EPTMohammed Gaddafi to Al Jazeera: "There is only one God..." (gun fire got louder) "hello..., yes...inside my house, I don't know who it is"
Libyan Uprising - Page 119
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
All joking aside, that is probably what will happen... | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On August 22 2011 08:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Surprised we haven't heard from the big three in terms of statements: Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy. Especially the latter two. Reuters reports: US president Obama says he will make a statement on Libya when he has full confirmation on what is happening. via Al Jazeera On August 22 2011 09:38 Multifail wrote: Now the strongest of the generals of the rebels gets to kill off any opposition and start his VERY OWN military dictatorship! YOU WIN! All joking aside, that is probably what will happen... I doubt that. I think some form of a council between the various leaders will work to make a new constitution or pick a new leader. Won't be all good news, but I seriously doubt another military dictatorship. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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Fattah
Egypt128 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:22 p4NDemik wrote: You really think so? Seems like a stretch to compare a post-Gaddaffi Libya to Afghanistan circa the turn of century. The latter going through a major war against the Soviets, then Civil War, and then War against the US. Afghanistan has seen basically 30 years of unrest and War, compared to 40 years of relative stability (even if it was a Military dictatorship). At least there is some semblance of infrastructure in Libya after this war is over, something to build around. Afghanistan has been the center of fighting for so long people have been left with next to nothing. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on Libyan politics but the lack of foreign occupying forces and the seemingly warm reception of the rebels in Tripoli makes any Afghan-style prolonged warfare unlikely. Alright maybe I shouldn't have slipped Afghanistan in there. But I still hang on to the Iraq part. Occupancy forces or not. I don't think you read the part where I said that the rebels WILL have different ideologies and political motivations amidst them. Now add weapons to that mix. Take Egypt for an example. Everyone from the North South East West was basically chanting for the revolution. Just six months in you have the Sinai Badw attacking with weapons that we have basically never seen used in Egypt, EVER. You want to tell me that that will be different in Libya just because people like the flag they used when they were occupied by Italy? That is my point. I doubt you can say this is improbable at all, despite the fact of being a noob in Libyan politics (or lack thereof tbh). EDIT: ok to make this crystal clear. I AM TALKING ABOUT IDEOLOGICAL AND POLITICAL ARMED STRUGGLE. That is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:43 nalgene wrote: What happens to Israel/US if these rebels/extremists get rid of Gaddafi? US supports the rebels (extremists...really?) and aids them via NATO. So Obama will be happy. As for Israel I doubt there will be any consensus on that until a new leader emerges. Arab League in general is mad at Israel though because of recent deaths in Egypt. | ||
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KasdaTheEmperor
Croatia239 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:43 nalgene wrote: What happens to Israel/US if these rebels/extremists get rid of Gaddafi? Why should anything happen. US is certainly safe because they were on the forefront of NATO airstrikes and Israel is Israel, they weren't not pro nor con gaddafi, so i guess nothing | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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OsoVega
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
The end is near. Gaddafi would be wise to run and hide. Actually, no. He should surrender and face the crimes he committed against his own people, the same people he is obligated to protect, to serve, and to not usurp from. Congratulations, Libya, and good luck with rebuilding your land. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On August 22 2011 10:22 Mobius_1 wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14608807 The end is near. Gaddafi would be wise to run and hide. Actually, no. He should surrender and face the crimes he committed against his own people, the same people he is obligated to protect, to serve, and to not usurp from. Congratulations, Libya, and good luck with rebuilding your land. I dunno, it could go down like the end of Scarface except more sunglasses and less cocaine. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Hekisui
195 Posts
On August 22 2011 10:04 OsoVega wrote: I'm a supporter of returning the nationalized (stolen) oil fields to their rightful owners. lol you mean BP and Total? | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On August 22 2011 10:04 OsoVega wrote: I'm a supporter of returning the nationalized (stolen) oil fields to their rightful owners. Does that include BP, the company that lobbied for the release of Megrahi, the guy responsible for the Lockerbie bombing? Maybe if Gaddafi survives he can testify on the details of the discussions between his government and the oil companies. Not holding my breath, but since he'd have nothing to lose, why not. | ||
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gzealot
Singapore238 Posts
The rebels, undeniably, received a lot of help in the form of airstrikes, helicopter strikes from US,UK and France, and increased cooperation between NATO and the rebels - there were reports of FOs on the ground coordinating airstrikes and special ops team in direct support. (of course the media would never see this.) If you read the NATO weekly reports they had been steadily degrading regime ammunition, fuel and military supplies for weeks now. All of Gaddafi's perceived invincibility hinged on the ability to keep Zawiyah, Zaziya and Gharyan. Gharyan and Zaziya went down without much of a fight, and the rebels brought the fight to loyalist troops in Zawiyah. I mean really.. fighting a war without air cover against NATO air force. It was a losing battle for sure.. and its been a really cost effective war - US spent like just a billion so far? | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:43 nalgene wrote: What happens to Israel/US if these rebels/extremists get rid of Gaddafi? US will be happy Gaddafi is finally gone. As for Israel, I am betting my money that which ever form of new government gets set up in Libya, they will be more or less anti-Israel, so I guess it's like getting rid of a wolf for a hyena. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On August 22 2011 10:04 OsoVega wrote: I'm a supporter of returning the nationalized (stolen) oil fields to their rightful owners. Probably not going to happen as they'll keep making loans( to countries that they know that they may not be able to pay back the debt ) to such country for the privatization of their oil/natural resources...Ecuador/Panama... Didn't he also want to create a new currency with African and Arab countries leading up to the military intervention? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Are we going to see a peaceful transition of power or will the power vacuum create another Gadaffi? | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On August 22 2011 11:42 Gamegene wrote: The question you have to always ask is: What next? Are we going to see a peaceful transition of power or will the power vacuum create another Gadaffi? I think it will be peacefull, I think Libya has a relatively bright future. Congratulations to the Libyan rebels, their war is finally almost over. | ||
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