On August 03 2012 06:19 mememolly wrote: To those people who are saying Nolan is a great director or that TDK is the best movie ever, I recommend you watch the link below, some nerd breaks down a famous action scene in TDK and shows why it's badly edited/directed etc, this was something that I noticed in TDKR as well, the action sequences are often confusing/a mash up of shots that don't follow one another coherently
The Dark Knight had the best performances, the best storyline and the most faithful presentation of the Batman character.
In TDKR, Batman takes 7 years off and then ends up "dead," that's not the caped crusader I know and love. Someone want to point me to the comic that storyline is based on :\
On August 03 2012 07:04 DeepElemBlues wrote: I couldn't suspend my disbelief that the US government would allow a mass-murdering anarchist to take over a major city for 5 months and do nothing but send in some special forces and then just give up when they fail. Real world: military bombs the shit out of Gotham City and sends in the tanks, Bane's uprising lasts approximately 3 days.
Come on DeepElemBlues, I respect your opinion for a lot of the things you post on this site but do you really think the US government would go head first against a guy with a nuke and millions of hostages?
On August 03 2012 00:07 corumjhaelen wrote: Spiderman 2-3
The second was a very nice movie, but are you seriously mentionen Spiderman 3 as being good? It might be one of the worst superhero films I have ever seen, mostly because it was such a clusterfuck of heroes and villains, and a super bad Venom portrayal.
That being said, I really enjoyed TDKR, I didn't find it as exciting as TDK but still a very nice and enjoyable film.
I wasn't asked a good movie, I was asked better than TDKR. Spiderman 3 is average, but has some saving features, such as this scene :
I haven't seen them, but I'm confident the two Burton's Batman are better movies than TDKR. Only really good movie in my list is Unbreakable though.
Wait, so spiderman 3 having terrible plot, terrible villains, terrible ending, and terrible fucking emo spiderman scene... and you pick 1 randomly done CGI scene of a bunch of pebbles and sand forming into a man as the saving grace? THE CG WASNT EVEN THAT AMAZING. wow
It was oO SPiderman is faithful to the comic and decently played (contrary to Bale...), the plot isn't worse than TDKR, and the movie is better shot. I stand by my opinion (if you read my other post in the thread I think you'll get me better).
On August 03 2012 06:19 mememolly wrote: To those people who are saying Nolan is a great director or that TDK is the best movie ever, I recommend you watch the link below, some nerd breaks down a famous action scene in TDK and shows why it's badly edited/directed etc, this was something that I noticed in TDKR as well, the action sequences are often confusing/a mash up of shots that don't follow one another coherently
If I were a movie director or movie critic with hours on my hands to watch frame by frame, I suspect that I would care about "the axis of action", and "reversal of sides".
I'm not either of those two things, and anyone who says that things like that detract from a quality of a movie is either trying to prove that they are a highly cultured watcher or a person with a degree in filmmaking just pointing out errors in continuity and not attempting to demean the movie.
I haven't watched the video, but it's obvious that Nolan doesn't know how to shot an action scene, I already complained about it. You don't need any technical knowledge to understand that, you just need to watch movies. I guess the video tries to explain it with the technical knowledge, which surly is interesting. Also the action scene sucking in an action movie is a pretty big problem, but that's just my opinion.
"Reviewing" a movie by going scene by scene, analyzing every frame and trying to find "plotholes" is the very definition of a amateur attempt at reviewing a movie. Its what those manchildren at ThatGuyWithTheGlasses do and post a video called a "review". All of these so called reviews fail at absolutely getting the point of the movie, they see the movie as a school project rather than film as whole.
They usually grew up with Kevin Smith and Tarantino flicks in the 1990s and today make videos on Youtube and other places show casing their absolute lack of knowledge of the medium.
spoiler inc for Terminator 2
It reminds me of a classic review of Terminator 2 with one of these hipster dorks, where he said the movie was "ruined" because a Terminator dies when extreme heat (from lava) does damage to them, yet a freshly fired bullet contains similar heat and thus should have done damage to both of them.
Basically it was a goddamn stupid argument, and a stupid way to review a film. May as well complain that every movie sucks because the characters rarely eat, shit or sleep in them. Therefore its unrealistic, thus it sucks.
Other than ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, which is done more for (poor) comedy, check out ConfusedMatthew, the quintessential example of a piss poor reviewer, typical Tarantino fanatic, who lacks the ability to take a movie on a as whole.
On August 03 2012 06:19 mememolly wrote: To those people who are saying Nolan is a great director or that TDK is the best movie ever, I recommend you watch the link below, some nerd breaks down a famous action scene in TDK and shows why it's badly edited/directed etc, this was something that I noticed in TDKR as well, the action sequences are often confusing/a mash up of shots that don't follow one another coherently
The Dark Knight had the best performances, the best storyline and the most faithful presentation of the Batman character.
