Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear?
BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.
Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense?
No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again.
The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge.
Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely.
Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far.
You beat the shit out of him? You animal... punches and kicks can actually severely hurt someone if you place them "well". You could've ended up in jail for it. Disgusting..
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear?
BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.
Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense?
No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again.
The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge.
Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely.
Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far.
I find it funny how you don't know that more people die from punches than from body slams... Both are there to hurt and both of them have the potential of killing. Punch someone on their chest, you could stop their heart. Punch someone in the neck, you could either kill the person or paralyze him. I fact, if you punch someone on their throat, you will most likely asphyxiate him. Punch someone on the neck, you could kill the person, cause bleeding inside their head, leave them blind, and many more things...
You know what, I am going to stop going at it with you. Your arguments are just too incoherent and you are making me angry.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
He didn't nearly kill him. Please calm down. At worst he would have knocked him out or given him a concussion. When you are bullied, you need to shock the crowd to make it stop. Mediocre responses don't work.
Rofl, not to be a jerk, but you're the one who needs to rewatch the video, he could've nearly killed him, the way he picked him up, and the way the kid landed, with different variables, easily could've resulted in the kid breaking his neck.
There are plenty of stories out there, one in particular a few months ago, this bride-to-be was having a pool party, for fun her friends push her in the pool without her knowledge. Bam she breaks her neck, in a wheelchair afterwards.
Those kinds of moves are dangerous, especially for kids.
Sure, maybe he should have just punched the kid a few times in the head and broke his nose. Then people would be whining about concussions and brain damage. He's untrained, and the school clearly gave him no other outs - i'd much rather him smash some kid into the ground than come in with a pistol in a couple years.
Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight.
Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person.
Why are so many people focusing on if Casey did the right thing or not? This entire situation is the fault of the adults working at the school. The kid bullying should have been punished and talked to about the situation. Casey should have been talked to. This whole issue was the responsibility of the school to figure out. Whatever EITHER kid does, you can't apply any more than partial blame because THEY ARE CHILDREN. The situation continued long enough to get to this point. Anything that happened past that point is the fault of the school.
I mean really, you're gonna spend time trying to figure out if an elementary school aged child made the right call? He's a child, he's supposed to fuck up. This entire situation falls on the school, not the individual children.
Most people saying that this Casey kid was in the wrong have probably never been bullied, fact is when youre in a situation like this it seems like snitching can (And most likely will) make it worse. Being picked on is degrading and makes you feel less than human, I couldnt imagine how bad being physically tormented by your peers must feel.
Long story short, casey was clearly acting in self defence he didnt want anything to do with that kid, and the kid wasnt going to stop he got put in his place.
You can't blame a 12-13 y old kid for a moment of rage after years of systematic abuse.Like others have posted you don't go "hmm, I guess slamming him into the ground might cripple him, I should just punch him because I'm bigger" in situations like this. Casey obviously has low self-esteem and he probably didn't even realize that he could fight back at all.
Going over the top would be to slam bully onto the ground and stomp on him or something.After the throw, you could instantly look at his body language and see Casey started backing of.He didn't want a further engagement.
On March 15 2011 03:30 B.I.G. wrote: to bad the bully didnt break his neck and got paralyzed for the rest of his live. if casey wouldve followed up that boss throw with some punches and kicks to the face i wouldve cheered for him even more. I have 0 tolerance for retards who get violent on people who didnt do anything wrong just to make themselves feel better.
wtf, it's a fucking kid.
that said, it did give me a twinge of pleasure to see him slam into the concrete.
Being a kid doesn't somehow alleviate guilt of doing terrible things. He is clearly old enough to realize his actions cause suffering. In fact, that's WHY he does it. If anything, that sadistic behavior needs to be stamped out early, or he's just gutter trash so who cares if he's paralyzed.
You think violent criminals were nice, quiet passive kids or something?
uh... no, sorry, I'm not going to under any circumstances agree with you or even bother arguing with you that it's obviously not a good thing for 12-year-old bullies to get their necks broken. Lots of people that display sadistic bullying behavior as kids grow up to be decent adults...
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
He didn't nearly kill him. Please calm down. At worst he would have knocked him out or given him a concussion. When you are bullied, you need to shock the crowd to make it stop. Mediocre responses don't work.
Rofl, not to be a jerk, but you're the one who needs to rewatch the video, he could've nearly killed him, the way he picked him up, and the way the kid landed, with different variables, easily could've resulted in the kid breaking his neck.
