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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 03:16:03
August 23 2013 00:11 GMT
#1321
So if France is threatening force that automatically means UK, Italy following suit. Here's hoping it stays a "European" affair.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
August 23 2013 08:14 GMT
#1322
On August 23 2013 09:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if France is threatening force that automatically means UK, Italy following suit.

Why ?
On August 23 2013 09:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Here's hoping it stays a "European" affair.

There is nothing to gain in Syria for the European countries, except a good pat on the back from Obama. it was always an American affair first. Oh and Israeli, Saoudian, Qatari, Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanian, Turkish, Kurdish and Russian too lol.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
August 23 2013 08:35 GMT
#1323
Why would Assad use chemical weapons now when he's clearly already gained the upper hand....
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 23 2013 08:36 GMT
#1324
On August 23 2013 09:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if France is threatening force that automatically means UK, Italy following suit. Here's hoping it stays a "European" affair.


"NATO"
starleague forever
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
August 23 2013 12:15 GMT
#1325
On August 23 2013 17:35 tokicheese wrote:
Why would Assad use chemical weapons now when he's clearly already gained the upper hand....

He wouldn't, that's why i think it was the rebels trying to make it look like it was an assad's business, the other option is that Assad or one of assad generals is THAT stupid to actually use chemical weapons.

And we'll see what happens with OTAN.

On August 23 2013 17:14 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 09:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if France is threatening force that automatically means UK, Italy following suit.

Why ?
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 09:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Here's hoping it stays a "European" affair.

There is nothing to gain in Syria for the European countries, except a good pat on the back from Obama. it was always an American affair first. Oh and Israeli, Saoudian, Qatari, Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanian, Turkish, Kurdish and Russian too lol.

Oh hell there is.

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It is always energy/oil man.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2013 14:51 GMT
#1326
TRIPOLI, Lebanon -- Twin car bombs exploded outside mosques in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli Friday, killing at least 27 people, wounding over 350 and wreaking major destruction in the country's second largest city, Lebanese Health Ministry officials said.

Footage aired on local TV showed thick, black smoke billowing over the city and bodies scattered beside burning cars in scenes reminiscent of Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war.

The blasts hit amid soaring tensions in Lebanon as a result of Syria's civil war, which has sharply polarized the country along sectarian lines and between supporters and opponents of the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. It was the second such bombing in just over a week, showing the degree to which the tiny country is being consumed by the raging war next door.

Tripoli, a predominantly Sunni Muslim city, has seen frequent clashes between Sunnis and Alawites, a Shiite offshoot sect to which Assad belongs. But the city itself has rarely seen such explosions in recent years.

Friday's blasts mark the first time in years that such explosions have targeted Sunni strongholds and were bound to raise sectarian tensions in the country to new levels. It was also the most powerful and deadliest in Tripoli since the end of the civil war.

Attacks have become common in the past few months against Shiite strongholds in Lebanon, particularly following the open participation of the militant Shiite Hezbollah group on behalf of Assad in Syria's civil war.


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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
August 23 2013 15:00 GMT
#1327
On August 23 2013 21:15 Uvantak wrote:
Oh hell there is.

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It is always energy/oil man.

http://www.inogate.org/

Why would they fight for a pipeline in Syria when they want to build more between Europe and Russia ? I mean it would make Poutine angry no ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
oranget
Profile Joined August 2013
Slovakia22 Posts
August 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#1328
little bit old news http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-nato-supplying-syria-opposition-terrorists-with-chemical-weapons/5337281
oranget
Profile Joined August 2013
Slovakia22 Posts
August 23 2013 19:49 GMT
#1329
brave fighters for freedom :D
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2013 23:00 GMT
#1330
Russia -- one of the most tenacious allies of the Syrian regime -- has called on the the government of President Bashar al-Assad to allow a mission of United Nations inspectors to investigate alleged chemical attacks in the suburbs of Damascus and guarantee safe passage for U.N. workers entering the country, according to Reuters.

Russia has also called on forces opposed to Assad's government to guarantee the investigators' safety. Russia's appeal to Syria comes after months of warnings from Moscow against foreign intervention in the two-year civil war that has left more than 100,000 people dead and displaced nearly 2 million Syrians, including 1 million children.

Video footage that has not been independently verified by Al Jazeera shows what appears to be the remnants of a chemical weapons attack.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon asked the Syrian government to allow U.N. inspectors to investigate the allegations "without delay."

Ban said the use of chemical weapons in Syria would constitute a "crime against humanity" and a violation of international law. He also warned Assad's government of "serious consequences" if their use is proved.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 03:07:37
August 24 2013 03:06 GMT
#1331
WASHINGTON, Aug 23 (Reuters) - U.S. and allied intelligence agencies have made a preliminary assessment that chemical weapons were used by Syrian forces in an attack near Damascus this week, likely with high-level approval from the government of President Bashar al-Assad, according to American and European security sources.

The early intelligence finding could increase pressure for action by President Barack Obama, who made clear that he planned to tread cautiously even as his aides sought to narrow their differences in debate over possible military responses to the Syrian government.

The sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, cautioned that the assessment was preliminary and, at this stage, they were still seeking conclusive proof, which could take days, weeks or even longer to gather.

But with a mounting international outcry over the apparent mass poisoning of hundreds of people, the issue appeared to have taken on a sense of urgency for the Obama administration.

In his first public comments since Wednesday's attack in the Damascus suburbs, Obama called the incident a "big event of grave concern" and one that demanded U.S. attention, but said he was in no rush to get war-weary Americans "mired" in another Middle East conflict.

