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On March 15 2011 04:51 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 04:50 exploding.godhand wrote:
serves the little shit.
@matjlav, yes, they do. Bullies can ruin your social life. They make your life miserable and should burn. kids act stupid and hurt someone during grade school, ergo they deserve to have their entire lives ruined forgive me if I don't follow the logic.
Can you provide some evidence that a cervical fracture leads to a person's entire life being ruined? Remember, we need some overwhelming statistical data (a 90% rate isn't enough in my opinion).
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Oh the sweet taste of a little fucker who thinks its funny to go on a guy with his friends as backup. Anyone who says the other guy whent too far should consider that he was outnumbered so he had to finish it quick. Plus he did not do anything even after he got punched so that says a lot about how he would have been treated if he fought and lost. So it was all pretty much exactly what you should do.
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As a person who had similar issues as this kid in secondary school (i.e. bullies), I'm sending this kid an e-brofist. I have resolved them a bit by just tackling one of the guys against the wall when he was trying to be hard, holding him up against the said wall and telling him to fuck off. This really scared him and his friends for some reason, they were avoiding me after that.
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On March 15 2011 05:20 cascades wrote:Copy and pasted from a comment on the facebook page Show nested quote +
"Mr Jones,
I've no doubt you've received far more messages on this topic than your work hours will actually permit you to read, but none the less, sometimes quantity makes a good supplement to quality.
No doubt you feel you did the right thing by suspending Casey. I'm sure you're not a bad person, and we all have to sleep ...at night some how. You probably feel that you sent a strong message that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving issues. Unfortunately, even if this were the case, it's not the message that suspending Casey actually sends.
Plain as day, Casey was the victim of violence, and even a cursory understanding of the principles and legislation surrounding escalation of force in unarmed self defence would lead to the realisation that his actions were legally sound and ethically correct - Casey showed no intent to render lasting injury at all and withdrew from the fight at the soonest time he was safely able to do so. The message you are sending is not that violence is unacceptable, it's that proportionate and timely use of violence is unacceptable. If Casey had have found Ritchard later and taken him to pieces behind the shed, he would have gotten away with it, and wouldn't have been bullied again. Instead he is likely to be ridiculed on return, and will not be able to defend himself if attacked again because everyone is now aware that he will be punished if he does. You have effectively emasculated this young man, and he is now completely reliant on your staff for protection they, frankly, can't give him.
Men under my command are frequently involved in altercations in public on their own time, but it still reflects poorly on my command and my organisation. Conversely however, each event has to be assessed on its own merits, and there is no... sense at all punishing people for reacting in ethical and legal ways, no matter how bad it makes you look. Granted, it may be difficult to explain to a chilld the difference between proportionate use of force and disproportionate use and escalation of force, but it is your job to ensure children are taught lessons in the best way possible, not the easiest. I decry your lack of moral courage and leadership on the matter. There is little doubt in my mind that you took the easy option instead of the right option.
This isn't official business and I'm sending it as a concerned citizen, not as XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, but make no mistake that it's the lessons I've learned on my way to where I am now that give moral authority and cogency to the things I learned growing up on the wrong side of the tracks as a foster kid.
Concerned,
Unfortunately in the American school system the situation hold any weight. If you get into a fight, even in self defense, you get penalized. It doesn't matter if there's a gang surrounding you and you're getting wailed on by multiple people, by fighting back you get suspended. It's absolutely ridiculous that there's no subjectivity, but that's the reality of it. Casey's suspension has nothing do with this Mr. Jones, it's the school system standards that make Casey suffer for defending his physical and mental well being.
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What the bully has to say about it:
no school for me cunts, fuck yeah
regret not winning that is... he kept on making a fuss that the vid was edited n he actually won against casey.
Maybe this will wake some deluded people up.
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On March 15 2011 05:21 Reptilia wrote:
from what i saw in the video, it seems Casey knew what he was doing. He probably practices some martial art. That was very brave from him and im glad bullies recieve a lesson.
