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United States2958 Posts
Hopefully, Libya is more Old Major than Napoleon. | ||
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TheVoice88
Norway23 Posts
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DH_Remorse
Denmark139 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:01 DH_Remorse wrote: When he's brought down I want someone with a mega-phone to yell out "FATALITY" Gamer style :D. Also Dansih goverment needs to stop droping 2mill$ "SMART" bombs on his ass... -.-. Drop a "Seal Team 6 -made in the usa" instead please. Im delighted to read this. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On August 22 2011 16:01 DH_Remorse wrote: When he's brought down I want someone with a mega-phone to yell out "FATALITY" Gamer style :D. Also Dansih goverment needs to stop droping 2mill$ "SMART" bombs on his ass... -.-. Drop a "Seal Team 6 -made in the usa" instead please. The $2,000,000 is only a waste if the bombs aren't used. Besides, a $2M weapon isn't worth (read: military/strategy worth) much these days. But no thanks, I'd rather not lose anymore members of Seal Team 6 for at least a year. Too many heroes died too recently to send them on another high priority/extremely dangerous op. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
I really don't understand why NATO is even involved, they say it's to stop civilian deaths but when they help the freedom fighters to advance and gain territory they become an invasion force and I don't agree with that at all. If NATO's mission is this, then NATO needs to do the same stunt they've now pulled in Lybia in 20 more countries. From what I know Gaddafi isn't actually a brutal leader? He doesn't randomly fire upon civilians like a certain Syrian leader and doesn't Gaddafi actually bring lots of money into the country and to the people with the oil that he sells? I mean he has been the leader for 42 years surely it's not that bad if you compare to other countries in the region. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:17 DwD wrote: I was wondering how come NATO is helping the freedom fighters? Surely just because a group of people is unhappy with the current regime that doesn't mean NATO should interfer? If they are unhappy they should push for legit voting of presidency and not take to arms? I really don't understand why NATO is even involved, they say it's to stop civilian deaths but when they help the freedom fighters to advance and gain territory they become an invasion force and I don't agree with that at all. If NATO's mission is this, then NATO needs to do the same stunt they've now pulled in Lybia in 20 more countries. From what I know Gaddafi isn't actually a brutal leader? He doesn't randomly fire upon civilians like a certain Syrian leader and doesn't Gaddafi actually bring lots of money into the country and to the people with the oil that he sells? I mean he has been the leader for 42 years surely it's not that bad if you compare to other countries in the region. Gaddafi isn't a brutal leader? Tell that to the people he bombed and to the city of Benghazi who he threatened to go door to door to wipe out the entire population. | ||
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Tercotta
Canada402 Posts
On August 22 2011 23:29 tree.hugger wrote: 4/4 I wish it was just 4 TreeHugger. I wish. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:23 jello_biafra wrote: Gaddafi isn't a brutal leader? Tell that to the people he bombed and to the city of Benghazi who he threatened to go door to door to wipe out the entire population. Yes? I don't know about you but if you got people trying to kill you and all of your supporters you aren't allowed to do the same back? As a leader of a country you must be allowed to strike down a rebellion which is armed. It's not like there is 90% support for the rebels and that Gaddafi got a very low amount of supporters, It's like 50/50? I'm not sure actually but I do know lots of people did support him. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6324 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:27 DwD wrote: Yes? I don't know about you but if you got people trying to kill you and all of your supporters you aren't allowed to do the same back? As a leader of a country you must be allowed to strike down a rebellion which is armed. It's not like there is 90% support for the rebels and that Gaddafi got a very low amount of supporters, It's like 50/50? I'm not sure actually but I do know lots of people did support him. There were peaceful protests and he shot on them only after that parts of the army defaulted and they picked up weapons. After that they asked the UN for a no fly zone which got agreed upon ( 3 countries refrained from voting ) which is how NATO got involved. And no the support wasn't 50/50 the support for Gadaffi was already not that great anymore even in Tripoli. | ||
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KasdaTheEmperor
