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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 15 2011 09:09 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 09:03 wishbones wrote:
please don't shoot me for asking, ive been clicking the new pages on and off but i am just curious what happens if the worst happens. Is there a nuclear explosion, a regular explosion, nature disturbed by nuclear stuff? what happens?
I guess what i am asking for, is what can happen. It's all theoretical, according to wikipedia nobody really knows exactly what would happen in the event of a meltdown, but it's probably that if the containment dome is breached and the fuel rods fuse together, it would explode and scatter radioactive material all over Japan, and possibly all the way to the west coast of the USA.
This is absolutely incorrect. There is no risk of an explosion. Nuclear fusion is an entirely different process than fission (what creates a nuclear blast). There will be no explosion but if a meltdown occurs then you have nothing between the radioactive fuel and the outside environment, as well as liquid metal melting down through the layers of the structure. If this material reaches groundwater, it can spread uncontrolled and that can very be bad. There will be an airborne release as well, this can also be very bad and render the area surrounding the plan uninhabitable for many years.
But there is no risk of an explosion. Please don't speculate, this is no place for fear mongering.
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On March 15 2011 09:14 hifriend wrote:
Come on guys...
microsievert = µSv = 10^-6 Sv
millisievert = mSv = 10^-3 Sv
Thanks lol, was starting to get confused by people freaking out, 8 micro is scary but it's not as scary as 8 milli
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2344: Tokyo Electric says that 50 employees are still staying at the Fukushima plant
50 heroes that will most likely die of cancer
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On March 15 2011 09:02 hugman wrote:
They're saying it's 8 mSv / h!!
That is not good
That... kills 100% within a month or something, right?
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On March 15 2011 09:13 Boblion wrote:
I have to admit that the technicians who are working in the central to fix all this mess are amazing. Those guys might (?) be doomed and they are still working.
"Someone had to do it." --- sealing team of Chernobyl.
I hope they can fix this before a larger are is put in danger.
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On March 15 2011 09:17 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 09:02 hugman wrote:
They're saying it's 8 mSv / h!!
That is not good That... kills 100% within a month or something, right?
it's micro, not milli....also don't just write people off as dead to cancer -_-
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Were you listening to the stream?
They said EIGHT THOUSAND MICRO SIEVERTS PER HOUR
I'm a physics major, I know the difference between µ and m
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On March 15 2011 09:17 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 09:17 Shikyo wrote:On March 15 2011 09:02 hugman wrote:
They're saying it's 8 mSv / h!!
That is not good That... kills 100% within a month or something, right? it's micro, not milli....also don't just write people off as dead to cancer -_-
it's being realistic, these guys aren't going to live to be 100.
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Hey look, they just said it again
8200 µSv / h
But it dropped again
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I doubt you are either but to say "they are doomed" is hyperbola.
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On March 15 2011 09:19 hugman wrote:
Were you listening to the stream?
They said EIGHT THOUSAND MICRO SIEVERTS PER HOUR
I'm a physics major, I know the difference between µ and m
Translation issue maybe? I don't get anything like that from any other sources at the moment.
Where was this reading taken? Front gate? Inside the secondary containment? The number is completely meaningless without a context, no matter which prefix is attached to the unit in the end.
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Oh, my. If I could go there and help anyway I can I would asap. I just give money when I can. They are having the worst luck. :/ :'(
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On March 15 2011 09:22 TimeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 09:19 hugman wrote:
Were you listening to the stream?
They said EIGHT THOUSAND MICRO SIEVERTS PER HOUR
I'm a physics major, I know the difference between µ and m Translation issue maybe? I don't get anything like that from any other sources at the moment. Where was this reading taken? Front gate? Inside the secondary containment? The number is completely meaningless without a context, no matter which prefix is attached to the unit in the end.
They said it just now on NHK, so hugman was right...
8 mSv and they didn't even mention where.
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The 8000 number they are giving is at the entry to the plant, so close proximity to the reactors.