Obama's wary response, which underscored a deep reluctance by Washington to intervene in Syria's 2-1/2-year-old civil war, came as senior U.S. officials weighed choices ranging from increased international sanctions to the use of force, including possible air strikes on Assad's forces, administration sources said.


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Materials implicating the forces of Syrian president Bashar Assad in chemical weapons use near Damascus were prepared prior to the alleged incident on August 21, the Russian foreign ministry said.

Moscow continues to monitor closely the event surrounding the “alleged” chemical attack near Damascus, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich, said in a statement.

“We’re getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature,” he stressed. “In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action.”

Below are the three videos posted on Youtube said to be showing the child victims affected by chemical weapons near Damascus. Despite the date of the alleged attack – August 21 – being mentioned in their titles, they were posted on YouTube one the previous day, August 20.


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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
August 24 2013 10:44 GMT
#1332
a chemical attack is some kind of a poisonous gas, isn't it? So after such an attack how long the zone remains contaminated, the gas remains in the air and possibly gets to other areas becaouse of wind?
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
Subject011
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden32 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 19:03:33
August 24 2013 11:17 GMT
#1333
On August 24 2013 19:44 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
a chemical attack is some kind of a poisonous gas, isn't it? So after such an attack how long the zone remains contaminated, the gas remains in the air and possibly gets to other areas becaouse of wind?


It was likely Sarin that was used, it dissipates very quickly. Sarin isn't an area denial weapon, it's designed to allow your forces to take space after an attack. Assad also has VX gas in his arsenal, which is on the other end of the spectrum - it remains on the scene far longer and is also much more deadly.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 24 2013 18:48 GMT
#1334
via times of Israel:

The chemical weapons allegedly used to kill hundreds of Syrian civilians by the regime of President Bashar Assad last Wednesday were fired by the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division of the Syrian Army, an Israel TV report said.

This division is under the command of the president’s brother, Maher Assad.

The nerve gas shells were fired from a military base in a mountain range to the west of Damascus, the Channel 2 news report said.

The embattled regime has concentrated its vast stocks of chemical weaponry in just two or three locations, the report said, under the control of Syrian Air Force Intelligence, itself reporting to the president.

The TV report further added that “the assessment in Israel” is that the attack was intended to serve as the possible start of a wider operation.

It said Israel was increasingly concerned about the use of chemical weapons in Syria, and their possibility of these weapons falling into still more dangerous hands than those of Assad. Israel was “privately” making clear its concerns to the United States, the report said.

In his first response Thursday to the alleged attack, Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that Iran was closely watching how the world would deal with the attack.

“Syria has become Iran’s testing ground, and Iran is closely watching whether and how the world responds to the atrocities committed there by its client state Syria and its proxy Hezbollah against innocent civilians in Syria,” he said.


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Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
August 24 2013 19:09 GMT
#1335
On August 24 2013 00:00 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 21:15 Uvantak wrote:
Oh hell there is.

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It is always energy/oil man.

http://www.inogate.org/

Why would they fight for a pipeline in Syria when they want to build more between Europe and Russia ? I mean it would make Poutine angry no ?

That's one of the reasons why the EU countries didn't really wanted to get into Syria, since the money they would earn from this pipe and war compensations it is not enough to soak the losses from the war now that they are in recession, but now that chemical weapons have been used, they will have to spend some money on war anyways so why not earn a little with the pipes?

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frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
August 24 2013 19:30 GMT
#1336
This is a dirty war with Islamist vs Dicator Loyalists. They are both bad new and both commit atrocities.
.
The bad thing is this is turning into a propaganda war and very big powers both support opposite sides. This COULD turn even more ugly than it already is...

I'm seriously concerned.
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 25 2013 00:08 GMT
#1337
Nobody is going to start WW3 over Syria. Anyways...

DAMASCUS, Syria — The Syrian government accused rebels of using chemical weapons Saturday and warned the United States not to launch any military action against Damascus over an alleged chemical attack last week, saying such a move would set the Middle East ablaze.

The accusations by the regime of President Bashar Assad against opposition forces came as an international aid group said it has tallied 355 deaths from a purported chemical weapons attack on Wednesday in a suburb of the Syrian capital known as Ghouta.

Syria is intertwined in alliances with Iran, Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas and Palestinian militant groups. The country also borders its longtime foe and U.S. ally Israel, making the fallout from military action unpredictable.

Violence in Syria has already spilled over the past year to Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq and the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. Battle-hardened Hezbollah fighters have joined the combat alongside Assad's forces.

Meanwhile, U.S. naval units are moving closer to Syria as President Barack Obama considers a military response to the alleged use of chemical weapons by Assad's government.

U.S. defense officials told The Associated Press that the Navy had sent a fourth warship armed with ballistic missiles into the eastern Mediterranean Sea but without immediate orders for any missile launch into Syria. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss ship movements publicly.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 25 2013 05:56 GMT
#1338
BRITISH and US military planners are drawing up potential targets for missile strikes on Syria amid growing certainty that the Assad regime was behind chemical weapons attacks which killed hundreds of civilians last week.

David Cameron and Barack Obama discussed “a serious response” including military action in a 40-minute phone call last night, according to Downing Street.

While there has been no decision on whether to go ahead with a strike, staff in London and Washington are compiling a list of targets, among a range of options.

Last week’s chemical attack by President Bashar al-Assad, and his failure to allow UN weapons inspectors to take samples from victims of the strikes, has forced Obama and Cameron to look at “all the options”, Downing Street said.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 25 2013 08:09 GMT
#1339
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
August 25 2013 09:17 GMT
#1340
Stealthblue, I have no idea what I'm watching. Could you give a few lines of summary?
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