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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
March 15 2011 14:59 GMT
#2861
German news agency Spiegel Online has posted comparative satellite pictures before and after the tsunami hit LINK. Having the direct comparion makes the amount of damage seem so much worse. The most disturbing was probably "Kashima" which basically got a new lake. :|
"Sir, the enemy has us sourrounded" - "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
KangaRuthless
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States304 Posts
March 15 2011 15:01 GMT
#2862
On March 15 2011 23:58 TimeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 23:53 KangaRuthless wrote:
My brother used to live in Ishinomaki while teaching English with the JET Program. We heard reports that a train he used to take everyday went missing. We haven't heard back from his friends who live in Ishinomaki. We also fear that his old neighborhood was destroyed.


That's sad.

Have you tried using the Google Person Finder at http://japan.person-finder.appspot.com/?lang=en already?


That's a great idea! I'll link it to him. Thanks!
www.youtube.com/KangaRuthless
Rising_Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States370 Posts
March 15 2011 15:18 GMT
#2863
Apparently radiation is skyrocketing =[

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

User was temp banned for this post.
Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man stupid and blind in the eyes
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 15 2011 15:20 GMT
#2864
On March 15 2011 23:53 joi93 wrote:
So, can anyone get me up to date here:

How screwed is Japan right now? How much economical damage has been done? (and compared to something else)
Will there be any radiaton leak or not? What will happen if?

Sir, read the thread. Or at least the last 20 pages.
Terran
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
March 15 2011 15:21 GMT
#2865
On March 16 2011 00:18 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
Apparently radiation is skyrocketing =[

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake


Please stick to facts. Skyrocketing where ? which numbers ? Try to keep quality posts in that topic instead of playing the same game as journalists do right now.
nospeech
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
March 15 2011 15:23 GMT
#2866
On March 15 2011 23:35 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 20:46 kinray wrote:
I am not sure if this link have been posted before: http://mitnse.com/
Quite easy to understand explanation about what happened in the nuclear plant and what damage can be done by it. As far as i understand the whole thing is maintained by people that understand what are they talking about.

I think there is some important information regarding this fast spreading site (has been linked to me two times already this morning) that's worthwile sharing with all people interested in the ongoing events at the nuclear plants.
Take all the information given by "mitnse" with a grain of salt, it's possible that it's nothing but an eloquent astroturfing project by proponents of nuclear power.

Source: http://geniusnow.com/2011/03/15/the-strange-case-of-josef-oehmen/


Personally I'd take the word of the MIT Nuclear Science and Engineering department over an article that has been posted on a site that has now been taken down, and which appears on google with the description "genius now - unique sentient paradigm strategy pay game futuring resilience model building gift future sex".
If you could find a repost of the article anywhere so that we can see what these claims were that'd be very interesting.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
March 15 2011 15:28 GMT
#2867
This is going to sound selfish and possibly a bit off topic, but is there a possibility the radiation will affect South Korea? Since some people here look knowledgeable on the subject.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
March 15 2011 15:32 GMT
#2868
Ladies and Gentlemen in Japan, please be safe. Mani, please stick around to give me more bans (a thousand bans for everyone's safety), I love the whole lot of you folks. My prayers go out to each and every one of you.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
March 15 2011 15:36 GMT
#2869
On March 16 2011 00:18 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
Apparently radiation is skyrocketing =[

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake
Apparently it does not.
patyrykin.net
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 15:42:06
March 15 2011 15:41 GMT
#2870
On March 16 2011 00:28 MilesTeg wrote:
This is going to sound selfish and possibly a bit off topic, but is there a possibility the radiation will affect South Korea? Since some people here look knowledgeable on the subject.
According to current weather condition the probability is very low
[image loading]
Low areas (cyclones) would "attract" the possible cloud as a vacuum cleaner. See L's are moving to the east.
Moreoever there is a High area (anti-cyclone) near Baykal lake (almost stationary) which affects like pushing the wind out from center (making primary winds blow away from Russia/China/Koreas).

But I'm no underwriter on these, coz that's the weather. In general radiation can affect.
patyrykin.net
KangaRuthless
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States304 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 15:44:36
March 15 2011 15:41 GMT
#2871
On March 16 2011 00:18 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
Apparently radiation is skyrocketing =[

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake


I heard they're scrambling for potassium iodide tablets to protect the thyroid from Iodine-131 poisoning. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20110315/japan-radiation-iodine-pills-110315/

This won't do much to stop the short-term effects of radiation poisoning from Strontium-90 or Cesium-37, which are stronger and more-deadly isotopes.

Edit: saw this was a false report, but there still seems to be fears of radiation poisoning
www.youtube.com/KangaRuthless
Desti
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
March 15 2011 15:41 GMT
#2872
On March 16 2011 00:28 MilesTeg wrote:
This is going to sound selfish and possibly a bit off topic, but is there a possibility the radiation will affect South Korea? Since some people here look knowledgeable on the subject.



