On April 09 2011 01:28 Flyingdutchman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 01:09 Ballistixz wrote:On April 07 2011 02:15 Blardy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2011 03:52 Gnial wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 03:49 AlexDeLarge wrote:
I believe the vast majority of police officers are total idiots, so arguing about a statement they made, whether right or wrong, is laughable.
But for the sake of argument, i'm gonna assume his statement "women shouldn't dress like such sluts and they complain about being raped" stems from his inner frustrations. His history of violence (natural from the profession he chose) coupled with his mediocre IQ and the fact that his primal animalistic brain takes priority over this intelligent side, leads me to believe he actually lusts deep down to "force his way" upon some hot, slutty girls he would normally never have acces to, being the lowly person that he is in society.
What do i think about this particular subject? While i don't approve of rape, some sluts simply have it coming for them sometimes. Let's not glorify women and say they are pure, innocent creatures who deserve only affection. I'm sure many of these girls, if they were put in a position of power and raw strength compared to men, they would abuse the hell out of us.
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P.S. Funny story. One night i had some girl alone over my place. She ended up smoking a lot of weed and passed out almost completely (was maybe 10% conscious). I tried to make her feel comfortable, carried her to bed cuz she obviously wasn't feeling well, gave her a light massage etc.
But then i started getting a little bit horny. So i said, ahh what the hell. Fucked the shit out of her while she was 90% unconscious (this was basically our first date).
Now before you think i'm a despicable person, she did text me a few days later and said "had fun the other night. thanks for "raping" me :p". I later ended up in a relationship with her, rofl.
Would you guys consider what i did to her a criminal act of rape? It was very close to being a criminal act of rape - she would have 100% won in court if she had pressed charges. She was conscious to know he was having sex with her and didn't say no to it, she couldn't have won the case because she allowed it. She can't prove he had sex with her if she was sleeping but since she wasn't sleeping and knew it was going on and in no way tried it stop it, it was consensual. bull and shit. he raped the girl. plane and simple. if she would have took him to court and if he would have told that exact same story she would have won the case without a doubt and he would be in jail.. he said it himself that t he girl was 90% concious and obviously had no clue to what was going on since she was only 10% awake. then he proceeds to take advantage of that and have sex with her without her knowing and without her consent? bullshit. that is a rape no matter how u look at it. the dude is just lucky she was a slut and a dumbass to let her self get taken advantage of like that without doing anything about it.. On April 07 2011 06:04 Monsen wrote:On April 07 2011 03:25 god_forbids wrote:On April 07 2011 00:46 AbsentLover wrote:
Ok, this is AlexDeLarge here, posting on this account since my main one got banned.
Going to SHED SOME LIGHT on this situation, because it got really fucking ridiculous. Never would i have imagined that i would get perm banned out of the blue by telling a personal story that happened to me IRL (with no connection to this forum whatsoever). LOL? God forbid TL prevent rapists from interacting with its members. You deserve your permaban and (hopefully) the next one on its way to your smurf account. You raped that girl regardless of what you thought entitled you to have sex with her unconscious body. The fact that she claimed to have enjoyed the abuse - I wonder who else in her life did this to her before you? - only proves what a sad and broken person she was inside. The "dynamics of the situation" was that you raped a passed-out woman's body while she was defenseless and non-consenting. "Sexual consent isn't like a lightswitch, which can be either "on," or "off." It's not like there's this one thing called "sex" you can consent to anyhow. "Sex" is an evolving series of actions and interactions. You have to have the enthusiastic consent of your partner for all of them. And even if you have your partner's consent for a particular activity, you have to be prepared for it to change. Consent isn't a question. It's a state. If, instead of lovers, the two of you were synchronized swimmers, consent would be the water. It's not enough to jump in, get wet and climb out -- if you want to swim, you have to be in the water continually. And if you want to have sex, you have to be continually in a state of enthusiastic consent with your partner."On April 07 2011 02:15 Blardy wrote:She was conscious to know he was having sex with her and didn't say no to it, she couldn't have won the case because she allowed it. She can't prove he had sex with her if she was sleeping but since she wasn't sleeping and knew it was going on and in no way tried it stop it, it was consensual. Read above, but I can hardly believe that it will stop you from being so moronic. NOT SAYING NO is a million miles away from SAYING YES. From whence comes your incredible sense of entitlement to women's bodies? You, just like others in the thread need to get your boot of the rage pedal and your finger of the judge button. While I certainly agree with some of your points, calling people moronic is, as you're well aware, a very easy way get you banned (also it makes you look shitty at debating). On the topic of consent I feel your view is a bit too black and white. I fear it's