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brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
March 02 2012 15:46 GMT
#1161
General Giap top 10 military leader in the history ezpz, I would go as far as top 5
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FreshVegetables
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland513 Posts
March 02 2012 15:53 GMT
#1162
The greatest leaders that come to my mind immediately are Erwin Rommel and C.G.E Mannerheim.
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pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
March 02 2012 15:55 GMT
#1163
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godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
March 02 2012 16:04 GMT
#1164
On March 02 2012 10:30 Euronyme wrote:
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On February 27 2012 20:58 Crushinator wrote:
On February 27 2012 20:04 Euronyme wrote:
On February 27 2012 19:48 Crushinator wrote:
Though it is not as glamorous as a any single indicidual mentioned in the thread, the Prussian General Staff as an institution has to be mentioned when it comes to military leadership. Though politically incompetent, the military excellence of the Prussian General Staff is undeniable. German organisational efficiency at its finest.


Dunno about politically incompetent. Wasn't Bismarck a master politician?


Though you did correctly identify Bismarck as a Prussian, you seem to have failed to consider the fact that not all Prussians are military officers. Bismark was indeed a master politician and statesman, and as such he was not in the military.

*shakes head in disbelief*


Fact of the matter is that he was a general, although he obviously was a politician first. He was behind the wars that unified Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_bismarck

Half of all pictures of him seems to be in his general uniform as well. No need to be condescending.

Bismark himself never actuallly served as a military officer nor in charge of preparing the military, most of the battle were lead by Helmuth von Moltke and the King, and the war preparation were made by Roon. Bismark himself was a master diplomat, considered by many as one of the greatest diplomat and stateman of all time along with the likes of other greats like Metternich. Bismark was famous for his using diplmacy to keep his enemies isolated from other european powers, first Austria then Franace.
IamVirGin
Profile Joined March 2012
119 Posts
March 02 2012 18:41 GMT
#1165
It's not really possible to notch down the "greatest" military leader of history, particularly because as has been mentioned defining the role is hard as well. In older times most leaders would be kings, queens, shahs or some form of politicians as well as a general.

As a stricktly battlefield commander though, Tsubodai gets my nod. Under and after Genghis served many a talented leader of man - Jebe, Muqali, Zelme and Genghis himself and his sons and brothers - but Tsubodai man.. he was something special.

The Vietnamese general mentioned on the previous page also deserves some more mentions.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
March 02 2012 23:11 GMT
#1166
On March 03 2012 03:41 IamVirGin wrote:
It's not really possible to notch down the "greatest" military leader of history, particularly because as has been mentioned defining the role is hard as well. In older times most leaders would be kings, queens, shahs or some form of politicians as well as a general.

As a stricktly battlefield commander though, Tsubodai gets my nod. Under and after Genghis served many a talented leader of man - Jebe, Muqali, Zelme and Genghis himself and his sons and brothers - but Tsubodai man.. he was something special.

The Vietnamese general mentioned on the previous page also deserves some more mentions.


Then you remove Napoleon though. You can't remove Napoleon from a 'great military leaders' thread!
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kittendealer
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada4 Posts
March 03 2012 19:11 GMT
#1167
eric von manstein,imho. was a brillant plan,to have the main german forces to come out of the ardennes,and sweep across france,he also saved the german eastern front in 43,with his counter attack at karkov. just my opinion.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-04 02:30:58
March 04 2012 02:30 GMT
#1168
On February 27 2012 21:04 kobrakai wrote:
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On February 26 2012 13:47 screamingpalm wrote:


Wellington (Wellesley) got a mention, but I would argue that much of the success he enjoyed was due to the reforms made by Sir John Moore. Wellington was a decent commander in his own way, but not as versatile and more specialized in defensive tactics using the terrain to his advantage.


Where on earth do you get such mis-information?

Is it because Wellington liked to station his troops on the reverse slopes of hills so as to not incur greater casualties from artillery (this seems to me a sensible thing to do)?


Ever heard of the battles of Assaye (i'll help you out, a force of under 10,000 attacked and defeated the Maratha army of 60,000) or Aragum or the storming of Gawilghur?

Now lets look at the Peninsular war (the following is a list of major battles commanded by the Duke of Wellington):


Rolicia - attacked
Vimeiro - defended
Douro - attacked
Talevera - defended (only because Cuesta decided not to attack, like Wellington wanted to, allowed the french to get away, then pursued, ran head long into the entire french army and then retreated)
Bussaco - defended

Retreaded behind the lines of Torres Vedras.

Pombal - attacked
Redinha - attacked
Fuentes de Oñoro - defended
Ciudad Rodrigo - assaulted
Badajoz - assaulted
Salamanca - attacked (as the saying goes 40 minutes to destroy 40 000 men)
Burgos - assaulted (failed)


Vitoria - attacked
San Sebastian - assaulted
Bidassoa - attacked
Nivelle - attacked
Garris - attacked
Toulouse - assaulted

And so concludes the Peninsular war. As you can see you are officially retarded and shouldn't post things that are completely and utterly false.

Reading threads like this make me depressed.









Sorry just saw this reply lol. I was referring to reverse-slope tactics mainly, but strategically, he was very defensive (maybe cautious is a better word) even when he ended up attacking. He was very good at forcing battles where and when he wanted (even when he ended up attacking- he was often on the strategic defensive before that).
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i_imperator
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Ireland94 Posts
March 04 2012 12:13 GMT
#1169
Not Sure if he has been mentioned but Sulla was a pretty cool Roman General, he marched his armies into Rome twice!. And he tried for the dictatorship years before Caesar was born. IICR from my history lectures I believe Caesar's family had to go into hiding because of his cruel rule.

Also I don't think there's any mention of Augustus, yea he wasn't as successful as Julius in terms of upfront military combat, but he did manage to strengthen,unite and extend the Roman empire to its largest boundaries. And he was more than able to deal with civil war (Marc Anthony and Cleopatra).


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