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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:28 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: If this is that obvious? Then why has no one been able to produce even the slightest statistical evidence or indication for it? what? how would they do that? There is no statistical evidence for this, and indeed, far more evidence for the inverse case. what are you talking about? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
 I think the police shouldn't have this altitude; however it's kind of true that if you dress "like a slut" you are more likely to be attacked. | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
in general, i think most people think that rapes emerge out of random horniness, but most rapes emerge either from a plan or from chance. if there is a chance to rape a women without having to fear being caught makes men´s true character come out. for example rape in war. so i´ll side with those who demand statistical proof of that theory before discussing its moral implications. | ||
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:29 travis wrote: What I'm talking about is that there is no statistical evidence backing up that the people who dress revealingly are overrepresented as rape victims.what? how would they do that? what are you talking about? If you believe this evidence exists then look it up, I can't find it and I've searched. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/776945.html Start here I suppose? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
So, with regards to the "70%" know their victims, wikipedia at least cites this for a US statistic: "Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 31% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 27% in the victims' homes and 10% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7% occur at parties, 7% in vehicles, 4% outdoors and 2% in bars". I cite this because it's kind of more relevant--a person is not forced into a home. They plan to go to a person's home. And going to someone's home really implies more knowledge about someone than if, say, women were all raped at parties ("yeah, I knew him because I met him ONE time at this bar"). I don't have a citation for these, but at my university the health department at least advertise that 90% of all campus rapes occur when assailant, victim or both have been using alcohol, and cite some study of "3303 urine samples collected from women who believed they were raped after being drugged 61.3 % positive for some substance with 67.0% alcohol 30.3% marijuana." So really, instead of saying "oh yeah it makes sense", half of an effort on wikipedia really suggests two things: 1) provocative dressing does not really encourage it. Vast majority rapes occur at a person's home or a party (presumably in a home of some sort) and most women say they knew the assailant beforehand (again from wikipedia). You're inside someone's home: maybe you are dressed like a slut, but you really shouldn't blame the victim for perhaps dressing slutty if they are in a home of someone they know and (hypothetically) trust. 2) alcohol is largest contributing factor to rape attempts/successful rapes. | ||
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TallMax
United States131 Posts
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MMello
279 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:15 travis wrote: I think it's pretty obvious that a horny guy is more likely to rape someone than a guy that isn't horny. And I think it's also pretty obvious that dressing like a slut makes most guys horny. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. | ||
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HCastorp
United States388 Posts
[B]On April 05 2011 03:38 N.geNuity wrote:[/B So really, instead of saying "oh yeah it makes sense", half of an effort on wikipedia really suggests two things: 1) provocative dressing does not really encourage it. Vast majority rapes occur at a person's home or a party (presumably in a home of some sort) and most women say they knew the assailant beforehand (again from wikipedia). You're inside someone's home: maybe you are dressed like a slut, but you really shouldn't blame the victim for perhaps dressing slutty if they are in a home of someone they know and (hypothetically) trust. 2) alcohol is largest contributing factor to rape attempts/successful rapes. This is a useful contribution to the thread. But it is important to remember what is really at stake here. The issue being protested is not whether the policeman made an accurate statement about how one can reduce the risk of being raped. I think it is very likely that the protesters also believe that dress can be a factor. The issue is the insensitivity it displays towards the victim. If he had read the studies you quote and said "Women who want to avoid being raped should avoid drinking alcohol" the issue would be exactly the same. | ||
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Tleaf
Canada181 Posts
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/manitoba-judge-criticized-for-saying-victims-clothing-attitude-factors-in-rape-116853198.html "A legal expert says a Manitoba judge's comment during a rape sentencing that "sex was in the air" is a troubling legal throwback. Justice Robert Dewar of Queen's Bench Court made the remark when he gave a man a two-year conditional sentence which allows him to remain free in the community. The judge also pointed to the way the victim and her friend were dressed — tube tops, no bras, high heels — and noted they were wearing plenty of makeup..." "...Rhodes pleaded not guilty at his trial on the basis he thought the woman had consented. Dewar rejected that defence in convicting him, but said he could consider some of that argument during sentencing. “This is a different case than one where there is no perceived invitation,” said Dewar. “This is a case of misunderstood signals and inconsiderate behaviour.” Dewar said he didn’t want to be seen as blaming the victim but that all of the factors in the case had to be viewed to assess “moral blame worthiness."" Edit: I should probably mention that this case is being appealed; probably for the best. | ||