Looked more like he had been watching wrestling tbh, powerslam. anyway just to note again im completely behind casey i also was suspended for defending myself in a similar yet less dramatic way and ive feel let down by my school ever since, i hope he is given compassion and that the school punishes the bullies instead
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On March 15 2011 05:17 FreddYCooL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:13 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 05:06 Excludos wrote:
What worries me more than anything is 1. He got suspended. 2. A lot of people are saying he should be suspended.
I dunno how other countries work, but here in Norway you'd have to kill someone to get suspended. Fights break out all the time, and you can't do anything about it. Kids are kids after all.
Also, there is this..I dunno, what is it called? Oh yeah, a LAW that says you have the right to defend yourself with similar means as the attacker. I can't tell for sure what country this is, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have this exact law. The bully in this video is clearly shown punching Casey.
Does schools circumvent their own national laws? No you're allowed to defend yourself, but you're not allowed to use excessive force. If this had been between adults he would have been convicted of using excessive force. He had the guy completly pinned down and trying to break his neck would never ever hold up as self defence. Are you sure that was his intent? And since you are from Sweden i could give you some info about Swedish law which clearly states that use of excessive force is permitted in selfdefense if you can show that you were in a situation in which you would not be expected to control yourself
He turns him upside down and slams him straight into the ground, if I thrust a knife infront of you moving forward that still intent of stabing regardless of how much I want to make it into "Oh I was simply waving my knife around". And I am under no circumstance saying that it's not understandable to react the way he did. Hell I did react in a much worse way when I stood up to my bully, when one of them were alone I beat the guy up untill I actually caused his spleen to fracture and he had to have an operation. If I hadn't contained myself I probably would have killed the guy, is that self defence?
Not once did I say that I couldn't identify with his frustrations, hatred and rage but it still doesn't make it ok. It still doesn't make it a ok thing to do, it's not a black and white situation, It's great that he stood up for his rights as a human being, it's great that he put a bully in his place but the way he did it isn't a ok way to solve your problems and you have to acknowledge that as a parent/school.
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On March 15 2011 05:28 cascades wrote:
What the bully has to say about it:
no school for me cunts, fuck yeah
regret not winning that is... he kept on making a fuss that the vid was edited n he actually won against casey.
Maye this will wake some deluded people up.
Does this kid's parents even give a shit? Wtf?
Where did you get that quote?
On March 15 2011 05:29 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:17 FreddYCooL wrote:On March 15 2011 05:13 Hynda wrote:On March 15 2011 05:06 Excludos wrote:
What worries me more than anything is 1. He got suspended. 2. A lot of people are saying he should be suspended.
I dunno how other countries work, but here in Norway you'd have to kill someone to get suspended. Fights break out all the time, and you can't do anything about it. Kids are kids after all.
Also, there is this..I dunno, what is it called? Oh yeah, a LAW that says you have the right to defend yourself with similar means as the attacker. I can't tell for sure what country this is, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have this exact law. The bully in this video is clearly shown punching Casey.
Does schools circumvent their own national laws? No you're allowed to defend yourself, but you're not allowed to use excessive force. If this had been between adults he would have been convicted of using excessive force. He had the guy completly pinned down and trying to break his neck would never ever hold up as self defence. Are you sure that was his intent? And since you are from Sweden i could give you some info about Swedish law which clearly states that use of excessive force is permitted in selfdefense if you can show that you were in a situation in which you would not be expected to control yourself He turns him upside down and slams him straight into the ground, if I thrust a knife infront of you moving forward that still intent of stabing regardless of how much I want to make it into "Oh I was simply waving my knife around".
He's a 5th grader. Perhaps with some wrestling training, but all the more likely he's watched WWE or something similar. So unless someone can point out that this kid has been taught how to do a headslam suplex and has also told this kid that doing such a move can be lethal, his intent is more than likely not to kill the kid.
I can give you a knife, but if you have no idea what a knife is and what it can do, when you cut someone, you certainly didn't intend on it.
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On March 15 2011 05:25 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:18 FabledIntegral wrote:On March 15 2011 05:03 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 04:58 andrewlt wrote:On March 15 2011 04:56 matjlav wrote:On March 15 2011 04:54 Kishuu wrote:
okay, we must have different definitions of harmless. Why do all bullies deserve their necks snapped again?
