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On March 15 2011 03:42 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:33 Sufficiency wrote:
He deserves to be suspended. What he just did could have killed the other boy. I am fairly sure that almost all States Law will tell you that you cannot kill someone no matter the duress - in this case, the skinny boy landed face first, an act which could have easily crippled or killed him. The school obviously cannot condone such an act.
What Casey did is nevertheless admirable. Law and moral are not always the same, after all. Actually self-defense goes along way, as does being a minor.If Casey did break this kid's neck, with the videotape out there, Casey wouldn't have much to worry about. The school would be most responsible. And if these were adults, Casey still could plead self-defense to a large degree. If these were adults, with four people standing around while one gets punched in face, we'd call that a "gang beating", and if the person getting beat on manages to body-slam his way out of the situation - BRAVO. Self-defense. It's extreme, but some kids need to understand that when you engage in physical violence you are throwing away your rights. You CAN die. That's what happens, shit gets real, and that's why you don't start fights just to impress your friends.
And this right here is where it becomes irrelevant whether he "did the right thing" or not. They should have been under watch of adults. Why do children have almost no responsibility whatsoever? Because they're children. May as well criticize the kid for not having a full time job. He's not an adult and its not appropriate to approach this situation as if he is. He's not even a teenager...This entire situation is the fault of the school.
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People are greatly underestimating the damage "a few punches or kicks" could do to someone. It is just as dangerous as a body slam is when you are twice the size of your opponent.
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On March 15 2011 03:39 Almin wrote:
Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight.
Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person.
What part of there were at least three bullies is so difficult to understand? You never **** around like that when there are multiple possible assailants, especially if you're untrained. Every martial art/CQB course teaches that and it holds true for all ages.
I seriously doubt Casey knows kung fu, but his actions are justifiable. People who get torn up just because it happened to a kid should remember that it was also happening to a kid, not Einstein or Rousseau.
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On March 15 2011 03:45 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
so is it true the instigator in this didn't get a suspension? Does he need to? His pain and suffering is enough. Looks to me that he might have to stay in hospital for days.
are you serious? he is the reason the conflict even existed.
he deserved a suspension for throwing punches and starting the entire thing.
that's like saying someone who robs a bank doesn't need to answer to the law if he is shot and wounded and doesn't escape because "the pain and suffering of the gunshot is enough"
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On March 15 2011 03:36 Mecker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:31 Mjolnir wrote:On March 15 2011 03:25 Mecker wrote:On March 15 2011 03:19 buickskylark wrote:
this video shows that life is for the aggressive. If you dominate someone, you hold power over them. If they retaliate, they have to do so in a way that is not seen too excessive because they could face penalties. My opinion is if you do harm to someone, verbally or physically, you get everything you deserve in return. It doesn't matter if you're a kid or a girl, if you show disrespect to someone and they retaliate-even if they kill you-you deserve it. On March 15 2011 03:19 Leporello wrote:
If you punch someone in the face without provocation, in my book, you waive your right to not have your neck broken by concrete.
Good for that kid for not taking that crap. Prime examples of how lowly-developed minds rationalize violence - I pity you far more than I pity that bully because he has the excuse of being a child. Please. What an utterly condescending statement. How would you handle a situation where: - you have been bullied and physically harassed for years - no other avenue to get help has provided any - you are cornered by a group of people mocking you - one of those people is punching you in the face - hard- there's nobody around to help you and walking away isn't an option Would I be a lowly-developed individual for thinking it was my best recourse to fight back and defend myself? If things went in my favour, would I be an even shittier/dumber person for thinking they had it coming? I thank you good sir for completely misinterpreting my post and wasting both our time. My comment wasn't about Casey's reaction, it was about the ludicrous comments being written down as I write this. A supposedly mature adult should be able to realize that additional violence to the extent of murder in a situation like this is just ridiculous. It's their primitive minds doing the thinking - needless to say that isn't rational.
Oh please. I got your post just fine.
If you were so smitten with the idea of pointing out how lowly intellects rationalize violence, maybe you shouldn't have generalized so much in your post. He didn't say anything about "murder", and his "rationalization of violence" springs from a pretty clear-cut scenario that no human in their right mind would sit back and stand for.
So - perhaps he was a bit overzealous with his chants of someone deserving a broken neck - but that's not an opportunity for you to come down on him as someone with inferior intellect or poor moral judgment simply because he believes violence can actually stop further violence by sending a strong message.
And for the record, it can be completely rational to view violence as an appropriate response.
