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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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It is altogether possible that the 10km zone they are talking about is the mandated evacuation zone, as the govt here has just mandated by law that people still living within a certain distance must leave. That said I haven't seen anything about a 10km zone being the evacuation area, it's constantly been 20km, with a 10km zone on top of that - that was recently changed from a 'stay inside' zone to an evacuation zone, maybe this is the 10km to 8km change they were talking about? They need to be a bit clearer through this whole thing, as if things weren't stressful enough....
@dump - yep there's been discrimination already against people and children from Fukushima. A lot of people are scared that people from here will somehow 'infect' their kids and homes with radiation, because these evacuees haven't suffered enough recently. Sheer and utter stupidity, sadly, caused by people being fucking morons. No one country has a monopoly on stupidity. The govt has already issued statements denouncing it and telling people to get informed but if they're stupid enough to have that little idea of radiation already... I wouldn't worry about people not having homes - Japan is capitalistic. It's also a group mentality society, so everyone who is without right now will be taken care of. That is the Japanese way, and they would be offended if people said they would do anything but Plenty of food is available for people in the shelters but there are still some areas which were smashed by the tsunami that it's hard to reach, which might explain the differences. Supplies are unevenly spread simply because some areas are still nigh impossible to reach.
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It seems a bit annoying that the blog of the IAEA constantly says "wwater is being pumped into the RPV at unit X, Y, Z" and yet the status for the RPV never rises above a "red level" of "Around half of fuel is uncovered".
The "white smoke" - which was seen coming out of the building - probably is water which leaks out of there as steam since the RPVs of three reactors are still above boiling temperature.
RPV - reactor pressure vessel
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Cars imported from Korea arrive in Chile with radiation.Ship docked at two Japanese ports.
Chile finds radioactive traces in Korean cars
(AFP) – 15 hours ago
SANTIAGO — Chilean officials found traces of radioactivity in tests on around 20 used cars on a ship from South Korea that had been in the vicinity of Japan's damaged Fukushima atomic plant, a report said Monday.
The report in the daily El Mercurio quoted Iquique customs director Raul Barria as saying the radioactivity did not appear to pose a danger.
He said the vehicles were showing a level of one to five on a radioactive index, below the level of nine needed for an alert.
The ship sailed from South Korea and then docked at the Japanese ports of Osaka and Yokohama, located 500 kilometers (300 miles) from the reactor in Fukushima, which saw several explosions after the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan on March 11.
Nonetheless, workers at the Chilean port some 1,800 kilometers (1,100 miles) north of Santiago were concerned and asked for testing, said Moises Chavez, a spokesman for the stevedores.
The 83 workers who had contact with the vehicles "were tested by customs at their request," Barria said, adding that none of them showed any ill effects.
The cars were part of a shipment of 2,500 vehicles arriving in Chile. Officials said the cars were all to be cleaned by the shipping company before sale in the South American nation.
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Is there any update on this? I knows its being overshadowed by dead Bin Laden etc but is the reactor meltdown stable?
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Workers at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant have entered one of its reactor buildings for the first time since it was hit by a powerful earthquake on 11 March, officials say.
They have installed a ventilation system in the No 1 reactor to filter out radioactive material from the air.[...]
New systems The Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) said a total of 12 engineers worked inside the reactor building in small teams in shifts of 10 minutes for about an hour.
The ventilator system and filters are reported to be running.
The company faces similar problems at three other reactors at the six-reactor plant.
Tepco is also dealing with highly radioactive waste-water leaking from the No 2 reactor which it is moving to secure storage on site.
Tepco has said it expects to bring the crisis under control and achieve a cold shutdown of the plant by the end of the year, but some doubt whether this target can be achieved.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13289877
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At the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant, a robot sent into the building housing Reactor No. 1 on Saturday detected the highest levels of radiation measured since the crisis began on March 11.
According to the Japan Times, The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) reported that radiation levels in the air around Reactor 1 were at 4000 millisieverts per hour, an exposure level equivalent to approximately 40,000 chest x-rays. TEPCO says it has no plans to send workers into the area because of its dangerously high radioactivity.
On Friday, a spokesman for TEPCO announced that steam was rising from underneath the reactor building. That afternoon, Japanese national television carried blurry footage of smoke rising from an opening in the floor.
Underneath the reactor, an estimated 40,000 tons of "highly contaminated" radioactive water have collected in what is known as the pressure suppression containment vessel, and it's this water that is believed to be producing the steam. TEPCO officials warn that the water will begin to overflow from the storage vessel by June 20 as it reaches its maximum capacity, sooner if there are heavy rains.
Massive tanks are being sent to contain the water from nearby Tochigi Prefecture. An estimated 370 will be needed for the job, two of which are due to arrive this weekend. The tanks each hold 100 tons of water and will continue to arrive at the plant through August.
