anymore, some things are just common fucking sense. why do you even think guys rape women in the first place. Common sense is wrong, back your stuff up please.
Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:58 Torte de Lini wrote:On April 05 2011 03:56 Gene wrote:On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? power Bingo, it's a question of power, and not sexual restraint. riiight. it might be, sometimes, but ... jesus, uthink that even accounts for the majority of rapes? wtf?
Seems like your 'common sense' is simply bad judgement in this case.
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On April 05 2011 04:12 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:09 42x10 wrote:On April 05 2011 04:04 Gene wrote:
the fact is a rapists motivations are much more often purely psychological, and so their victims physical appearance is much less relevant as is everything else about her.
*quote moltke's list of reasons he would marry a woman* I don't exactly understand how you can argue this point. Rape comes from a variety of scenarios but it's very rare that a very ugly woman is raped because of how ugly she is, nor is a woman walking around in a parka more likely to be raped than one in a miniskirt and tube top. Despite what reason a man decides to rape a woman it's not going to be because he isn't attracted to her. That's just obvious. So does that mean the only guys getting raped in jail are the prettier ones? Just a thought...
Yes.
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On April 05 2011 04:12 travis wrote:
actually this post was sutpid when i think about it. but I still highly disagree. rape results primarily by a desire to fuck someone.
if someone is that desperate to get laid they can get a hooker, not physically violate another human being and face life in jail.
ninja edit so i quoted wrong post
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On April 05 2011 04:12 travis wrote:
If it's so much about "power" and not about being really fucking horny and wanting to get laid, then why is it that the vast majority of rapes are done by men to women?
Do we talk about the patriarchal skewed side of this capitalist world.
Or do we go with the idea of men being abused as children by their mothers or their insecurities about not being able to acquire any female companions and construing ideas that women are intentionally avoiding them or making fun of them (giggling, pointing, etc.).
How about the idea that they're so narcissistic that they think the women want to be raped and this perpetuated by certain adult films?
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On April 05 2011 04:14 Gene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:12 travis wrote:
actually this post was sutpid when i think about it. but I still highly disagree. rape results primarily by a desire to fuck someone. if someone is that desperate to get laid they can get a hooker, not physically violate another human being and face life in jail. are you just trolling or serious ninja edit so i quoted wrong post
Why not rape the hooker??? criagslist killer style (ted bundy style)
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 05 2011 04:09 travis wrote:wow im not gonna bother anymore, some things are just common fucking sense. why do you even think guys rape women in the first place. Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:58 Torte de Lini wrote:On April 05 2011 03:56 Gene wrote:On April 05 2011 03:55 Mastermind wrote:On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote:On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny.
And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? power Bingo, it's a question of power, and not sexual restraint. riiight. it might be, sometimes, but ... jesus, uthink that even accounts for the majority of rapes? wtf?
You oversimplify the problem and fail to see its complexity, or you see its complexity and you ignore the many factors choosing one which you feel is the 'common sense' cause. No need to bother, as we are discussing a bigger issue then what you comment on (rape as simply a man asserting sexual dominance over a famale)
edited for tone.
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On April 05 2011 04:16 methematics wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:14 Gene wrote:On April 05 2011 04:12 travis wrote:
actually this post was sutpid when i think about it. but I still highly disagree. rape results primarily by a desire to fuck someone. if someone is that desperate to get laid they can get a hooker, not physically violate another human being and face life in jail. are you just trolling or serious ninja edit so i quoted wrong post Why not rape the hooker??? criagslist killer style (ted bundy style)
seriously?
Why, becuase its easy? You're right. I want to get laid and im cheap, so im going to actually violate adn fuck up this girl for life because i cant spare a few dollars.
Some of you act like your average shmuck can be a rapist simply by changing his mind, like there is no altered state of mind required to overpower someone, and abuse them against their will.