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On March 15 2011 03:41 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:36 Ocedic wrote:On March 15 2011 03:31 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 03:30 B.I.G. wrote:
to bad the bully didnt break his neck and got paralyzed for the rest of his live. if casey wouldve followed up that boss throw with some punches and kicks to the face i wouldve cheered for him even more. I have 0 tolerance for retards who get violent on people who didnt do anything wrong just to make themselves feel better. wtf, it's a fucking kid. that said, it did give me a twinge of pleasure to see him slam into the concrete. Being a kid doesn't somehow alleviate guilt of doing terrible things. He is clearly old enough to realize his actions cause suffering. In fact, that's WHY he does it. If anything, that sadistic behavior needs to be stamped out early, or he's just gutter trash so who cares if he's paralyzed. You think violent criminals were nice, quiet passive kids or something? uh... no, sorry, I'm not going to under any circumstances agree with you or even bother arguing with you that it's obviously not a good thing for 12-year-old bullies to get their necks broken. Lots of people that display sadistic bullying behavior as kids grow up to be decent adults...
And do you think their personalities changed on their own? Or by some adult coming over and quietly telling them to stop (which is all I ever seem to see in this passive world nowadays)? No, they got that behavior shocked out of them, and that's exactly what Casey did. Now I think that kid will grow up to be decent. Thanks to Casey.
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Wow
normally im really sceptical towards bullying
since my class had a lot of trouble with school chancellor for bullying but we never really did anything
however this video is different
thats just physical violence
provokeing and provokeing
so happy that kid got pwnd
just wish he would cry instead of his stupid "oh it didnt hurt me " laughter even if you can see hes in pain
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On March 15 2011 03:45 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
That little kid deserved it, and hopefully it will knock some sense into him. That's the kind of kid who clearly wont learn a lesson just by being told "No, stop, that's wrong to do." He needed a shock into reality, and that's exactly what Casey gave him.
From what I can find, the bully got 22 days suspension and Casey got 4 days, which I can understand. I mean, whatever the reason, Casey did retaliate, and I guess policy is policy. But that's just school policy. In my book, Casey is totally baller for standing up for and defending himself.
I think that's a very fair decision. Like I said before Casey does need to be suspended; however, being suspended does not mean he did something terribly wrong.
On March 15 2011 03:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:45 Sufficiency wrote:On March 15 2011 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
so is it true the instigator in this didn't get a suspension? Does he need to? His pain and suffering is enough. Looks to me that he might have to stay in hospital for days. are you serious? he is the reason the conflict even existed. he deserved a suspension for throwing punches and starting the entire thing. that's like saying someone who robs a bank doesn't need to answer to the law if he is shot and wounded and doesn't escape because "the pain and suffering of the gunshot is enough"
Sorry I kind of wrote that wrong. What I was trying to say was that by the time he gets out of hospital his suspension is probably over anyways.
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Wow, that was satisfying. Schools really do jack shit to stop bullying. My group of friends was picked on in high school, and complaints to the school for help and such always went completely ignored. They always said "Well we came and watched but didn't see anything" or something along those lines.
It finally culminated when someone chucked an unopened can of tunafish across the entire courtyard at us. While they *probably* intended to hit one of the boys, it missed me by inches, and hit my friend square in the face and broke her nose. Only then did the school seem to give a fuck about what happened. I remember how goddamn helpless we felt back then with shit thrown at us every day at lunch and no real way to fight back.
I would have LOVED to see those kids get the living shit beaten out of them.
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On March 15 2011 03:41 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:36 Ocedic wrote:On March 15 2011 03:31 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 03:30 B.I.G. wrote:
to bad the bully didnt break his neck and got paralyzed for the rest of his live. if casey wouldve followed up that boss throw with some punches and kicks to the face i wouldve cheered for him even more. I have 0 tolerance for retards who get violent on people who didnt do anything wrong just to make themselves feel better. wtf, it's a fucking kid. that said, it did give me a twinge of pleasure to see him slam into the concrete. Being a kid doesn't somehow alleviate guilt of doing terrible things. He is clearly old enough to realize his actions cause suffering. In fact, that's WHY he does it. If anything, that sadistic behavior needs to be stamped out early, or he's just gutter trash so who cares if he's paralyzed. You think violent criminals were nice, quiet passive kids or something? uh... no, sorry, I'm not going to under any circumstances agree with you or even bother arguing with you that it's obviously not a good thing for 12-year-old bullies to get their necks broken. Lots of people that display sadistic bullying behavior as kids grow up to be decent adults...
I don't celebrate when sky divers die in accidents, but the fact remains it was a risk they took by performing the action. Same thing if you punch and provoke someone bigger/stronger than you.
