Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please.
On March 15 2011 05:06 Hynda wrote: I don't understand how most people seem to think it's all black and white. What he did was completly unacceptable, you can not throw someone head first into the pavement, ever. I know what it's like to be bullied, and I know what it's like to be big. I'm 2 meters tall and I'm no Peter Crouch. I had 3, 3 year older kid torment me for well over 3 years, and I mean proper torment. Such as wrestle you to the ground take your cloths and burn them torment.
I'm happy that this guy stood up to a bully, but he did it in a very wrong way. Nobody deserves to live their lives with a broken neck. The fear I have for this is that getting this much recognition for doing this will make this a "Signature move" something he'll use everytime ´he gets in a fight. And one day someone will get really badly hurt or worse, and trust me if that happens regardless of how much of a bully the other guy is two lives will be ruined that day.
So actually in terms of punishment ratio I think the school got it right. The bully got the worst punishment becuase he did a really bad thing over a long period of time and the kid got a punishment for handling it in a unacceptable way.
As for not thinking that way when in a fight... If you are big you have to, every single time. I've been in plenty of fights in my life and I've held back in every single one of them because it's really easy to be hard on the internet say that killing someone is deserved, but in real life if you harm someone that will scar them for life it will haunt you, regardless of how much of an ass they've been to you.
Sorry to say but your reasoning and excuses have credited three years of torment while this kid who stood up for himself probably won't get bullied anymore.
I stood up for myself, and I'm happy he stood up for himself. I can understand his frustration and his need to have a outlet for them it still doesn't make it ok. Yea it took me 3 years to realise that I could stand up to my bullies that doesn't mean I don't think people shouldn't on day 1, it still doesn't make that move ok.
On March 15 2011 05:06 Excludos wrote: What worries me more than anything is 1. He got suspended. 2. A lot of people are saying he should be suspended.
I dunno how other countries work, but here in Norway you'd have to kill someone to get suspended. Fights break out all the time, and you can't do anything about it. Kids are kids after all.
Also, there is this..I dunno, what is it called? Oh yeah, a LAW that says you have the right to defend yourself with similar means as the attacker. I can't tell for sure what country this is, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have this exact law. The bully in this video is clearly shown punching Casey.
Does schools circumvent their own national laws?
No you're allowed to defend yourself, but you're not allowed to use excessive force. If this had been between adults he would have been convicted of using excessive force. He had the guy completly pinned down and trying to break his neck would never ever hold up as self defence.
Are you sure that was his intent? And since you are from Sweden i could give you some info about Swedish law which clearly states that use of excessive force is permitted in selfdefense if you can show that you were in a situation in which you would not be expected to control yourself
On March 15 2011 05:13 Kennigit wrote: If he wants real #tigerblood he should come back from his suspension, walk up to the short kid and body slam him again LOL.
LMAO so true. Bring his own camera crew. Here's another you tube link btw:
LOL little shit got less than what he deserved. That was fucking epic! Love this uneditted bid that shows the bully having trouble walking around afterwards.
On March 15 2011 05:06 Excludos wrote: What worries me more than anything is 1. He got suspended. 2. A lot of people are saying he should be suspended.
I dunno how other countries work, but here in Norway you'd have to kill someone to get suspended. Fights break out all the time, and you can't do anything about it. Kids are kids after all.
Also, there is this..I dunno, what is it called? Oh yeah, a LAW that says you have the right to defend yourself with similar means as the attacker. I can't tell for sure what country this is, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have this exact law. The bully in this video is clearly shown punching Casey.
Does schools circumvent their own national laws?
No you're allowed to defend yourself, but you're not allowed to use excessive force. If this had been between adults he would have been convicted of using excessive force. He had the guy completly pinned down and trying to break his neck would never ever hold up as self defence.
Wait WHAT? 1. He had him pinned down, was he supposed to carry him around all day? 2. He didn't try to break his neck, if he did, that kid wouldn't have a bloody neck left.
On March 15 2011 05:13 Kennigit wrote: If he wants real #tigerblood he should come back from his suspension, walk up to the short kid and body slam him again LOL.
Oh man you made me lol. That would be so fucking champ status right there. Be like UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BITCH!
okay, we must have different definitions of harmless. Why do all bullies deserve their necks snapped again?
