EPTUniversity A neccesity? - Page 2
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wwJd)El_Mojjo
Sweden173 Posts
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
Theres plenty of avenues in life. Apprenticeships / etc. Personally I'm glad that I'm not some poor student who struggles financially. I was relieved to leave school; I had no desire to return for another 4 at Uni. What I'm doing now will give me more qualifications, more life experience, more travelling, more money and live comfortably during the process then I would if I chose to go to Uni. University is not the be all and end all. That being said, just do what is best for you; which may well be University. GL. | ||
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teh leet newb
United States1999 Posts
As for money, you should consider financial aid and scholarships. You can also have a part-time or even full-time job while going to school. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
In my (limited) experience, a good work ethic (not complicated, just get things done, and done well) will get you far regardless of if you went to university or not. If you went to university, this would be reflected in your performance at uni, and you'll probably leave, get a decent job or w/e you plan to do after uni (maybe self-employment?). If you didn't go to university then I've got many friends who are testament to not having a degree and living 'successful' lives. Common factor for them is they work hard and apply themselves to whatever task they take on. I wouldn't really worry too much about it if you are forced to be unable to go. I mean, if it's the case that you're simply not able to go, there's no point stressing about what it could have been because it's not going to change what happened. And after all of that, there's nothing stopping you doing uni later on in life, some people even take the route of starting a career, and having w/e company you're working for pay for you to study down the track. | ||
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SayfT
Australia298 Posts
So I dunno, most likely I will be either kicked out of uni or finish a degree with shitty marks. So my option is: Not sure | ||
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caelym
United States6430 Posts
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On January 05 2011 11:36 teh leet newb wrote: You can also have a ... full-time job while going to school. Not very successfully, you can't. | ||
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teh leet newb
United States1999 Posts
Think about how much time you dedicate to extracurriculars and just wasting time. At least 25 hours/week I'd say. Cut in on some sleep and you're set. If I-Bankers can work 80-100 hours a week, you can probably push yourself through a full-time job and school if you try hard enough. | ||
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SharkSpider
Canada606 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
I also think it's dumb that some jobs require a college degree even if that degree might have nothing to do with the job. Anyone can receive a diploma... | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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teh leet newb
United States1999 Posts
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AppLeCheesE
33 Posts
You seem to want to support your family, so I think you should stay in University and make many sacrifices to accommodate your loved ones. In the long run, the university education will pay off; the benefits might not be seen within 10 or more years, but you'll be able to live a great life one day. Can I ask if this is a child being born? If so have you considered whether or no you were actually ready for the responsibility? | ||
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Stereotype
United States136 Posts
I dated a guy for two months who was making $130k/year by working for the oil company here in Pennsylvania, and he only had a GED, which he earned at 23 which he earned after dropping out of high school to work and support his family. While this example is, obviously, incredibly situational, it serves to show that you need neither a university diploma to get a nice paying job, nor is your educational career done if you can't finish your formal education right now. Hell, I'm 25 and working on my Physician Assistant degree after having dropped out of school for 4 years. Just try your best and keep an eye out knowing that you can always pick up your education later. | ||
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GT
Korea (South)141 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:54 us.insurgency wrote: Degrees are lowering in value as time goes on. Graduating from high school is now worth less than it was 30 years ago. I believe you need a degree of some kind, but from a university is not needed. Yeah its worth less because more people do it, thus you are nothing special if you do. Now if you don't, it is more detrimental than it was 30 years ago, because you are in the minority. Degrees are heading in the same direction. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
My question BACK to you would be are you asking yourself the right question? From the sounds of things (sorry I haven't quite read the entire thread for detail for your replies) it seems that you just need money. There are plenty of careers (crafts like carpentry, electrician, plumbing) that can make you money that don't require a degree. A degree doesn't guarantee you more money. Not having a degree doesn't guarantee you less money. However, having a degree guarantees you more of a "well defined" and "socially acceptable" route to making more money. Question is, can you afford sh*t pay for 4 years to make better starting wages but not necessarily better overall wages then someone who hasn't gone to uni. To give you an example. Say you want to be in I.T. You can do two things: 1. Do a computer science degree - in australia this involves finishing the HSC (2 optional years of highschool) and then a 3 year degree. So, in summary you need to do 5 years of study and pay money for a degree to get a good starting wage. You starting wage will probabbly be somethign along the lines of $600 - $700 a week (figures used for comparison) 2. Do a qualification or certificate at a college or certified institution or an apprenticeship - You'll start on something like $300 a week (comparitive figures) buit chances are that in about 5 years you will get enough promotions and training opportunities to get you to $700 a week if not more. So, then the question becomes, what's the social stigma when it comes to "not having a degree"? Well, I can only speak from experience and the opinions of people around me -> EXPERIENCE COUNTS, f*ck degrees. As one project manager put it to me "I never hire computer science graduates, I hire based on experience." I was bemused and said "why" to which he replied "because the computer scientist always wants to tell me about how windows is shit and linux is superior and about how he wants to change the world with new programming paradigms. The person with experience just goes in and does the job that I asked". Does this help? I'm sorry it's a bit disjointed. | ||
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Garnuba
24 Posts
While I went the university route, they went to work. Several of them own their own business that they, for the most part, have started up and put a lot of work into them, while other just expanded their family business and took control of the expansions. They are all younger then 25, and make plenty of money to afford a new house and lots of unnecessary crap, granted their all single. When they first started it was though, but they stuck through it and are now reaping the benefits. So bottom line, you don't need a college degree, they barely got through High School and are doing good. | ||
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