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On March 15 2011 03:47 AJMcSpiffy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:41 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 03:36 Ocedic wrote:On March 15 2011 03:31 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 03:30 B.I.G. wrote:
to bad the bully didnt break his neck and got paralyzed for the rest of his live. if casey wouldve followed up that boss throw with some punches and kicks to the face i wouldve cheered for him even more. I have 0 tolerance for retards who get violent on people who didnt do anything wrong just to make themselves feel better. wtf, it's a fucking kid. that said, it did give me a twinge of pleasure to see him slam into the concrete. Being a kid doesn't somehow alleviate guilt of doing terrible things. He is clearly old enough to realize his actions cause suffering. In fact, that's WHY he does it. If anything, that sadistic behavior needs to be stamped out early, or he's just gutter trash so who cares if he's paralyzed. You think violent criminals were nice, quiet passive kids or something? uh... no, sorry, I'm not going to under any circumstances agree with you or even bother arguing with you that it's obviously not a good thing for 12-year-old bullies to get their necks broken. Lots of people that display sadistic bullying behavior as kids grow up to be decent adults... And do you think their personalities changed on their own? Or by some adult coming over and quietly telling them to stop (which is all I ever seem to see in this passive world nowadays)? No, they got that behavior shocked out of them, and that's exactly what Casey did. Now I think that kid will grow up to be decent. Thanks to Casey.
I agree.
Edit: Well, not really. People do mature and change on their own as they grow up. It's part of the process of growing up.
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On March 15 2011 03:48 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:41 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 03:36 Ocedic wrote:On March 15 2011 03:31 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 03:30 B.I.G. wrote:
to bad the bully didnt break his neck and got paralyzed for the rest of his live. if casey wouldve followed up that boss throw with some punches and kicks to the face i wouldve cheered for him even more. I have 0 tolerance for retards who get violent on people who didnt do anything wrong just to make themselves feel better. wtf, it's a fucking kid. that said, it did give me a twinge of pleasure to see him slam into the concrete. Being a kid doesn't somehow alleviate guilt of doing terrible things. He is clearly old enough to realize his actions cause suffering. In fact, that's WHY he does it. If anything, that sadistic behavior needs to be stamped out early, or he's just gutter trash so who cares if he's paralyzed. You think violent criminals were nice, quiet passive kids or something? uh... no, sorry, I'm not going to under any circumstances agree with you or even bother arguing with you that it's obviously not a good thing for 12-year-old bullies to get their necks broken. Lots of people that display sadistic bullying behavior as kids grow up to be decent adults... I don't celebrate when sky divers die in accidents, but the fact remains it was a risk they took by performing the action. Same thing if you punch and provoke someone bigger/stronger than you.
People really need to read the context of an argument before taking part in it
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Can't believe you guys are saying that this kid took it too far. Fuck that, he just picked up the little shitbag and dumped him. Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies.
What happened in that video can be summed up by 3 words:
badass fucking justice
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On March 15 2011 03:44 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:39 carloselcoco wrote:On March 15 2011 03:30 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:21 carloselcoco wrote:On March 15 2011 03:10 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:08 carloselcoco wrote:On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote:
I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility. I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!! I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again. Are you fucking serious? How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt. The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing. LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear? BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.  Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense? No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again. The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge. Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely. Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far. I find it funny how you don't know that more people die from punches than from body slams... Both are there to hurt and both of them have the potential of killing. Punch someone on their chest, you could stop their heart. Punch someone in the neck, you could either kill the person or paralyze him. I fact, if you punch someone on their throat, you will most likely asphyxiate him. Punch someone on the neck, you could kill the person, cause bleeding inside their head, leave them blind, and many more things... You know what, I am going to stop going at it with you. Your arguments are just too incoherent and you are making me angry. Really? I find it funny that you make up statistics on the spot between puncehs and body slams. To me, its common sense that if compared, 1 punch against 1 body slam in each in a fit of rage, and see which one does more damage between a bunch of 6-8th graders, that a body slam, with the kid nearly hitting his head on the concrete pavement, would do more damage, unless you wanna say fists=pavement?
And this is what I mean by you not making any sense, talking as if real life was StarCraft, measuring your health in "damage" bars. Well, I am done with you. You are now just trolling, seriously...
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props to this kid, if you dont stick up for yourself at a young age your mind starts to grow a little weaker every time you back down, its good experience for his brain to register and in that he now realizes he can fight back, maybe he will still be afraid to get bullied, but this experience will give his mind the confidence it needs for the next time he gets into this situation, trust me ive never fought a fight, so it sucks to be that guy. 16 years old the first time i had my chance, 23 now and still a vagina. haha.  gotta get a good/real fight into ya when your young so you can protect those around you as an adult male its just my personal view though.
