Great Military leaders of History? - Page 59
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brachester
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On March 02 2012 10:30 Euronyme wrote: Fact of the matter is that he was a general, although he obviously was a politician first. He was behind the wars that unified Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_bismarck Half of all pictures of him seems to be in his general uniform as well. No need to be condescending. Bismark himself never actuallly served as a military officer nor in charge of preparing the military, most of the battle were lead by Helmuth von Moltke and the King, and the war preparation were made by Roon. Bismark himself was a master diplomat, considered by many as one of the greatest diplomat and stateman of all time along with the likes of other greats like Metternich. Bismark was famous for his using diplmacy to keep his enemies isolated from other european powers, first Austria then Franace. | ||
IamVirGin
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As a stricktly battlefield commander though, Tsubodai gets my nod. Under and after Genghis served many a talented leader of man - Jebe, Muqali, Zelme and Genghis himself and his sons and brothers - but Tsubodai man.. he was something special. The Vietnamese general mentioned on the previous page also deserves some more mentions. | ||
Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On March 03 2012 03:41 IamVirGin wrote: It's not really possible to notch down the "greatest" military leader of history, particularly because as has been mentioned defining the role is hard as well. In older times most leaders would be kings, queens, shahs or some form of politicians as well as a general. As a stricktly battlefield commander though, Tsubodai gets my nod. Under and after Genghis served many a talented leader of man - Jebe, Muqali, Zelme and Genghis himself and his sons and brothers - but Tsubodai man.. he was something special. The Vietnamese general mentioned on the previous page also deserves some more mentions. Then you remove Napoleon though. You can't remove Napoleon from a 'great military leaders' thread! | ||
kittendealer
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On February 27 2012 21:04 kobrakai wrote: Where on earth do you get such mis-information? Is it because Wellington liked to station his troops on the reverse slopes of hills so as to not incur greater casualties from artillery (this seems to me a sensible thing to do)? Ever heard of the battles of Assaye (i'll help you out, a force of under 10,000 attacked and defeated the Maratha army of 60,000) or Aragum or the storming of Gawilghur? Now lets look at the Peninsular war (the following is a list of major battles commanded by the Duke of Wellington): Rolicia - attacked Vimeiro - defended Douro - attacked Talevera - defended (only because Cuesta decided not to attack, like Wellington wanted to, allowed the french to get away, then pursued, ran head long into the entire french army and then retreated) Bussaco - defended Retreaded behind the lines of Torres Vedras. Pombal - attacked Redinha - attacked Fuentes de Oñoro - defended Ciudad Rodrigo - assaulted Badajoz - assaulted Salamanca - attacked (as the saying goes 40 minutes to destroy 40 000 men) Burgos - assaulted (failed) Vitoria - attacked San Sebastian - assaulted Bidassoa - attacked Nivelle - attacked Garris - attacked Toulouse - assaulted And so concludes the Peninsular war. As you can see you are officially retarded and shouldn't post things that are completely and utterly false. Reading threads like this make me depressed. Sorry just saw this reply lol. I was referring to reverse-slope tactics mainly, but strategically, he was very defensive (maybe cautious is a better word) even when he ended up attacking. He was very good at forcing battles where and when he wanted (even when he ended up attacking- he was often on the strategic defensive before that). | ||
i_imperator
Ireland94 Posts
Also I don't think there's any mention of Augustus, yea he wasn't as successful as Julius in terms of upfront military combat, but he did manage to strengthen,unite and extend the Roman empire to its largest boundaries. And he was more than able to deal with civil war (Marc Anthony and Cleopatra). | ||
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