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The case of the bullied kid Casey - Page 19
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Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
Kudos Casey, stay strong. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
http://www.dunheved-h.schools.nsw.edu.au/sws/view/schoolfeedback.node | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:29 JinDesu wrote: Does it matter then? Say he doesn't know it's lethal, say that he had no intention at all to hurt him. That just makes it a even more important thing to teach him not to use. How do you think he would feel if he had killed the guy with a move that he had seen on TV, if he had no intentions what so ever to hurt the guy but simply to put him in his place? I can see your point, but for me the outcome will still be the same if you have to teach the kid that using that kind of move to solve your problems is not a ok way to go about it. Does this kid's parents even give a shit? Wtf? Where did you get that quote? He's a 5th grader. Perhaps with some wrestling training, but all the more likely he's watched WWE or something similar. So unless someone can point out that this kid has been taught how to do a headslam suplex and has also told this kid that doing such a move can be lethal, his intent is more than likely not to kill the kid. I can give you a knife, but if you have no idea what a knife is and what it can do, when you cut someone, you certainly didn't intend on it. | ||
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cromat
Afghanistan100 Posts
i don't know how you guys can white knight the bully, since he's been bullying the kid for a few years. | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
Normally I'm a pussy when it comes to violence, but some good ol' shoolyard justice was just needed in this case. Go Casey, bring the fucking pain. I was sad he didn't stomp his head in, just for show. Had a friend in grade school. Bullied for 2 years, considered bringing a knife to school. I told him he was crazy. He said I couldn't fathom what this was like. No friends. Just constant harassment day out, day in. Even went after his littlesister. I talked to teachers, principals, my parents and shit happened. Kid was skinny and not very tall, but a knife helps things along. Eventually he just switched schools. Met him downtown 6 years later. Kid has become mad baller, pulling chicks and cash like fucking Rekrul. I guess he turned out ok, but on reflection those bullies should've just gotten their asses whooped. Personally I was never bullied despite being fucking ugly and skinny as all hell. Guess I was just lucky. Also 4chan should dig up some info on this case. Who was suspended? Nature of the injuries? LOIC'ing the school? We need juicy details. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:40 Hynda wrote: Does it matter then? Say he doesn't know it's lethal, say that he had no intention at all to hurt him. That just makes it a even more important thing to teach him not to use. How do you think he would feel if he had killed the guy with a move that he had seen on TV, if he had no intentions what so ever to hurt the guy but simply to put him in his place? I can see your point, but for me the outcome will still be the same if you have to teach the kid that using that kind of move to solve your problems is not a ok way to go about it. That's fine. Teach him now that we've seen him do it. But don't say it was intended when intent is the key bit to the law. Tons of people don't know jack shit about self defense, and when pressed, are unable to distinguish between techniques that CAN kill, and techniques that can't. That's what martial arts are for; to help teach people how to defend themselves, and to defend in ways that do not kill (or at least most of the arts, anyways). | ||
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Defeat
United States476 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:42 cromat wrote: you're right. casey should have thought about his actions while getting punched some more, then punch him in precise spots so that the bully isn't hurt, then get wailed on by 2 other guys at the same time and probably get wrecked and suspended again, then bullied for the rest of his school year after his suspension. i don't know how you guys can white knight the bully, since he's been bullying the kid for a few years. Which is ofcourse nothing like what I said. I have no respect or any kind of pity for the bully at all. I can understand the reaction, it still doesn't make it right. If your wife hits you, you wouldn't kill her and go "Oh well, completly justified because she was a bitch". I don't blame him in the slightest for his reaction, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable for it. What you do doesn't get negated just because you do it to an asshole. If this guy had snapped and brought a gun to school and shot the bully in the head do you really think people would go "LOLS BOOM HEADSHOT"? | ||
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drag_
