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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
March 14 2011 23:19 GMT
#2401
On March 15 2011 08:15 dump wrote:
NHK analyst saying the worst case scenario could be happening.

God dammit this is horrible.
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
March 14 2011 23:19 GMT
#2402
Japanese Nuclear Security announced it was a hydrogen explosion.
This is reassuring... But not enough. :/
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
March 14 2011 23:21 GMT
#2403
# BREAKING NEWS: Radiation tops legal limit after blast heard at Fukushima nuke plant (08:16)
# BREAKING NEWS: Suppression pool may have been damaged at No. 2 reactor: gov't agency (08:07)

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/
Divine_
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden115 Posts
March 14 2011 23:21 GMT
#2404
This is horrible, horrible news. My thoughts are with the people who lost their lives, relatives, friends and homes.
Maniac _ DivinE _ deluxE
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
March 14 2011 23:22 GMT
#2405
third fucking explosion just hit the #2 plant.
Dixer_ca^^ | Polt | Byun | MKP | DRG | White-Ra | Beastyqt | Maru | Creator
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 14 2011 23:23 GMT
#2406
The hydrogen explosion is like "okay, it happened at #1. Then they predicted it would happen at #3, and it did. So are we surprised it happened at #2?"

The suppression pool is the most worrisome detail, there's no way to keep water inside and the rods are going to be exposed.
kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
March 14 2011 23:24 GMT
#2407
On March 15 2011 08:10 Razith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 08:08 dump wrote:
NHK analyst says that there's a possibility that the containment vessel is compromised...


Reactor 1 and 3 both survived an explosion, however they stated reactor 2 containment vessel had a defect.. that is what worries me. Plus it was only 'heard' so lets wait and see.

Hopefully everything is still intact.

I see no reliable source that states the reactor #2 has a defect or is otherwise more at risk than reactors #1 and #3 were. Reactors #1 and #3 exploded because of the venting of hydrogen gas from the core containment unit caused the external weather-defensive containment unit to explode when the hydrogen ignited. Currently, #1 and #3 reactor's core containment units are functioning and there has only been minor radiation leakage from the venting of gas and vapor from the core containment units.
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 14 2011 23:25 GMT
#2408
Can they...destroy the plant safely?

Explosion at #2 as well?
@
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 23:26:10
March 14 2011 23:25 GMT
#2409
Wow, LeMonde.fr is saying (with good info) that the explosion was 2 hours info...

What the hell is happening ?

Maybe that was another explosion, and there are another one ? If it's right, it's bad.
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 14 2011 23:26 GMT
#2410
On March 15 2011 08:25 Maggeus wrote:
Wow, LeMonde.fr is saying (with good info) that the explosion was 2 hours info...

What the hell is happening ?


NHK just confirmed that there was a "sound" heard at #2 hours ago, no info released.
@
AntiLegend
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany247 Posts
March 14 2011 23:26 GMT
#2411
what i was always wondering about those explosions:

[image loading]

it is my understanding that the explosions happen due to hidrogen/oxygen in the area between primary and secondary containment.

a) how does it get there?
b) cant you just open a door or something?
c) if the secondary containment gets blown away, wouldnt the water and steam pipes rupture and thus more or less be a "leak" of the primary containment?
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
March 14 2011 23:26 GMT
#2412
On March 15 2011 08:24 kaisen wrote:
I see no reliable source that states the reactor #2 has a defect or is otherwise more at risk than reactors #1 and #3 were. Reactors #1 and #3 exploded because of the venting of hydrogen gas from the core containment unit caused the external weather-defensive containment unit to explode when the hydrogen ignited. Currently, #1 and #3 reactor's core containment units are functioning and there has only been minor radiation leakage from the venting of gas and vapor from the core containment units.


BBC, Reuters and Kyodo quote Edano stating there is a defect.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 14 2011 23:30 GMT
#2413
On March 15 2011 08:25 sqrt wrote:
Can they...destroy the plant safely?

Explosion at #2 as well?

Destroying the plant will only make matters worse.
The Uranium won't go away. The plant is designed to contain the Uranium, if you blow it up it won't contain it.
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 23:43:02
March 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#2414
Radiation has increased to 1941 uSv/h at the entry of the plant.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
March 14 2011 23:33 GMT
#2415
On March 15 2011 08:31 Maggeus wrote:
Radiation has increased to 1941 mSv/h at the entry of the plant.


This is not good... this kind of natural disasters just suck...
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
March 14 2011 23:35 GMT
#2416
On March 15 2011 08:31 Maggeus wrote:
Radiation has increased to 1941 mSv/h at the entry of the plant.


Not sure what that means, can you explain the units and whats considered normal to lethal? or offer links with explanations?
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 23:38:21
March 14 2011 23:35 GMT
#2417
On March 15 2011 08:26 AntiLegend wrote:
what i was always wondering about those explosions:

[image loading]

it is my understanding that the explosions happen due to hidrogen/oxygen in the area between primary and secondary containment.

a) how does it get there?
b) cant you just open a door or something?
c) if the secondary containment gets blown away, wouldnt the water and steam pipes rupture and thus more or less be a "leak" of the primary containment?

a.) In a melt down, if some of the fuel comes in direct contact with water, it reacts by splitting the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas. Hydrogen combusts very easily.

Or it could just be a matter of steam accumulating and causing really high pressure.

b.) They've been trying to release steam to lower pressure in all the reactors.

c.) The water in the outer parameters (secondary containment) is separate from the fuel.

(I think)
lowkontrast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States855 Posts
March 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#2418
On March 15 2011 08:35 Razith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 08:31 Maggeus wrote:
Radiation has increased to 1941 mSv/h at the entry of the plant.


Not sure what that means, can you explain the units and whats considered normal to lethal? or offer links with explanations?


1000mSv is the safe amount of radiation per year.
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
March 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#2419
Okay. 1 mSv is equal to the annual dose for the public.
4 Sv = 4000 mSv is equal to a dose that has 50% chances of killing you.

Meaning 2 mSv/h is huge, and not. It's a lot above the legal level, but it's not life threatening.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#2420
On March 15 2011 08:35 Razith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 08:31 Maggeus wrote:
Radiation has increased to 1941 mSv/h at the entry of the plant.


Not sure what that means, can you explain the units and whats considered normal to lethal? or offer links with explanations?


They're getting twice as much radiation in an hour what most people get in a year. Not immediately lethal, but not very healthy.
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