In TDKR, Batman takes 7 years off and then ends up "dead," that's not the caped crusader I know and love. Someone want to point me to the comic that storyline is based on :\
On August 03 2012 00:07 corumjhaelen wrote: Spiderman 2-3
The second was a very nice movie, but are you seriously mentionen Spiderman 3 as being good? It might be one of the worst superhero films I have ever seen, mostly because it was such a clusterfuck of heroes and villains, and a super bad Venom portrayal.
That being said, I really enjoyed TDKR, I didn't find it as exciting as TDK but still a very nice and enjoyable film.
I wasn't asked a good movie, I was asked better than TDKR. Spiderman 3 is average, but has some saving features, such as this scene : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOa5bWFRKw I haven't seen them, but I'm confident the two Burton's Batman are better movies than TDKR. Only really good movie in my list is Unbreakable though.
Wait, so spiderman 3 having terrible plot, terrible villains, terrible ending, and terrible fucking emo spiderman scene... and you pick 1 randomly done CGI scene of a bunch of pebbles and sand forming into a man as the saving grace? THE CG WASNT EVEN THAT AMAZING. wow
It was oO SPiderman is faithful to the comic and decently played (contrary to Bale...), the plot isn't worse than TDKR, and the movie is better shot. I stand by my opinion (if you read my other post in the thread I think you'll get me better).
Sorry, but many would disagree with you there. Spiderman movies take just as many liberties as the Dark Knight movies, and many would argue that Maguire's performance as Peter Parker wasn't that great either (Garfield's portrayl was much better). The only thing I can't really dispute right away is whether or not it's better shot ..
On August 03 2012 00:07 corumjhaelen wrote: Spiderman 2-3
The second was a very nice movie, but are you seriously mentionen Spiderman 3 as being good? It might be one of the worst superhero films I have ever seen, mostly because it was such a clusterfuck of heroes and villains, and a super bad Venom portrayal.
That being said, I really enjoyed TDKR, I didn't find it as exciting as TDK but still a very nice and enjoyable film.
I wasn't asked a good movie, I was asked better than TDKR. Spiderman 3 is average, but has some saving features, such as this scene : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOa5bWFRKw I haven't seen them, but I'm confident the two Burton's Batman are better movies than TDKR. Only really good movie in my list is Unbreakable though.
Wait, so spiderman 3 having terrible plot, terrible villains, terrible ending, and terrible fucking emo spiderman scene... and you pick 1 randomly done CGI scene of a bunch of pebbles and sand forming into a man as the saving grace? THE CG WASNT EVEN THAT AMAZING. wow
It was oO SPiderman is faithful to the comic and decently played (contrary to Bale...), the plot isn't worse than TDKR, and the movie is better shot. I stand by my opinion (if you read my other post in the thread I think you'll get me better).
Sorry, but many would disagree with you there. Spiderman movies take just as many liberties as the Dark Knight movies, and many would argue that Maguire's performance as Peter Parker wasn't that great either (Garfield's portrayl was much better). The only thing I can't really dispute right away is whether or not it's better shot ..
Bingo.
I mean, how was it faithful to the comic at all, while parker is supposed to be a college nerd, he's also a genius. It bothers me to no end that the black suit seemingly appears out of nowhere. That his webbing (non-black suit) isn't from cartridges (HUGEEEEE difference between randomly shooting it out, it doesn't even explain why he has to use his 2 middle fingers the way he does to shoot it unlike the web shooters that he develops, builds, and has to refill mid fight...very common occurance in the comics). the plot was terrible, the entirety of movie 2 and movie 3 has harry hating peters guts for killing his father, and in 1 random 5 minute scene, peter comes asking for help, and the BUTLER says 'i checked your fathers wounds, he died by his own hand', and 2 entire movies worth of hatred is forgotten. Where was this butler during movie 2, and most of movie 3, and why did he wait until then to tell his beloved master the truth? Sandman being part of the group that was involved with killing of peters uncle is NOT faithful to the comic either. Then the ending, having Sandman just fade away into the wind after flashback no jutsu (check out the anime threads) is just ugh....
But that's off topic now.
I still stand by my defense that TDKR was an amazing movie, and that the entire TDK trilogy will go down in my books at least, as one of the greatest if not THE greatest comic book movie series.
On August 03 2012 06:19 mememolly wrote: To those people who are saying Nolan is a great director or that TDK is the best movie ever, I recommend you watch the link below, some nerd breaks down a famous action scene in TDK and shows why it's badly edited/directed etc, this was something that I noticed in TDKR as well, the action sequences are often confusing/a mash up of shots that don't follow one another coherently
The Dark Knight had the best performances, the best storyline and the most faithful presentation of the Batman character.