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On April 05 2011 04:15 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:12 travis wrote:
If it's so much about "power" and not about being really fucking horny and wanting to get laid, then why is it that the vast majority of rapes are done by men to women? Do we talk about the patriarchal skewed side of this capitalist world. Or do we go with the idea of men being abused as children by their mothers or their insecurities about not being able to acquire any female companions and construing ideas that women are intentionally avoiding them or making fun of them (giggling, pointing, etc.). How about the idea that they're so narcissistic that they think the women want to be raped and this perpetuated by certain adult films?
You're right woman should take to walking around naked and then we should lock up all men to make sure the sick freaks with no control of themselves don't do anything stupid.
I literally cannot wrap my head around this argument that some people in this thread are making that rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. RAPE IS SEX! Yes there's an aspect of domination. Some people "get off" on that. Do you know what that's called? A Fetish! Something different from the norm of consensual sex in the missionary position with the lights off that gives you sexual pleasure. Not that it's a socially acceptable fetish, but some people get their jollies from raping a woman. That's totally sexual and if you argue otherwise i think you're completely lacking in the common sense you say is useless. Do you want me to show you statistics that say men enjoy sex?
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if the guy i was responding to got banned, i guess this was out of line too
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On April 05 2011 04:20 42x10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:15 Torte de Lini wrote:On April 05 2011 04:12 travis wrote:
If it's so much about "power" and not about being really fucking horny and wanting to get laid, then why is it that the vast majority of rapes are done by men to women? Do we talk about the patriarchal skewed side of this capitalist world. Or do we go with the idea of men being abused as children by their mothers or their insecurities about not being able to acquire any female companions and construing ideas that women are intentionally avoiding them or making fun of them (giggling, pointing, etc.). How about the idea that they're so narcissistic that they think the women want to be raped and this perpetuated by certain adult films? You're right woman should take to walking around naked and then we should lock up all men to make sure the sick freaks with no control of themselves don't do anything stupid. I literally cannot wrap my head around this argument that some people in this thread are making that rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. RAPE IS SEX! Yes there's an aspect of domination. Some people "get off" on that. Do you know what that's called? A Fetish! Something different from the norm of consensual sex in the missionary position with the lights off that gives you sexual pleasure. Not that it's a socially acceptable fetish, but some people get their jollies from raping a woman. That's totally sexual and if you argue otherwise i think you're completely lacking in the common sense you say is useless. Do you want me to show you statistics that say men enjoy sex?
Uh... I'm on your side, not sure why you're quoting me.
I'm on the side that blaming the victim is wrong.
Edit: wait, no I'm not.
Yes, rape is intercourse, a force coercion started by the male. By engaging in intercourse, they not only degrade the woman, but they feel better about themselves.
The act of intercourse is a symbolic one, for example, some rape women to "spread their seed and better the world", a narcissistic approach.
I think you're looking at things two-dimensionally, take a forensic psychology course or a simple introductory sociology course and you'll begin realizing that seeing things so simply is not that simple.
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"some people get their jollies from raping a woman"
why raping? Why not casual sex? Is it the lack of consent? how do you ahve sex with a woman without consent? by over powering them?
whats the difference between consensual sex and rape that gets your jollies off?
the only difference i can see is the overt display of power
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In the article: "Just like sexual assault is not about appearance."
That made me lol, I'm 100% sure appearance has some relevance to it. No one is going to sexually assault a 400 pound gorilla of a women as opposed to someone more attractive. Anyways I agree with the officer, I'm not saying that it's the sole reason for rape because it isn't but, stop dressing like damn sluts, it doesn't help matters at all.
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On April 05 2011 04:22 Gene wrote:
"some people get their jollies from raping a woman"
why raping? Why not casual sex? Is it the lack of consent? how do you ahve sex with a woman without consent? by over powering them?
whats the difference between consensual sex and rape that gets your jollies off?
the only difference i can see is the overt display of power
Yep, exactly as i said, the difference is an overt display of power. Also known as a fetish for domination.