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AlexDeLarge
Romania218 Posts
But for the sake of argument, i'm gonna assume his statement "women shouldn't dress like such sluts and they complain about being raped" stems from his inner frustrations. His history of violence (natural from the profession he chose) coupled with his mediocre IQ and the fact that his primal animalistic brain takes priority over this intelligent side, leads me to believe he actually lusts deep down to "force his way" upon some hot, slutty girls he would normally never have acces to, being the lowly person that he is in society. What do i think about this particular subject? While i don't approve of rape, some sluts simply have it coming for them sometimes. Let's not glorify women and say they are pure, innocent creatures who deserve only affection. I'm sure many of these girls, if they were put in a position of power and raw strength compared to men, they would abuse the hell out of us. tl;dr skip to the story below P.S. Funny story. One night i had some girl alone over my place. She ended up smoking a lot of weed and passed out almost completely (was maybe 10% conscious). I tried to make her feel comfortable, carried her to bed cuz she obviously wasn't feeling well, gave her a light massage etc. But then i started getting a little bit horny. So i said, ahh what the hell. Fucked the shit out of her while she was 90% unconscious (this was basically our first date). Now before you think i'm a despicable person, she did text me a few days later and said "had fun the other night. thanks for "raping" me :p". I later ended up in a relationship with her, rofl. Would you guys consider what i did to her a criminal act of rape? User was banned for this post. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:49 AlexDeLarge wrote: I believe the vast majority of police officers are total idiots, so arguing about a statement they made, whether right or wrong, is laughable. But for the sake of argument, i'm gonna assume his statement "women shouldn't dress like such sluts and they complain about being raped" stems from his inner frustrations. His history of violence (natural from the profession he chose) coupled with his mediocre IQ and the fact that his primal animalistic brain takes priority over this intelligent side, leads me to believe he actually lusts deep down to "force his way" upon some hot, slutty girls he would normally never have acces to, being the lowly person that he is in society. What do i think about this particular subject? While i don't approve of rape, some sluts simply have it coming for them sometimes. Let's not glorify women and say they are pure, innocent creatures who deserve only affection. I'm sure many of these girls, if they were put in a position of power and raw strength compared to men, they would abuse the hell out of us. tl;dr skip to the story below P.S. Funny story. One night i had some girl alone over my place. She ended up smoking a lot of weed and passed out almost completely (was maybe 10% conscious). I tried to make her feel comfortable, carried her to bed cuz she obviously wasn't feeling well, gave her a light massage etc. But then i started getting a little bit horny. So i said, ahh what the hell. Fucked the shit out of her while she was 90% unconscious (this was basically our first date). Now before you think i'm a despicable person, she did text me a few days later and said "had fun the other night. thanks for "raping" me :p". I later ended up in a relationship with her, rofl. Would you guys consider what i did to her a criminal act of rape? It was very close to being a criminal act of rape - she would have 100% won in court if she had pressed charges. | ||
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mvillalo
Canada10 Posts
So, with regards to the "70%" know their victims, wikipedia at least cites this for a US statistic: "Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 31% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 27% in the victims' homes and 10% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7% occur at parties, 7% in vehicles, 4% outdoors and 2% in bars". I cite this because it's kind of more relevant--a person is not forced into a home. They plan to go to a person's home. And going to someone's home really implies more knowledge about someone than if, say, women were all raped at parties ("yeah, I knew him because I met him ONE time at this bar"). 1) provocative dressing does not really encourage it. Vast majority rapes occur at a person's home or a party (presumably in a home of some sort) and most women say they knew the assailant beforehand (again from wikipedia). You're inside someone's home: maybe you are dressed like a slut, but you really shouldn't blame the victim for perhaps dressing slutty if they are in a home of someone they know and (hypothetically) trust. 2) alcohol is largest contributing factor to rape attempts/successful rapes. 1) ok if we accept that 70% are known by the attacker and say that dress is not a factor what about the 30%? Are they not important? 2) Ok lets say alcohol is the largest factor in attempts. That says nothing about why the person targeted someone (perhaps partly because of how they dressed) it only tells us how they tried to accomplish it. I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. By itself no add in alcohol or drugs and perhaps 2. More attention of a certain nature? Perhaps attention of someone inclined to be a rapist? | ||