In TDKR, Batman takes 7 years off and then ends up "dead," that's not the caped crusader I know and love. Someone want to point me to the comic that storyline is based on :\
These movies don't tie into any of the comics. The point of these movies is to tell a completely different story of batman. Think of them as an entirely different set of comics. Batman Begins explains the manifestation of Batman; in between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight all the other classic batman crime fighting stuff happens, although no set of movies was made of this because it doesn't directly tie into the overall legend of Nolan's Batman; The Dark Knight is Batman's moral sacrifice as he choses to become the villan in the eyes of the people so the city can keep it's respect for the fallen Harvey Dent and all he had accomplished, although this was based on a lie that would haunt him; and The Dark Knight Rise's is Batman's ascension as not just a symbol, but as the spirit of Gotham. Bruces alter ego finally laid to rest, absorbed by the city and it's people.
I just got back from watching it for a second time, but this time I watched Batman Begins before hand to refresh my memory and it made all the difference!
A crowd charging into a line of people with automatic weapons, though? I know it's a minor thing, but that totally blew my suspension of disbelief. I saw that, and literally thought "welp, that's retarded, every one of those people would be dead in about 30 seconds". It just ruined my immersion....
Yeah? You know a lot about charging into gun fire? Just look at D Day. The Allies charged into far greater fire power and far greater positioning and still got it done. Automatic weapons can jam, run out of ammo, miss, etc... Not to mention only the first and maybe second row of guys could fire and that street was pretty narrow. That many guys charging forward would certainly not be gunned down by a dozen or so assault rifles. Not every bullet = one kill.
Anyways, I loved the movie. Begins is my favorite and then this one is tied with TDK. Some of the things I hated from TDK were fixed in this one, but then other things I didn't liked popped up. Regardless, I still loved it and I'm sorry for you if you didn't. Go watch Avengers or something.
A crowd charging into a line of people with automatic weapons, though? I know it's a minor thing, but that totally blew my suspension of disbelief. I saw that, and literally thought "welp, that's retarded, every one of those people would be dead in about 30 seconds". It just ruined my immersion....
Yeah? You know a lot about charging into gun fire? Just look at D Day. The Allies charged into far greater fire power and far greater positioning and still got it done. Automatic weapons can jam, run out of ammo, miss, etc... Not to mention only the first and maybe second row of guys could fire and that street was pretty narrow. That many guys charging forward would certainly not be gunned down by a dozen or so assault rifles. Not every bullet = one kill.
exactly, for a good example just watch any pro TvZ game
A crowd charging into a line of people with automatic weapons, though? I know it's a minor thing, but that totally blew my suspension of disbelief. I saw that, and literally thought "welp, that's retarded, every one of those people would be dead in about 30 seconds". It just ruined my immersion....
Yeah? You know a lot about charging into gun fire? Just look at D Day. The Allies charged into far greater fire power and far greater positioning and still got it done. Automatic weapons can jam, run out of ammo, miss, etc... Not to mention only the first and maybe second row of guys could fire and that street was pretty narrow. That many guys charging forward would certainly not be gunned down by a dozen or so assault rifles. Not every bullet = one kill.
exactly, for a good example just watch any pro TvZ game
: P People are so engrossed in these Middle Eastern wars they forgot what real war is like, a few thousand have died since the Middle Eastern conflicts? Try multiple million in a 40 year span through some of the most bloody grueling wars ever conceived, these "wars" are fabric to the sheet. The scene with the cops running towards the gunman was extremely realistic, especially since the main police chief (or whatever he was) died instantly as that was likely to happen, 3000+ cops wearing kevlar and having handguns will most likely be able to engage 500+ militants holding assault rifles, especially if they knew that if they didn't do anything, they'd be dead anyway.
On August 03 2012 06:19 mememolly wrote: To those people who are saying Nolan is a great director or that TDK is the best movie ever, I recommend you watch the link below, some nerd breaks down a famous action scene in TDK and shows why it's badly edited/directed etc, this was something that I noticed in TDKR as well, the action sequences are often confusing/a mash up of shots that don't follow one another coherently
The Dark Knight had the best performances, the best storyline and the most faithful presentation of the Batman character.
In TDKR, Batman takes 7 years off and then ends up "dead," that's not the caped crusader I know and love. Someone want to point me to the comic that storyline is based on :\
Just saw it today and honestly i thought it was only mediocre. Didn´t really like the dialogs too much, pretty lame action scenes and the german syncro for Bane was so unbelievable bad... Maybe gonna have to rewatch it in english, but i´m a bit disappointed. 6,5/10
On August 04 2012 14:19 Samba wrote: Just saw it today and honestly i thought it was only mediocre. Didn´t really like the dialogs too much, pretty lame action scenes and the german syncro for Bane was so unbelievable bad... Maybe gonna have to rewatch it in english, but i´m a bit disappointed. 6,5/10
Bane's voice (english version) is so fucking badass (2nd version is the one released)
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