Shooting at LA High School

On January 19 2011 04:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Gunman still on the campus according to Police.

On January 19 2011 04:46 Shauni wrote:
nobody died?

On January 19 2011 04:45 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:
I like how people make a big deal about it when it happens in a school out of the ghetto.

On January 19 2011 04:45 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:
I like how people make a big deal about it when it happens in a school out of the ghetto.

On January 19 2011 04:55 xLethargicax wrote:
I am watching it live right now and a teacher is being interviewed, she is smiling for the press coverage, wtf.

On January 19 2011 05:09 War Horse wrote:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/police-at-least-3-shot-at-california-high-school/?hpt=T2

According to the school, the gun was in a backpack and discharged when dropped

so not really a school shooting as much as a incredibly stupid accident.

On January 19 2011 05:09 War Horse wrote:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/police-at-least-3-shot-at-california-high-school/?hpt=T2

According to the school, the gun was in a backpack and discharged when dropped

so not really a school shooting as much as a incredibly stupid accident.

On January 19 2011 05:10 Sufficiency wrote:
US needs tougher gun law. Seriously.

Then again, this is a historical problem which is unlikely to get changed any time soon.

On January 19 2011 05:10 DwD wrote:
??? That can't be right. How can the gun shoot 3 people on accident while being dropped? Did he carry a fucking m16 in his backpack...

On January 19 2011 05:10 travis wrote:


then how did it shoot 3 people? lol

Alaniz told the affiliate that a student brought the gun to school in a backpack, and when the student dropped the backpack, the gun discharged and wounded two students.

On January 19 2011 05:10 DwD wrote:
??? That can't be right. How can the gun shoot 3 people on accident while being dropped? Did he carry a fucking m16 in his backpack...

On January 19 2011 05:12 LazyMacro wrote:

Anyone here who understands how a firearm functions knows that a firearm (a modern one, that is) cannot, by design, discharged by being dropped. Period.


Oh for fuck's sake, get the fuck out. Don't start the fucking obligatory gun control debate. It'll get the thread closed.


It can't. That's the problem. The school is blatantly lying to cover something up.

On January 19 2011 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:


OK I am sorry I brought it up. Regardless, it's mind-baffling why someone would bring a gun to school.

On January 19 2011 05:17 Gatsbi wrote:
how does a trigger of a gun get pulled by falling? this doesnt make any sense

On January 19 2011 05:17 TallMax wrote:
He dropped it on the ground, then there was a huge California earthquake. It seems like they've lost someone by the end of the story. It says three people in the headline, 3 students in the first paragraph, and two students were shot according to the last one.

At first, I was going to disagree with the US needing tougher gun laws, but yeah, I agree, this actually is the perfect example of needing tougher ones. Of course, he could've just forgotten to take his gun out of his backpack after going on a hunting trip.

On January 19 2011 05:23 LazyMacro wrote:

No problem, I just don't want the thread to devolve into a gun control debate (read: people calling each other names, etc.).

To me, it's not that someone would bring a gun to school. Utah has no problems with it and they're just fucking fine. It's when someone has the intent to commit a malicious act. At that point it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, a cup of hot coffee, etc.

Stupid people do stupid shit and innocent people get hurt for no reason.


It doesn't. The gun wasn't discharged from being dropped. Period.

Guns are discharged deliberately or out of negligence.


Here we go... If this gets locked I'm blaming you. The other guy was pretty civil about it.

On January 15 2011 05:43 LazyMacro wrote:
One pretty common misconception is that gun control makes sense.

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At that point it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, a cup of hot coffee, etc.

On January 19 2011 05:26 LazyMacro wrote:
My point was the thread is about the school shooting, not about gun control, and typically threads like this get derailed after a few pages and turn into a gun control thread and obviously get closed.

Duh.

On January 19 2011 05:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:



M16s fire 556 rounds which aren't designed for penetration.

On January 19 2011 04:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


I like how people contort everything to be racist, sexist, or some other form of bias.

I'm pretty sure it isn't the norm for a student to come to school armed and shoot a few people in the ghetto and that if it happened it would be reported on.