England425 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:40 Hynda wrote: Does it matter then? Say he doesn't know it's lethal, say that he had no intention at all to hurt him. That just makes it a even more important thing to teach him not to use. How do you think he would feel if he had killed the guy with a move that he had seen on TV, if he had no intentions what so ever to hurt the guy but simply to put him in his place? I can see your point, but for me the outcome will still be the same if you have to teach the kid that using that kind of move to solve your problems is not a ok way to go about it. I imagine that had the boy been seriously hurt the logical defense would be temporary insanity as opposed to any sort of self defense argument. I sympathize with this Casey kid, and I can't honestly say that in the same situation I would've resisted the urge to fight this bully, but it's also important to learn that you can't just go and potentially seriously hurt a person even if they are a bully. Clearly however the school is most at fault for failing to do anything to prevent this situation in the first place. From what I've read it seems like this has been going on for a long time. The school should be ashamed of itself. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:46 JinDesu wrote: Yarp, as said, I see your point. It's completly valid. That's fine. Teach him now that we've seen him do it. But don't say it was intended when intent is the key bit to the law. Tons of people don't know jack shit about self defense, and when pressed, are unable to distinguish between techniques that CAN kill, and techniques that can't. That's what martial arts are for; to help teach people how to defend themselves, and to defend in ways that do not kill (or at least most of the arts, anyways). | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:49 Hynda wrote: Which is ofcourse nothing like what I said. I have no respect or any kind of pity for the bully at all. I can understand the reaction, it still doesn't make it right. If your wife hits you, you wouldn't kill her and go "Oh well, completly justified because she was a bitch". I don't blame him in the slightest for his reaction, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable for it. What you do doesn't get negated just because you do it to an asshole. If this guy had snapped and brought a gun to school and shot the bully in the head do you really think people would go "LOLS BOOM HEADSHOT"? On the contrary, if the husband had been smacking the wife, and hit her in the face, and there was a long, drawn out history of abuse, and she didn't attempt to kill the husband but instead threw him to the ground when he was off balance and he ended up smashing his head against the counter... was the woman in the wrong? I think not. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:37 Imbajoe wrote: Love how the taller lanky kid approaches Casey after his friend gets slammed. What does he plan on doing against someone who is finally willing to fight back, is 30 lbs heavier than himself (which is huge considering how small they are), and who nearly broke someone else in half right in front of his eyes? He wanna die bro. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:50 drag_ wrote: Schools are horrible at dealing with bullies in pretty much every country on earth. The only time they get involved is when the bullied stands up for themselves because that breaks the norm. I imagine that had the boy been seriously hurt the logical defense would be temporary insanity as opposed to any sort of self defense argument. I sympathize with this Casey kid, and I can't honestly say that in the same situation I would've resisted the urge to fight this bully, but it's also important to learn that you can't just go and potentially seriously hurt a person even if they are a bully. Clearly however the school is most at fault for failing to do anything to prevent this situation in the first place. From what I've read it seems like this has been going on for a long time. The school should be ashamed of itself. | ||
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
bullied children come home crying, don't have friends, get terrible grades, and if the bullying is REALLY bad, then they drop out of school. In the extreme cases, of course they deserve to suffer through physical pain, as penance for fucking up some kids life. I guess I was wrong about every bully though, after giving it more thought. What REALLY pisses me off is when the schoolboard starts chewing you out and saying "oh, well you should have talked to an adult" No, dumbass imaginary teacher, In social circles you pull your own weight, and crying to the teacher just gives said bully another weapon. "Ugh, you're such a fat ass crybaby." You can't deal with physical bullies without showing them that you can beat the living shit out of them, and therefore demonstrating that you could kick the bullies ass. I became a greenbelt in karate for this reason. If the school asshole walks up to me and starts picking on me, he'll be on the floor crying in seconds. The OTHER thing that gets my blood boiling is when the bullies parents pull a Dursley and start playing sweet baby. "Oh, he wouldn't hurt a fly! I can't believe it! he's so upset! I demand that the school pay for his hospital bills!" Alright semi realistic but still imaginary mother, how about you join reality and realize that your kid is the school dick-face? God... | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:51 FabledIntegral wrote: Which ofcourse would be manslaughter, but still that wasn't what happened. The diffrence is that pushing someone that accidently hits their head and aiming for it. If he had just picked the kid up and thrown him at the floor and he hit his head, then sure your comparison would work. But he didn't. On the contrary, if the husband had been smacking the wife, and hit her in the face, and there was a long, drawn out history of abuse, and she didn't attempt to kill the husband but instead threw him to the ground when he was off balance and he ended up smashing his head against the counter... was the woman in the wrong? I think not. | ||