This is what I mean when I say people in TL started to talk like lawyers. And stupid ones at that. Seriously, when did he said all bullies deserve their necks to be snapped?
On March 15 2011 03:50 sc4k wrote: Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies.
Yes, I'm twisting the truth so heavily
Attributing the quote of the guy you responded to to everybody else who responded to you isn't twisting the truth so heavily?
Sorry, if you jump into an argument whose crux was whether bullies deserve to have their necks broken in defense of the "pro" position without specifying that you don't agree with that person, I'm going to assume that you agree with them.
Are you telling me if someone punched you in the face, and then kept smacking you around after that, for no reason other than pure enjoyment, you would be "in the wrong" for throwing that fucker to the ground, even if it might possibly break his neck? There's a difference between a kid calling someone "fatso" and a kid constantly harassing another one, then assaulting him, which was clearly the case seen in the video.
I would think the kid would have deserved it if he broke both a leg and an arm. And you can't say he didn't have it coming to him if he became a parapalegic for life. This wasn't a "one-time" thing where he might have messed up, this was a reoccurring incident of constant bullying that culminated with him trying to get his friends to record the event for shits and giggles. That shit is enough to scar someone for life, and if someone was going to have to be troubled for life, I would much rather it be the skinny little shit than Casey.
I was tortured in grade school. I never snapped. I held it in. I continued to be tortured in high school. I never snapped. I held it in.
Wish I hadn't.
It makes me angry even now.
I'd fucking kill those kids if I could go back in time and do it.
Kill them and shit on their faces.
What this kid did is justified. Fuck bullies. If you've been tortured in this way, you'd understand.
Hopefully I don't get in trouble for this post. Just things like this really bring me back. Good for this kid. I hope the bully suffers, should have dropped him harder.
What is wrong with kids these days.. i never thought bullying was happening where kids were just throwing blows... especially 12 year olds like this little bastard in the video. I woulda slammed him too...
Copy and pasted from a comment on the facebook page
"Mr Jones,
I've no doubt you've received far more messages on this topic than your work hours will actually permit you to read, but none the less, sometimes quantity makes a good supplement to quality.
No doubt you feel you did the right thing by suspending Casey. I'm sure you're not a bad person, and we all have to sleep ...at night some how. You probably feel that you sent a strong message that violence is not an acceptable means of resolving issues. Unfortunately, even if this were the case, it's not the message that suspending Casey actually sends.
Plain as day, Casey was the victim of violence, and even a cursory understanding of the principles and legislation surrounding escalation of force in unarmed self defence would lead to the realisation that his actions were legally sound and ethically correct - Casey showed no intent to render lasting injury at all and withdrew from the fight at the soonest time he was safely able to do so. The message you are sending is not that violence is unacceptable, it's that proportionate and timely use of violence is unacceptable. If Casey had have found Ritchard later and taken him to pieces behind the shed, he would have gotten away with it, and wouldn't have been bullied again. Instead he is likely to be ridiculed on return, and will not be able to defend himself if attacked again because everyone is now aware that he will be punished if he does. You have effectively emasculated this young man, and he is now completely reliant on your staff for protection they, frankly, can't give him.
Men under my command are frequently involved in altercations in public on their own time, but it still reflects poorly on my command and my organisation. Conversely however, each event has to be assessed on its own merits, and there is no... sense at all punishing people for reacting in ethical and legal ways, no matter how bad it makes you look. Granted, it may be difficult to explain to a chilld the difference between proportionate use of force and disproportionate use and escalation of force, but it is your job to ensure children are taught lessons in the best way possible, not the easiest. I decry your lack of moral courage and leadership on the matter. There is little doubt in my mind that you took the easy option instead of the right option.
This isn't official business and I'm sending it as a concerned citizen, not as XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, but make no mistake that it's the lessons I've learned on my way to where I am now that give moral authority and cogency to the things I learned growing up on the wrong side of the tracks as a foster kid.