On January 19 2011 05:34 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:

My ass, one of my good friends got shot in a drive by, my dad has been working as a teacher in LA for more than 20 years and has seen countless shootings. A kid even tried to do a drive by on a bicycle for christ's sake. You DON'T hear about inner city crime nearly as much as you do about subrubian crime.

On January 19 2011 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:


OK I am sorry I brought it up. Regardless, it's mind-baffling why someone would bring a gun to school.

On January 19 2011 05:51 Sfydjklm wrote:
of course a gun can discharge upon dropping it, a simple google search would confirm that, you pseudo gun-experts.

On January 19 2011 05:59 Sprungjeezy wrote:
NO responsible person would pack a GUN in a backpack. You unload it and put it in a case or in the open. Accidentally carrying a loaded gun in a backpack is a bad joke/cover up/HORRIBLE excuse.

On January 19 2011 05:10 Sufficiency wrote:
US needs tougher gun law. Seriously.

Then again, this is a historical problem which is unlikely to get changed any time soon.

On January 19 2011 05:31 MidKnight wrote:
How often do school shootings stuff happen in the other parts of the world btw?
There are a lot of fucked up people all over the world, sure, but a random student WILL NOT be able to get a firearm in most other countries, so it usually just remains a fantasy..

I'm sorry, but 2nd amendment is a joke.It's a law enforced 200+ years ago and now people look at it as some sort of "tradition" which "made America oh so great".It's plain and simple brainwashing.
Apply common sense moar..

Other than that, let's hope there will be no casualties out of this thing..

On January 19 2011 05:31 GeneralStan wrote:


556 rounds are very small projectiles, which combined with the incredible muzzle velocity of an M16 causes them to penetrate very well for a rifle round

On January 19 2011 06:33 Millitron wrote:

I don't think penetration was the point. I think the point was that M16s fire a three-round burst.

On January 19 2011 05:31 MidKnight wrote:
How often do school shootings stuff happen in the other parts of the world btw?
There are a lot of fucked up people all over the world, sure, but a random student WILL NOT be able to get a firearm in most other countries, so it usually just remains a fantasy..

I'm sorry, but 2nd amendment is a joke.It's a law enforced 200+ years ago and now people look at it as some sort of "tradition" which "made America oh so great".It's plain and simple brainwashing.
Apply common sense moar..

Other than that, let's hope there will be no casualties out of this thing..

On January 19 2011 06:39 Nyx wrote:


We don't have shootings, but kids still manage to kill each other with knives, so....

On January 19 2011 06:39 Nyx wrote:


We don't have shootings, but kids still manage to kill each other with knives, so....

On January 19 2011 05:23 LazyMacro wrote:

No problem, I just don't want the thread to devolve into a gun control debate (read: people calling each other names, etc.).

To me, it's not that someone would bring a gun to school. Utah has no problems with it and they're just fucking fine. It's when someone has the intent to commit a malicious act. At that point it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, a cup of hot coffee, etc.

Stupid people do stupid shit and innocent people get hurt for no reason.


It doesn't. The gun wasn't discharged from being dropped. Period.

Guns are discharged deliberately or out of negligence.


Here we go... If this gets locked I'm blaming you. The other guy was pretty civil about it.

On January 19 2011 06:22 RoosterSamurai wrote:
How would that help anything? If people can get illegal drugs, what makes you think they can't get illegal guns?

On January 19 2011 05:31 MidKnight wrote:
How often do school shootings stuff happen in the other parts of the world btw?
There are a lot of fucked up people all over the world, sure, but a random student WILL NOT be able to get a firearm in most other countries, so it usually just remains a fantasy..

On January 19 2011 06:59 Enervate wrote:
If you read the article, the gun discharged after his backpack was set on the desk, not because the backpack was dropped. Also, only 1 round was fired. This is not likely some sort of elaborate cover-up. Just a terrible accident.

On January 19 2011 07:05 War Horse wrote:

I would say carrying a loaded gun in a backpack then dropping it would be negligence

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/18/california.high.school.shooting/index.html

Since the police are calling it an accidental shooting, you are putting forth the theory that the school, the students, and the police are all lying?