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On April 05 2011 04:23 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
In the article: "Just like sexual assault is not about appearance."
That made me lol, I'm 100% sure appearance has some relevance to it. No one is going to sexually assault a 400 pound gorilla of a women as opposed to someone more attractive. Anyways I agree with the officer, I'm not saying that it's the sole reason for rape because it isn't but, stop dressing like damn sluts, it doesn't help matters at all.
That's a misconception, women are often raped based on their status, their relationship with the rapist and their position socially and/or in the workplace.
It's almost never about looks and the incite such an idea is actually perpetuating the "blaming the victim" card.
Often times, men who rape are attracted and aroused by the idea of submission, control and domination of the woman and not by her attire, looks or weight. They get even more excited when they resist or even eventually submit.
Blaming the victim is enabling rapists. This is similar to allowing police officers to entice crimes from citizens.
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If some people here are claiming that the attractiveness of a woman's dress makes her more like to be raped, that alone makes it partially true. If out of all the billions of men in the world, some of them think that they would be more likely to rape a woman they found more attractive, it only makes sense that somewhere out there, there is a rapist or would-be rapist thinking the exact same thing. Even if dressing up like a "slut" only increases the likelihood of being raped by that one individual a tiny percent. It still raises it.
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This thread has me worried about the influence of starcraft and starcraft2 on one's perception of the female gender, and the ability to form relationships with the fairer sex.
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On April 05 2011 04:22 Gene wrote:
"some people get their jollies from raping a woman"
why raping? Why not casual sex? Is it the lack of consent? how do you ahve sex with a woman without consent? by over powering them?
whats the difference between consensual sex and rape that gets your jollies off?
the only difference i can see is the overt display of power
Current theory is that due to some childhood experience (bad mom?, sexual abuse? w/e)the individual is unable or unwilling to form 'normal' adult relationships. At some point sexual arousal is paired and conditioned with a specific inappropriate event or object which leads to a fettish or obsession. Eventaully this obession will lead to some compulsion (ie voyerism, frotteurism, pedophilia w/e) and this is where we get sex offenders.
Its just a theory tho so who really knows...
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On April 05 2011 04:26 Magic_Mike wrote:
If some people here are claiming that the attractiveness of a woman's dress makes her more like to be raped, that alone makes it partially true.
I certainly hope that there aren't any rapists on Teamliquid, but in the case that there are I will submit to their opinions as experts in the matter.
Otherwise all of the "if I were a rapist" posts don't really amount to much.
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On April 05 2011 04:28 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 04:22 Gene wrote:
"some people get their jollies from raping a woman"
why raping? Why not casual sex? Is it the lack of consent? how do you ahve sex with a woman without consent? by over powering them?
whats the difference between consensual sex and rape that gets your jollies off?
the only difference i can see is the overt display of power Current theory is that due to some childhood experience (bad mom?, sexual abuse? w/e)the individual is unable or unwilling to form 'normal' adult relationships. At some point sexual arousal is paired and conditioned with a specific inappropriate event or object which leads to a fettish or obsession. Eventaully this obession will lead to some compulsion (ie voyerism, frotterism, pedophilia w/e) and this is where we get sex offenders. Its just a theory tho so who really knows...
Includes stalking, I agree with this.
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On April 05 2011 04:23 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
In the article: "Just like sexual assault is not about appearance."
That made me lol, I'm 100% sure appearance has some relevance to it. No one is going to sexually assault a 400 pound gorilla of a women as opposed to someone more attractive. Anyways I agree with the officer, I'm not saying that it's the sole reason for rape because it isn't but, stop dressing like damn sluts, it doesn't help matters at all.
Why should a woman be restricted in her attire to seemingly "ward off" potential rapists?
They should be able to wear anything they want and not be blamed when on the off-chance some chauvinistic douchebag rapes them because in almost all cases of rape, the motivations of the rapists have little to do with pure sexual desire.
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