EPTEDIT: From BBC
"1918: Technicians have resumed injecting seawater into the stricken reactor 2 at Fukushima after a steam vent of the pressure container was opened, Kyodo news agency reports citing Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco)."
Crisis in Japan - Page 119
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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members. Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
EDIT: From BBC "1918: Technicians have resumed injecting seawater into the stricken reactor 2 at Fukushima after a steam vent of the pressure container was opened, Kyodo news agency reports citing Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco)." | ||
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elscuba
Japan34 Posts
still down scale( rods are still fully exposed). | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On March 15 2011 02:08 Hypnotikdel wrote: Sorry this is a bit off topic but .... I'm not really knowledgeable about earth quakes or about the tectonic plate movement but i've been thinking and was quite puzzled. I'll try to put this in the simplest form of a question as I can. When the plate moved off the coast of Japan and triggered an earthquake there, why wouldn't it set off a chain reaction of movement and earthquakes around the rest of the plate? (i.e: After the Earthquake off the coast of Japan why wasn't there a earthquake produced, say on the west coast of California?) Im taking a natural disasters course right now, and the answer lies in the fact that the tectonic plates are so massive that they can plastically deform. That is, the part that subducted near japan caused the nearby parts plate to stretch out very slightly, which allowed the far away parts of the plate to remain still. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
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Chancho
United States50 Posts
A large scale cover-up of the extent and severity of Japan’s multiple nuclear meltdowns is now underway, according to Yoichi Shimatsu, the former editor of the Japan Times Weekly. Mr. Shimatsu appeared on CCTV, China’s state-run television network. http://www.infowars.com/japanese-government-cover-up-foreshadows-mega-disaster/ According to the Japanese government, the explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi No. 3 reactor is not much to worry about. Officials said the inner reactor container remained intact, but this information should be taken with a large grain of salt – the Japanese government has a fairly extensive track record of covering up its nuclear accidents and mishaps. In 2003 alone, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) shut down 17 plants because the company had falsified records pertaining to a series accidents that pale in comparison to what is now unfolding at Fukushima and other nuclear power plants in the country. --- --- http://www.infowars.com/tracking-page-japans-nuclear-meltdown-aftershocks-fallout/ --- http://www.infowars.com/nuclear-expert-radiation-could-spread-to-us-west-coast/ “The worst case scenario is that the fuel rods fuse together, the temperatures get so hot that they melt together in a radioactive molten mass that bursts through the containment mechanisms and is exposed to the outside. So they spew radioactivity in the ground, into the air, into the water. Some of the radioactivity could carry in the atmosphere to the West Coast of the United States,” Cirincione told Fox News. When host Chris Wallace questioned whether radioactivity could travel thousands of miles across the Pacific, Cirincione responded, “Oh, absolutely. Chernobyl, which happened about 25 years ago, the radioactivity spread around the entire northern hemisphere. It depends how many of these cores melt down and how successful they are on containing it once this disaster happens.” “One reactor has had half the core exposed already,” explained Cirincione. “This is the one they’re flooding with sea water in a desperate effort to prevent it from a complete meltdown. They lost control of a second reactor next to it, a partial meltdown, and there is actually a third reactor at a related site 20-kilometers away they have also lost control over. We have never had a situation like this before.” Fears that the radiation could reach the United States have prompted the California Department of Public Health to issue a statement saying they are assessing the situation and that they have radioactivity monitoring systems in place for air, water and the food supply. As the Washington Blog has documented, pollution from Chinese coal factories routinely hits California. --- http://www.infowars.com/category/featured-stories/ As always, we should hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. It is admitted that the first plant has melted down, and 6 more nuclear power plants in Japan are in danger. If they fail, this situation could get even worse. Japanese authorities are distributing potassium iodide to its population for thyroid protection. For U.S. populations, we can hope that most of the radiation will disperse into the ocean and never reach us, however, with the U.S. West Coast in the direct path of the jet stream from Japan, it is a good precaution to stock up on potassium iodide or natural iodine from kelp, which can prevent the absorption of radioactive iodine, the most common complication from radiation poisoning. Consult with your doctor or medical professional before taking these or any supplement (we are NOT giving medical advice). However, unfortunately, we cannot count on the government to be honest and upfront with us about the dangers of fallout, so you should consider your own potential risks and don’t wait until things are already underway. Try these Google shopping links or check your local stores for iodine from kelp and potassium iodide. Check Wikipedia and other sources for more info on the safety of potassium iodide and recommended doses. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
