EPTGreat Military leaders of History? - Page 13
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
3/ Genghis Khan did not create the largest empire in human history, the british did. Two thirds of the surface of the earth was controlled by them, and, as the quote goes "the sun never sets on the british empire" | ||
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Mofisto
United Kingdom585 Posts
On February 15 2011 21:08 Carras wrote: if you merely state it as a fact, it MIGTH be true (really not sure,idk) but it has nothing to do with the topic,brithish empire was sustained by economics The OP stated that Genghis Khan created the largest empire in human history. This statement is wrong, so my comment has everything to do with the topic. If you dont believe me look it up. 1/4 of the earths land mass and 2/3's of its surface And no empire has ever been sustained without a strong economy, so your comment is redundant. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
maybe you could say its the bigger ammount ONE PERSON ruled... | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Whenever your most well known victory involves bonking unwitting drunk Hessians over the head on Christmas... I'm not sure if you are that impressive. I personally have to go with Napoleon. The dominance he achieved in a time where military parity was far greater than other times in history is truly amazing. | ||
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nTwLegy
Croatia63 Posts
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
On February 15 2011 21:00 mofisto wrote: And it was the French who dealt the decisive blow at the end of WW1 (second battlle of the Marne). The French have a glorious military history, and it's not only under NApolean that they achieved them. The idea that the French couldnt fight themselves out of a wet paper bag is completely false (not that that is what you're saying here, it's just a common opinion) You sure that you're from the UK? | ||
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
25000 dead vs 180000 dead ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim.jpg/378px-Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim.jpg) | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Mofisto
United Kingdom585 Posts
Lol, yeah mate. I just know that what most people believe about the french military is completely false. I mean even we would have been invaded by the nazis if it hadn't been for the channel. We would not have stood a chance | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
Saves the West from the Ottoman Empire when noone else could and doesn't afraid of anything. Also people ignoring Julius Caesar because he had a better army are jokes, great generals aren't just the ones who win against the odds. They are great because of what they do, and frankly JC did it all. Oh and anyone not saying Temujin as #1 is a fool  . | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On February 15 2011 21:19 mofisto wrote: The OP stated that Genghis Khan created the largest empire in human history. This statement is wrong, so my comment has everything to do with the topic. If you dont believe me look it up. 1/4 of the earths land mass and 2/3's of its surface And no empire has ever been sustained without a strong economy, so your comment is redundant. It is actually up for debate, and history books within one country can have different definitions, and history books in different nations often have different intepretations. Just for example, british definitions of "The British Empire" include huge uninhabited land in Canada and Australia, while the uninhabited taiga in northern russia and china are not included in the Mongolian Empire. And large parts of the mongolian empire was sparsely populated and was hardly controlled at all by the Mongolian empire, they might have sworn loyalty to Ghengis Khan but it hard to say exactly how much if anything it actually meant. Same with most empires really. And British (or maybe i should say western) definitions commonly count the entire India as part of the British empire while Indian history not at all considers its entire country having been colonized. The British empire was without a doubt huge and the largest power at the time, but stating it as a hard fact that it was The Biggest Empire of all times no question about it is hard. A good historian could probably write an entire book on this subject, analyzing influence, actual control, population etc and come to some conclusion on what the biggest empire in history is. I just want to say that in my school, by my teacher and in my history book the Mongolian Empire was listed as largest... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Anyways, I am terrible at military history, so I'll just say Lee Young Ho.  | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/kEajo.jpg) Turtle ships ftw! ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/2xrIc.jpg) | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
Oda Nobunaga While Hideyoshi may have "officially" ended the sengoku era in Japan, it was Nobunaga who set the foundation for the unification of Japan. Nobunaga's army organization skills were far ahead of his time and made his army one of the most advanced fighting force at the time. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Odanobunaga.jpg) Yue Fei One of the greatest Generals in Chinese history, He fought against the Jurchens (Manchurians) as the Song dynasty crumbled under their invasion. (Jurchens conquered much of Northern china above Shanghai at the time) While there were other great general at this time, it is Yue Fei's battles that eventually lead to Jurchens giving up and agreeing to a peace treaty with the Song Dynasty. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Yue_fei-brightened.jpg) Yi Sun Sin He was mentioned couple times in the thread. I'd argue Yi Sun Sin as the greatest Admiral of all time. He has never lost a single battle, even against a great odds at times. (13 ships vs 133 ships + 200 support vessels??) Yi sun sin was a crucial part of Korean victory during the Imjin war cutting off Japanese supply route. While out shined by his victories in the sea, Yi Sun Sin also has experience of skirmish with the Jurchens earlier in his life. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Statue_of_Yi_Sunsin_-_Cropped.JPG) Emperor Kangxi At the time of his rule, Emperor Kangxi undoubtedly ruled the mightiest empire on the planet. 4th Emperor of Qing dynasty. His Campaign in Tibet, Mogolia and Taiwan nearly doubled the size of China, bigger than China in its current form. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/The_Kangxi_Emperor.jpg) Honorable mentions: Tokugawa Ieyasu and Toyotomi Hideyoshi Han Xin Lǐ Shìmín, Yeon Gaesomun and Yang Manchun | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
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Jergen
United States136 Posts
I don't think you can really say the French never really won wars. They are the French. During like, the 1300s-1500s they were the dominant power in Europe, and that's before Napoleon came in and kicked a bunch of people's teeth in. Also, George Washington lost almost every major battle he was in. Hell, he shot up his own team the first skirmish he was in. That's not to say he wasn't an amazing statesman, he was just a poor general. My picks for top 5 (no particular order): Napoleon Hannibal Caesar Robert E. Lee Rommel | ||
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Mofisto
United Kingdom585 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 15 2011 21:45 mofisto wrote: Lol, yeah mate. I just know that what most people believe about the french military is completely false. I mean even we would have been invaded by the nazis if it hadn't been for the channel. We would not have stood a chance Yeah it's so boring to hear people saying the French are "faggot", never win any war, like the OP. Especially the US boyz, the worst fighters in history, always coming like four years after the beginning of each wars, making sure everybody think they are the one that did all the shit (when the French almost did everything during WW1 until the british came to help later, and the russian more than half of the work during WW2). Let's go fighting a poor country with high technology and loosing, but still flaming the French's war history. | ||
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Myrkul
Croatia132 Posts
And this George Washington and Robert E. Lee business is ridicoulus, borderline embarassing. It's analougus to me making a list and placing, lets say Josip Broz Tito above Napoleon. This Americano-centrism is slowly but surely grating on my nerves | ||
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