On January 19 2011 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I suppose the safety on the gun was flipped off by a book in his bookbag as well? If the safety wasn't engaged he had intentions of using it anyways and if it wasn't it wouldn't have gone off.

Even if it "accidently" went off before he could use it as he intended I'm almost certain it's illegal to carry a weapon onto school property. There's absolutely no excuse for bringing a weapon to school, especially a loaded firearm with the safety off.

On January 19 2011 05:23 LazyMacro wrote:
It's when someone has the intent to commit a malicious act. At that point it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, a cup of hot coffee, etc.

On January 19 2011 06:47 LazyMacro wrote:

I think this just illustrates that if someone has malicious intent, they will carry out their plan with what is available. It's not like you make all guns disappear, and all the murderers, rapists, robbers, and psychos just go, "Aw, shit" and go home.

I find it comical that you made this post considering your displayed country, since regardless of gun law differences (I wouldn't know what the gun laws are in your country) Lithuania consistently has a higher homicide rate than the United States the United Kingdom and France combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#2000s
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0301.pdf

On January 19 2011 07:46 MidKnight wrote:
For some reason developed countries which have gun restriction laws don't have bad guys killing regular citizens left and right because regular citizens "oops they didn't have guns to defend themselves".

On January 19 2011 07:48 theron[wdt] wrote:
most modern semi-automatic firearms have something called a drop safety, which means the firing pin will not engage when the gun is dropped on a hard surface. unless he had a revolver with the hammer back or the safety off with something engaging the trigger or a really old POS firearm, the gun did not go off by simply setting it on the table.

On January 19 2011 07:58 bluefuzz wrote:


So we are assuming that he has a modern firearm? As far as I know we still don't know what type of weapon it was, could have been a WWII Sten, which is known for accidental discharge when it is dropped. And although I doubt it, a long rifle, which most do not have a drop safety.

"Accidental discharges not involving trigger-pull can also occur if the firearm is mechanically unsound: poor maintenance, abuse, inept "gunsmithing," or the use of substandard materials or defective ammunition in the gun may all lead to breakage."

Old dirty gun not taken care of from grandpas old stuff in the attic? Until they tell us more, we are kinda stuck on the AD part of it.

On January 19 2011 07:58 bluefuzz wrote:


So we are assuming that he has a modern firearm? As far as I know we still don't know what type of weapon it was, could have been a WWII Sten, which is known for accidental discharge when it is dropped. And although I doubt it, a long rifle, which most do not have a drop safety.

"Accidental discharges not involving trigger-pull can also occur if the firearm is mechanically unsound: poor maintenance, abuse, inept "gunsmithing," or the use of substandard materials or defective ammunition in the gun may all lead to breakage."

Old dirty gun not taken care of from grandpas old stuff in the attic? Until they tell us more, we are kinda stuck on the AD part of it.

On January 19 2011 08:02 Terrakin wrote:

This is most likely it, a very similar (without wounding anyone) shot was fired at my school by accident.

Kid brings gun to school, has it in pocket, discharged and did not hurt anyone. I just don't understand if you were showing off or intimidating why you would need a loaded weapon.

On January 19 2011 07:55 BlackJack wrote:


You know who has the most school shooting deaths per capita in recent history? Finland

On January 19 2011 08:09 11cc wrote:


Finland needs stricter gun restriction laws. As does USA.

On January 19 2011 05:28 Haemonculus wrote:

This argument has never made sense to me.

On January 19 2011 08:13 reg wrote:


Simple concept: less gun control, less gun related crime. It doesn't have to make sense to you and you don't have to like it but facts are facts.

On January 19 2011 08:28 Romantic wrote:

Reg says it, so it is true?

Oh how I love thee, internet.

A quick Google showed numerous studies from Yale etc explicitly challenging the idea.

On January 19 2011 08:28 Romantic wrote:
Reg says it, so it is true?

Oh how I love thee, internet.

A quick Google showed numerous studies from Yale etc explicitly challenging the idea.

On January 19 2011 08:35 11cc wrote:

But did they take into account that facts are facts?