Croatia239 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:27 DwD wrote: Yes? I don't know about you but if you got people trying to kill you and all of your supporters you aren't allowed to do the same back? As a leader of a country you must be allowed to strike down a rebellion which is armed. It's not like there is 90% support for the rebels and that Gaddafi got a very low amount of supporters, It's like 50/50? I'm not sure actually but I do know lots of people did support him. It all started with Libyan people wanting to have more rights and political reforms, Gaddafi refused and to crush the demonstrations, which were peaceful at the beginning, he started using mercenaries from other countries. Libyan people didn't wanna surrender to his oppressive rule and started fighting back. Before NATO started it's operations Saif al Islam was in the outskirts of Benghazi with the regime army saying something along the lines: Np, it will all be resolved in 24hrs! meaning he will kill the whole population of Benghazi (second biggest city after Tripoli). If NATO didn't intervene it would've certainly been a bloodbath. Nothing strange for Gaddafi, when he came to power closed all the streets leading to a mosque in Tripoli except one where he hung his opponents (something like that, can't remember properly) on the street lights. As to why NATO intervened, i don't understand it either. Someone will perhaps enlighten us | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:27 DwD wrote: Yes? I don't know about you but if you got people trying to kill you and all of your supporters you aren't allowed to do the same back? As a leader of a country you must be allowed to strike down a rebellion which is armed. It's not like there is 90% support for the rebels and that Gaddafi got a very low amount of supporters, It's like 50/50? I'm not sure actually but I do know lots of people did support him. No...you don't get to deploy bombers against civillian targets, what the fuck is wrong with you... | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:23 jello_biafra wrote: Gaddafi isn't a brutal leader? Tell that to the people he bombed and to the city of Benghazi who he threatened to go door to door to wipe out the entire population. I think his point is that even when the NATO wants to prevent civilian deaths from Gaddafi, its bombing caused civilian deaths on its own as well, which is not that much of a difference | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
According to Mustafa Jalil, Sirte is under seige. Al Jazeera's sources confirm that electricity to the city has been cut and communications disrupted and senior Gaddafi officials have taken refuge there. Amongst them is the Information Minister Ali al Kilani. While in Brega opposition fighters have entered the industrial area after a rebel artillery barrage drove off Gaddafi forces. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:51 thoradycus wrote: I think his point is that even when the NATO wants to prevent civilian deaths from Gaddafi, its bombing caused civilian deaths on its own as well, which is not that much of a difference In America when they catch a serial killer they generally give them the death sentence. They should really stop going after serial killers, they only end up killing more people! Nato bombings haven't even exceeded a hundred deaths. Gaddaffi has killed many thousands during his reign. Just because you people never bothered to look it up and Gaddaffi rarely made a scene out of his murders doesn't mean he was a saint like some deluded people here are thinking. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:20 DwD wrote: I clearly didnt say he was a saint, but he is no super evil compared to other people. I understand NATO taking out the Lybian airforce, hell even my country helped with this and I agree with it. What I don't agree with is NATO bombing Gaddafi base after base allowing the rebels to advance and now capture the capital stealing the power from Gaddafi. So now that he is put aside you really think it will become better for the Libyian people? I doubt it, the rebel leaders consist of former Gaddafi supporters who are militant islamic and they just want what he had. I have no doubt things will be better for the Libyan people, they aren't islamic extremists. And no way the support was split 50/50 in the population, 90-95% support for the rebels (among the general public) is what I estimate. It got to the point where Gaddafi no longer had the money to pay people to pretend to be his supporters on state TV. The alternative to intervention was to sit back and watch Gaddafi massacre huge numbers of his own people. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:20 DwD wrote: I clearly didnt say he was a saint, but he is no super evil compared to other people. I understand NATO taking out the Lybian airforce, hell even my country helped with this and I agree with it. What I don't agree with is NATO bombing Gaddafi base after base allowing the rebels to advance and now capture the capital stealing the power from Gaddafi. So now that he is put aside you really think it will become better for the Libyian people? I doubt it, the rebel leaders consist of former Gaddafi supporters who are militant islamic and they just want what he had. Are things gonna get better? Maybe. And that "maybe" is allready an improvement of the old situation where the answer to that question would be a resounding no. People probably said the exact same thing after the french revolution. There are always those too scared like yourself to change the status quo, that's what these dictators have to rely on. | ||
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