On March 15 2011 05:04 Rakanishu2 wrote: That type of violence is terrible. Kids need to be unafraid to tell an adult when they're being bullied, and I think we can thank macho macho american media like movies and TV shows for burning that into their minds. It's ok to tell an adult!
don't take me the wrong way bro, i feel what you're saying, but i gotta say i love the naivity in your statement, it's actually pretty beautiful to behold
unfortunately, in real life telling an adult either makes things a lot worse or does nothing to actually help your social circumstances (which is the problematic point of bullying, not the broken nose) 99% of the time
wow i can't believe that youtube censored that video. good thing it's already uploaded a million other places.
and i had an encounter quite similar to this one. i was always bullied for being small. but one time the bully tried to start a fight, and i just went into rage mode. something came over me, i just ducked his punch and kneed him in the balls as hard as i could. the school almost suspended me, but they had video evidence that he threw the first punch and they knew my parents wouldn't hesitate to take it as far as it could possibly go, so i was let off with a week detention and i was told to write a very sincere apology letter to him (but i didn't)
fuck schools, man. this kid rocks. he doesn't deserve his suspension, and the school suspending him is an insult.
from what i saw in the video, it seems Casey knew what he was doing. He probably practices some martial art. That was very brave from him and im glad bullies recieve a lesson.
On March 15 2011 05:04 Rakanishu2 wrote: That type of violence is terrible. Kids need to be unafraid to tell an adult when they're being bullied, and I think we can thank macho macho american media like movies and TV shows for burning that into their minds. It's ok to tell an adult!
dude did you get through middle and high school without ever getting into it with someone by some act of god??? it doesnt have anything to do with movies or media
On March 15 2011 05:13 Kennigit wrote: If he wants real #tigerblood he should come back from his suspension, walk up to the short kid and body slam him again LOL.
LMAO so true. Bring his own camera crew. Here's another you tube link btw:
I don't see how people can expect a 5th grader to know that slamming someone onto a hard floor is more dangerous than punching them.
See that little dipshit punching him? Taunting? See the 2-3 other people around taunting as well? Casey did a damn good job defending himself.
"Punch him into the ground"
lol... you're asking a 5th grader (and look at how the bully punches, you think either of them knows jack shit about punching?) to defend as though he knows martial arts? Unskilled fighters (read: bar fights) generally end up with one person grabbing the other by the midsection and throwing to the ground, if not both of them tripping to the ground. It's like the number one instinct in unskilled fighting. Not punching, not kicking - grab and throw. Then go to ground and wail away because it's instinct.
So the fact that the kid did NOT pound the kid into the ground after the throw is a testament to the fact that he knows restraint (along with the fact that it took like 5 punches and a bunch of insults to trigger him).
kid got what he deserved. i am not surprised casey got suspended tho, as fighting = suspended
however it was 100% worth it. as for the violent part, i mean after being attacked like that for what i've heard to be a while, anything besides death/permanent injury is allowed.
okay, we must have different definitions of harmless. Why do all bullies deserve their necks snapped again?
This is what I mean when I say people in TL started to talk like lawyers. And stupid ones at that. Seriously, when did he said all bullies deserve their necks to be snapped?
On March 15 2011 03:50 sc4k wrote: Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies.
Yes, I'm twisting the truth so heavily
Attributing the quote of the guy you responded to to everybody else who responded to you isn't twisting the truth so heavily?
Sorry, if you jump into an argument whose crux was whether bullies deserve to have their necks broken in defense of the "pro" position without specifying that you don't agree with that person, I'm going to assume that you agree with them.
Are you telling me if someone punched you in the face, and then kept smacking you around after that, for no reason other than pure enjoyment, you would be "in the wrong" for throwing that fucker to the ground, even if it might possibly break his neck? There's a difference between a kid calling someone "fatso" and a kid constantly harassing another one, then assaulting him, which was clearly the case seen in the video.
I would think the kid would have deserved it if he broke both a leg and an arm. And you can't say he didn't have it coming to him if he became a parapalegic for life. This wasn't a "one-time" thing where he might have messed up, this was a reoccurring incident of constant bullying that culminated with him trying to get his friends to record the event for shits and giggles. That shit is enough to scar someone for life, and if someone was going to have to be troubled for life, I would much rather it be the skinny little shit than Casey.
meh i've been through this. you're ridiculously bloodthirsty and i'm really glad we don't base our juvenille legal system off of your views.
for the record, i don't blame Casey for a second for what he did. but I think that in no way does textbook schoolyard bullying justify lifelong impairment as a punishment.
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