On January 19 2011 05:17 Gatsbi wrote:
how does a trigger of a gun get pulled by falling? this doesnt make any sense

On January 19 2011 08:13 reg wrote:


Simple concept: less gun control, less gun related crime. It doesn't have to make sense to you and you don't have to like it but facts are facts.

On January 19 2011 05:10 DwD wrote:
??? That can't be right. How can the gun shoot 3 people on accident while being dropped? Did he carry a fucking m16 in his backpack...

On January 19 2011 08:41 reg wrote:





http://www.opposingviews.com/i/busting-the-gun-control-equals-less-crime-myth

Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity.

On January 19 2011 08:41 reg wrote:





http://www.opposingviews.com/i/busting-the-gun-control-equals-less-crime-myth

Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity.

On January 19 2011 09:01 ckw wrote:


Please don't start this again because everyone knows that most of the shootings in the U.S. are by illegally obtained guns. The only thing a gun law restricts is the right for law abiding citizens to have them. Duh.

On January 19 2011 08:41 reg wrote:





http://www.opposingviews.com/i/busting-the-gun-control-equals-less-crime-myth

Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity.

On January 19 2011 09:11 Romantic wrote:

So increased availability of guns doesn't make it easier to acquire one illegally? Well, of course it makes it easier. One of the most common methods of obtaining guns is to steal them from legal owners

The USA is off the chart for gun related deaths and there is no surprise as to why.

Hey, at least Columbia and Zimbabwe are a little bit more dangerous!

On January 19 2011 09:11 Romantic wrote:

So increased availability of guns doesn't make it easier to acquire one illegally? Well, of course it makes it easier. One of the most common methods of obtaining guns is to steal them from legal owners

The USA is off the chart for gun related deaths and there is no surprise as to why.

Hey, at least Columbia and Zimbabwe are a little bit more dangerous!

On January 19 2011 08:41 reg wrote:





http://www.opposingviews.com/i/busting-the-gun-control-equals-less-crime-myth

Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity.

On January 19 2011 09:39 TarQeS wrote:
It always suprises me how many people in a thread thats linked to gun violence think its not relevant to discuss gun control. Maybe its just because i live in a extremely middle class part of England but i honestly would not even know how to go about getting hold of a gun. Ive never seen or heard of anyone having one (im 21) and have reasonable exposure to drugs etc.

In all honesty it suprises me there arent more school shootings in the US. There are always a few kids in every school who are mocked relentlessly and are a little bit strange etc. I can think of 2 ppl in my year alone out of about 400 who if they had ready access too guns i wouldnt of been suprised if they just snapped one day.

On January 19 2011 09:06 Ghostcom wrote:1) Did you take a look at the references of the "thing" you linked? You've got to be kidding me...

On January 19 2011 09:06 Ghostcom wrote:2) Accounting for stuff that drives people to murder might be relevant wouldn't you think - and now we are at it, increase in population size might also have something to do with a rise in crimes...

3) Using suicides as a measure of how effective banning guns are is pretty retarded. I happen to work at a psychiatric emergency department - Shooting yourself isn't a very popular method in the first place. Throwing yourself in front of a train/off a tall building, pills, asphyxiation, hanging - those are the big ones if you want to talk about the ways people do it succesfully.

On a related note when it comes to relevance, did you know that approximately 50% of all humans who have ever lived on the earth happens to live today? That means that the risk of dying is only 50%!!!!!!!!

Honestly, I'm not very pro guncontrol, and I would love to see a proper debate, but using "something" like that which you just linked is pretty useless...

On January 19 2011 09:10 Jombozeus wrote:
China has a strictly no guns allowed policy, even within the police force (of which have non-lethal guns). Only the armed police and military.
Gun death is literally 0.

It works, you've just never tried it.

Facts are facts herp.

On January 19 2011 09:11 Cambium wrote:
I'm not saying these studies are conclusive, but there are lots of studies that show the opposite of what you claim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime#Studies_Against

"Facts" are simply numbers, and they can be used in any way they want. Also, your article cites gunowners.org, and that article cites various dubious sources.

On January 19 2011 09:43 BlackJack wrote:
Care to formulate an argument on your own or are you just going to link to an idiotic website and act like you've proven a point?