This is what I mean when I say people in TL started to talk like lawyers. And stupid ones at that. Seriously, when did he said all bullies deserve their necks to be snapped? On March 15 2011 03:50 sc4k wrote:
Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies. Yes, I'm twisting the truth so heavily Attributing the quote of the guy you responded to to everybody else who responded to you isn't twisting the truth so heavily? Sorry, if you jump into an argument whose crux was whether bullies deserve to have their necks broken in defense of the "pro" position without specifying that you don't agree with that person, I'm going to assume that you agree with them. Are you telling me if someone punched you in the face, and then kept smacking you around after that, for no reason other than pure enjoyment, you would be "in the wrong" for throwing that fucker to the ground, even if it might possibly break his neck? There's a difference between a kid calling someone "fatso" and a kid constantly harassing another one, then assaulting him, which was clearly the case seen in the video. I would think the kid would have deserved it if he broke both a leg and an arm. And you can't say he didn't have it coming to him if he became a parapalegic for life. This wasn't a "one-time" thing where he might have messed up, this was a reoccurring incident of constant bullying that culminated with him trying to get his friends to record the event for shits and giggles. That shit is enough to scar someone for life, and if someone was going to have to be troubled for life, I would much rather it be the skinny little shit than Casey. meh i've been through this. you're ridiculously bloodthirsty and i'm really glad we don't base our juvenille legal system off of your views. for the record, i don't blame Casey for a second for what he did. but I think that in no way does textbook schoolyard bullying justify lifelong impairment as a punishment.
In no ways is it bloodthirsty, but I guess we disagree on it not being justified. Oh well.
I hold the personally belief that even if unintentional, your own stupid acts can have lifelong consequences and you need to be held ready for your actions. Your argument seemed to stem from "it's kids being kids." It's not a valid argument in my opinion, and if you're going to go up and assault someone, I do think you need to be prepared to be potentially impaired for life as a consequence. It's a "risk" you're taking when you decide to torment someone in a way that could potentially impair the rest of their life.
I witnessed someone doing this to a kid at my school, I was in 10th grade and I was watching a 9th grader pick on another mentally impaired 9th grader. Grabbed the little shit by his shirt, picked him off the ground, and slammed him against the locker, and told him if I ever saw him do that again I'd make sure to personally beat the living shit out of him. When someone is tormenting another human being for the purpose of personal satisfaction and ego - yeah, I think that's something that regardless of it being called "kids being kids" has the potential for having lifelong consequences.
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How the hell did this little kid bully that big guy? that dude must have so much patience to put up with that for years. The little punk got what was coming to him
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On March 15 2011 05:28 dudeman001 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:20 cascades wrote:Copy and pasted from a comment on the facebook page
"Mr Jones,
I've no doubt you've received far more messages on this topic than your work hours will actually permit you to read, but none the less, sometimes quantity makes a good supplement to quality.
No doubt you feel you did the right thing by suspending Casey. I'm sure you're not a bad person, and we all have to sleep ...at night some how. You probably feel that you sent a strong message that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving issues. Unfortunately, even if this were the case, it's not the message that suspending Casey actually sends.
Plain as day, Casey was the victim of violence, and even a cursory understanding of the principles and legislation surrounding escalation of force in unarmed self defence would lead to the realisation that his actions were legally sound and ethically correct - Casey showed no intent to render lasting injury at all and withdrew from the fight at the soonest time he was safely able to do so. The message you are sending is not that violence is unacceptable, it's that proportionate and timely use of violence is unacceptable. If Casey had have found Ritchard later and taken him to pieces behind the shed, he would have gotten away with it, and wouldn't have been bullied again. Instead he is likely to be ridiculed on return, and will not be able to defend himself if attacked again because everyone is now aware that he will be punished if he does. You have effectively emasculated this young man, and he is now completely reliant on your staff for protection they, frankly, can't give him.
Men under my command are frequently involved in altercations in public on their own time, but it still reflects poorly on my command and my organisation. Conversely however, each event has to be assessed on its own merits, and there is no... sense at all punishing people for reacting in ethical and legal ways, no matter how bad it makes you look. Granted, it may be difficult to explain to a chilld the difference between proportionate use of force and disproportionate use and escalation of force, but it is your job to ensure children are taught lessons in the best way possible, not the easiest. I decry your lack of moral courage and leadership on the matter. There is little doubt in my mind that you took the easy option instead of the right option.
