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Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 428
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2592 Posts
Fucking assholes, like usual. | ||
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Billyboy
891 Posts
On December 08 2024 10:51 ZeroByte13 wrote: As someone said, potentially bad time for christians and wrong kind of muslims, depending on who'll be in power. Yeah, the most likely outcome is it is similarly awful with just different targets. But this regime set the bar pretty damn low so there is a little hope. Russia and Iran losing influence is likely a win, but I guess we shall see. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17962 Posts
On December 09 2024 01:33 Billyboy wrote: Yeah, the most likely outcome is it is similarly awful with just different targets. But this regime set the bar pretty damn low so there is a little hope. Russia and Iran losing influence is likely a win, but I guess we shall see. Russia and Iran have very little influence in Egypt and by all accounts it's a hellhole for anyone who doesn't vocally agree with the government. Saudi Arabia is worse still. My hope for Syria is vanishingly small. Then again, it's hard to imagine something worse than Assad. So baby steps, maybe? | ||
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hitthat
Poland2266 Posts
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Billyboy
891 Posts
On December 09 2024 00:15 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: And of course Israel tries their hardest to fuck this up. Fucking assholes, like usual. I'm not sure it is all bad. Many people might be happy that Israel took out the chemical weapons, missile facilities and so on depending on who rises to power. Lots of good things being said but more reasons to be very wary of whoever take over next. I wonder how this impacts the refugee crisis? More of the same? Or do some go back to Syria but others are fleeing? Edit: Massive celebrations by refugees across Europe. | ||
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Billyboy
891 Posts
Hezbollah now can not be rearmed by Iran except by sea, which will take a long time. As now an enemy separates Lebanon and Iran. | ||
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ZeroByte13
759 Posts
On December 10 2024 03:29 Billyboy wrote: I wonder how many will actually return home now.Edit: Massive celebrations by refugees across Europe. | ||
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Billyboy
891 Posts
On December 10 2024 04:47 ZeroByte13 wrote: I wonder how many will actually return home now. I have absolutely no clue. Should at least stem the flow, unless it just changes the "who" of who is coming. | ||
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Yurie
11799 Posts
On December 10 2024 04:47 ZeroByte13 wrote: I wonder how many will actually return home now. Probably depends on if a stable-ish government arises or a new civil war starts for leadership. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15641 Posts
On December 10 2024 04:43 Billyboy wrote: Also interesting quote from the leader of the HTS and likely the new leader of Syria, Abu Mohammad al-Jolani "We are open to Friendship with everyone in the gegion, including Israel. We have no enemies except the Assad regime, Hezbollah and Iran. What Israel did against Hezbollah in Lebanon helped us a lot. Now we will take care of the rest." Hezbollah now can not be rearmed by Iran except by sea, which will take a long time. As now an enemy separates Lebanon and Iran. This would be an absolute banger of a turn of events. I think this situation with Syria as a whole gives credit to the idea that the west has been measured in their response to Russia/Ukraine because of the benefits to Russia losing its grip on the middle east. Syria and Lebanon becoming Israel-friendly would basically lock in the whole region for the west. | ||
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Legan
Finland402 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13864 Posts
On December 10 2024 16:19 Legan wrote: Why does Israel say that the border agreement with Syria is null if their security buffer is supposed to be only temporary? Its free real estate+Syria isn't a real country anymore, scrambling to get bargaining chips for any future negotiations or going off their experience of pre-emptive attacks vs not pre-empting attacks. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2266 Posts
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Yurie
11799 Posts
On December 11 2024 01:59 hitthat wrote: If Israel try to annex syrian land, its crossing the line. If UN won't do anything again because of US or anyone and at least sanction their asses, better they disband and go fuck themselves, because it proves they waste the fucking time and money on fighting nudity in anime instead of doing something useful. UN is a discussion club that now and then get good things done. Mostly in its aid organizations or sometimes in peace keeping actions. As long as it serves as a discussion club it serves its purpose. As we get more digital that part perhaps becomes less relevant. | ||
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pmp10
3313 Posts
On December 11 2024 01:59 hitthat wrote: If Israel try to annex syrian land, its crossing the line. If UN won't do anything again because of US or anyone and at least sanction their asses, better they disband and go fuck themselves, because it proves they waste the fucking time and money on fighting nudity in anime instead of doing something useful. That's how UN always worked. It will continue this was as long as US finds it useful. | ||
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Billyboy