Pretty funny stuff btw..

"Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low."(5) "

Yep, an obscure headline in a newspaper does say it ALL.

"The United States has experienced far fewer TOTAL MURDERS than Europe does over the last 70 years. In trying to claim that gun-free Europe is more peaceful than America, gun control advocates routinely ignore the overwhelming number of murders that have been committed in Europe. "

Lol best argument against gun control ever. "Omg 70 years ago there was world war 2 and a lot of people were murdered so that is why we shouldn't have gun control." Too funny..

On January 19 2011 09:10 Jombozeus wrote:


China has a strictly no guns allowed policy, even within the police force (of which have non-lethal guns). Only the armed police and military.
Gun death is literally 0.

It works, you've just never tried it.

Facts are facts herp.

On January 19 2011 05:10 travis wrote:


then how did it shoot 3 people? lol

On January 19 2011 05:12 LazyMacro wrote:
Oh for fuck's sake, get the fuck out. Don't start the fucking obligatory gun control debate. It'll get the thread closed.

On January 19 2011 09:45 reg wrote:


If you had taken a moment to look at the sources listed in the study you would know that they were compiled from several news organizations and government agencies.





In response to number two. Yes, pressures to murder should be accounted for and yes, an increase in the general population would lead to an increase in the total number of crimes committed. It would not lead to an increased percentage of murder. There are many factors that account for why people murder but one thing is clear: less gun regulation leads to less gun related crime.

I'm very surprised at the comments I've received but none more so than yours. You really took a lot of time to say nothing and, in the end, attempt to belittle the argument with a red herring. Once you properly understand how to behave in a discussion I'll be happy to talk you. Until then, please leave me alone. I don't have the time.

On January 19 2011 07:58 bluefuzz wrote:


So we are assuming that he has a modern firearm? As far as I know we still don't know what type of weapon it was, could have been a WWII Sten, which is known for accidental discharge when it is dropped. And although I doubt it, a long rifle, which most do not have a drop safety.

"Accidental discharges not involving trigger-pull can also occur if the firearm is mechanically unsound: poor maintenance, abuse, inept "gunsmithing," or the use of substandard materials or defective ammunition in the gun may all lead to breakage."

Old dirty gun not taken care of from grandpas old stuff in the attic? Until they tell us more, we are kinda stuck on the AD part of it.

3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States:

5. Fact: Many nations with stricter gun control laws have violence rates that are equal to, or greater than, that of the United States. Consider the following rates:

On January 19 2011 09:10 Jombozeus wrote:


China has a strictly no guns allowed policy, even within the police force (of which have non-lethal guns). Only the armed police and military.
Gun death is literally 0.

It works, you've just never tried it.

Facts are facts herp.

On January 19 2011 05:31 GeneralStan wrote:


556 rounds are very small projectiles, which combined with the incredible muzzle velocity of an M16 causes them to penetrate very well for a rifle round

On January 19 2011 06:20 Irave wrote:
It is fairly easy to speculate that the accidental discharge seems like a stretch, it is entirely possible. Many guns on the market now have trigger pulls as low as three pounds. The bag with the gun hits the floor, anything even grazes the trigger its going off.

However the focus of this even should be thoughts of everyone affected recovering. So far as it sounds, its turning out that way.

On January 19 2011 06:59 Haemonculus wrote:

But no one person is able to kill 33 or however many died at VT with a knife.

On January 19 2011 07:31 Perkins1752 wrote:

Sorry i have to quote this. One of the smartest things i have read so far. But why would you stop here? How about legalizing nukes, eh? I mean at some point, it just doesn't matter. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to make fun of you. I completely agree, as long as there are malicious souls, why bother to restrict the amount of carnage they can cause. I mean at the end, its all the will of god, right?

On January 19 2011 09:43 BlackJack wrote:

"The United States has experienced far fewer TOTAL MURDERS than Europe does over the last 70 years. In trying to claim that gun-free Europe is more peaceful than America, gun control advocates routinely ignore the overwhelming number of murders that have been committed in Europe. "

Lol best argument against gun control ever. "Omg 70 years ago there was world war 2 and a lot of people were murdered so that is why we shouldn't have gun control." Too funny..

