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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 14 2011 07:34 GMT
#2161
On March 14 2011 16:32 Grettin wrote:
Seems like "the number two reactor has lost all of it's coolant". says NHK. This means, there might be a explosion soon. Not sure are they talking about Fukushima or something else.


Yeah, there are reactors #1 through to #3 in Fukushima.
Kr1pos
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway67 Posts
March 14 2011 07:38 GMT
#2162
On March 14 2011 16:32 Grettin wrote:
Seems like "the number two reactor has lost all of it's coolant". says NHK. This means, there might be a explosion soon. Not sure are they talking about Fukushima or something else.

What? Why would the loss of coolant lead to an explosion?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 14 2011 07:45 GMT
#2163
the same way it happened with reactor 1 and 3 (today). As long as the inner containment stays intact that explosion isn't a problem.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 07:51:24
March 14 2011 07:49 GMT
#2164
On March 14 2011 16:38 Kr1pos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 16:32 Grettin wrote:
Seems like "the number two reactor has lost all of it's coolant". says NHK. This means, there might be a explosion soon. Not sure are they talking about Fukushima or something else.

What? Why would the loss of coolant lead to an explosion?


I'm not an expert, but if there isn't any cooling water the reactor gets pressure and it explodes or something.

I guess its similar to PC components, processors etc (without the explosions though). If there isn't anything to cool it off > it overheats and you know the rest.

Quote from NHK's news:

"Fears of an explosion grew when the water level of the No. 3 reactor dropped, exposing fuel rods, and a reaction with the steam generated a large amount of hydrogen. The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says that even if the top of the building has blown off, the reactor chamber will not be affected."


E: seems like Nagano is having some earthquakes, any confirm on that? Just a regular "nonharm" aftershock?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Aurocaido
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada288 Posts
March 14 2011 07:50 GMT
#2165
Al Jazeera reporting that an additional 2,000 bodies discovered just off the coast of Japan's Miyagi Prefecture.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 14 2011 07:57 GMT
#2166
On March 14 2011 16:49 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 16:38 Kr1pos wrote:
On March 14 2011 16:32 Grettin wrote:
Seems like "the number two reactor has lost all of it's coolant". says NHK. This means, there might be a explosion soon. Not sure are they talking about Fukushima or something else.

What? Why would the loss of coolant lead to an explosion?


I'm not an expert, but if there isn't any cooling water the reactor gets pressure and it explodes or something.

I guess its similar to PC components, processors etc (without the explosions though). If there isn't anything to cool it off > it overheats and you know the rest.

Quote from NHK's news:

"Fears of an explosion grew when the water level of the No. 3 reactor dropped, exposing fuel rods, and a reaction with the steam generated a large amount of hydrogen. The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says that even if the top of the building has blown off, the reactor chamber will not be affected."


E: seems like Nagano is having some earthquakes, any confirm on that? Just a regular "nonharm" aftershock?


Yeah it ended up being nothing more than an M3 in Ibaraki.
Kr1pos
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway67 Posts
March 14 2011 07:58 GMT
#2167
Summary from press conference just now:
- They have evacuated remaining people from the 20km zone.
- No significant increase in radiation around the area.
- In plant #2, the cooling system haven't been working fully.
- Right now the water is two meters above the rods and sinking.
- They think the can restore the cooling system by relieving pressure from inside the container.
- If this fails, they'll have to resort to seawater.
SagaCHii
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia2 Posts
March 14 2011 07:58 GMT
#2168
hope everything is alright in japan. this is terrible
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
March 14 2011 08:01 GMT
#2169
thanks for the nuclear updates, lets me breathe a bit easier
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 08:23:23
March 14 2011 08:14 GMT
#2170
Rolling blackouts begin in Tokyo.

Edit: Sorry I'm getting really tired, I mean Tokyo Electric is beginning rolling blackouts.
Kr1pos
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway67 Posts
March 14 2011 08:21 GMT
#2171
On March 14 2011 16:49 Grettin wrote:
I'm not an expert, but if there isn't any cooling water the reactor gets pressure and it explodes or something.