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Today I saw a report of a slightly disturbing nature on TV and looked it up a little more. It seems there is a "minority" in Japan called buraku(min) and these "outcasts" used to do all the work concerning life and death in previous times, but nowadays they seem to be employed by the nuclear power plant companies as cheap labour. As outcasts they usually arent educated well I would imagine and dont know about the dangers they are facing inside a nuclear power plant and while cleaning up the damages at Fukushima. Obviously the use of such "day labour" is hard to prove, because the records are usually not so well kept and usually hidden by sub-contractors of sub-contractors ... it seems they are used for the dirtiest and most dangerous jobs available there (cleaning up).
definition / explanation: Burakumin
Burakumin in nuclear power plants Burakumin in nuclear power plants Les "intouchables" de Fukushima
Personally I find it highly disturbing for an industrialized nation to keep such a "caste system" and even more disturbing that people who dont know the dangers are (ab)used in nuclear power plants. This might explain why there are always remarks about not all workers at Fukushims still not having dosimeters ... which should have been easily rectified by sending over a few spares from the US or Europe with the next plane.
Do any of the Japanese residents here have anything to add on the subject?
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Record levels of radiation have been recorded at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi plant reactor, just months after the nuclear accident resulting from the earthquake and tsunami in March.
The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) reported that Geiger counters [a hand-held device used to measure radiation] registered their highest possible reading at the site on Monday.
TEPCO said that radiation exceeding 10 sieverts (10,000 millisieverts) per hour was found at the bottom of a ventilation stack standing between two reactors.
Al Jazeera's Aela Callan, reporting from Japan's Ibaraki prefecture, said the level recorded is "fatal to humans" but that it is contained just to the plant's site. However, scientists are planning to carry out more tests on Tuesday.
"Authorities are working on the theory though that it has come from those initial hydrogen explosions that we've saw at the plant in the days after the earthquake and tsunami," she said.
"It is now looking more likely that this area has been this radioactive since the earthquake and tsunami but noone realised until now."
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Wait.
The combination of
The company used equipment to measure radiation from a distance and was unable to ascertain the exact level because the device's maximum reading is 10 sieverts.
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"It is now looking more likely that this area has been this radioactive since the earthquake and tsunami but noone realised until now."
Is pretty damn insane. Anyone else got more information, maybe someone from Japan directly? This kinda fell under the rader way too quickly.
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10 Sv/h is a tremendous level of radiation. Even ten minutes on the ground would induce serious radiation poisoning, if that's accurate.
EDIT: actually, in quite a lot less time than that...
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TOKYO — Broad areas around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant could soon be declared uninhabitable, perhaps for decades, after a government survey found radioactive contamination that far exceeded safe levels, several major media outlets said Monday.
The government was apparently forced to alter its plans after the survey by the Ministry of Science and Education, released over the weekend, which showed even higher than expected radiation levels within the 12-mile evacuation zone around the plant. The most heavily contaminated spot was in the town of Okuma about two miles southwest of the plant, where someone living for a year would be exposed to 508.1 millisieverts of radiation — far above the level of 20 millesieverts per year that the government considers safe.
The survey found radiation above the safe level at three dozen spots up to 12 miles from the plant. That has called into question how many residents will actually be able to return to their homes even after the plant is stabilized.
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On August 23 2011 12:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +TOKYO — Broad areas around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant could soon be declared uninhabitable, perhaps for decades, after a government survey found radioactive contamination that far exceeded safe levels, several major media outlets said Monday. Show nested quote +The government was apparently forced to alter its plans after the survey by the Ministry of Science and Education, released over the weekend, which showed even higher than expected radiation levels within the 12-mile evacuation zone around the plant. The most heavily contaminated spot was in the town of Okuma about two miles southwest of the plant, where someone living for a year would be exposed to 508.1 millisieverts of radiation — far above the level of 20 millesieverts per year that the government considers safe.
The survey found radiation above the safe level at three dozen spots up to 12 miles from the plant. That has called into question how many residents will actually be able to return to their homes even after the plant is stabilized. Source
I wonder if this is comparable to Chernobyl or if they're just overreacting.
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Some might look at that and not take in a lot from it, but to move that much stuff and merely organize it is a lot of man hours and progress in general.
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Chernobyl was about 300 Sv per hour right after the core meltdown, although this radiation is a lot lower level bear in mind that about 4 Sv is fatal in almost all cases.
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Wow thanks for the link, it is great to see that things are on the right track to getting back to normal in the areas that were hit the hardest.
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Still a lot of work to be done, but at least the reaction was quite fast. The other huge concern is the radiation.
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I was wondering about this the other day after I watched the battle of chernobyl (great docu btw) and I forgot to look it up. I'm surprised there hasn't been more about the power plant since the initial happenings. If there is a large radiation leak, then that could potentially effect the entire pacific ocean right? I live in CA and I worry about all the seafood and beaches being poisoned. Is that even possible?
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