It was mentioned earlier in the NHK broadcast
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On March 15 2011 09:13 Boblion wrote:
I have to admit that the technicians who are working in the central to fix all this mess are amazing. Those guys might (?) be doomed and they are still working.
yes they are heroes. I wonder how much they had thought about the possibility of giving their lives for this. and when it comes around it is probably like a gradual commitment and they just have to keep going and eventually it's too late to leave anyways.
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On March 15 2011 08:45 crun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 08:36 Maggeus wrote:
Okay. 1 mSv is equal to the annual dose for the public.
4 Sv = 4000 mSv is equal to a dose that has 50% chances of killing you.
Meaning 2 mSv/h is huge, and not. It's a lot above the legal level, but it's not life threatening. 500 sv/h kills within 5 hours. radiation near the reactors in chernobyl peaked 3000-30000sv/h just a comparision.
500Sv/h kills immediately. Over 10Sv/h is already deadly.
at least:
http://www.strahlentherapie.uni-bonn.de/strahlen_info.htm
German source.
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On March 15 2011 09:22 TimeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 09:19 hugman wrote:
Were you listening to the stream?
They said EIGHT THOUSAND MICRO SIEVERTS PER HOUR
I'm a physics major, I know the difference between µ and m Translation issue maybe? I don't get anything like that from any other sources at the moment. Where was this reading taken? Front gate? Inside the secondary containment? The number is completely meaningless without a context, no matter which prefix is attached to the unit in the end.
this site for example has the numbers: http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/
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On March 15 2011 09:23 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 09:13 Boblion wrote:
I have to admit that the technicians who are working in the central to fix all this mess are amazing. Those guys might (?) be doomed and they are still working.
yes they are heroes. I wonder how much they had thought about the possibility of giving their lives for this. and when it comes around it is probably like a gradual commitment and they just have to keep going and eventually it's too late to leave anyways.
It comes with the job, so I imagine they gave it quite a lot of thought before choosing their profession.
But yes, they are heroes indeed.
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On March 15 2011 08:52 dkim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 14:53 stroggos wrote:On March 12 2011 14:47 Hinanawi wrote:On March 12 2011 14:44 stroggos wrote:On March 12 2011 14:41 dump wrote:Sorta sucks, but I'm hopeful that there'll be less and less racism in the coming years. At this point most racists are the victims of political campaigns rather than of deep-rooted personal feelings or reasons. Even just having a friend on Facebook is enough to make people rethink their prejudices. china has a lot of legitimate reason to hate japan. No, they really don't. Some very old Chinese have a legitimate reason to hate some very old Japanese. 'China' does not have a reason to hate 'Japan'. Japanese today are not responsible for what happened decades ago. the japanese government has a choice to redeem themselves of what happened decades ago but chooses not to. I think that's a pretty legit reason. User was temp banned for this post. hey I got into the hugest argument with a facebook friend about this. so she goes off saying how she doesn't feel sorry for japan after things that japanese people did to chinese and how they have not made any official apologies for it. I was outraged, I am not even japanese, I am a korean. and for one, koreans have more reasons to hate japanese to begin with, but at the end of the day, Japan 80 years ago is nothing like japan today. Different rule, different attitude, different nation. How can some people be that dumb to hold grudges against an evolved entity and be able to say such things at the worst timing possible?
I'm Chinese/Taiwanese/whatever that was born in the US. I dislike the *old* Japan ofc (pre+during WW2) however I do have friends there now, and I have spent like 3.5 years learning japanese in school. (like several friends)
I'm kinda.... sad for Japan, and am trying to reorganize my funds to donate to redcross.
and I'm quite irked about those other conversations about "oh they deserved it" as well, indeed, different people.... ><
I mean I've been so bothered about it that I've been trying to get information (latest, current, correct) about it from day one and losing sleep (then again, I'm also in west coast US, so I'm affected either way by any nuclear mess-ups happen. ><)
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