Wikipedia: Nuclear meltdown gives you an idea of what happens if the nuclear fuel rods are left uncooled. There won't be any explosion. The previous explosions were (expected but unfortunate) consequences of venting, but have nothing to do with what could happen if there's a meltdown.
TsundereLOVE
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
March 14 2011 08:27 GMT
#2172
Yep... I flew into Japan the day before the earthquake lol... wasn't expecting this kind of tragedy to occur, was really sudden too... ><

Lot of scared people even now, people are overreacting a bit much though and toilet paper, food, water, etc are sold out in supermarkets in certain areas
背に腹はかえられぬ
Alshahin
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
56 Posts
March 14 2011 08:29 GMT
#2173
On March 14 2011 16:32 Grettin wrote:
Seems like "the number two reactor has lost all of it's coolant". says NHK. This means, there might be a explosion soon. Not sure are they talking about Fukushima or something else.


This is very bad. Especially if they think there will be an explosion. But I guess with this they mean that no.2 will follow with it's own hydrogen explosion. There won't be a nuclear explosion.

If there is a complete meltdown with no cooling that will generate a lot of heat. And heat means pressure. If the pressure is too great it will eventually explode and that can cause uranium to be blown into the air just like with Chernobyl.

If a 7.0 aftershock hits during meltdown, that might have very serious results.

It is really worrying that several reactors are on a knife edge and not just one.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 14 2011 08:29 GMT
#2174
On March 14 2011 17:27 TsundereLOVE wrote:
Yep... I flew into Japan the day before the earthquake lol... wasn't expecting this kind of tragedy to occur, was really sudden too... ><

Lot of scared people even now, people are overreacting a bit much though and toilet paper, food, water, etc are sold out in supermarkets in certain areas

When your country was hit by a 9.0 EQ and 10m tsunami, its not overreacting. Its normal.
Terran
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
March 14 2011 08:31 GMT
#2175
On March 14 2011 17:21 Kr1pos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 16:49 Grettin wrote:
I'm not an expert, but if there isn't any cooling water the reactor gets pressure and it explodes or something.

Wikipedia: Nuclear meltdown gives you an idea of what happens if the nuclear fuel rods are left uncooled. There won't be any explosion. The previous explosions were (expected but unfortunate) consequences of venting, but have nothing to do with what could happen if there's a meltdown.


Well, you might be right i wont argue about that. But nevertheless the cooling going off isn't the best possible thing to happen right know.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
TsundereLOVE
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
March 14 2011 08:34 GMT
#2176
On March 14 2011 17:29 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 17:27 TsundereLOVE wrote:
Yep... I flew into Japan the day before the earthquake lol... wasn't expecting this kind of tragedy to occur, was really sudden too... ><

Lot of scared people even now, people are overreacting a bit much though and toilet paper, food, water, etc are sold out in supermarkets in certain areas

When your country was hit by a 9.0 EQ and 10m tsunami, its not overreacting. Its normal.



It's not like everywhere was hit by the 9.0... the east coast got hit really hard though. Even in areas that weren't really affected, is what I meant. Though there are a lot of things to factor I suppose... we have scheduled blackouts coming... well, they were scheduled but they keep changing the time or calling them off, just in case we don't have enough power supply at the moment
背に腹はかえられぬ
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 14 2011 08:36 GMT
#2177
Man, it looks like there's some insane power savings going on right now all over Japan.

People are shutting off displays, elevators, vending machine lights...

Imagine if everyone'd been doing this all the time.
fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
March 14 2011 08:38 GMT
#2178
Tepco is also saying it has safely cooled down two reactors at the Daini plant; they are still working on cooling the three at the Daiichi plant - both in Fukushima Prefecture.
-Reuters
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
March 14 2011 08:41 GMT
#2179
Hope they manage to contain the plants successfully, really hope for the best
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
March 14 2011 08:42 GMT
#2180
On March 14 2011 17:36 dump wrote:
Man, it looks like there's some insane power savings going on right now all over Japan.

People are shutting off displays, elevators, vending machine lights...

Imagine if everyone'd been doing this all the time.

Makes you realize how much people like to be comfortable.
It's only when something big strikes, people buckle down and sacrifice their comfort.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
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