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:55 Hynda wrote: Which ofcourse would be manslaughter, but still that wasn't what happened. The diffrence is that pushing someone that accidently hits their head and aiming for it. If he had just picked the kid up and thrown him at the floor and he hit his head, then sure your comparison would work. But he didn't. Or did he...? | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:54 HolyArrow wrote: Honestly, I feel like that bitch got what he deserved. Obviously, I don't think he deserved death or a broken neck, but that's not what happened. Anyway, I can see why the school is suspending Casey, but my real beef is with the general zero-tolerance policy. It's total bullshit, and I've seen far more unfair cases where the bully and victim both get the same punishment even if the victim was simply practicing self-defense. You literally have a pretty good chance of being punished even if the bully is chasing you and you merely run, and report that he tried to beat you up. No joke. Seems like school want bully victims to just stand there and get their asses kicked until they look so hurt and pathetic that it's obvious they shouldn't be suspended. Any form of resistance, and you'll get suspended too. It's the number one thing that makes me completely use my respect for my public school system. Anything that breaks the norm is considered dangerous, having bullies is a part of the norm so they basicly let it happen. I've seen teachers just walk past when someone was obviously being bullied with the whole "kids will be kids" schtick steaming out of their ears while looking in another direction. I completly agree that there wasn't really anything the bullied can do from a school point of view because well they want bullying to happen it seems. | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
Props to big boy | ||
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TallMax
United States131 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:18 Centorian wrote: I was tortured in grade school. I never snapped. I held it in. I continued to be tortured in high school. I never snapped. I held it in. Wish I hadn't. It makes me angry even now. I'd fucking kill those kids if I could go back in time and do it. Kill them and shit on their faces. What this kid did is justified. Fuck bullies. If you've been tortured in this way, you'd understand. Hopefully I don't get in trouble for this post. Just things like this really bring me back. Good for this kid. I hope the bully suffers, should have dropped him harder. -Cent Have to say I'm somewhat in the same camp as you. Dealt with the same shit, never really stood up for myself. One time was sweet, and I think you'd appreciate this story. I was the only freshman in a drafting class in high-school, and I used to have long hair. A couple of idiot sophomores felt like throwing tape in my hair from the desks behind me when the teacher wasn't looking. But, one of the seniors on the football/wrestling/baseball (not one of them, he played all of those) saw them doing it. Calmly walked over to them and started talking to them. Told the one who was actually throwing shit to apologize. He didn't. Teacher not looking. Bam! Fucking windup punch right to the arm. "Say you're sorry" Nothin. Bam! "Say you're sorry." ..."Sorry" That guy was my fuckin hero. Though, I was still too shy to really thank him for it. But, I figured you might appreciate that story. On this story, I feel that if you want to look at it objectively, you can't really fault the bigger kid for reacting to stupid shit like this. There's really no guidelines, and you can't talk proportionate when technically the little guy is basically reacting to the big one doing nothing by punching him in the face. But, you also have to remember that the other kid, is just a little kid too. I know it's tough, and I'm not siding with the little kid that got dropped, but I do feel really bad for him. He got fucked up hard. It's pretty pathetic that either of these kids gets suspended and that the teachers/principal doesn't. Seriously, suspension really shouldn't be where this ends. That would be the real tragedy, if neither of them got anything out of it, and if the other kids looked more at it like a: They did something the adults didn't like, it had to do with fighting. If you want to send a clear message, send it to the kids involved. | ||
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