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:49 AlexDeLarge wrote: I believe the vast majority of police officers are total idiots, so arguing about a statement they made, whether right or wrong, is laughable. But for the sake of argument, i'm gonna assume his statement "women shouldn't dress like such sluts and they complain about being raped" stems from his inner frustrations. His history of violence (natural from the profession he chose) coupled with his mediocre IQ and the fact that his primal animalistic brain takes priority over this intelligent side, leads me to believe he actually lusts deep down to "force his way" upon some hot, slutty girls he would normally never have acces to, being the lowly person that he is in society. What do i think about this particular subject? While i don't approve of rape, some sluts simply have it coming for them sometimes. Let's not glorify women and say they are pure, innocent creatures who deserve only affection. I'm sure many of these girls, if they were put in a position of power and raw strength compared to men, they would abuse the hell out of us. tl;dr skip to the story below P.S. Funny story. One night i had some girl alone over my place. She ended up smoking a lot of weed and passed out almost completely (was maybe 10% conscious). I tried to make her feel comfortable, carried her to bed cuz she obviously wasn't feeling well, gave her a light massage etc. But then i started getting a little bit horny. So i said, ahh what the hell. Fucked the shit out of her while she was 90% unconscious (this was basically our first date). Now before you think i'm a despicable person, she did text me a few days later and said "had fun the other night. thanks for "raping" me :p". I later ended up in a relationship with her, rofl. Would you guys consider what i did to her a criminal act of rape? First of all that wasn't what the officer said at all. He didn't say they shouldn't complain about rape if they dress like sluts. He said that not dressing slutty would reduce their risk of rape. And yes, you did rape her. If she pressed the issue you would be in some serious trouble. | ||
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brian
United States9629 Posts
do you guys think to-be-rapists walk down the street and rate women 1-10, then when they find a 10 they say imma rape her? that's retarded, rape is not based on sexual attraction. | ||
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:49 AlexDeLarge wrote: Now this is just psychoanalysis, even if you did know the guy, this would be a silly statement to make, not even offensive, just far fetched grabbing.I believe the vast majority of police officers are total idiots, so arguing about a statement they made, whether right or wrong, is laughable. But for the sake of argument, i'm gonna assume his statement "women shouldn't dress like such sluts and they complain about being raped" stems from his inner frustrations. His history of violence (natural from the profession he chose) coupled with his mediocre IQ and the fact that his primal animalistic brain takes priority over this intelligent side, leads me to believe he actually lusts deep down to "force his way" upon some hot, slutty girls he would normally never have acces to, being the lowly person that he is in society. What do i think about this particular subject? While i don't approve of rape, some sluts simply have it coming for them sometimes. Let's not glorify women and say they are pure, innocent creatures who deserve only affection. I'm sure many of these girls, if they were put in a position of power and raw strength compared to men, they would abuse the hell out of us. True, a factor in that rape happens mostly one way might be just pure physical strength.P.S. Funny story. One night i had some girl alone over my place. She ended up smoking a lot of weed and passed out almost completely (was maybe 10% conscious). I tried to make her feel comfortable, carried her to bed cuz she obviously wasn't feeling well, gave her a light massage etc. Well, good for you that it went that way, not something you could know in advance, you could have yourself an angry woman and possible legal difficulties.But then i started getting a little bit horny. So i said, ahh what the hell. Fucked the shit out of her while she was 90% unconscious (this was basically our first date). Now before you think i'm a despicable person, she did text me a few days later and said "had fun the other night. thanks for "raping" me :p". I later ended up in a relationship with her, rofl. Would you guys consider what i did to her a criminal act of rape? Yes, but it didn't matter apparently.Not all people mind to be raped. From a simple point of view, I wouldn't mind to be fed a spiked drink and then raped while being unconscious, after all, I don't notice it, right? Just don't get me any STD's. Though I appreciate the idea that not many people view this matter in such a simple way. Like my ex told me 'You either don't cheat on me, or you do cheat on me but be pro enough to make sure I don't find out, either's cool with me.' | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:43 Zorkmid wrote: I don't really agree with either of these statements. 1. I can't see how any level of horniness could bring on rape. 2. A girl that dresses like a slut may get more attention, but that's about all. 1. What other reason would someone rape for? 2. She is getting more attention because men are getting horny seeing here in revealing clothes. | ||
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brian
United States9629 Posts
On April 05 2011 03:54 Gene wrote: lol idk if "horny guys will rape" was a troll or not do you guys think to-be-rapists walk down the street and rate women 1-10, then when they find a 10 they say imma rape her? that's retarded, rape is not based on sexual attraction. which also lends itself to saying provocative attire is irrelevant when talking about rape | ||
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