There are plenty of stories out there, one in particular a few months ago, this bride-to-be was having a pool party, for fun her friends push her in the pool without her knowledge. Bam she breaks her neck, in a wheelchair afterwards.
Those kinds of moves are dangerous, especially for kids.
Sure, maybe he should have just punched the kid a few times in the head and broke his nose. Then people would be whining about concussions and brain damage. He's untrained, and the school clearly gave him no other outs - i'd much rather him smash some kid into the ground than come in with a pistol in a couple years.
Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight.
Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person.
I'm sorry but what do you think went through his head? I really doubt he was analyzing what he can do so he won't hurt the guy who's beating the crap out of him every day.
On March 15 2011 03:33 Sufficiency wrote: He deserves to be suspended. What he just did could have killed the other boy. I am fairly sure that almost all States Law will tell you that you cannot kill someone no matter the duress - in this case, the skinny boy landed face first, an act which could have easily crippled or killed him. The school obviously cannot condone such an act.
What Casey did is nevertheless admirable. Law and moral are not always the same, after all.
Actually self-defense goes along way, as does being a minor.
If Casey did break this kid's neck, with the videotape out there, Casey wouldn't have much to worry about. The school would be most responsible.
And if these were adults, Casey still could plead self-defense to a large degree. If these were adults, with four people standing around while one gets punched in face, we'd call that a "gang beating", and if the person getting beat on manages to body-slam his way out of the situation - BRAVO. Self-defense. It's extreme, but some kids need to understand that when you engage in physical violence you are throwing away your rights. You CAN die. That's what happens, shit gets real, and that's why you don't start fights just to impress your friends.
The way he dropped the kid was very dangerous and could have seriously injured the little kid but given that Casey probably had no self defense training that cant really be helped. I think he was completely justified in what he did. If someone wants to fight you then they need to deal with the consequences. The little kid got hurt because he was stupid and started a fight with someone bigger than him.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear?
BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.
Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense?
No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again.
The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge.
Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely.
Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far.
I find it funny how you don't know that more people die from punches than from body slams... Both are there to hurt and both of them have the potential of killing. Punch someone on their chest, you could stop their heart. Punch someone in the neck, you could either kill the person or paralyze him. I fact, if you punch someone on their throat, you will most likely asphyxiate him. Punch someone on the neck, you could kill the person, cause bleeding inside their head, leave them blind, and many more things...
You know what, I am going to stop going at it with you. Your arguments are just too incoherent and you are making me angry.
Really? I find it funny that you make up statistics on the spot between puncehs and body slams.
To me, its common sense that if compared, 1 punch against 1 body slam in each in a fit of rage, and see which one does more damage between a bunch of 6-8th graders, that a body slam, with the kid nearly hitting his head on the concrete pavement, would do more damage, unless you wanna say fists=pavement?
If you attack someone unprovoked you deserve whatever you get. Regardless of how violent the response was the little kid had no one to blame but himself.
I wouldnt like to see the little kid get his neck broken or anything of that nature, but a good beating would have put manners on the little bastard.
That little kid deserved it, and hopefully it will knock some sense into him. That's the kind of kid who clearly wont learn a lesson just by being told "No, stop, that's wrong to do." He needed a shock into reality, and that's exactly what Casey gave him.
From what I can find, the bully got 22 days suspension and Casey got 4 days, which I can understand. I mean, whatever the reason, Casey did retaliate, and I guess policy is policy. But that's just school policy. In my book, Casey is totally baller for standing up for and defending himself.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
He didn't nearly kill him. Please calm down. At worst he would have knocked him out or given him a concussion. When you are bullied, you need to shock the crowd to make it stop. Mediocre responses don't work.
Rofl, not to be a jerk, but you're the one who needs to rewatch the video, he could've nearly killed him, the way he picked him up, and the way the kid landed, with different variables, easily could've resulted in the kid breaking his neck.
There are plenty of stories out there, one in particular a few months ago, this bride-to-be was having a pool party, for fun her friends push her in the pool without her knowledge. Bam she breaks her neck, in a wheelchair afterwards.
Those kinds of moves are dangerous, especially for kids.
Sure, maybe he should have just punched the kid a few times in the head and broke his nose. Then people would be whining about concussions and brain damage. He's untrained, and the school clearly gave him no other outs - i'd much rather him smash some kid into the ground than come in with a pistol in a couple years.
Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight.
Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person.
How many fights have you been in? Serious question, because when you fight you don't calmly sit down over the fire and figure out risk percentages. In fact the adrenaline is so high that you often have very vague memories of what exactly happened. Its really silly to argue about the body slam itself.
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