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wwJd)El_Mojjo
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden173 Posts
January 05 2011 02:23 GMT
#21
I don't know, but maybe this is some consolation for you. I have a brother who is 38 years old. He has been working to support his wife and three kids for many years now. But 5 years ago he started to study again. In just a little while he will be a doctor.
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SecondChance
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia603 Posts
January 05 2011 02:23 GMT
#22
No, why would you think university is a necessity to be successful? You don't need a degree to be entrepreneurial.

Theres plenty of avenues in life. Apprenticeships / etc. Personally I'm glad that I'm not some poor student who struggles financially. I was relieved to leave school; I had no desire to return for another 4 at Uni.

What I'm doing now will give me more qualifications, more life experience, more travelling, more money and live comfortably during the process then I would if I chose to go to Uni.

University is not the be all and end all. That being said, just do what is best for you; which may well be University.

GL.
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teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
January 05 2011 02:36 GMT
#23
This is a meaningless question. What's much more important is "what do you want to do with your life"? If the answer is something like doctor, engineer, lawyer, banker, scientist, etc., it's impossible without a college education. Find out what you want to do, and find out what kind of education/experience you need to get there. Don't just consider short term; think about the next 5, 10, and even 20 years of your life. Beyond providing academic education, higher education also allows your discover yourself and realize what you're good at.

As for money, you should consider financial aid and scholarships. You can also have a part-time or even full-time job while going to school.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
January 05 2011 02:40 GMT
#24
In order to make money.. EQ > IQ.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 02:41:59
January 05 2011 02:41 GMT
#25
Maybe I'm blind but where's the option for 'attended'. EDIT: Is that what "No, currently" is for?

In my (limited) experience, a good work ethic (not complicated, just get things done, and done well) will get you far regardless of if you went to university or not.

If you went to university, this would be reflected in your performance at uni, and you'll probably leave, get a decent job or w/e you plan to do after uni (maybe self-employment?).

If you didn't go to university then I've got many friends who are testament to not having a degree and living 'successful' lives. Common factor for them is they work hard and apply themselves to whatever task they take on.

I wouldn't really worry too much about it if you are forced to be unable to go. I mean, if it's the case that you're simply not able to go, there's no point stressing about what it could have been because it's not going to change what happened.

And after all of that, there's nothing stopping you doing uni later on in life, some people even take the route of starting a career, and having w/e company you're working for pay for you to study down the track.
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SayfT
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia298 Posts
January 05 2011 02:41 GMT
#26
Not sure yet, as of right now I am at uni doing a math/computing degree and i hate it (math part) to a point where i failed most of my math subjects (passed all computer subjetcs though), yet they won't let me transfer to a computer degree (which i did 90% of the subjects in already).

So I dunno, most likely I will be either kicked out of uni or finish a degree with shitty marks.

So my option is: Not sure
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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
January 05 2011 02:42 GMT
#27
i'm going to give a cop out answer and say it depends how you define success. you dont need a degree to keep your family from starving. you dont need a degree to own a house. but chances are you'll want to get yourself a degree if you want to live in a nice neighbor with good schools.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
January 05 2011 02:42 GMT
#28
On January 05 2011 11:36 teh leet newb wrote:
You can also have a ... full-time job while going to school.


Not very successfully, you can't.
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teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
January 05 2011 02:44 GMT
#29
On January 05 2011 11:42 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 11:36 teh leet newb wrote:
You can also have a ... full-time job while going to school.


Not very successfully, you can't.


Think about how much time you dedicate to extracurriculars and just wasting time. At least 25 hours/week I'd say. Cut in on some sleep and you're set. If I-Bankers can work 80-100 hours a week, you can probably push yourself through a full-time job and school if you try hard enough.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
SharkSpider
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada606 Posts
January 05 2011 02:45 GMT
#30
Im going but its not necessary. I know a stone mason who brings in six figures, nothing but some tradeschool there.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
January 05 2011 02:46 GMT
#31
It's not a necessity, and I think it's kind of bad in a way that it's seen as being SO needed. Of course receiving an education is good, but the type of education you get taking 4 (or more) years of classes at a university is only one type of education.