This isn't official business and I'm sending it as a concerned citizen, not as XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, but make no mistake that it's the lessons I've learned on my way to where I am now that give moral authority and cogency to the things I learned growing up on the wrong side of the tracks as a foster kid.
Concerned, Unfortunately in the American school system the situation hold any weight. If you get into a fight, even in self defense, you get penalized. It doesn't matter if there's a gang surrounding you and you're getting wailed on by multiple people, by fighting back you get suspended. It's absolutely ridiculous that there's no subjectivity, but that's the reality of it. Casey's suspension has nothing do with this Mr. Jones, it's the school system standards that make Casey suffer for defending his physical and mental well being.
I am aware of the fact. In fact, it's not just the American school system. It happens in other countries too. This should be the real takeaway point of the thread.
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People like Almin need to stop talking about what-ifs and start dealing with the what-actually-happened, which is a bully got off easy, and will do well to never fuck with anyone again. And if that bully still fucks with Casey after this, then maybe we don't need him in our gene pool at all.
Casey, next time go for the taller one too. :D
btw, those girls being innocent by-standers while Casey gets punched - shame on you.
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On March 15 2011 05:29 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:28 cascades wrote:
What the bully has to say about it:
no school for me cunts, fuck yeah
regret not winning that is... he kept on making a fuss that the vid was edited n he actually won against casey.
Maye this will wake some deluded people up.
Does this kid's parents even give a shit? Wtf? Where did you get that quote?
It's all over on facebook. Apparently thats what the bully said on his facebook account. While account is friend protected, if people made it up, it would be quickly disproven.
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I'll admit that body slam was probably the funniest thing I've seen in a while. But violence isn't the answer, revenge is.
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Bully got what he deserved.
With a system that does next to nothing to cull bullying, the bullie is left on his own, for years and years. Sinking further into despair till one day he is so out of life, so little worth as a human, finaly it all snaps and he walks into his school with a gun and try to shot down the bullies and the ones who stood in silence and did nothing out of fear or out of negleance.
Some might shrug bullying off, the majority will carry it with them through their entire life.
To ask a kid, or even an adult, not accustomed to adrenaline surging through you finaly telling you to fight, raising that deep dark survival instinct we all carry; to act no more then the law requires. When your mind snap, it snaps hard and all goes dark. Then you rise from the dark and if your raised decently the first thing you'll feel is shame that you lost control of your temper and hurt someone else, no matter how much they deserved it, when looking down upon the teethmarks across their face.
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The laughing girls and the guy filming are the true villains of this drama.
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On March 15 2011 05:34 tok wrote:
I'll admit that body slam was probably the funniest thing I've seen in a while. But violence isn't the answer, revenge is.
Like when Cartman got duped by purchasing pubic hair... He killed the kid's parents and cooked chili with the remains. Cartman proceeded to force the kid to eat his own parents. Pretty good revenge.
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On March 15 2011 05:34 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:29 JinDesu wrote:On March 15 2011 05:28 cascades wrote:
What the bully has to say about it:
no school for me cunts, fuck yeah
regret not winning that is... he kept on making a fuss that the vid was edited n he actually won against casey.
Maye this will wake some deluded people up.
Does this kid's parents even give a shit? Wtf? Where did you get that quote? It's all over on facebook. Apparently thats what the bully said on his facebook account. While account is friend protected, if people made it up, it would be quickly disproven.
I dunno, I'll look into it when I'm home and less restricted by firewalls. If that's true, I hope the parents and the school gets wind of it...
Kid that young and with that sort of attitude probably don't give a shit about a suspension =\
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He could have easily killed the kid, but thats not to say the kid didn't deserve what he got. I mean he forced him to snap, and you can't control yourself when that happens.
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Love how the taller lanky kid approaches Casey after his friend gets slammed. What does he plan on doing against someone who is finally willing to fight back, is 30 lbs heavier than himself (which is huge considering how small they are), and who nearly broke someone else in half right in front of his eyes?
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