Not that i didn't expect a full meltdown (which has been pretty much confirmed) would be bad. | ||
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Myrdin
United Kingdom47 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:27 Myrdin wrote: A full meltdown is reasonably likely, however the containment vessels should be able to withstand it, I don't think any significant amount of radiation will escape. Well, a few days ago it would've been "failure of all cooling systems is extremely unlikely" and then "failure of the concrete containment layer is extremely unlikely" and on and on and replace with every single failsafe. I do agree with you though, they did cool the core for quite a while, so even if it breaches the pressure vessel it might not penetrate the half a meter (or however much) thick layer of steel at the bottom. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
Unit 1: This is the plant that experienced an explosion on Saturday: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/NJVss.jpg) What I see here is that it appears as if the roof of the reactor building cleanly pancaked onto the refueling floor. There is no equipment really visible. The gantry crane in the building is gone. The spent and new fuel pools are not visible, which is clearly concerning - either the pools are gone, or totally buried underneath the roof debris (if what I suspect about pancaking is correct). Either way, there's no way to tell what the status of the pools might be by looking at this photo. Unit 3: This is the plant that experienced an explosion on Sunday evening, U.S. time. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/H1vEv.jpg) What a mangled mess. The explosion was clearly more powerful at Unit 3. Again, there are no fuel pools visible, which means either they are buried under the debris, or that they no longer exist. So, where's the spent fuel? Who knows. If the pools do in fact still exist, they're inaccessible. The bottom line is that there's no way to get around the refueling floor, and the building actually looks in much worse shape than Unit 1. It also appears as if either the ejecta from the explosion landed on the Unit 3 turbine building (foreground), or that the turbine building was also significantly damaged in the explosion. Either way, my concerns are heightened regarding operability of any equipment in either Unit 1 or Unit 3, and particularly about the status of the spent fuel pools in both units. Source | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:08 Nizaris wrote: how reliable is that infowars.com website? Pretty bad stuff... Not that i didn't expect a full meltdown (which has been pretty much confirmed) would be bad. From google description: The web page of syndicated radio host Alex Jones. Conspiracy-tinted site containing strong opposition to socialism, communism, and the New World Order. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host) whois info (as it's verbose, spoiler+quote tags) + Show Spoiler + # GANDI Registrar whois database for .COM, .NET, .ORG., .INFO, .BIZ, .NAME # # Access and use restricted pursuant to French law on personal data. # Copy of whole or part of the data without permission from GANDI # is strictly forbidden. # The sole owner of a domain is the entity described in the relevant # 'domain:' record. # Domain ownership disputes should be settled using ICANN's Uniform Dispute # Resolution Policy: http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm # For inquiries about 'by policy' protection, please check directly # with the appropriate registry (Eurid, AFNIC) # # Acces et utilisation soumis a la legislation francaise sur # les donnees personnelles. # Copie de tout ou partie de la base interdite sans autorisation de GANDI. # Le possesseur d'un domaine est l'entite decrite dans # l'enregistrement 'domain:' correspondant. # Un desaccord sur la possession d'un nom de domaine peut etre resolu # en suivant la Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy de l'ICANN: # http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm # Pour obtenir les informations en status 'Protected by policy', contactez # directement le registre concerne (Eurid, AFNIC) # # 2011-03-14 21:54:17 CET domain: infowars.com reg_created: 1999-03-07 00:00:00 expires: 2014-03-07 00:00:00 created: 2000-09-01 18:59:04 changed: 2010-03-16 22:55:22 transfer-prohibited: yes ns0: ns1.nfowars.net ns1: ns2.infowars.net ns2: ns3.infowars.com 67.159.41.241 ns3: ns4.prisonplanet.com owner-c: nic-hdl: AJ751-GANDI owner-name: Alexander Jones organisation: Alexander Jones person: Alexander Jones address: "Free Speech Systems, LLC\r\nPO Box 19549" zipcode: 78760 city: Austin country: United States of America phone: +1.5122915750 fax: +1.8882481135 email: domains@infowars.com lastupdated: 2009-07-02 21:47:38 admin-c: nic-hdl: VN20-GANDI organisation: infowars.com person: Alex Jones address: "Free Speech Systems, LLC\r\nPO Box 19549" zipcode: 78760 city: Austin country: United States of America phone: +33.15122915750 fax: +33.18668941767 email: 7caee533b6ee0b9a69765cc21f4e072a-32511@contact.gandi.net lastupdated: 2010-03-16 19:25:11 tech-c: nic-hdl: VN20-GANDI organisation: infowars.com person: Alex Jones address: "Free Speech Systems, LLC\r\nPO Box 19549" zipcode: 78760 city: Austin country: United States of America phone: +33.15122915750 fax: +33.18668941767 email: 7caee533b6ee0b9a69765cc21f4e072a-32511@contact.gandi.net lastupdated: 2010-03-16 19:25:11 bill-c: nic-hdl: VN20-GANDI organisation: infowars.com person: Alex Jones address: "Free Speech Systems, LLC\r\nPO Box 19549" zipcode: 78760 city: Austin country: United States of America phone: +33.15122915750 fax: +33.18668941767 email: 7caee533b6ee0b9a69765cc21f4e072a-32511@contact.gandi.net lastupdated: 2010-03-16 19:25:11 Imo not completely trustworthy from these, but, whatever. you decide for yourself. (plus the poster put into his quotes the two sites that Alex Jones made. . . . whatever | ||
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a-game
Canada5164 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:38 Zealotdriver wrote: From Richard Blair, a nuclear power engineer, at 3 pm EDT on Monday, Source Thanks for posting, good info. Not enough people/media are talking about the spent fuel pools. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On March 15 2011 04:44 ZeroCartin wrote: BREAKING: Fast Increasing Radiation Levels in #Japan #Fukushima http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/speedi/pref.php?id=08 @J_Kachelmann The highest recorded radiation levels are 2990 nGy/h. That seems to be about... 3 micro SV per hour. All (Cosmic rays make up a small component of that, which is why the gamma radiation levels are far above normal) combined sources of natural background radiation come to be... About 2 milli SV per year. It would take almost 30 days for that amount of radiation to be leaked, to double the background radiation received by the population - which would still not be a problem. (Plenty of people live in areas with much higher background radiation). | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:47 Nightfall.589 wrote: The highest recorded radiation levels are 2990 nGy/h. That seems to be about... 3 micro SV per hour. You can't convert Gray to Sievert without knowing the makeup of the radiation, which you don't. | ||
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
This is the worst earthquake in recorded history. Sure it may not be the highest on the richter scale, but it happened in one of the most densely populated areas in the world. Several port towns in California were completely destroyed, and many small ships in the bay area went topside. Did Hawaii get a tsunami warning? If we got hit hard enough to be fatal, then Hawaii can only be worse. Squenix mmorpg servers are down in an effort to conserve power for the hospitals. The scariest thing I saw was the tsunami video, with black debris ripping down houses.It didn't even look like water. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:53 hugman wrote: You can't convert Gray to Sievert without knowing the makeup of the radiation, which you don't. Gamma rays, which I was lead to believe leads to a 1:1 conversion. Edit: Well, I apparently misread the source. Nowhere does it actually point at gamma rays. It's rather hard to make any threat conclusions, then, as the ratio can be anywhere from 1:1 to 1:20. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:47 Nightfall.589 wrote: The highest recorded radiation levels are 2990 nGy/h. That seems to be about... 3 micro SV per hour. All (Cosmic rays make up a small component of that, which is why the gamma radiation levels are far above normal) combined sources of natural background radiation come to be... About 2 milli SV per year. It would take almost 30 days for that amount of radiation to be leaked, to double the background radiation received by the population - which would still not be a problem. (Plenty of people live in areas with much higher background radiation). If I understand it correctly, the only radiation that has escaped is that of the steam they have been forced to release to lower pressure. And uranium which has a very high melting point isn't necessarily at risk of melting down? Is that what's happened or did I miss something? | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:56 hifriend wrote: If I understand it correctly, the only radiation that has escaped is that of the steam they have been forced to release to lower pressure. And uranium which has a very high melting point isn't necessarily at risk of melting down? Is that what's happened or did I miss something? Exposed fuel rods will release radiation into the atmosphere. I believe that happened on two occasions. While uranium does have a high melting point, and the amount of heat produced by the reactor has gone down, significantly, meltdown will happen if it is not continuously cooled. | ||
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Razith
Canada431 Posts
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/ | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 15 2011 07:01 Razith wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Partial defect found in No.2 reactor's container: Edano (06:58) http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/ now is that good or bad? depends if it is fixable right? ^^ | ||
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