On January 19 2011 09:10 Jombozeus wrote:


China has a strictly no guns allowed policy, even within the police force (of which have non-lethal guns). Only the armed police and military.
Gun death is literally 0.

It works, you've just never tried it.

Facts are facts herp.

On January 19 2011 05:10 Sufficiency wrote:
US needs tougher gun law. Seriously.

Then again, this is a historical problem which is unlikely to get changed any time soon.

On January 19 2011 16:45 Fiercegore wrote:
Using something like a school shooting is a cheap way to promote a political position.

On January 19 2011 12:19 jalstar wrote:


Mexico has more gun crime than we do, yet they also have a strict no guns allowed policy.

Facts, herp, etc.

On January 19 2011 12:14 dogabutila wrote:



Uh, many guns on the market don't have 3lb trigger pulls. I don't know of any guns that come stock with a 3.0lb trigger pull, let alone many.

Glocks are the most popular handgun purchased, and they have a 5.5lb trigger pull. 1911's generally come with a 4.5lb trigger, but another 1-1.5lb are required to disengage the grip safety.
Sig 226/9 have a DA/SA trigger, and have a 10lb trigger DA with a 4.4lb SA. Other DA/SA guns such as USP's and M9(2)'s have similar weights.

On January 19 2011 07:11 dapanman wrote:


Moreover, people can get illegal guns. What makes you think they can't get illegal guns? I'd be willing to bet that high schooler didn't own that gun legally.




I find it comical that you made this post considering your displayed country, since regardless of gun law differences (I wouldn't know what the gun laws are in your country) Lithuania consistently has a higher homicide rate than the United States the United Kingdom and France combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#2000s
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0301.pdf

On January 19 2011 10:44 VoiceOfDecember wrote:
I've never held a gun in my life, and even though I drool over them in pictures and whatnot, because for some reason guns are fucking awesome in theory. But I would never ever have any practical use for one, ever. I don't know why people believe they need one? Maybe because other people have them? I bet most of the people who have a gun will never use it as intended.

And for arguements sake if I had a gun to protect me and my family in my home and someone came into my house and started stealing shit. I pulled my gun on him/her and they pulled theirs on me? I'd fucking drop my gun, help him/her load up all my shit and pat 'em on the ass on the way out. No way I'd risk my own life. I'm not shooting anyone. I couldn't live with myself if I took another life, even if it was in defence. And if this guy robbing me was gonna shoot me anyway, gun or no gun? No point in me having it in the first place. Home and contents insuance will cover me. And that's an upgrade of everything that was stolen. If it was sentimental shit, that sucks, but if I'm not alive to appreciate it then whats the point.

On January 19 2011 08:54 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:



I would love to know what your definition of "fact" is

The CCN url says three students and the article says 2 students, as well as saying that the gun fell down on the grass and shot one student in the face and one in the neck, i wonder how that works.

Guns are not magic. It is far easier to hurt somebody seriously with a knife then a gun in contact distance given the same amount of familiarity with each. Within arms reach, you should definitely wish to be faced with a gun instead of a knife.


Firearms are not the cause of mass killings; they would happen regardless. Firearms do not necessarily make these incidents more deadly; they tend to have more wounded and less dead.


Don't blame firearms for what people do.

Do you seriously think the problem lies in taking away the rights of people to carry arms? If I wanted to kill someone, I don't need a gun.

And wouldn't conventional wisdom should tell us that more people carrying guns (or other forms of self-defense) means less crazy people would attempt to shoot other people.

On January 19 2011 21:26 LunarC wrote:
Those that can obtain firearms will obtain firearms anyway, legally or otherwise. Ideally, possession of firearms should be made illegal so that the common citizen can no longer legally possess a firearm. Thus you minimize the potential for stupid shit like this ever happening. You also have an overall decrease in relative threat. There is absolutely nothing that can legally be done about smuggling and the black market since those systems persist outside of the legal system anyway.

On January 19 2011 04:45 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:
I like how people make a big deal about it when it happens in a school out of the ghetto.

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