not that simple. While I agree that not saying "no" does not equal a green light, your water analogy holds, hah, no water with me. I certainly have had sex while not really in the mood. Maybe I changed my mind during the act but I'm still sure my girlfriend wasn't raping me for the first part of it, even though I wasn't "enthusiasticly consenting" the entire time. This is what can make rape cases so damn difficult to judge at times- sex while drunk or on drugs, "rape" in relationships etc. Are there even legal definitions of "consent" ? Also, in the case of relationships that "sense of entitlement" to your partners body (and feelings) is, while certainly debateable, part of what makes a relationship (and the foundation for marriage rape I assume  ) for a lot of people. more bullshit. having sex with someone that is incapable of saying yes or no is rape, period. if someone gets so drunk or is on drugs and a rapist takes advantage of that and "fucks the shit" out of her while she is incaple of even talking, let alone trying to prevent it, its rape. even if she "enjoyed" it afterwards its STILL RAPE. also some women do not fight back when there getting raped because that is something to protect there own lives. not fighting back can lead to the rapist being more aggressive and dangerous and the women could end up seriously hurt or dead. so sometimes it is best for the women to not fight back against rapists, which is why his comment was infact moronic. I assume you mean 90% unconscious? people really need to take a chill pill by the way, hwo on earth can we have a mature discussion if people keep overreacting to what others are saying, putting words in their mouths and such. It's like this thread is filled with people that want to say "It was not the girls fault she gets raped but there are means to keep unnecessary sexual attention at a minimum when you go out because some guys are really douchebags', while the other half goes"OMG you are saying she asked for it LALALALALALALA *fingers in ears*". Listen to each other for gods sake, and if you are unsure about their meaning ask them. And forget about the trolposters, which are rather obvious. I'll admit, I make these mistakes myself as well, it can be difficult.
yes i meant unconcious*
and i did read everything blardy was saying. he was saying that the girl couldnt win the case and that it would not be considered rape cuz she was still awake. but idk about u or anyone else in this thread, but do u have any idea on what its like to only be 10% concious and on the virge of passing out? i do. she may have knew what was going on, but i promise u that even if she did know she wouldnt have been able to do shit about it. if she was even capable of talking at all in that state then it would have just been bearly audible whispers.
so thats why i call his comment bullshit because you cant do anything at all while being only 10% concious.
just to prove a point lets imagine the girl he raped did not enjoy it at all. infact lets pretend that she was heavily tramatized for the ordeal. if she took him to court she would have easily won beacuse there was 0% chance of her doing anything to be able to stop it or prevent it.
but that did not happen and the ONLY reason it didnt happen is because she has a rape fetish i guess and enjoyed it and decided not to take him to court. thats the ONLY reason the guy isnt in jail right now. which is sad because ppl like him needs to be in jail.
rape cases are hard i aggree with that. but with that alex guys case it would have been very easy to charge him with rape. very easy.
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On April 09 2011 09:32 Gene wrote:
to anyone actually arguing he didnt actually rape her, you're dead wrong. U.S. law says without question its rape. if you want to debate whether or not the law is silly( it's not you perverts,) fine. But to debate it isnt technically rape is ignorant.
honestly what do you guys think date rape is all about? its about getting a girl too intoxicated to have the mental capacity to make appropriate decisions and abusing her. they dont call it date rape cause its stylish, it's because it's actually rape.
I bring up US Law specifically because i wont purport to know any other, and the story was from an american
Now, while I've read most of the posts in this thread, I haven't read the last few pages as it became a bit meaningless at some point. So, I'm commenting this out of context. However, if this is in reference to the poster who got banned for saying that he had sex with someone 90% unconscious, then:
Your reference to alcohol/intoxication is quite terrible. People get drunk and have sex mindlessly all the time. Is this rape? No, because to the outside world as well as their partner, it would seem that they are consenting. Rape in about force (often physical force) and non-consent. Making it otherwise would just blur the lines. In the case discussed, the girl didn't have any chance to consent, either through verbal communication or body language, since she was unconscious, also meaning that she could not resist. So, it's up to her to decide afterwards whether she feels it was "forced" (and thereby, in reality, the power to decide whether it was rape). The line here between getting intoxicated and being fed a date-rape drug would be that in the latter instance one person conspires to make another powerless to resist their actions, actively removing the other individual's ability to utter or express non-consent.
Like is said in my earlier post, this thread seems really diffuse, and discussions are going in all directions. By now, people are discussing semantics. Me as well, admittedly - just had to respond to the unfortunately phrased comment quoted above 
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