891 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15641 Posts
On December 11 2024 01:59 hitthat wrote: If Israel try to annex syrian land, its crossing the line. If UN won't do anything again because of US or anyone and at least sanction their asses, better they disband and go fuck themselves, because it proves they waste the fucking time and money on fighting nudity in anime instead of doing something useful. I think it is a bit dishonest to pretend there is some kinda permanent border in this particular region especially when the government is officially toppled. Syria is perhaps one of the best examples of a failed state where land has been controlled by various factions for a very long time. When Syrian land has been in non-government control for years, it is super ridiculous to say some previous border must be respected. Golan Heights having such enormous strategic significance means Israel would be totally insane to not take the opportunity to just lock that in for good. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2266 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17962 Posts
On December 12 2024 06:09 hitthat wrote: Oh come on... There is a good reason why forced annexations were forbiden by national law. It was made to preserve balance of power and stability, protect smaller states and prevent the cycles of retributions and land grab races between political actors. I know that at least with Syria stability and retribution is not a problem, because there is no stability and Syria has grudge against Israelis no metter what. But the danger of land grab racing is still substantial. Precedents like that may normalize wars of annexation. There is a reason why i was against separation of Kosovo and why I am so hostile to Russians who rationalize war against Ukraine. Borders are just lines on maps. Reifying them is not great, because sometimes those lines on maps need to change places. Kosovo was a bit late to the party of "let's get the fuck away from Serbia", but why are you against Kosovo getting a line on a map, but seem unworried about the rest of former Yugoslavia getting lines on maps? For that matter, I'll assume you're also against the separation of South Sudan? What would you think of the Kurds getting a bit of Northern Syria to build their own nation? Obviously the Golan Heights are a different case. The people in the Golan Heights weren't even considered when redrawing the lines. Just like the annexation of Ukraine. Sham elections are a sham. You can't first replace the population and then vote. It's why the Saharoui reject the idea of a referendum on independence from Morocco. But it's definitely not as simple as saying that the lines on the map should stay there because they're there. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2266 Posts
On December 12 2024 15:57 Acrofales wrote: Reifying them is not great, because sometimes those lines on maps need to change places. Kosovo was a bit late to the party of "let's get the fuck away from Serbia", but why are you against Kosovo getting a line on a map, but seem unworried about the rest of former Yugoslavia getting lines on maps? Fair point, althou separation of Slovenia was not even controversial inside Yugoslavia and many were surprised the thing escalated into war. On December 12 2024 15:57 Acrofales wrote: For that matter, I'll assume you're also against the separation of South Sudan? What would you think of the Kurds getting a bit of Northern Syria to build their own nation? No, because it was not a forced separation, it was effect of peace agreement on the basis of referendum. South Sudan is completely irrelevant to the discusion because it doesn't involve forced annexation. Kurds should have been independent country long ago, because keeping around 20 milion nation as stateless is insanity and I would gladly seen the nations possesing kurdish lands understood that fact sooner or later. I still would not support foreign intervention for their independence against the UN lack of approval. The difference between Kurds and Kosovo is also the Albanians already had their own state that was able to fulfil their national aspirations. Stopping serbian crimes is one thing, depriving them of territory is another. I think as a Spanish you agree that if Katalonians or Basques were granted independence by foreign intervention, many in Spain would be outraged, and unlike Albanians they do not have their own state securing their ethnic/national interests and are completely dependent on spanish good will, lawfulness of spanish state and stable democracy. On December 12 2024 15:57 Acrofales wrote: Obviously the Golan Heights are a different case. The people in the Golan Heights weren't even considered when redrawing the lines. Just like the annexation of Ukraine. Sham elections are a sham. You can't first replace the population and then vote. It's why the Saharoui reject the idea of a referendum on independence from Morocco. But it's definitely not as simple as saying that the lines on the map should stay there because they're there. They could change whatever they want as long as not forced by foreign aggression. Czechoslovakia or USRR going disolved are not controvertial, just like new states created after victorious independence war. Iraq attacking Kuwait or Falklands attacked by Argentina are completely different case, althou I understand that border disputes are difficult subject. With Israel creating their so-called "buffer zones" there is no territorial dispute. It just looks like a forced land grab with little justification, althou I will wait to see if Israel annex it of will retreat after their stated goals are reached. | ||
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