At least for the next two or three days wind blows away from korea and china.
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
March 15 2011 15:44 GMT
#2873
On March 16 2011 00:41 Desti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 00:28 MilesTeg wrote:
This is going to sound selfish and possibly a bit off topic, but is there a possibility the radiation will affect South Korea? Since some people here look knowledgeable on the subject.



At least for the next two or three days wind blows away from korea and china.


And the earth rotates in that direction in general.
KiaL.Kiwi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 15:50:10
March 15 2011 15:49 GMT
#2874
On March 16 2011 00:23 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 23:35 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:
On March 15 2011 20:46 kinray wrote:
I am not sure if this link have been posted before: http://mitnse.com/
Quite easy to understand explanation about what happened in the nuclear plant and what damage can be done by it. As far as i understand the whole thing is maintained by people that understand what are they talking about.

I think there is some important information regarding this fast spreading site (has been linked to me two times already this morning) that's worthwile sharing with all people interested in the ongoing events at the nuclear plants.
Take all the information given by "mitnse" with a grain of salt, it's possible that it's nothing but an eloquent astroturfing project by proponents of nuclear power.

Source: http://geniusnow.com/2011/03/15/the-strange-case-of-josef-oehmen/


Personally I'd take the word of the MIT Nuclear Science and Engineering department over an article that has been posted on a site that has now been taken down, and which appears on google with the description "genius now - unique sentient paradigm strategy pay game futuring resilience model building gift future sex".
If you could find a repost of the article anywhere so that we can see what these claims were that'd be very interesting.

The article pointed out some odd facts about when/how the site was registered and the story of josef oehmen which was full of slight misinformations. Sadly the google chache of the site is to old to be useful and I wasn't able to find a repost anywhere yet, though I understand your concers regarding the credibility. I'll post if I happen to get a copy into my fingers somehow.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 16:32:04
March 15 2011 16:03 GMT
#2875
YLE News:
+ Show Spoiler [old news] +

Reactor 4 nuclear spent fuel (waste) is exposed to air and with two holes on it. Radiation is extremely high. Thoughts of using airplanes / helicopters to drop water to cover it. Officials ordered 30km no fly zone. At some point workers measured 400 mSv/h readings (6000 mSv/day could be fatal dose).


Sorry old information. Got messed up with time frame as site updated news at the time I posted 20 minutes ago but didn't change topic. Latest news which update time is older than what I posted shows that radiation is going down.
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
March 15 2011 16:16 GMT
#2876
BBC is reporting radiation is falling: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12749444

bit confused by conflicting posts here :s
Daeden.620
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
March 15 2011 16:20 GMT
#2877
On March 16 2011 01:03 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
YLE News:

Reactor 4 nuclear spent fuel (waste) is exposed to air and with two holes on it. Radiation is extremely high. Thoughts of using airplanes / helicopters to drop water to cover it. Officials ordered 30km no fly zone. At some point workers measured 400 mSv/h readings (6000 mSv/day could be fatal dose).

Dude, please kindly exclude copypasting outdated post in this thread.
It was abt. 6 hours ago and now radiation is falling
patyrykin.net
Skrammen
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway195 Posts
March 15 2011 16:25 GMT
#2878
Not sure if this has been posted already, but I read an excellent analogy about the problems of atomic power. Borrowed from slashdot.org

+ Show Spoiler +
by grumling (94709) Alter Relationship on Sunday March 13, @03:41PM (#35471094) Homepage



Imagine you live in Rome. You are a civil engineer, in charge of building the first bridge. You build it the best you can, based on observing trees that fall across small streams. It is very dangerous, but effective for a few years. Several other people copy your design and build their own bridges using tree trunks.

Meanwhile, someone else looks at your design and determines the bridge could be built much safer if you use an ads to flatten out the top, so that people can walk on the flat area, and some ropes along the sides at hand level let people keep their balance. You try it out and find it works very well. Meanwhile, people all over Rome are falling off the "Gen 1" bridges. People protest bridges to the Roman Senate and elect people who won't allow new bridges to be built, even with the safety features.

To make matters worse, the existing bridges are now rotting. Several bridges have fallen into the creeks and many are too fragile to let more than one person across at a time. The tree bark, which provided at least some grip for people using the bridges is now gone, and when it rains the bridges are incredibly slippery. The Roman Senate funds a study to look into building "Gen 3" bridges. The engineers come back with designs for stone bridges, using the latest in geometry (the arch). The engineering community thinks this bridge will last for years, be incredibly strong and safe. But because the public has such a bad memory of the existing bridges, they want nothing to do with them. Meanwhile they demand the Senate fund more ferryboats for river crossings.
The muffin mare is seated at the labratory of the utility muffin research kitchen.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
March 15 2011 16:25 GMT
#2879
Thanks a lot for the answers guys
Really hope this ends soon.
lgn!
Profile Joined February 2010
Italy224 Posts
March 15 2011 16:28 GMT
#2880
Update 12:09: IAEA's director general Yukiya Amano: New information about reactor core is "worrying." That headline is via Bloomberg.

Some other details from a press conference:

* The suppression chamber at unit #2 appears to be damaged.
* The cause of the fire at unit #4 is unknown.
* The Japanese government has been asked to improve its information sharing with the IAEA
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