I also think it's dumb that some jobs require a college degree even if that degree might have nothing to do with the job. Anyone can receive a diploma...
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 05 2011 02:46 GMT
#32
I think where you live is also a factor.
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teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
January 05 2011 02:50 GMT
#33
Most times, the things you learn will not be able to be directly applied to any job you're doing. Ex: many people can be taught to program in Java, C, w/e for a job. But not many people can survive a rigorous university education with a deep computer science curriculum. Employers will obviously want to recruit candidates who have proven that they can learn quickly and deliver results.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
AppLeCheesE
Profile Joined January 2011
33 Posts
January 05 2011 02:52 GMT
#34
I think it is more so determined by what you want out of life, if you're comfortable with the necessaries, then why have more?

You seem to want to support your family, so I think you should stay in University and make many sacrifices to accommodate your loved ones. In the long run, the university education will pay off; the benefits might not be seen within 10 or more years, but you'll be able to live a great life one day.

Can I ask if this is a child being born? If so have you considered whether or no you were actually ready for the responsibility?
Stereotype
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States136 Posts
January 05 2011 03:02 GMT
#35
It's absolutely not a necessity.

I dated a guy for two months who was making $130k/year by working for the oil company here in Pennsylvania, and he only had a GED, which he earned at 23 which he earned after dropping out of high school to work and support his family.

While this example is, obviously, incredibly situational, it serves to show that you need neither a university diploma to get a nice paying job, nor is your educational career done if you can't finish your formal education right now.

Hell, I'm 25 and working on my Physician Assistant degree after having dropped out of school for 4 years. Just try your best and keep an eye out knowing that you can always pick up your education later.
Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. -- John Lennon
GT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)141 Posts
January 05 2011 03:07 GMT
#36
it helps obviously, it really isnt a requirement or even a guarantee that youll get a job. tons of people have a degree and no job right now.
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
January 05 2011 03:08 GMT
#37
On January 05 2011 10:54 us.insurgency wrote:
Degrees are lowering in value as time goes on. Graduating from high school is now worth less than it was 30 years ago. I believe you need a degree of some kind, but from a university is not needed.

Yeah its worth less because more people do it, thus you are nothing special if you do. Now if you don't, it is more detrimental than it was 30 years ago, because you are in the minority.
Degrees are heading in the same direction.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
January 05 2011 03:10 GMT
#38
Remember, you don't have to be young to get a degree. I've seen some old looking people in a few of my classes.
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
January 05 2011 03:12 GMT
#39
I tried writing something but it got too complicated and I'd have to write you a novel.

My question BACK to you would be are you asking yourself the right question?

From the sounds of things (sorry I haven't quite read the entire thread for detail for your replies) it seems that you just need money. There are plenty of careers (crafts like carpentry, electrician, plumbing) that can make you money that don't require a degree.

A degree doesn't guarantee you more money. Not having a degree doesn't guarantee you less money. However, having a degree guarantees you more of a "well defined" and "socially acceptable" route to making more money. Question is, can you afford sh*t pay for 4 years to make better starting wages but not necessarily better overall wages then someone who hasn't gone to uni.

To give you an example. Say you want to be in I.T. You can do two things:

1. Do a computer science degree - in australia this involves finishing the HSC (2 optional years of highschool) and then a 3 year degree. So, in summary you need to do 5 years of study and pay money for a degree to get a good starting wage. You starting wage will probabbly be somethign along the lines of $600 - $700 a week (figures used for comparison)

2. Do a qualification or certificate at a college or certified institution or an apprenticeship - You'll start on something like $300 a week (comparitive figures) buit chances are that in about 5 years you will get enough promotions and training opportunities to get you to $700 a week if not more.

So, then the question becomes, what's the social stigma when it comes to "not having a degree"? Well, I can only speak from experience and the opinions of people around me -> EXPERIENCE COUNTS, f*ck degrees. As one project manager put it to me "I never hire computer science graduates, I hire based on experience." I was bemused and said "why" to which he replied "because the computer scientist always wants to tell me about how windows is shit and linux is superior and about how he wants to change the world with new programming paradigms. The person with experience just goes in and does the job that I asked".

Does this help? I'm sorry it's a bit disjointed.
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Garnuba
Profile Joined August 2010
24 Posts
January 05 2011 03:13 GMT
#40
You definitely do not a college degree to be successful, or so my friends have convinced me.

While I went the university route, they went to work. Several of them own their own business that they, for the most part, have started up and put a lot of work into them, while other just expanded their family business and took control of the expansions. They are all younger then 25, and make plenty of money to afford a new house and lots of unnecessary crap, granted their all single.

When they first started it was though, but they stuck through it and are now reaping the benefits.
So bottom line, you don't need a college degree, they barely got through High School and are doing good.
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