EPTGreat Military leaders of History? - Page 12
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Ren91
United Kingdom190 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 15 2011 19:23 chenchen wrote: Do Americans really think that Washington was a good general, even the greatest of all time? Most don't no. He was just extremely lucky. He was an extraordinary leader but general...no. Hitler was much the same way. Amazing leader, terrible military general. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2745 Posts
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Neverm0re
Slovakia15 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3996 Posts
On February 15 2011 19:36 Fraidnot wrote: Also, sort of dick. I mean who launches a surprise attack on Christmas of all days? The Georgians attacked their south Ossetia on the opening day of Summer Olympics while it is known in the modern world that the olympic games are about bringing peace to nations and only aimed to help people to fight against wars  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On February 15 2011 20:17 Jayme wrote: Most don't no. He was just extremely lucky. He was an extraordinary leader but general...no. Hitler was much the same way. Amazing leader, terrible military general. Seriously, Washington's strategy was essentially to retreat faster than the British could attack. He lost almost every single battle he engaged in and was considered to be a horrible tactician. More here (scroll down to #1). Great guy, though. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
how can u forget hannibal | ||
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Tercotta
Canada402 Posts
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Major-General_James_Wolfe.jpg) | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
The main two that stick out for me though are Julius Caesar and Pompey, Pompey while less known was pretty damn good. Did some crazy stuff in his early life that allowed him to rise to power at an absurd rate. Then he was chosen by the senate to fend of Caesar (which he did an admirable job of considering how superior Caesars troops were - after the experience they gained in the campaign of Gaul). Caeser is fairly self explanatory. Also Themistocles, that man was amazing. Got the Athenians to spend the silver money in the mine shaft they found on boats, which ended up helping them win the battle of Salamis, key in beating back the Persians. He also pretty much orchastrated the battle of Salamis, even if there was a Spartan technically in charge, everyone knew Spartans didn't know shit about boats. God I love classical history ^_^ | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
The Mongols also had quite a few contenders. As for Sun Tzu, he's questionable in terms of existence, though for China, Cao Cao and Mao Zedong was brilliant. The US had Stonewall Jackson, who more or less has a perfect track record. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
On February 15 2011 19:49 vol_ wrote: Lim Yo Hwan Nicely played. | ||
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On February 15 2011 20:11 TALegion wrote: Ghengis Khan QFT. He was godawful. He just lucky over and over. He had allot help from the French. | ||
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
![[image loading]](http://ghostlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/alcoholismyfriend.jpg) On a more serious note, nice topic. I would name Genghis Khan. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On February 15 2011 13:45 Thereisnosaurus wrote: George motherfucking Patton. Ok, so as far as achievements go he didn't have a lot, but god damn did that man know how to run his mouth. And his unit. lol I was going to say General Patton... mainly because someone I know in the military has the last name Patton and I would always joke to him and say how's your grandfather doing. He ran his mouth a lot too >,< | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
On February 15 2011 20:23 Neverm0re wrote: Sun Tzu... I don't know what wars did he lead or how he was good, nonetheless he was wise man and he wrote book Art of War, wich have read nearly every general in world, and if he haven't he totally should. Without him, maybe modern generals like Rommen wouldn't be so good Modern general read Clausewitz! | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
ps:washington being first is pretty stupid IMO | ||
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Askalaphos
Germany772 Posts
On February 15 2011 20:20 Navane wrote: Oh yes, that's right... but without Kenny I stay withKenny. He was chosen to defend Heaven. Frederick the Great! An example of the place that Frederick holds in history as a ruler is seen in Napoleon Bonaparte, who saw the Prussian king as the greatest tactical genius of all time; after Napoleon's defeat of the Fourth Coalition in 1807, he visited Frederick's tomb in Potsdam and remarked to his officers, "Gentlemen, if this man were still alive I would not be here". | ||
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Mofisto
United Kingdom585 Posts
On February 15 2011 13:35 Timberwolf593 wrote: For my first post, I'm going to make a post on a topic I'm familiar in so as not to embarrass myself in front of the teamliquid community: military history. Here are my picks for top 5. 5. Napoleon Bonaparte Was a strategic genius who led France to its peak IMO. France never won any important battles before him and never did after him. ![[image loading]](http://www.fullissue.com/wp-content/uploads/Napoleon_Bonaparte.jpeg) 4. Alexander the Great Even though he died young, he carved out an empire unrivaled in scope for the time. And he almost certainly would have gone further if he didn't run into elephants in India. ![[image loading]](http://faq.macedonia.org/images/alexander.mosaic.jpg) 3. Erwin Rommel He was a good guy who fought for the wrong side. He beat the crap out of the British with numerically inferior forces. Probably the greatest military strategist of the modern era. ![[image loading]](http://ww2resource.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/rommel.jpg) 2. Genghis Khan Created the largest empire in human history. Led a team of ragtag savages to victory against civilizations many times more technologically advanced. The modern day equivalent would be some backwards country like Ethiopia conquering the United States. For that, he goes down as number 2 in my book. Just look at the growth of his empire! ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Mongol_Empire_map.gif) ![[image loading]](http://planetforward.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/genghis-khan-green.jpg) 1. George Washington He's number one in my book because on top of being a great general who wasn't afraid to take risks and won battles when it counts, he was quite possibly the best combo of leader/general/recruiter in human history. And let's not forget his legacy. The system of Democracy is still widely believed to be the best form of government today and is used by the most advanced countries. Not only that, but he turned down the offer to be king and set the precedent for all U.S. presidents after him to follow. ![[image loading]](http://www.visitingdc.com/images/george-washington-picture.jpg) No offense mate, but your history is a bit off. 1/ France was the number 1 power in europe during the entire medieval ages. They won far more battles (yes, even without the americans) than they lost. A loose alliance of all other european nations could not shake its power. And lets not forget that if the french had not been on your side during the war of independence, you would never have been able to beat the british. It was also the french who were protecting your left flank during the 1st gulf war as well. And it was the French who dealt the decisive blow at the end of WW1 (second battlle of the Marne). The French have a glorious military history, and it's not only under NApolean that they achieved them. The idea that the French couldnt fight themselves out of a wet paper bag is completely false (not that that is what you're saying here, it's just a common opinion) 2/ Yes Rommel was an incredible military strategist. Did he beat the Brits? On occasion yes, but we beat him in the end. (look up el-alamein) 3/ Genghis Khan did not create the largest empire in human history, the british did. Two thirds of the surface of the earth was controlled by them, and, as the quote goes "the sun never sets on the british empire" | ||
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