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On March 15 2011 03:45 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:39 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:33 Kennigit wrote:On March 15 2011 03:24 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:20 Kennigit wrote:On March 15 2011 03:10 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:08 carloselcoco wrote:On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote:
I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility. I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!! I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again. Are you fucking serious? How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt. The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing. He didn't nearly kill him. Please calm down. At worst he would have knocked him out or given him a concussion. When you are bullied, you need to shock the crowd to make it stop. Mediocre responses don't work. Rofl, not to be a jerk, but you're the one who needs to rewatch the video, he could've nearly killed him, the way he picked him up, and the way the kid landed, with different variables, easily could've resulted in the kid breaking his neck. There are plenty of stories out there, one in particular a few months ago, this bride-to-be was having a pool party, for fun her friends push her in the pool without her knowledge. Bam she breaks her neck, in a wheelchair afterwards. Those kinds of moves are dangerous, especially for kids. Sure, maybe he should have just punched the kid a few times in the head and broke his nose. Then people would be whining about concussions and brain damage. He's untrained, and the school clearly gave him no other outs - i'd much rather him smash some kid into the ground than come in with a pistol in a couple years. Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight. Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person. How many fights have you been in? Serious question, because when you fight you don't calmly sit down over the fire and figure out risk percentages. In fact the adrenaline is so high that you often have very vague memories of what exactly happened. Its really silly to argue about the body slam itself. I've been in several, enough to actually assess the risk percentages.
He's old enough to know the consequences of body slamming someone, nearly headfirst on the concrete.
My point is, he took it too far considering that if he went into a fistacuffs fight with the kid, he would've beat him hands down, and would've ended with the same results, the bullies not picking on him anymore(hopefully)
I'm not defending anyone, but the way Casey handled it was wrong, and was much more dangerous than some bully punching him a few times in the face. Two wrongs don't make a right, but if he had gotten in a fistfight, the little kid would've backed off him in the future since he would've lost either way.
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On March 15 2011 03:45 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:39 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:33 Kennigit wrote:On March 15 2011 03:24 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:20 Kennigit wrote:On March 15 2011 03:10 Almin wrote:On March 15 2011 03:08 carloselcoco wrote:On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote:
I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility. I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!! I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again. Are you fucking serious? How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt. The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing. He didn't nearly kill him. Please calm down. At worst he would have knocked him out or given him a concussion. When you are bullied, you need to shock the crowd to make it stop. Mediocre responses don't work. Rofl, not to be a jerk, but you're the one who needs to rewatch the video, he could've nearly killed him, the way he picked him up, and the way the kid landed, with different variables, easily could've resulted in the kid breaking his neck. There are plenty of stories out there, one in particular a few months ago, this bride-to-be was having a pool party, for fun her friends push her in the pool without her knowledge. Bam she breaks her neck, in a wheelchair afterwards. Those kinds of moves are dangerous, especially for kids. Sure, maybe he should have just punched the kid a few times in the head and broke his nose. Then people would be whining about concussions and brain damage. He's untrained, and the school clearly gave him no other outs - i'd much rather him smash some kid into the ground than come in with a pistol in a couple years. Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight. Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person. How many fights have you been in? Serious question, because when you fight you don't calmly sit down over the fire and figure out risk percentages. In fact the adrenaline is so high that you often have very vague memories of what exactly happened. Its really silly to argue about the body slam itself.
The answer is obviously 0 for him, and all thse jokers saying a punch is enough. You can see the bully's friends in the background rushing to help him, except they saw shit got serious and ran like the cowards they were. If Casey had just punched the kid I guarantee they would be on him like a swarm and Casey would have been punched repeatedly and maybe even paralzyed(shocker!) for trying to fight back.
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On March 15 2011 03:50 sc4k wrote:
Can't believe you guys are saying that this kid took it too far. Fuck that, he just picked up the little shitbag and dumped him. Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies.
What happened in that video can be summed up by 3 words:
badass fucking justice
HELL YEAH, none of the good people in society ever did stupid shit while they were kids.
wtf is up with all of these people who have death wishes on kids being kids?
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On March 15 2011 03:45 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
so is it true the instigator in this didn't get a suspension? Does he need to? His pain and suffering is enough. Looks to me that he might have to stay in hospital for days.
"Does he need to?" Really? He's a bully, something that should be enforced on a level way more than it currently is, and at the very least should result in a suspension, if not greater punishment, especially since the bully was bullying in a violent manner.
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It sucks that kids like Casey get all the crap when its the little pricks pearents who should be dropped on their head.
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